/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

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>>3109366
>that picture

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What's wrong with me?

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How bad is this?
>>3109428

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Can I get some advice on measuring the angles of tilted heads? I keep trying to lay in the features on this woman but unfortunately for me I just can't do it.

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Coloring feels rushed but I think it does its job.

Finished my vagbag

>>3109435
balls and lines

>measuring angles

Oh boy

>>3109434
I like it. But one side has no black spots and the shading is a little off for her neck. Her face looks smushed. I mean the nose really. It might be the shading or width of the nose that's causing that. Love her hair. Overall you did great.

>>3109434
Hair looks like black melted pasta

read this book.

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>>3109435

Eyebrow ridge
Bottom of iris
Base of nose

>>3109444

What the fuck?

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>>3109462
blame my client

>>3109444
There is seriously something wrong you to draw that.

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Am I doing this right

>>3109462
So should I be plotting out the facial features prior to the largest shape, which is her hair?

>>3109445
>Oh boy
Elaborate.

>>3109472
Good job anon, keep it up.

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>>3109446
Yeah I kinda realized that after I posted it. I'm planning to do more tower girls soon, l'll be more careful next time. Thanks for the feedback.
>>3109448
I'll give it a read. Thanks for the link Anon.

>>3109444
Oh boi that's fucked up. I love the idea.

>>3109478
go figure it out or continue to post on 4chan. do what you love more

>>3109493
...I'll be back with a scan of my ""finished art"" by the end of the day.

Can someone explain roughly how perspective functions? I'm thinking that there are actually infinitely many points of perspective and the only question is which one in each dimension is most useful in relation to drawing the desired object? Is that wrong?

>>3109472
yes but don't line up things with the vanishing point. Try to inference yourself the angle of the line otherwise you're just doing a mechanical activity.

>>3109520
Are you trying to say just don't use a ruler?

>>3109526
no, just don't rely on it or you wont really learn anything. Think critically about where the lines should go. Try drawing the boxes in different orientations too

Does anyone else draw portraits as gifts? It's much cheaper, and even if it's not good the person likes it anyway because it's personal and unique.

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>>3109498
>>3109435
I did it. Technically.

>>3109554
Don't feel bad. Wide, toothy smiles are difficult to draw.

>learning drawing
>start learning anatomy
>real human bodies often look alien and uncanny now

Is it just me?

>>3109554
KEYS
E
Y
S

>>3109519
How about you draw what you're trying to describe and I give you a crit

>>3109561
I'll have to think about how to represent it

in the meantime maybe I can explain better. Lets say we take our cube facing us in perspective and then we rotate it and then we extrude it into a wall going to the horizon. Well obviously now its not going towards the vanishing point. So isn't the vanishing point relative to the object being viewed?

>>3109578
Yes, each object has its own in that sense.

Markovian Parallax Denigrate

Grinning Parasite and the host,
clasp the Glass, command a toast.
While the multiverse dangles Our string...
joyous mutilations continue the Spring.

Bounded; so we head for the Coast,
In full pursuit of John Titor's ghost.
Mere fiber-optic ruminations and worse,
Salient failures, but still hunters for the Source.

And so the Fighting endures for the crumbs,
Ballparks, oligarchs, brownstones and slums.
Open spaces blanketed by spectacle & infanticide -
crafted by the Hand, quantitated & calcified.

When the time is nigh to ride & cannot wait,
And barbarians are lining up at the gate.
Just remember we're going full throttle,
on the Everett-Wheeler Model.

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Nobody critted this last time I posted (I also posted in the wrong /beg/ thread like a dumbass), I tried shaping and actual facial features this time.

>>3109611
eyes look very symbol drawn but the main issue is no gesture

>>3109611
How are you so good?

What order should the Loomis books be covered ? After Fun with a Pencil should I stick with Loomis at all ?

>>3109614
Heh... well i practice alot...

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>>3109435

>>3109628
I'd recommend successful drawing, since it covers working in perspective. After that you can tackle them in whatever order you want.

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there is a ninja turtles theater play photo in this dominatrix album

>>3109613
I can't really do eyes well on a small canvas, I know they're more angular but if I do that, it's much harder to keep proportional with the other eye than two curved lines.

>>3109614
I wouldn't consider myself good just yet, I still have a lot to grasp, and I haven't even started on shading. But practice is key. Reference from real life, either by finding the pics here or somewhere else.

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How do I do a proper anatomy/portrait/light study?
Do I just get any random picture of what I want to study and try my best to render it properly? I already read on how I should practice, but the word "study" intimidates me and makes me feel like there's some layer of depth to it.

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>>3109365
fuck. how do u do this

>>3109635
I'd say use less lines cause it makes her look older

>>3109654
I said this before: analyze the photo and render it accordingly. Make sure there is a rhyme and reason to every brushstroke (if there isn't, question yourself)

As long as you learned SOMETHING by the end of it, it wasn't a waste. I can understand what you mean by the word "study" being intimidating. The #1 best way to get over it is to just paint. Or draw. Make sure to incorporate your newfound knowledge into your imaginative pieces or else what are you really studying for? But remember that some concepts take longer to learn and internalize than others so you shouldn't be discouraged if at first something doesn't stick. You'd need to do hundreds of studies just to be proficient in one area.

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>>3109435
Lmao I fucked up so bad. I can't believe I'm so bad after daily practice for months. I'm obviously doing this shit wrong. Oh well.

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how much time have you guys poated in /beg/ ?

when will you stop being a /beg/inner ?

>>3109666
>how much time have you guys poated in /beg/ ?


*how long have you been posting


sorry had a stroke

>>3109666
about a total of 5 months. I haven't improved at all since I'm too lazy to read books and I just draw what I feel like, staying in comfy zone. I'm gonna be a forever /beg/inner since I smoke too much weed and I'll never focus properly.

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>>3109663
Thanks anon.

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doing some gestures?
i need to work on proportions,any crits or advice?

>>3109669
You know this "defeat" attitude is what makes you shit, right?

weed and other non-productive activities bring you nothing.

>>3109673
Yeah I'll just magically change my life and attitude just like that, wave a wand and be a better person.

I'm a shit, gonna stay a shit. I'd change if I could, sorry.

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>>3109666
Since May.
I have gotten a lot of new resources I really needed, and I feel like I have improved a lot despite not practicing as much as I should.
I knew 4chan would have a positive impact in my life, I just knew it.

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>tfw looks good but the eyes are disgusting

Are they? What did I do wrong?

>>3109676
what if I told you I knew at least two people that were probably worse than you but then got their shit together?

Just don't give up yet.

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>>3109678
>>3109666
a year and a half

>>3109676
aaaand another one bites the dust

>>3109680
>>3109666
also I don't know when I'll stop being a beginner. maybe in another 6 months?

>>3109679
I'm objectively terrible. >>3109664 after five months of daily practice. I just don't have the talent for drawing. I have anti-talent. It's just not possible for me.

>>3109666
666 checked. been posting for like a year. I'm in school though and could only really practice this summer.

>>3109687
wtf? Only 5 months of practice? Of course you're still a shit noob

Did you think you would magically be doing nice drawings after 5 months?
keep practicing and stop smoking weed, it makes you retarded.

>>3109688
same. I wish I could change my studies to art. It's too late tho or else I'll still be living with my parents at age 30

How do you shade colored stripes?

>>3109692
>>3107428
It's not magic, but some people look like they are able to.

Fuck noses. How the fuck do they work? God dammit.

who do i persevere through the feeling of wanting to kill myself while rendering

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Pls help. When the shoulder is raised like this where does the collarbone go? Does it just tuck behind the deltoid or something?

>>3109666
Roughly 2 years.

Never.

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>>3109721
The photo

>>3109666
like a year, but i'm improving so it's ok

>>3109723
>>3109738
thats cool and all but why dont you guys post work?

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How's my Loomis?

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>>3109721
i've always fucking wondered this. looked in hampton book and there was only like two drawing's showing it. it looks like the clavicle can move quite a bit

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Week 2. Tried what I've learned so far with Proko and Loomis and apply it to a portrait.

Mistakes I noticed:
She clearly doesn't look asian.
Eyes are a bit too far appart.
I haven't studied ear construction yet, but no excuse.
I have no idea how to connect the head to the neck (yet).

Overall I'm actually feeling happy. I did a lot better than I thought I would. With that said please tell me what else I'm doing wrong, and if possible, how and where can I improve from here.

Any critique helps. Much love.

>>3109758
>>3109435

Reference.

>>3109758
>>3109758
looks like a loli

>>3109743
they all look like they're getting double mouth-fucked by ghosts

>>3109666
Told to fuck off after 2 years

>>3109758
You're obviously not measuring and therefore symbol drawing but its pretty cute

>>3109743
why do they all look like they've got loads of spum in their mouths

>>3109813
they are chewing tobacco

>>3109830
This loomis crap is dumb.

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Whenever I draw loomis heads the actual head is always way too massive for the face and I have to push the ear forward and stuff.
What am I fucking up here?

>>3109842
you aren't correcting anything, the ear you drew looks ridiculous being almost on the cheek and much too small. Fill the 6-9 quarter with the ear like you are supposed to and stop being a retard

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>>3109842

Your proportions aren't right. The jaw is too far back and you're making one big mistake of curving the center line instead of dropping it down from the brow line.

I'm on my laptop but this redline should explain what I mean.

>>3109855
Why do they hold the sword like this?

>>3109858
Steel folded over 1000 times

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>>3109849
Thanks I'll try and keep that in mind. Is this an improvement?

>>3109861
Its better yes. Make sure you understand the proportions and planes, keep drawing them until they look like they should. Use the book as a reference to how it should look.

>>3109868
I keep trying to copy loomis/proko ones but it's not going to well. I'll keep grinding them out though

>>3109871
Try to understand why instead of how.

>>3109435
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>>3109664
Why are you guys drawing portraits from that picture in the beginning? It's a shitty reference because it has no distinctive light source and so is lacking a core shadow on the face. It makes plotting out your big graphic shapes in the beginning very difficult.

Choosing a ref image like that when you are just beginning portraiture you are pretty much trying to play Dragonforce on a guitar hero for the first time..

>>3109552
asking this in a beginner thread sounds like you are not going to get a slice of cake at the birthday party

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>>3109435
heres my attempt. im most likely suffering tunnel vision now

>>3109721
it doesnt go anywhere, the deltoid surrounds the end of the collarbone

>>3109650
You didn't really response about the lack of gesture. Your drawing looked very stiff, go read about it (and the topic has lot's of good videos on youtube).

Are you really looking for critique? You can learn to draw eyes by practicing them a little bit, but the gesture is a broader subject where you need studies and studies. It seems like you just wiped the core of the critique off.

>>3109886
Dragonforce? Now that's what I call pure intensity

>>3109687
How do you start your portrait? Do you construct your head and facial features, or just start drawing what you see? If you don't have consistent method of approaching a portrait, don't expect to get good by just drawing portrait after portrait. You will by time get good with rendering, that might help to hide the fact that you cannot draw the head and the face that wraps around it. First find out how portraiture is done then start practicing it.

Here's a practical example: Jeff goes to gym for five months, three times a week. He finds out on his free time how different exercise moves are done properly, and in which order he should do them. He warms up, does the planned out set and hits the showers. He has methodical approach, and achieves his short term goals (he wants to do these important basic moves first and get good at them and shuffle around with them with variation). He has nice progress in five months.

Then there is Greg. Greg has been in a gym for five months. Greg visits gym three times a week, sometimes even four. He bench presses. He bench presses a lot and goes to gym to bench press. He even has wrong posture when doing it, no one told him how to do it right, but the bar leaves his chest forty times a night, for three times a week. He doesn't really feel the burn in his chest or his shoulders, he just gets tired after doing it, but he is doing the move that someone told him five months ago.

Who do you think makes more progress if the goal is getting in to shape?

>>3109434
Cool brushes, but learn construction, it'll really help.

>>3109645
Thanks for keeping us informed.

>>3109721
You do have arms, right?

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What did I do wrong.

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what to do after doing a bunch of fundamentals boxes? picture related

>>3109721
The muscles bunch up over it. The deltoid is like a cap, that covers the sides and top of the point where the clavicle meets the upper arm. The clavicle can't move much, compared to the scapula - watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXadGuuBhJI
Muscles, however, can change their shape greatly as the bones they're attached to move. The deltoid and other muscles slide over the shoulder joint as it moves. You can see in the photo where it dives under the deltoid.

>>3109758
those eyes are really creeping me out

try reworking the pupils

>>3109914
There's no man.

>>3109890
her right eye seems crooked

>>3109899
Not him but all I do is draw the ball and sideplane to get an idea how its oriented. But I don't construct anything else because I figure that would be unique to the person, no? So I have a rough idea where the cheek bones are in relation to the ball and I go from there.

>>3109916
>I turned myself into a penis time bomb with a blade mohawk Morty
>I dunno about this Rick, don't you think this might be a bit of a daring synthesis?

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>>3109931
Dividing in thirds is a rough estimate that works, and while you are drawing your construction lines softly with the side of your pencil (or digital?) you are not yet committing to any shapes but rather in to these divisions. So you can downplay or exaggerate some features that the person haves, most importantly the shape of the brow ridge. First you do that ball of the cranium, then plot out the jawline.

In case you are not familiar with rule of thirds, it is dividing the face with two lines in to three portions (from hair line to the brow ridge, from brow ridge to the root of your nose ((not the tip, but where it attaches to face, the tip might curve over or point up depending individually)) and from the root of the nose to the tip of the chin. These divisions give you guidelines where to start. You obviously have your center line, so now you can build your brow ridge softly, then move to the big graphic shape of the nose. After nose, you can plot out the eye sockets and placements of the eyes. Everything is done softly and lightly so you don't commit to any particular symbolic shape.You sort of sculpt these facial features imagining the oval mask of the face as molding paste or clay or 3D software block whatever works best for your imagination. The mask of the face wraps over the skull.

It's good that you do the side plane, it helps me a lot personally. I sort of think the three quarters view as a head being a fat block of cheese when I begin, starting to sculpt and round it off

>>3109943
Yeah I know about the thirds but my worry is if I systemize too much I'll just make a generic face instead of the one I'm studying. How would I reconcile the unique aspects of someones face while plotting it out so methodically?

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If I did this with the Loomis head would it be like the ultimate drill in getting gud?

>>3109948
There is awesome tutorial on achieving likeness on NMA by chris legaspi. There is a bit too much information to contain on a 4chan post. Just because you follow constructional approach doesn't really kill off individual features.

See if I do these initial construction lines softly and plot out the graphic block of nose and the rough shape of the brow ridge, at this point I can still downplay and exaggerate some features like if one has long forehead etc. How ever very small adds to the hairline or to the jawline at this point that steers away from the division of thirds, makes huge impact. Just 1cm or 1/3 inches whatever to the hairline or jaw has a lot of impact.

At this point, you haven't at all committed to the shape of the face so you can easily shave off or add a little bit to the chin or forehead.

Of course if we have this very caricaturical person who has this huge nose and no chin at all, we have to adjust a little bit in the beginning naturally.

The key here is the ability to construct the basic proportions and very basic graphic shapes of the face in the beginning, absolutely not committed so you can add and move everything a little, except those basic construction lines. Add to the shape of the face etc. Shape the nose and brow line. You will start achieving a lot more of likeness this way far more consistently than just starting to draw these abstract objects like eyes just where you feel they sit on subjects face.

>>3109952
Probably not.

>>3109952
Yeah, in getting gud with heads sans characteristics that make one person's head different from the other.

>>3109955
Why? I just want an exercise that combines organic forms and internalizing perspective.

>>3109954
and at this point shadow shapes and some value planning works in our favor tremendously, this is why the
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>>3109890
ref picture is not really good. First of all these instagram profile pictures women take use this soft light that downplays all personal features, and there is no core shadow to really show off the shape of the planes and skull.

>>3109952
It would be a good exercise.

>>3109952
Yes you would make /r/ArtFundamentals proud

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well shit
That's enough people drawing for one day. Or week...

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>>3109858
As it turns out, preemptively holding your blade at the perfect height for gouging out your opponent's face is a solid tactic

Do I really need to spend a ton of time drawing from life? How do I go outside and do this without looking like a weirdo

so my care coordinator told me to do art as a way to express myself, I've done two "pieces" so far how do I up my game?

>>3110013
>art as a way to express self
it takes at least 4 years of grinding 6 hours a day to be able to do that. your carer is probably more retarded than you are. go and do some cardio if you want to help yourself, alternately wright poetry or short stories since you already have the low technical requirements for it. also why the fuck do you want to express yourself anway, you should aim to create something aesthetic not just parrot your shitty inner pleb. tldr; kys, also dont have kids.

>>3110013
>care coordinator

It's for the best if you weren't anywhere near this thread. Just focus on enjoying the process of art.

>>3110015
1) I'm not retarded I'm ill
2) I like art though
3) I do do cardio
4) bottling things up isn't healthy, everyone should have an outlet
>>3110016
alright, I'll try youtube or something and will do thanks

>>3110016
>enjoying the process of art
being a beginner artist is constant suffering
>>3110017
let me be honest mate, having another individual who probably doesnt know what the fuck they are doing with their own mind manage yours is definitely an unhealthy thing to do. go and read schopenhauer and nietzsche and see how you think of things then. if you cant manage without constantly attention seeking and desperately grasping at outside validation then you will never be able to get anything meaningful done, let alone sort yourself out.

>>3110019
>let me be honest mate, having another individual who probably doesnt know what the fuck they are doing with their own mind manage yours is definitely an unhealthy thing to do. go and read schopenhauer and nietzsche and see how you think of things then. if you cant manage without constantly attention seeking and desperately grasping at outside validation then you will never be able to get anything meaningful done, let alone sort yourself out.
I don't get your point here, I'm not showing the art to anyone, I only want to improve so it looks better to me - how am I attention seeking? will check out the books though

>>3110022
how is it expressing yourself if you never show them to anyone. is your actual self not enough even thou you never show it to another?

>>3110024
that's just what she told me lad, draw and keep it private or share it it'll be a fun way to express myself

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>>3110024
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>>3110013
Oh come on guys. The care coordinator probably doesn't know a single shit about art and thinks that drawing art will help anon relax. The truth is, unless you are just directionlessly scribbling, doing art is probably more stressful than doing nothing. When I want to unwind I watch an anime or read some books. When I do art I focus all my attention on what I'm doing, because what I want to do is improve, not shit about for years without improving.

Whether or not art will help you relax is dependent on what kind of personality you have. If you are the type of person who can't stand seeing everyone else (and younger than you) draw better than you despite the fact that you sunk thousands of hours into it art isn't a good way to unwind.

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>>3109891
I didn't mean to imply that I was ignoring that part, my bad. I can do more dynamic bodies, that one was intended to be more of a self-reference, since it's an OC and I don't trust myself to remember clothing details. That's why her hand is hidden behind her back (normally a big no-no for me, looks amateurish because it makes it seem like I can't draw hands), but it could use some loosening up.

>>3110060
Look at those hands, no gesture at all. Never draw the center lines straight always curve, either S or ( type of curves

>>3110067
Do you mean using the line as the base for the arms/legs/etc.? I've tried doing that recently, it's worked out OK.

>>3110075
yes, the center line. Look up Vilppu figure drawing videos from youtube, they are pure gold in a canned form

>>3110079
center lines***

>>3110013
Depends what you want to do.
I think watercolor landscapes can be relaxing because its so lose and you don't have to control it completely.
There is plenty of demonstrations of them on youtube as well.
Everyone here will just guide you to being a concept artists.

Can I start with a tablet?

>tfw when come back to /beg/ and see the new sticky and books

Holy shit. There really isn't any excuse to not to git gud now guys.

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>>3110079
Would this be better?

>>3110130
not really, you don't really get the concept of gesture. Did you go see the vilppu videos?

>>3110131
I just looked now, I forgot what I've heard those as but not as center lines. It seems more like a drawing tablet thing than on-paper thing, a lot of steps to erase and a lot of mess.

>>3110138
That is really wrong. Gesture is really essential to capturing energy and dynamics on paper. Nothing in drawing (note I'm using the word drawing rather than sketching or doodling) is medium bound. If you are worried about erasing some center lines (I mean you have some yourself according to your drawings) you have probably wrong drawing technique, you shouldn't start the drawing hard and scratching the paper, but rather doing softly and lightly with the side of your pencil.

The advantages to drawing gesture and finding those dynamic poses in the figure drawing over just drawing contour (sort of copying the silhouette you see) are so massive that erasing few lines here and there (not even entirely, some you can use when rendering later) is nothing. Drawing takes time, you need patience.

So what beginner book is recommened for improving on faces and heads? Other than loomis since I already did that.

>>3110139
But based on the videos I checked out, you start with the center lines, then make a general shape using lines that branch out, then circle those to get a sense of what's in front of what, then box those to give them a sense of direction. It seems like something you'd do on paper expressly to practice gestures and not a full piece.

>>3110145
Reference photos and practice Loomis.

>>3110152
>Reference photos and practice Loomis.

I hate using Loomis for heads since circles aren't great indicator's for heads, since they look more like boxes. It's the reason I don't want to practice Loomis anymore and would much rather do something like Vipplu or Bridgeman.

>>3110145 don't listen to the idiots itt. Draw from life whenever you can. Drawing exclusively from photos is a mistake during early stages of development.

>>3110152
>>3110154
Ignore me, I mean't fun with a pencil. The head and the hands book should do just fine.

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Posted in another thread but his is probably better. Have some random doodles, want to get better. Shading was trash so I redid it, have mostly random crap done with colored pens and shit but I have one or two done in an actual sketchbook

>>3110158
Work on your lines, pretty bad chicken scratching in some places.

>>3110145
hampton and literally just draw your left hand

>>3110156
So what's so different between drawing from life and drawing from photos that makes one so better than the other? Also, won't drawing from life fuck up your perspective? I guess it's not a problem with faces, but I've never seen this issue addressed anywhere: when, for example, you're drawing a figure from life, you look at the head and then it's one perspective, but then you move your eyes to the feet and it's another perspective. So you're drawing the feet and the head in different perspectives.

>>3109444
Why...

>>3110166
The whole point is to train your eye in 3-dimensional thinking instead of symbol drawing from a photo due to it being static.

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>>3110159
Probably the number 1 thing I have to work on, it was intentional up until recently, I just liked scratchy looking doodles
Pic related I guess

>>3110169
Um, I can think in 3d looking at a photo, it's not a big deal, and overcoming symbol drawing has nothing to do with it, you can draw with symbols from life, or without them from a photo. Also, what about the second part of my post? Do any books or courses at least mention this?

>>3110172
>Um, I can think in 3d looking at a photo

You can but some people get into the bad habit of thinking in symbols rather 3-d when drawing/painting from a photo. When you do it from real life you're forced to deal with it whether you like it or not.

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Crit pls

>>3110152
Well.. You don't exactly have to copy his entire workflow, just replace your stick model you drew with those dynamic gesture lines. If you start circling and containing them (which is a good method) but decide you want to jump straight to contour.. Go ahead. The gesture is still there on those lines, you just have to be careful to follow those lines and think about the volume and the form ahead rather than just draw a block of meat what you think in your head calves or a thigh looks like.


>>3110145
>>3110154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg This is 3 hours of pure gold. Perfect lecture on head construction.

>>3110166
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qixVpmeoLY4 This guy is hilarious and exclusively does en plein air. I draw a lot from photographs but no - drawing from life doesn't fuck up your perspective. Also, you get more the sense of depth in real life and don't have to worry about lens distortion

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any tips for drawing male? its pretty difficult

>>3110199
see
>>3110079
>>3110139

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>>3110158
>>3110170
More if proof be needed. Also can't do hands, obviously

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>>3110201

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>>3110202

>>3110201
>>3110202
>>3110203
https://youtu.be/pa_2rL1K1mg?t=12s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

These are quite heavy stuff, you probably want to do some basic practice of pencil drawing technique first as you haven't probably drawn a lot before. There are lot's of tutorials out there for the basics and fundamentals of drawing. Figure out what's the first thing you want to learn, is it figure drawing (that leads to character design and development) or portraiture (might lead you to painting or fine art etc.) or composition and perspective (leads to interiors concept art, painting of cities etc) and pick up that first. Of course in the long run you have to learn all of this.

>>3110038
>he can't draw to relax
ngmi

>>3110019
>oh, you're in an unfortunate situation due to illness and your life is kinda shitty?
>go read things that will destroy your psyche and crush your soul
>don't bother trying to learn a skill or be productive, that's a waste of time

Jesus anon, try to be more positive.

>>3110208
I've been drawing for a while but it used to be a lot more edgy doodles (Literally and metaphorically) whereas I'm actually trying to get BETTER now.
Anyway thanks for the resources anon. Seen them about but it's always good to get something personally recommended

>>3110208
Where would one start for tattoo design?

>>3110191
>Head cosntruction.
>Not loomis.

>>3110226
I have no deep knowledge of tattoo art but my friend is one and he draws a lot of these black and white charcoal value studies. Probably because most of "realistic" tattoos (like beautiful women etc) are done with black ink, and the colorful ones tend to be more graphic by design. I'd pick up figure drawing and portraiture both and work with graphite and charcoal if I was to start practicing tattoo making.

>>3110239
Good enough starting place for me anon! Cheers

>>3110237
I really don't like Loomis even tho it's a curse word over here. I always liked more of the Steve Huston method. There are lot's of people here offering beginners to go for Loomis, so I try to point out there is more resources than that.

>>3110226
dont

>>3110221
>try to be more positive
sounds like you need a dose of the old schopey too

>>3110250
HOHO HE HAS THE WIT

>>3109671
Tuck his belly

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i tried dammit _(:3｣∠)_

>>3110268
In some way your drawing is more cute than she is. Just who is she though?

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first time coloring in photoshop anyone know whats wrong with it, looks flat maybe? need to make that booty pop plz

>>3110268
Values are off. Lazy but bretty gud.

>>3110276
Try a needle.

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>>3110276
Like so?

>>3110285
very nice thanks man

>>3110270
Not sure who she is but I found her by googling こみつじょう and decided I wanted to do a study of her
>>3110277
Thanks anon I promise I'll try getting the right values next time

>>3110293
>こみつじょう
Nice

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Im trying draw from forms here and i dont think im quite getting it. Are my values just shit? Or am I missing something?

>>3110313
Your values are shit, there should be more of a range from 1 to 9. Also you need to improve your line weight instead of doing bold lines.

>>3110315
Thanks buddy will do.

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How would I go about making the facial structure less MILF-like (besides changing the hair, which I'll likely have to do.)

And are the legs too small? Looking at the picture they look slightly short.

>>3110336
I think the reason it looks like a MILF is because of the Thicc ass

>>3110005
lol you definitely captured the contempt she would have at seeing your attempt at portraiture

>>3110336
its the earring and the hair style desu senpai

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>>3110336
make the head bigger.

>>3110005
>try using construction on this one
>doing decent, looks human
>look again
>everything is fucking tilted down

Can I kill myself now please?

>>3110407
Why do that when you can try again and have it fixed?

>>3110410
I'm trying but I lost my flow and now I know I'm gonna make it even worse

>>3110417
Flow comes and goes, and besides you can't know until you've already finished it. Keep at it, anon, you can do it!

>>3110410
because life is a record of disutility ever looming toward death and inevitably undoing all of the achievements of life anyway desu senpai

>>3110425
Not him and am shit, but you don't want to die leaving mediocre art do you?

>>3110425
But you can't undo achievements kouhai, once you've achieved them, they're achieved forever even after death.

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>>3110422
Well thanks for the encouragement. I tried again. Looks a bit worse this time though. Oh well.

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>>3110430
>implying

>>3110449
Looks better honestly.

>>3110465
That was my first post tho. I erased the first attempt

>>3110467
familiarity breeds contempt. You stopped measuring and started symbol drawing

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>>3110313
Hows this? A step in the right direction?

>>3110481
Yeah, step in the right direction. You could add in better transitions to round out your forms. It's really clean cut where the shadows are, but it should have a soft edge.

>>3110480
literally wtf with the nipple

>>3110480
there are a couple things good about this but it is as a whole very very unsettling

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Self portrait

I have been drawing for way over a decade with no improvement.

>>3110507
Looks like you draw too small and symbol draw. Read the sticky.

>>3110507
Elliot... easy on the starbucks lattes

>>3110491
>volcanonipple
Wew. I've been tunneling hard not to think that looked wrong till now.

>>3109365
>If you’re still having difficulty, you can try the grid method: draw a grid over what you want to draw and replicate it on the drawing surface. However, I really want to stretch that this will inhibit learning. Don’t do it more than 3 times in your life or you will never be a successful artist.
Wow sticky wow much wow

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guys, is this pretty good?

>>3110407
start with the cranium and then sketch all of the angles for the face and other parts from there

keep flicking back to the reference, even turn them upside down to make sure you're not unconsciously "correcting" the angles to be "upright", it's a major issue with beginners to mistranslate angles because we're not used to thinking about flow and balance in the figure

>>3110430
until the inevitable nuclear holocaust or if we somehow avoid it, until the medium degrades, or if you use a solid state media until when the earth gets absorbed into the sun billions of years from now

>>3110532
umm, that depends on if your reference is a 13 year old eskimo

>>3110480
her hips are dislocated from their sockets in addition to that benevolent chest tumor

>>3110511
You're a fucking troll

>>3110508

It is easy to say to avoid symbol drawing, but is not easy to tell how.

>>3110554
You fucking memer

>>3110507
>I have been drawing for way over a decade
Not regularly. You haven't even drawn every day or every week or every month for the past 10 years. You might doodle from time to time but you know nothing and don't have a real passion for drawing. How can I tell? Because otherwise you'd at least have an understanding of form.

>With no improvement
Because you've never tried to improve. Read the original sticky, do the Igor Stravinsky exercise, then read the google doc sticky.

Also no chicken scratch and don't draw from your wrist when you're starting out because 1) You won't learn to draw proper lines; and 2) You'll develop carpal tunnel if you actually start drawing for 3+ hours a day from the wrist.

>>3110560
It's actually really easy to say how.

"Draw what you see, not what you think you see." Sounds like some Jedi-ass shit but it's completely straightforward.

>>3110597
>muh carpal tunnel

what a fucking meme. I've shitpost and played vidya at a stretch longer than that

>>3110015
Feel better, keyboard bully?

>>3110019
>being a beginner artist is constant suffering
Nonsense.

I still don't know how to draw gesture without contour

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>>3109943

no it's like this you see

>>3110671
It's like drawing the skeleton but without drawing each bone.

>>3110015
>low technical requirements to write well

/lit/ would like a word

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ayo 1 sketchbook down, fuck me up

>>3110627
drawing from the wrist will give you carpal tunnel much faster than keyboards or game controllers because the wrist is in constant motion around its entire pivot

constant typing would more often result in RSI than carpal tunnel, which is basically just muscle fatigue or tearing and that heals over time

you should avoid drawing from the wrist anyways because elbow and shoulder give more fluid lines, though if you use a tablet you'll still use the wrist a lot

>>3110676
Anyone who's read a decent amount of novels can write passable prose (I doubt he's talking Joyce-level shit). It requires far more practice to create passable illustrations.

>>3110702
I don't get it anon, why don't you go full detail?

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Real lips are really hard, no wonder why Anime and cartoons ditch them out!

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>>3110364
I wouldn't give the thicc up ever.

>>3110372
>>3110377
This worked, thanks.

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>>3107596
Rendering is kicking my ass

>>3110714
on less moe characters they dont, and they leave in the shape on the profile

>>3110480

bad taste

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If I need the length of an object to be X amount of times the height of an object, how would I figure that out in perspective?

>>3110757

You make one length unit, decide what's its length and multiply it accordingly using the scott robertson's plane multiplication method.

>>3110701
[Dunning Krueger intesifies]

>>3110715
that defnitely looks like a MYLF dude

>>3110712
Cause those are quick studies?

>>3110765
Okay? Doesn't really answer my question.

>>3110759
Does he have a specific video for it?

>>3110769
or is it from his book?

>>3110766
i assume he just wants to get values kinda right and move on so he doesnt waste time

>>3110769

If you can get a hold of his video, then get it. Otherwise the book is pretty straightforward with it. Imagine starting with a box in perspective, you say it's 5m long, so you take the bottom plane and multiply it towards the vanishing point. It's really easy once you learn it, I thought you'd knew it already since you were drawing airplanes and scott robertson has a fetish for vehicles. You'll love his book if you haven't checkd it out yet.

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I cant stop holding my pencil like an ape. HALP

>>3110789
oh
dont

>>3110778
I'll have to check it out. Thanks.

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Is this gesture

>>3110804
no, that's contour.

>>3110792
well its not that bad but my thumb always starts gravitating until its resting against my index and my middle finger just has everything leaning on it..

>>3110761
I said passable, and I never said anything about my own writing skills.

A lot of famous authors were outsiders when it came to literature and just wrote about their own lives or had overactive imaginations. If the content is good then prose doesn't matter as much.

In visual arts, the level of quality of content is tied to your skill.

>>3110807
Looks like I'll never understand

>>3110789
doesnt matter how you hold it as long as you keep your hand off the surface and only use the wrist for fine detail

you'll come to find different grips work better for certain tasks as you experiment more anyways

>>3110813
Nigger, follow CIS. Only use C shapes, curved lines, and S shapes to capture the motion of the figure. You're capturing the form, you need to visualize the weight and make your lines flow to demonstrate how the figure is moving.

>>3110813
If that's your first reaction ("Looks like I'll never understand") to being told you are not doing it right, then please give up now.

>>3110804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y

https://www.amazon.com/Figure-Drawing-All-Its-Worth/dp/0857680986

>>3110825
I hate this video because I've already watched it 6 or 7 times

>>3110826
took me like 2 semesters of figure drawing class to finally actual be decent at it.

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>have a youtube channel with 300k subs and 500k views weekly
>it's a gaming channel
>tfw just realized I can shill my budding art career there by drawing game art and doing stuff with it like selling t-shirts or asking for a patreon on my video etc.

hmm

>>3110764
It looks like that in the picture, but to me, looking directly at the paper, it doesn't.

>>3110814
>doesnt matter how you hold it as long as you keep your hand off the surface

What

How are you supposed to balance it then? I'd say my pinky and outer palm is always touching the surface

>>3110831

link us ya fag

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Currently trying the volume stuff Hampton teaches.
What's a good way to practice and get comfortable with this?
Should I try to draw random outlines of ribcages and pelvis, and then try to implement volume?
Or do you think doing some gesture drawings, and then applying volume on top would be better practice?

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i cant draw faces without resorting to copying the two dimensional lines

>>3110869
try to translate references of figures into the simple forms without drawing the outline first.
Blocking in the body like this is the first step to gesture drawings. I think hampton even describes a process to start gestures in the book.

Also be sure to do many ribcages and pelvis pairs from imagination to help yourself visualize it.

Loomis is cool for learning proportions and all but how the fuck do I draw the face's features? He just assumes you know how to already.

>>3110889
Yep! I've watched Hampton's first video and been translating references to gesture drawings. My gesture drawings aren't that great yet, but honestly been so much easier understanding and drawing the body rather than trying to drawing the outline of the reference.

I watched the second video, and read the next parts with volume and bone structure, and I was a bit lost and kinda just wanted to know an ideal way to practice it.
Thanks though! I'll keep on practicing gestures, and practice some ribcage/pelvis pairs.

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>>3110891
good luck, faces take a lot of practice to get right. Most of the improvement you will make will be from drawing and redrawing the same face.

Bridgman goes into more detail about the individual features.

I also found drawing bargue plates to be helpful (even though that's not the purpose of them) in figuring out how to simplify the forms.

>>3110881
if you're having trouble drawing the head in 3d shapes try tracing construction lines directly on top of the reference so you can focus completely on form. After tracing a few heads at different angles try again without tracing.

Also check out loomis' book on drawing the head, and david finch's drawing the head gnomon series (but skip the part where david goes over facial proportions, they're wrong). Both focus on breaking the various features down to 3d shapes so you can draw the head from any angle.

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I'm a complete beginner. Been sketching shit past few days from imagination but I wanted to do a study so here. Criticism and advice is appreciated.

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>>3110912
Forgot this

>>3110862
Angle your drawing surface and hold the pencil further from the tip. It's counterintuitive if you're only used to writing and doodling but you need to learn not rest your hand on the paper.

Yes, your arm will get tired but that's okay. Lock your wrist and draw larger shapes with the elbow and shoulder. Doing all of this will make you more comfortable drawing with a variety of grips, which is integral to precisely placing lines in a clean and efficient manner.

Also if you do traditional it's important not to rest your hand and to hold your utensil at 90 degrees because it ensures optimal ink flow and you won't smear graphite.

>>3110891
studies nigga

look at faces. real faces, anime girl faces. whatever you want to draw like.

practice each feature and practice assembling them on your constructed heads

>>3110922
>it's important not to rest your hand and to hold your utensil at 90 degrees

It feels like I am being rused here

Mate, I'm not doing fucking japanese calligraphy

>>3110831
that's a good idea. you might make it.

>>3110912
It's less of a "study" and more of just an exercise to get you to realize what it truly means to "draw what you see, not what you think you see." Finding relationships between angles and all of the things that Dodson goes over in Keys to Drawing. If you want to put it to the test, do an actual study.

>>3110951
I'm going through Keys to Drawing and just finished one of the "copy the master" drawings. Does finding the relationships between angles and drawing the shapes of negative spaces junk get any easier the more you do it? I'll find myself trying to pay attention to all these things, and then I'll run into a part in my drawing where things don't match up compared to my study and it's frustrating.

>>3110929
just do what fits the size of the drawing. small drawings will probably require a writing grip, and larger drawings will need more fluid lines, which you're gonna use your shoulder for. holdong the pen like a paintbrush like vilppu and proko do ca help feel out forms since it's easier to change the direction of the line. idk whaat this 90° shit is, since the angle of your pencil creates different values; i guess do the 90° thing if you want to blunt your pencil fast and/or want your drawing to show up through the ten pages underneath.

honestly it's about what's comfortable. you'll realise that it's just impractical to draw a 4" circle with your wrist and adopt using your shoulder. i dont understand why people cant get their head around holding a pencil

Is it bad to not do a full sized page drawing? I'm not sure if drawing smallish things is actually making me not be so specific and detailed. I've heard to do drawings that are larger than your hand.

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I tried doing some poses from imagination using boxes.
I know they look messy as fuck but I found them more intuitive than using round or curved shapes

>>3110960
How are you so good?

I love you guys. We're all going to make it. Don't give up!

>>3110966
what's this guy's problem?

>>3110960
are you the guy using Hampton to do gestures? which book of his are you using?

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Do these look right? I don't think I'm getting better at them.

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>>3110966

>>3110966
I'm going to make but you aren't

>>3110973
I'm not him but I did read Figure drawing: design and invention. I'm also currently watching his analytical figure drawing videos from CGMA, you can download them from cgpeers.

>>3110974
>>3110960
>>3110889

Wait, when you gesture draw, is it good practice to draw the rib cage and pelvis ovals as well?

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>drawing heads
Ok
>drawing hands
Ok
>drawing arms
What the FUCK this shit is impossible.

Is it even possible to connect these hands to that woman's shoulders?

>>3110980
What are you going to make?

>>3110987
In gesture flow and rhythm are more important than the outline and construction.
But yes, you can draw them as ovals if you like. You can also draw them as ovals and then put them inside boxes to make perspective easier, or draw the pelvis as an oval and the rib cage as a box and vice versa.

>>3111008
I see! Thanks for the reply!

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Tell me what am I doing wrong before I color it

>>3110953
>does doing x more make you better at it?

yea

>>3111019
that face reminds me of the example of symbol drawing in the old sticky

>>3110955
>i dont understand why people cant get their head around holding a pencil
From what I remember, it's mostly because of the influx of information from first starting out. I used to be terrified of adopting the wrong habits because people on here were always saying on here to do things a certain way or bad habits get ingrained. From there, I started nitpicking every little thing to try and avoid bad habits as much as possible. all it did was create unneeded stress for me.

>>3110956
you want to do larger sized drawings generally because it teaches you to use your wrist for smaller shapes/lines, and your elbow/shoulder for bigger shapes/lines.

>>3110983
thanks.

anybody have that collage of those things in jars? I need to study my linework.

>>3111055
the cthulu one, with all the abominations in glass jars.

>>3110997
>Is it even possible to connect these hands to that woman's shoulders?
You can still do it, but it's probably going to be wonky at this point and you will be forcing a puzzle piece to fit where it doesn't belong. unless your proportions and angles happen to be precise. did you do a loose sketch first to make sure everything fit right on the page?

>>3111019
someone post that smoothed out Adam Sandler face.

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I think I might have improved just a smidgen.

any?

>>3111062
>tfw anon's linework is exactly like yours
Disgusting.

>>3111062
Short legs, saggy ass, cross eyed, spaghetti hands.

>>3111062
since your last post

no

>>3111063
>>3111072
>>3111076
>>3111076
damn, back to the drawing board.

>>3111078
Should just study to be honest and try again when you better understand form.

>>3111078
what exactly is your drawing board? how are you learning? have you read the sticky at all? do you think noodling around will help you to "improve?"

>>3111062
Drawing sonic characters is not good practice.

>>3111062
Chrischan: The Prequel

>>3111055
>>3111056
does anybody know what I'm talking about?

need a new thread

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I still can't get my lines straight.

>>3110997
I wish I was good enough to draw the girl on the right. Feels bad man

>>3111019
by colour it do you mean add a gradient map?

>>3110680
someone tell me im bad quick so i have motivation

>>3111266
her head is turned but her face isnt

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How are todays shitty loomis faces? (regarding head shape, ignore the shitty features)

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>>3111282
Getting good is hard. Feels bad man
I've drawn about 250 faces since I bought this sketchbook and there's definitely an improvement but they still look like major ass

Maybe I'm rushing each one too much

Is perspective the fundamental of fundamentals

>>3111366
No.

Is this a meme http://imgur.com/gallery/Ij65E/new

Did this guy really get good in 6 months or did he just get good at copying what he sees. Is that the same thing?

>>3111404
Seems like he got good at copying, I don't really know though. His "latest" piece is fundamentally good, but conceptually boring. Seemed like he didn't really learn how to make a composition, just copy pictures.

>>3111404
Being able to properly draw from observation is getting good. And yes, it's possible to get that good in a few months with observation since it's clear and cut. Just draw the thing in front of you, all the information is there. It's simple but it still takes patience.

>>3110831
You could just livestream on twitch your gaming shit and make even more money.

>>3111404
It'd be interesting to see him draw from imagination.

>>3112093
He did draw from imagination though, that's his "style". It's clearly not as good as his studies.