All memes aside, South Brazil and Argentina are actually white right?
Or at least whiter than America?
The standards are different. Memes aside, what passes as white in South America is a lot different from what passes as white in the US.
That's not to say there there aren't fully European people down there, but that they don't necessarily occupy a different echelon from those that are just mostly white.
Depends on the state. The state of Santa Catarina was colonized mostly by germans. Rio Grande do Sul and São Paulo mostly by italians. Rio de Janeiro was colonized by portuguese. Paraná was colonized by russians, ukrainians, poles and germans. Its really a mess here. All the other states are portuguese/african mostly.
"White" people from the South of Brazil has on average 25% non-white ancestry.
That's more than enough to be considered white here.
In America if you have 5% black or native american ancestry you're probably eligible for affirmative action.
but the definition of 'white' is loosely defined.
their version of white people are more swarthy
>Rio de Janeiro was colonized by portuguese.
Did they have a ton of Africans, too? I was talking to a Brazilian guy on interpals and he basically said Rio was entirely black and pardo with the exception of a tiny white elite.
The average Black/African American has 25% white ancestry, interestingly enough.
Shut up, this is complete bullshit.
Plenty of DNA studies have been conducted on Brazil, and having 25% of non-euro DNA classifies people as pardo, not white.
Just as an example of how big european influence is here, and how DNA alone is a bad measure, even our blacks have on average 30% european DNA. The black guy in my pic has 67,1% european DNA, for example.
If >>52967532 was right, he would be the typical brazilian white, after all, he has only 30% non-white ancenstry. Not the case, he was just talking out of his ass.
Yes, tons of blacks. The portuguese, africans and indigenous people fuck, and thats what generates the average brazilian you see on tv. That why we call Rio de Janeiro, Rio de JaNEGRO.
Love to see my state in these kind of maps. Pic related is my city.
Blondness map is pretty cool also, it shows how the south of Brazil has even more blondes than southern Europe (something that in my travels I found to be pretty true)
Colonization in Brazil took place in the late 16th century and since the late 18th immigration took over.
Since Brazil never had apartheid laws or something like that, having the biggest African population of the Americas, people just started mixing early on.
Through the years those who managed to breed with whites eventually whitened their genes and phenotype.
It's not entirely impossible for a blue eyed blonde to be like 1~3% black or indigenous.
Also, the rule of thumb for the Latin countries regarding whiteness is like "if you're not entirely black, than you're probably white". It's more a caste, social thing than a genetic one
Hopefully I can convey this idea in a suitable way:
Slavs, jews, light skinned arabs, southern italians, maybe even if the person has one of the parents being black, are considered white. The cause for that is because we separate and treat others based on a simple white/mixed/black/native/asian five-way classification. What the population here might consider white, you might not.
Also, the blacks here have already mixed with mulattos and caucasians, so even if you have a black parent, you might not necessarily be black, also, recent African diaspora is easy to pick apart bevause of their more pronounced racial traits, while our blacks had time to mix their genomes up.
it's a shame we don't have a red hair map
this picture is my city, one of my best friends is in it and posted it on facebook
not sure if i believe this honestly.
20-35% blondes in argentina?
i've seen this map floating around but never saved it due to that fact.
i also know for sure the part of canada i live in has more than 10-20% blonde people (prince edward island)
keep in mind that this is considered blonde here, so there is a definition thing also
the numbers are pretty accurate for my state, I don't know about Argentina and Uruguay
Out of arguments?
that black guy really is 67% european and only 31% african, nearly what you said Brazilian whites are.
you can look up 23andme forums, they have DNA analysis of Brazilians and you can inform yourself better, so next time you don't risk saying anything stupid again.
White people in Brazil are mostly of full or partial Portuguese descent. This means that many people with no African or Native American ancestry look darker than some Arabs.
In fact, most of the white immigration to Brazil that wasn't from Portugal was from Italy, Lebanon, and even Spain. Many Germans and some American Southerners came to Brazil, but only a minority of white Brazilians are northern European.
Argentina is somewhat whiter because of the larger percentage of non-Iberian migration (particularly from Germany) and the fact that Spaniards are generally fairer than the Portuguese, especially up north and along the Mediterranean.
blue is white
green is pardo (mixed)
red is black
yellow is asian
brown is native american
southern brazil has more blacks than mixed, and são paulo has lots of whites and pardos but few blacks
Arabs are in a weird position here. Tons of Arabs (including my grandma) consider themselves to be white, but Arabs as a whole are considered nonwhite by the public.
The census lists Middle Eastern people as white because Middle Eastern Americans sued to the US government for legal whiteness some time in the 1920s.
the thing is,most arabs that came to brazil and the us (at least in the XIX and XX centuries) were religious minorities that were, in average, whiter than most of the arab population
take assad's ethnic group (alawites), despite being syrian they are pretty white and lots have light eyes
I can kinda understand that, though. If you pick a random Middle Easterner, and just look at their face, they're not obviously non-white. Everyone probably just wants to think of them as non-white since their culture and history is so different from that of typical white people (Europeans).
Pic related. All are apparently Arabs, but it's not obvious from just facial structure and skin color for at least half of them.
posting Arab Brazilian cutie
did you guys know there are more Lebanese-Brazilians than lebanese people in Lebanon?
Outside the Old World, it's simply coincidence.
The US and Canada are whiter than Latin America because colonization happened quite differently. Many more families left Britain than left Spain or Portugal, and there wasn't much intermarriage with the Native Americans.
Most colonists to South America or Mexico were single men who married native women. In addition, many more African slaves were brought to Latin America than to the United States.
the problem with latin america (especially brazil) isn't even the amount of african slaves that were brought, since most of them died
almost all slave owners had, besides their official children from their european wives, tons of bastards birthed by african girls
the same thing happened in spanish territories, but you switch africans with native americans
That Brazilian woman who has a kid with Mick Jagger is also arab Brazilian.
>tfw if not for a few accidents of history, the entire MENA region could have been just as civilized and white as Western Europe today
Can you imagine the following?
>Alexander the Great doesn't die young
>consolidates control over Middle East
>Greek culture pumps into the region for generations
>wait a few centuries
>MENA more closely tied to Europe than other parts of world
>Islam never takes off, MENA becomes split between various Christian faiths
spanish were the 3rd biggest group of immigrants, after italian and portuguese
you don't really realize how many there are because lots of spanish surnames (like fernandez and rodriguez) were also used by portuguese and were already common, so they are "hidden" among the population that doesn't descend from recent immigrants
you can almost immediately spot an italian,german,polish or japanese descendant by looking at their surname, you can't do the same for spanish
simply eliminate Islam and that region will improve drasticaly
thats really interesting
although european ancestry doesn't mean much in terms of skin color
pic related, dude is over 90% european
At least Anatolia is Turkish and not Arab.
For all its faults, in general Turkey > Arab countries.
>tfw there will never again be major parts of Western Asia controlled by European peoples
Fucking this. Fuck knows how, though.
because of Portuguese and south Italian colonization, combined with lots of sun, many Brazilians who are 100% european end up with dark skin and identifying as Pardo.
Example of a few Brazilians of 100% european DNA who look dark as fuck, and could easily not identify as white, taken from 23andme.
My surname is Rodrigues. I thought it was just a regular Portuguese surname but my grandfather said it's actually Spanish from his grandfather, who immigrated here and whose surname was originally Rodriguez
If you're over 95% european you'll look pretty much european.
Basically this tests almost never get 100% european.
middle row, top guy
doesn't look like an european to me
On average, Portuguese people have lighter skin than Arabs. But some Arabs are lighter than some Portuguese people.
Look at this pic. Some of the Lebanese people on the bottom look whiter than some of the Portuguese people on top.
1909, not the 20s.
This Lebanese guy said that if Jesus counts as white in America, then so should he.
Actually most of our italian forefathers are north Italians.
North Italy economy was largely based on craftsmen and factories (shoemakers, millers, etc) as opposed to the south, which was more rural. When the 2nd Industrial Revolution took place, people mostly from north immigrated since they gradually lost their jobs to the ore efficient machines.
They all look Indian though
A good test for whiteness is nipple colour, are your nipples brown? You're not white
they need to be pink
And you dick can't be darker than the rest of you
that blonde girl, bottom right, is only 10% european???
how does that even work? I'm pretty sure someone photoshoped the last two genetic profiles, they look swapped.
I'm willing to accept this guy as honorary white, even though he's brown as fuck
Because I like him
Well, thats weird.
But he has black blood so its easy to understand.
He has more "european blood" than some actual europeans.
Its not as simple as this.
They do make sense though.
I know a brazilian with a black grandfather and he is white as fuck with black features like really thick lips.
actually, it is quite common for people to have "weird" complexions when compared to their ancestries
pic related is me when i was a kid, i'm 1/4 black and my grandmother was half lebanese
i'm the author of both of the quoted posts
some dude posted a link in 55chan and i saved screencapped the chart
i don't have the link anymore,sorry.
Maybe their ancestors were already mixed when they arrived here.
Honestly I think Arabs and whites should be considered two parts of one bigger group.
Arabs aren't white, but they're closer to whites than they are to Africans or Indians.
I guess this is what the outdated "Caucasoid Race" proposed?
I posted links.
Being white is not just about your skin actually being white...
He has amerindian traits
>tiny white elite.
This is what the ~white~ elite in Rio looks like. And by all means, not being mostly european doesn't stop us from being the second richest state.
It's the bad light, he's actually pale as fuck
Is Brazil proof that enough racemixing can actually increase the number of white/effectively white people?
I heard that's actually why there's such a large number of pardos in Brazil: back in the day they encouraged racemixing since they assumed the obviously superior European traits would overpower the African/Native ones. W-where they right, /int/?
This girl is 1/4 black and she's still pale as fuck
No, he is not white european ...
Being white is not about how pale you are.
You guys dont understand.
Thats why its so easy to know who is brazilian over here.
This guy probably has more european blood>>52969631
Not white by anglo saxon standarts.
No because they're actually not white...
The authorities thought like you said, but it didn't work.
Take a look at the people from the charts i posted earlier. Some of these people were supposed to look full white but instead they look like an arab who stayed a full month naked on the sahara.
although shit can happen, i look way whiter than my brother, who looks like an average arab
by british standards, that's brown as fuck
pic related is what brits consider white, look at the skull shape, and the distance between the eyes, that's perfection right there
I really agree with you there. I think you're right on the interpretation of that "Caucasoid Race" concept.
Perhaps this is related to the fact that most "Western History" textbooks and courses include the western Middle East (i.e.west of modern Iran-ish) in their topic region.
Honestly, that guy just looks like a slightly tanned white dude to me. 9/10, would assume to be fully white and treat with respect.
Something like that. If they were right or not is more akin to personal opinion imo
Yeah but she's got clear SS African traces, suh as wide nose, soft skin and big lips
Camila Pitanga has not only a black father but a black mother, somehow she looks like this.
Sometimes I wonder how does that happen, but given that blacks in Brazil can sometimes have more european than african blood, it makes a bit of sense.
What I think is weird is the fact that most of those people have less non-European DNA than your average white South African.
Even so they have clearly mixed looks and, geez, I know we all know what's the best way to burn Portuguese and Spaniards in this board but, fuck, they're not THAT mixed looking. There's some shit going on with those tests
both indisputably black, both look like her, somehow, she ends up looking way less african.
Oh man, to think that /fit/ complains about losing the genetic lottery because they ended up less than 6' tall.
Having mostly European heritage but still looking very African seems like such a huge loss on that genetic dice roll.
Basically you're all mixed to the core.
In the future when you're all mixed up some will look white than others, and thats about it...
Its better that way to see if you actually form an ethnic identity.
Well, genetics are pretty crazy. Look at this family. The father is arguably black, but I think both kids could pass as white here in Brazil.
Why do you care ?
Chill. Dont be depressed.
It happens in germany too.
concordo, esses racistas de porão bem que podiam ir pro /pol/
implying your opinions are facts
/int/ has completely ruined my view of the british people as kind and respectful, it feels like there is a 12 year old behind every british flag
they could pass as white but the boy's hair is "suspicious"
knowing that it happens in germany makes me even more depressed
when i saw interracial couples in brazil at least i could think "well, at least this shit doesn't happen in europe", but now it does
e você bem que podia voltar pro reddit. né?
To an American:
>Father - Black
>Mother - White
>Boy - White with tan at first glance, would assume to be Italian/Spanish heritage over long term
>Girl - Same as boy, but hair is distinctly black
My grandparents come from Zermatt in Switzerland, I've been there once, beautiful place.
When I was in Europe people considered me white, don't know about ''int's standards'' though.
And yeah I'm wearing glasses cuz it's the 1st day of the year and I drank a lot yesterday...
>/int/ has completely ruined my view of the british people as kind and respectful,
m8 we are on 4chan...
/int/ on top of that
Are you seriously taking the behavior from the bored and chilled out people who post here as meaninfully representative of a whole country?
The mix in my family is on my mother's side, which is Amerindian, there are no arabs in my family.
Sounds fair, Italy also has an Alpine region.
not sure why you linked that pic to me
there is not even a single country where white population is increasing in significant numbers (the only i can think of is the US and white birthrates are smaller than hispanic ones)
europe has shitty birthrates and in brazil racemixing is rampant and white birthrates are also ridiculous
maybe not extinct, but whites will become a really small minority
I really like this topic because I grew up in a place where race was not important, but then moved to another country where people would judge EVERYONE by their race.
Every since I came back to Brazil I started paying a lot more attention, but if I start to talk about this with people here they will think I'm some kind of white supremacist of sorts, so I only have 4chan.
The thread is about white people in Brazil.
When I was traveling through Germany during my ERS time, most people I met told me they wouldn't think I was from Brazil if I didn't tell them so.
I post a picture so that other people would comment on it, I never claimed to be the standard of whiteness and Aryan germanic genes, I don't know why you're upset.
I went to Groningen (netherlands) to visit a friend
there were 3 brazilians in his building, he, who is a red head, a blonde dude, and a girl who has black hair but fair skin and blue eyes.
I am half portuguese half italian, so when I arrived one random german guy told me "finally a brazilian that fits my expectations!" we all keked.
>I am half portuguese half italian, so when I arrived one random german guy told me "finally a brazilian that fits my expectations!" we all keked.
I've seen somewhat the opposite of this happening to my brother, he has fair green eyes and blonde hair.
When we were in Rio, many people would try speaking English to him thinking he was a foreigner... they'd also try to charge more for services and products , lol.
Groningen is a nice city
Argentina is technically the whitest country in the Americas, however its pretty much all Spanish and Italian genetics...nobody here could claim their nation to be "Nordic" or anything like that. Brazil has a white region in the south but overall its probably the most diversely mixed country in the continent. a black-white-indiginous mix isnt uncommon, and theres a lot of mulattoes, mestizos, and whatever the fuck its called when its a black and native mix.
There are 3 main regions in Rio Grande do Sul state, the borders, where those guys live and people speak with some weird accent and random spanish words while eating meat and drinking mate all the time. The highlands, where it's mostly germans and italians, and they speak with weird accent also. And the Capital and beaches, where I'm from and people are normal and speak masterrace portuguese.
this is purely European "white"
it doesnt include indo-european origins such as anatolian turk (98% anatolian white, 2% central asian turk) and iranians etc. as white
also considers non-indo europeans in europe white such as ugrics
This thread just proves that Brazilians on /int/ are far, far more obsessed over whiteness than argies.
Why are we still a meme?
What percentage of the white Americans have some degree of Native blood? I've read that it's actually a high percentage but since most of the white Americans simply classify themselves as Americans or just give an average Irish + German + English ancestry, those who have Native ancestry simply end up passing by the censuses
Technically is caboclo, but we don't really use that word anymore. Any kind of admixture gets the "pardo" umbrella term.
We aren't, it's just one /pol/ crossposter.
Tem dois tipos de gaúcho na verdade.
Gaúcho como termo coloquial pra quem nasceu no Rio Grande do Sul (Rio Grandense do Sul) e gaúcho como membro da cultura vaqueira gaúcha que também existe no Uruguai, no Paraguai e na Argentina.
Os vaqueiros gaúchos geralmente descendem dos primeiros espanhois e portugueses que foram para o sul e firmaram praça lá, assim como alguns índios.
t. Gaúcho dos dois tipos
90% of this thread is bait.
I was baiting.
My unique obsesion is HAIRY MUSCLE BEARS!
Why the fuck does everyone on this board worry about who's white and who's not. You guys are a bunch of insecure faggy eletist who are have an irrational fear of people who have a darker skin than you. OMG A BLACK MAN I NEED TO GO HOME TO MY MOMMIES BASMANT AND CRY UNCONTROLABLY AS I WAGE A RSCE WAR.
This is how whites in South Brazil look like.
That guy is a famous Brazilian sperglord who went to jail because he posted on a blog about killing black people and feminists. He used to run a Brazilian chan as well. He's pretty much the average Brazilian /pol/tard
They're monkeys too.
out of these situations whole aryanism/nordicism arose
if you dont define the standards on blue eyes and blond hair and pure euro facial structure..... then even arabs are white, and basically almost everything is white
some guy in the comments "why look for girls of Italian and German heritage in Brazil instead of the original countries?"
well, maybe because brazil has 200 million people and 47% of them are white? It's more white people than the whole Germany. The odds of finding a nice model are pretty high there, so why not?
Also, convincing a poor farmer girl to drop her education to become a model is far easier, that's why he looks for them in small towns instead of the big ones.
>well, maybe because brazil has 200 million people and 47% of them are white?
Less than 10% of Brazilians have German ancestry.
The reasons he looks in rural areas is because the chances of being pure German are higher and if they fail to become models they can become high-class escorts because Brazilian businessmen pay lots of money to fuck young pale teenagers.
Alessandra Ambrósio is a fucking mutt like most South Brazilians. The jew in the video explains that he looks for villages where there is Italian and German mixing. Thing is, most Brazilians think Italian means those blue eyed Italians with sharp face.
I've been to Southern Brazil and the racial makeup is basically the same as Medellin or a bunch of cities around central Colombia... and that's not even close to the "whiteness" level of america.
>I've been to Southern Brazil and the racial makeup is basically the same as Medellin or a bunch of cities around central Colombia... and that's not even close to the "whiteness" level of america.
I'm from Porto Alegre and i've traveled to several small town around Rio Grande do Sul state and i've got no idea where this "South Brazil is white" meme came from.
I've started to notice that people who say South Brazil is a white paradise aren't even from here. They simply sugarcoat South Brazil and create this wishful thinking to prove that Brazil is European.