/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

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>>3092746
>>3092709
I tried lol

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am I getting this right? if not, can someone redline? especially the pelvis, it will be the death of me, I'm not sure where the ischums fall in terms of under the skin

some day i hope my art can be in the op image

>>3092701

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I like this one.

>>3092761
that bow is so small and not balanced

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>>3081155
day 8

>>3092765
no one cares what day it is dude just post your shit. work more with values and less with line especially in the hair

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>>3092762
That's how it's designed in-game.

>>3092767
that's fucking retarded

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>>3092770
It's an electromagnetic bow that fires bolts that pulse then explode. At that point you can throw realism out the window.

>>3092771
also the legs are pretty short

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On a scale of 0 to only moderately shit, what do you think of this? I'm pretty much a complete beginner except for drawing a bunch in primary/early high school

It took like 10-20 minutes

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>>3082752
I could never figure out the box construction.

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I tried so hard.

>>3092811
now try twice as hard on your next one

>>3092766
>no one cares what day it is dude just post your shit
but i am posting. in any case i've been using a mechanical pencil but i just got a stump and ill be using a normal pencil from now. hopefully it helps with the values.

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Critique appreciated.

>>3092829
Pulledstraightoutofass/10

>reading loomis
>practicing blooks
>the first one comes looking sort of okay
>the rest are shit

What gives.

>>3092838
>fuck it
>start chicken scratching randomly
>blook looks better than the first one

What the fuck

How is New Masters Academy for beginners?

>>3092839
>I expect to do something that I've never done before better in the first two minutes of discovering it than something I've been doing for ages now.
Maybe you should keep chicken scratching randomly, brainlet, it seems more your speed. Actually, do us a favour, and just give up already; you're exactly the kind of person people point to when they say "not everyone can make it, talent does matter".

>>3092782
It's a start, and not a horrible one. Pay more attention to details, and the form. You're shaping the snout according to the hair color, and it's not the actual shape. You also missed the structure of the eyelids, and the ears are entirely too small.

Please stop drawing on lined paper - it will only make it harder for you to see the forms in your drawing.

>>3092829
Remember: there's no value in just making up random shit with no structure or reasoning behind it. You might as well just stop drawing at that point.

>>3092811
Good job on the body - but the face...nope. So you know your weak area now - more face practice is in order.

>>3092850
why u mad tho?

>>3092829
These don't really have any place here - they don't show any competency with art, beyond grade school doodles.
Show us some more appropriate art, when you create some. Don't post stuff just for the sake of posting, put stuff up when you feel you've accomplished something, or if you're stuck and need help. The only advice I have looking at these is, head over to the book links, download some books on drawing, start at chapter one.

>>3092829
start learning fundies

>>3092854
Because I want people to succeed, you retard.

>>3092765
at least you're starting to get more consistent. remember to shade with the side of your pencil to get better values so you dont immediately rely on smudging too much.
id suggest having a value table close by and regularly cross check it with your shades rather than just guessing

>>3092851
I only drew on lined paper because it was right infront of me. I suppose those things will improve as I keep drawing. I noticed the ears after I finished it but yeah I'll keep trying

>>3092861
Was sperging out at green text part of your plan?

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>>3092746
Honestly, OP, is it so hard to post some refs?

>>3092837
Pretty much desu
>>3092852
Will take note.
>>3092855
Ok then, I'm a newfag to /ic/ so I'll make sure to only post finished pieces/less random shit. The viperfish is a reference drawing I've been meaning to finish but I've been lazy, maybe I'll finish that and then post it.
>>3092856
Will do.

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>>3092872

>>3092872
Stop bitching about OP not posting ref. There's a thread made for ref go there or just go to pinterest.

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>>3092878

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>>3092880
And a castle.

>>3092871
Was sperging out at your own inability in said greentext a part of your plan to GitGud?

>>3092872
This is a piss poor reference for drawing. It's too dark to see the form. Get your fucking head off "tits" and learn to look for shit you can actually fucking SEE to draw.

>>3092899
i disagree, you can see a lot of definition of the forms in the torso, more than usual, in a less than usual pose, and it's a single hard directional light, which is good for drawing.

perhaps your monitor is configured wrong and you can't see as much as you should be able to?

>>3092898
I was just green texting an anecdote, suddenly, some rabid fag jumped on me.

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I'v always feared /ic, ever since i started drawing a year ago,being to much of a pussy to receive harsh/any critique,but after some time of thinking,i might aswell just do it,since i'v always wanted to study art and make it a profession.
so heres a master study i did yesterday.any critique harsh or brutally honest would help immensely.thank you

>>3092924
Not your blog.

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>>3092935
and a self-portrait sketch

>>3092941
How old are you? This site is too toxic for young kids.

>>3092942
i turned 18 3 months ago.
plus,how else am i gonna get critique?

>>3092941
Some of the proportions are off. Place a vertical line extending from the side of hte nostrils upwards on your reference photo. Note where on the eye this line will cross your eyes. Then do the same on your drawing and see it doesn't cross on the same place on one eye and on the other doesn't cross at all.

>want to get good at drawing
>keep binge watching and reading shit from the guide
>realize I should actually start drawing shit

>>3092762
Who the fuck cares, are you autistic.

>>3092949
just remember to not watch while you draw

should I draw trianagles for budies or just ovels.

>>3093063
boxes

>>3092940
Look forward to more of my wacky over the top greentext stories, brother!

>>3093066
I always fail that shit.

>>3093066
>>3093073
I mean, I'm reading loomis figure drawing and I see no boxes. Also, too many lines makes my sketch a disgusting mess, I'm not using tablet.

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how to color in csp?

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I literally cannot draw this arm right now, what the fuck??

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>>3093163

>>3093195
Why does she have 2 left hands now.

/beg/ is extremely hostile today. What happened?

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>>3093196
u rite,better add a 3rd and 4th to balance it out

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Started on the making grids chapter in How to Draw by Scott Robertson. These are my first attempts at making 1 point perspective grids, but I can't help but feel that I'm doing them wrong. Any feedback on that regard would be much appreciated.

Can anyone suggest a good place to get a reasonably priced frame? Also, I could use some input on what type of frame to use and some other considerations.
>>3092717
>>3092717

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>only have one desk
>no space on it without moving away my monitor and keyboard, which i don't want to hassle with
>ergo in no position to try to draw anything

>>3093272
I know EXACTLY how you feel
>tfw have to plug out my keyboard, then go get my tablet and plug it in every fucking time I want to draw

>>3093272
>>3093304
Then buy a new desk, or an economical table from Ikea you fucks

>>3092945
you look like 12

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>>3092746
Dumping some refs so we can compare our progress

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>>3092746

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>>3092746
(some vip channer should do this but ok)

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>>3092746
now some hand reference

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>>3092746
.

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>>3092746
that's it for now

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I'm triggered by the teacup grip on a semi-auto handgun.

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Something different.

>>3092878
Gee Emily! How come your mom lets you have two Rrembrandt triangles?

>>3093272
Pleb I don't even have a desk. I draw on my bed, on the floor sitting crosslegged, or on the sofa with my laptop on a breakfast table

>>3093372
bitchmade punk, i dont even draw at home. my dad would break my jaw. i draw in the sand at my construction job when i have smoke breaks.

>>3093307
Literally don't have the space.

>>3093372
That sounds incredibly uncomfortable.

>>3093358
>>3093375
Mongoloid cucks, I don't even draw physically. I visualize everything in my mind using reverse perspective that I learned from a schema monk

>>3093372
>>3093388
the breakfast table thing could actually work. however, you'll have to be creative. I only have a notebook so sometimes, when I'm at my parent's house, I have to leave the tablet on top of the keyboard (which really mess up the shortcut access, but eh, at least I can draw)

another (better) idea would be drawing on A4 paper while looking at references on your phone

>>3093335
anime is literally bad for your health, drop it now

>89 posts
>only 7 is actual feedback
>and even then most barely are

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Is any anatomy master here? I'm reading some Bridgeman I'm understanding it, but during the mechanisms of the muscles around the scapula he brings these up, but doesn't show their name nor function. They don't look that hard to understand but I'd like to know their name to google them.

>>3092941
>god enters the room and tells me to roll a dice to choose my race
>roll a 6
>ASIAN FUCK YA
>God snickers and looks at me mockingly
>"Asian Filipino"
>mfw

>>3093405
Stop this meme, /ic/ looking down on anime and shaming other for what they want to do with their skills it's killing this place.

I'm a beginner too, but /ic/ is just filled with shitposting today, let's fix that
>>3092751
The ass too fat
Consider proportions, if you want her thicc, make sure he upper body reflects that. Right now she has the upper body of the girl you referenced, a more Petit girl
>>3092754
Looks good for a start. Make sure your lower leg is a part of the rest of the body, it looks quite extended in some of this e
poses
>>3092756
Notice how the pelvis looks somewhat flat, simplify the shapes for now. You could knock out perspective and proportions if you did this
>>3092761
Nice, but the pose is stiff. I'd imagine an Archer would show more tension in her body, as she is fully focused on nailing her target. She looks very relaxed
>>3092765
Think of hair like locks rather than strands of hair. The right most eye kind of looks droopy.
>>3092818
Try not to scribble in shading, think about the form and crosshatch appropriately

>>3093443
all i see you pointing at is bone. clavicle, scapula, and spine of the scapula.

>>3093453
I'm not kidding. Anime in a BEGINNERS thread is wrong. No beginner should draw anime. Beginners should draw from life. Period.

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Am I doing Loomis right ?

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why is this not looking right? Im newly getting into digital

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how do you go about creating something from a blank page?

>>3093459
But why is the collarbone going back to the spine? Is he just simplifying the shapes?

>>3093471
yes, except for the second dude
draw him again

>>3093485
The middle of the chest plate doesn't represent the middle of the rotated torso correctly, making it appear less rotated than it is, making the hips look too wide (since they're drawn equally wide despite being rotated (i.e despite being foreshortened))

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>>3093494

>>3093503
I should mention that the way you fix that is by either moving the point where the boob plates meet to the right or by making the torso wider, the prior makes it rotated while the later makes it face the viewer

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>>3093496
Is this better ?

>>3093485
Draw the body first, then the armor. The torso is small in comparison to the lower part of the body. If that's part of your perspective, it just seems like he is falling back. Start over anon.

>>3093510
The spine below the torso bends to the other way. The spine should have an S form.

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>>3093514
You mean the spine does a S as a whole or a litteral S ?
It's probably just me being retarded but I don't really understand

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I just got interested in drawing and made this head. Please point out all the mistakes.

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Day 1 here, this is really fun.

>>3093525
excuse me this thread is for beginners

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>>3093494

>>3093530
But there are people who help beginners here, right?

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>>3093523
An s as a whole, yes. It's not a literal S, but it kinda follows its form.

>>3093525
Symbol drawing, bad perspective.

>>3093535
okay thanks

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>>3093495
the collarbone IS connected to the spine of the scapula. if you don't know that yet, Bridgman is way too advanced for you. try Proko.

>>3093542
I've read Loomis, Hampton and Bridgman, no book has said it yet, thank you but fuck you.

How do you "learn" anatomy anyway? Just by memorizing all the muscles and bones and how they move and look? Is that all there is to it?

>>3093538
Now guide me to the path of learning.

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>>3093498
>>3093500
anyone in /beg/ has this problem?

>>3093556
Oh, if only it was so simple. The path is hidden and obscured, it is a gerat secret that we here do not like to share. However, we left cryptic clues and hidden messages on this very board. Can you find them? Will you be able to uncover the mysterious Sticky?

>>3093550
It's a long process really. You start by just drawing the general forms of the figures, whitout putting any details in your drawings. Then you learn the skeleton and muscles, and go back to drawing figures, this time aplying the knowledge you are gaining. The muscles will start to add volume to your figures, so now you should start to think the body with cubes and spheres. The only way to memorize them is just by drawing a lot. The last part will be aplying perspective, but that's a whole different matter.

You'll find yourself coming back to previous subjects, since you will be constantly acquiring new knowledge, and aplying it to your previously more simple drawings.

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Is anyone here can give me a advice how to draw a clothes crease please?

>>3093584
epic

>>3093570
Photoshop doesn't have that sort of blending, you'll have to do everything yourself.

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>>3093570
I have that problem but it never worked to begin with, maybe it's just the brushes, it can still kinda work though, here's some of my newbie rendering attempts with a brush that works like the one in the .gif you posted.

just starting out digital art, general tips for lining? my lines always look nasty

>>3093570
>>3093611

https://www.ctrlpaint.com/dp101-3/

>>3093628
I do not think you understand or read the problem we are facing, anon.

>>3093624

Shit at something? Practice.

>>3093624
Do not use preset brushes, go download a pack from the internet, any will do, and practice with those.

>>3093631

Hmm? The problem is why doesn't it blend like corel painter? or why doesn't it blend at all?

Video literally tells you how to blend in photoshop. Lower opacity/flow and sample in between color. If you want something like the one in corel painter you have to use smudge tool. That site also gave you a download to a smudge brush that works really well.

If none of this work probably have something to do with your pen pressure settings/driver problem.

I can only tell this much based on the information you give.

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>>3093510
>>3093523
not perfect but hope it helps

>>3093636

Yeah, because brushes are magic.

>>3093636
any suggestion?

>>3093655
Presets are pretty bad, anon.

>>3093526
I gotta say that drawing looks like fucking shit but I'll use as reference one month from now. Day one is over and had quite some fun.

>>3093067
how is that tiny penis treating you?

>>3093196
you're an ungrateful fag

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>>3093651
Photoshop also has a blending brush. It's called the Mixer Brush, and it's pretty cool, once you learn to control it.

>>3093331
you're a fag

>>3093272
Put the monitor on a monitor arm, put shelves above the desk to hold everything you're not using.

Or, just give up, like you already have. It's working so well for you.

>>3093658
You can do any realistic painting or drawing with hard round.

Can someone help me out with understanding the modified contour drawing exercise in "Drawing On the Right Side of the Brain" I just can't seem to position my hand on the same way that it was when I drew it on the clear picture plane and now my finished contour drawing looks nothing like what was on the clear picture plan originally. Am I doing something wrong? Any help would be appreciated.

>>3093682
You can, but there's no point on handicapping yourself. A google search for a brush pack, is like giving a noob a complete set of tools to work, he might not know how to use all of them, but it's better than having him draw with a piece of chalk on regular notebook paper.

>>3093686
hard + soft round IS the complete set

custom brushes are a fucking meme if I ever saw one

>>3093686
Or, how about they sit down with a manual, and the app, and learn how brushes work, and make their own?

Oh, that's crazy talk, right? Better to just hand money over for something they can make for free, and learning how will make them better at using the app, and we can't have that, can we?

The lack of curiosity and motivation to do more than copy others is why most of the people in /ic won't ever go beyond scribbles. I can't wait to learn new techniques and use new tools. Everyone in my art classes was like that, too. This forum is the only one I've ever encountered that spends as much time and effort on short cuts and cheats and plug ins that draw curves for you, as they do on actual art.
The autism here is too rigid for education. ONE brush, ONE book, ONE style of art, you people are so fucking locked in, it's shocking you get anything done. But then, half the posts here are sniveling about how hard it is, and how depressed and anxious they get about the simple act of drawing, so I guess exploration and the sheer joy of just trying something will never happen here.
It's fucking pathetic. It really fucking is.

>>3093693
While some cry and moan about how hard it is to draw some others are equally as useless and bitter about how other people do it, and you are one of them
>why are people that DON'T KNOW how to draw making their own brushes for linework they can't do for art that they don't know how to make?????
You are retarded and your insistence on making other people do arbitrary work instead of actually improving it's what actually holds people down, brushes are tools, not a fundamental skill, eat shit and kill yourself.

>>3093697
Oh, noes, a neckbeard has chastized me!

LOL. Go fuck your mother. I've spent countless hours helping people here, but I've been unable to stop the flood of autism.

You can't make brushes, because you havent used one? Get the fuck out of here, you god damned spastic fuck. Excuses is all you have. Go snivel at someone else, you pathetic freak. And get the fuck out of the art world, you don't belong here.

>>3093713
Amazing argument, faggotron.

>>3093714
I'm not arguing, dumbshit. I'm making observational points. I'm not a Wizard neckbeard like you that's compelled by your broken brain to argue every fucking thing you encounter. Go "Well ackshually" your mother - she might care.

>>3093717
Amazing "observational points", faggotron.

>>3093674
Ask your mom how my penis treat her ;o

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>>3093678
>>3093651
>>3093628
Thanks ill take a look at that

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How did I do drawing my hand /ic/?

>>3093718
That's all you got, Wizard?

LOL.

Pathetic neets.

>>3093746
>if i call him enough names, maybe I'll be right!
This site is 18+

>>3093747
HURRRRRR! You shore got me dere! HURRRRR

>>3093747
>>3093752
can both of you stop shitting up the thread with retarded arguing and shitposting, thanks

3/4 faces KILL me. i find it much much easier to draw straight on or profile faces.
it feels like i am unable to visualize and rotate 3d objects in my head, i end up guessing the foreshortening or try to just copy line for line

>>3093769
Thats because a beginner trying to learn how to draw by copying photos is fucking idiotic.

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>>3093729
just tryed it. It's better than before but still meh

The guy at ctrl alt isn't even using the same brushes he provided for download, the ones in his video blend better

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>>3093769
Draw your guidelines on cubes, and start constructing from there.

>>3093756
Original anon who asked the question.
I apologize

>>3093778
CSP has brushes that blend and its pretty cheap

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my character drawings always end up looking pretty stiff, some advice would be appreciated

>>3093821

This will change your world anon. Michael Hampton. Find his pdf (I think on the book thread) or get his video lessons on CGP.

>>3093826
ty anon, much appreciated

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My first time drawing spiderman. What do you think?

>>3093821
Read the sticky anon. You lack all of the fundamentals.

Why are legs so fucking difficult to draw

>>3093821
You have some cool as fuck ideas anon, hope you stick around. Awesome sword and effects on the hand.

>>3093851
of all human anatomy the legs are the simplest. How are you fucking that up?

>>3093851
You haven't drawn them enough. That's all. I noticed I was suddenly better after a few months.

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rate my inking, /ic/

Any tips on making cleaner sketches?

>>3093865
>SU

>>3093872
Sonic Underground?

>>3093886
Tamers12345?

>>3093889
Tamers is kino

>>3093886
>>3093889
>>3093897
steven universe, guys

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will drawing little people help me draw full sized people?

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>>3093742
obviously you tried to directly draw from the reference without sketching the placements. The direction of the face is off and he looks more buff than the reference. Also, you forgot the left ear and messed up the proportions. Keep practicing.

>>3092941
>>3092935
You have potential, but you must concentrate to improve your draftsmanship and proportions if you want to push past your plateau.

>>3092941
>>3092935
You have potential, but you must concentrate to improve your draftsmanship and proportions if you want to push past your plateau.
>>3093195
This redline is disgraceful.

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How is this? How did I do on the shading and anatomy?

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>>3093932

>>3093934
How can I fix it?

>>3093936
For starters, forget about shading until you get your anatomy right, and to get your anatomy right, do A LOT of studies. Proportions are all fucked up in that drawing anon. Go and study.

>>3093950
Thanks
Is it okay if ask for specifics? What exactly is out if proportion?

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Am i just polishing a turd /IC/?

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>>3092754
The figures look wonky because you're focusing too much on contour. You should simplify your figures, work with very basic gestures first. Find the rhythm and flow in the pose.

Also simplify your anatomy. Don't try to get every single nuance in there until you're competent with the major parts first. Study the largest aspects of the body such as rib-cage and pelvis. Define those shapes better. Understand weight and balance of the body.

It's better to start simple and get that down before you add detail. Also do not leave out the neck and head. They have their own counter balance relative to the shoulder.

>>3093963

Pictures like that really annoy me.

Artists who are trying to teach gesture drawing should really avoid making full figures out of them. It only throws beginners off.

>>3093963
why would anyone take advice from gestures that are completely shit.

>>3093967
What the fuck? I can't even begin to understand your comment

Before I call you a huge retard, explain

>>3093961
Plz respand

>>3093978
Doesn't look polished or a study. Looks like you're having fun. So keep at it and have fun, stop worrying about shit.

>>3093980
Awesome, i love drawing characters who look like theyre happy it makes me feel pretty good.

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Help me get better.

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>>3093988

>>3093950
I don't think it's a good idea to "forget about shading". It leads beginners astray into thinking they don't have to work on things because they're a beginner. Don't put things off until later, you'll only have no idea what you're doing or how to apply it when you finally tackle it

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>>3093988

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>>3093988
.....

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>>3093988
.

>>3093988
>>3093998
>>3094005
>>3094007
>>3094009
how are you so good??

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>>3094003
This is true in my anecdotal experience as well. I think focusing is IMPORTANT but don't be retarded like me or you won't know what the hell you're doing when you finally want to do it. You do have to mix it up a little bit and regularly, too.

t. have done nothing but gesture drawings for the past four years

I don't know color. I don't know linework. I don't know perspective..I don't even know anatomy, at least not from the waist or the wrists down. All because I had this weird notion that I had to get super good at this one esoteric thing before moving on to something else.

(and I'm not even very good at that lmoa)

It's okay, moving forward I'll try and balance things out, but honestly I'm so set in my ways I don't even know where to start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB91QfyBuz8

>>3094015
I don't get what the point of posts like this are. The guy obviously knows hes shit if he is posting in /beg/, why fuck with him when he tries to get better?

>>3094021
Dude you've gotta post some recent gestures you've done now, I'm really damn curious

>>3094021
>>3094022
/ic/ has just been either misleading or increasingly hostile lately. Even more so than it's ever been.

>>3093975

It's not complicated. Beginners confuse gesture for contour all the time. The way to properly teach a beginner is to draw only the lines that suggest the flow, not to confuse them with fancy contours and forms that distract them.

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I drew a bird thing.

>>3094025
i wonder if it's just one dude

>>3094015
I am not good, I just have some practice; I still have many stuff to learn.

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>>3093984
another of mine
Pls no bully

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>>3093951
Your neck is too wide, the head seems smal, the right eye looks out of place, and in general it doesnt seem to be much thought on construction.

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>>3094003
>>3094021
>>3094025
I didnt mean to sound rude, but I guess is different for each one of us. I believe that someone should focus in one field and try his best to improve in that specific area.

Shading is important, but when you start, you should focus on the basics, and shading isn't one of them. Trying to mix shading while you are starting to study anatomy will only lead to frustation, since you still don't know how the muscles work, what planes do they have, and how those planes change when moving. You can start putting some shading in your draws after you feel confident in your figures though.
4 years in one subject is a long fuckin time for a one subject though. I've been studying anatomy for a year, and just now I'm confident enough to move to perspective, altough I know I will coming back to anatomy later, because there's always new knowledge to apply to your drawings.

>>3093272
of all the shitty excuses to not draw...

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>>3094052
Reminds me of a Tonberry from Final Fantasy

>>3093405
There is nothing wrong with anime. Its just another stylized form along with Disney style or other cartoons.

As long as your study anatomy and get a grasp of the fundamentals, you can stylize however you want

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Any simple and straightforward tutorial on facial shapes as a whole? I'm still struggling to find consistency. I also suck at perceiving shapes.

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Anywhere I'm messing up in here aside from not having them all in the same orientation

>>3094079
There's no simple and straightforward way to faces, anon. If you've already read Loomis, try Bridgman or Hampton. I consider Bridgman easier to grasp the fundamentals.

>>3094089
I didn't say simple and straightforward way, but simple and straightforward tutorial, with more pictures than words. I also hate watching youtube to draw, it just sucks.

I'll check out Bridgman though, but I doub't it'll be any good.

>>3094025
It's just /ic/'s time of the month

>>3094053
Think it might be the guy who avatarfags with that merc_wip macro?

>>3094075
This. It's like the stylized "Marvel" kind of drawing - it should be based on the fundamentals. I'm not into anime or the Marvel style, but that doesn't mean I have to hate on them, they're just different than what I prefer. (And why I don't post in anime threads)

>>3094087
Yup, the head is too small in most cases, the rib cage is too far appart from the pelvis. More importantly I suggest you try the entire figure even if it's crudely drawn so that you can pay attention to balance and make sure that both feet are on the ground plane.
Otherwise the rhythms are starting to look pretty good.

>>3094079
Maybe try doing some asaro heads, with just two or three values. That's the best I found to learn the baic structure.

>>3094119
I'm not him but I have the same problem with heads ending up too small if I start with them in the gesture. Is there some obvious way I'm not thinking of for getting better at this other than just erasing the head and redoing it towards the end?

>>3094136
It's one of the most typical problems just like with hands and feet. I've had it for months and I still do when i'm not paying attention or too focused on details. The solution is to always pay close attention when drawing the sphere for the head and the mass of the ribcage and take the time to compare them. It will become second nature over time and you wont be making that mistake too often but keep in mind that even the masters can make big proportion mistakes when they are too focused on some other aspect of the drawing.

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critique pls

>>3094079
you need to add depth man, you're making them TOO flat
start curving shit around

>>3094052
too cartoony nobody can critique it
the beak looks really flat though

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How's this?

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>>3094162

Reference

>>3094158
Exactly why I came here for. My drawings are so flat because I suck at perceiving 3D images.

>>3094162
>>3094163
Pay more attention to the tutorials.

>>3094166

Which tutorials in particular? Proko?

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>>3094168
Whichever you read. The placement is imprecise, you need to define more shapes. Look at this pic, that's how you sketch.

>>3094162
The way I see it, is that you are focusing too much in details, when you should work first in your placements. Stick to simple forms for the eyes, nose, and mouths, like spheres and triangles. Take your time to measure the placements of the elements of the head.

Is loomis a meme like everyone says? First day here, but I always hear this.

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>>3093932
Theres not enough visible to judge the anatomy.
The shading is okay.

The real problem is you ruined the perspective.
We are looking from below but the neck is placed wrong and the shoulders are forward, we should not be able to see the top of the shoulder.
the neck should be more to the left and tilted right

I fixed the perspective and shoulders

>>3094219
Loomis is the Big Black Cock of visual arts. Only virgin insecure sissy (((wh*te))) bois hate it.

>>3094236
I'm a little worried now, But I can take it.

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whats more efficent
trying to improve a turd for 5 hours
or drawing 5 hours long different faces?

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>>3094023
Here's a quick figure from imagination <5 minutes. Not quite a gesture but I think this explains what I do better than gestures would anyway. I don't really know how to pose a figure naturally which is a serious problem. I just kind of draw a body from some angle and just arbitrarily attach limbs to it after the fact.

Believe me though, those "4 years" I mentioned are not really all that either. I often go many months without picking up my stylus in earnest. I can count the amount of "finished" pieces I've done on one hand in the entire time I've been drawing and they look like mspaint. Don't follow my bad example; don't get addicted to one part of the process (and don't get an 11 hour a day job)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aJ2Vh_e2dQ

>>3094246
Drawing different things is better because, then you'll be able to see which ones are better than the others.

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>>3094164
Just curve around some lines until it starts to look good

>>3094246
Doing what you don't normally do.

>>3094178
>>3094206

Thanks, I'm going to revisit Loomis and work on basic planes and whatnot.

>>3093910
yes and no
it will help you understand how people are shaped and should look.
but the placement of anatomy will always be off but thats easily fixed by looking at references or studying.

>>3093865
3/10 perspective is fucked

>>3093828
Draw more
>>3093740
its okay but its boring

>>3094156
anyone??

>>3094289
4.5 out of 10 human printers.

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Did a lighting thing a while back. How is it? Really suffering at the moment with procrastinating.

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How the fuck do you draw snakes????

>>3094311
Sorry forgot about the sydeways posting

I'm having trouble at the divid bqll and plane method. Where and how am I supposed to draw the jaw block?

>>3094311
>>3094312
>>3094324
>>3094314

fucking kek.

check out loomis head and hands he has some stuff about it. see art book thread. its on page 21 and beyond.

>>3094314
Just fuck around with it brother, see what happens depending on how you draw it and try to work towards something that looks like an actual head

Don't forget to post it here afterwards just in case the head you thought looked right wasn't right at all

>>3094295
I can draw from imagination, but this one is from reference cuz i decided to. Anyway thanks for your constructive critique. Really appreciate.

I know my stuff isnt bad, but its still beginner so if someone can actually help me improve i will be thankful.

>>3094333
Your rendering's nice, now go work on improving something that doesn't have to do with copying a reference

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>>3094331
>>3094330
Grazie

>>3094253
Now you're making him look like a fuccboi. I want to make him look like Jesus in catholic icons and shit.

>>3094233
>>3094066
Thanks guys, I'll definitely work on it.

anons help, im starting to do some higly detail A3 with pen, than i photograph it and color it in photoshop. my question whats the best scanner for this type of work? i heard its a flat bed scanner but i cant find any with A3 size

>>3094146
>>3094119
Thanks anon, this helps a lot. Ill try to think more about the proportions and placement.

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JUST KEK MY SHIT UP

>>3094393
Bretty good, but what the hell is going on with his chest?

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I have no idea what I'm doing. First time trying to sketch with painting, is it a good idea at all?

>>3094396
A few random lines at the front probably fucked it up.

>>3094393
That ref pic is gay af, how could you even stare at that.

>>3094401
I was more concerned about the back though.

>>3094402
Dude, you might actually be a latent faggot if it's not bait.

>>3094405
I'm a [spoiler]lesbian[/spoiler].

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>>3094405
Is this better or more shit?

>>3094411
/u/ is really gay anon

>>3094412
Better.

>>3094416
Thanks anon.

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feels bad man

>>3094265
>Boring
I agree with you on that, I need to change it up and try more difficult positions. Might post some of them once I'm off work. Thanks for the feedback though.

>>3094458
I share this feel.

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>>3094494
This is also mine: >>3094486

I just tried to draw a leaf but failed dramatically and gave up midway through. What do

I'll keep trying to draw things though

What kind of equipment do I need if I am an absolute beginner? A felt-tip pen, a normal pencil, Castell 9000, ballpoint pen, etc? There are so many options I don't know which one to go for. What would be smartest to buy (cheap and effective) while I am getting mileage?

>>3094520
Pencil and printer paper is all you need
A pencil in the B to 4B range and Staedtler pens if you want to get fancy

Don't fall for the "some tools are better than others for learning" meme, the difference is so minor just drawing for 10 minutes instead of worrying about it would make up for it

>>3094486
looks rushed. have more patience. It's a 40min-1h exercise.

>>3094520
I use a black ballpoint pen and a school cahier of lined paper for sketching. I like lined paper because I don't feel bad for wasting it with shitty drawings. I use pen instead of pencil because I absolutely hate having to layer graphic to get values.

>>3094526
Thank you, that's what I was thinking, just couldn't decide.
>>3094532
What does that mean, to layer graphic?

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It was meant to be a cat...

>>3094558
Draw a cat skull from different angles, then draw a hairless cat from different angles, then try your drawing again.

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First time drawing since elementary school, how did I do? I think I have some problems with symbol drawing.

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>>3094615
Second drawing

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>>3094616
Third one

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>>3094558
dunno why yours looks a bit like a fox. maybe the nose. I tried to do a little rev

>>3094616
You don't seem too stuck in symbol drawing imo. this one looks pretty good, i.e. like you actually observed, simplified shapes, and drew loose lines. try not to do those spaghetti lines as with her hair. Don't get too hung up on fingers or a face. It's better to do that in longer form studies, and bigger format.

>>3094615
>>3094616
>>3094617
Fucking awful.
Read the sticky and start drawing at least 4 hours each day

>>3094299
that's not how light works, it's close but not good enough. There's a chapter from Drawing Lessons from the Great Masters by Robert Hale which explains a method of studying light from life. Go find the pdf yourself and read that section.

give me (your) practice exercises/drills/warmups/routines

>>3094627
Thank you.

I will do some line practice, some more sketches and I will try to find some time for bigger studies.

>>3094628
That would seriously cut into my chess study time too much, sorry.

>>3094672
post your elo

>>3094677
Man, I began just two months ago, so it's shit and just shames me (1050ish on chesstempo and 1100ish lichess).

>>3093978
start drawing from life and you'll get much better in this style

>>3094075
>>3094117

stop being stupid. beginners should draw realism. drawing cartoon (that includes anime) when you still can't draw from life is BAD for your skills. you'll become a BAD drawer, not even an artist.

the general problem with anime shit is because those stupid retarded mongoloid otaku are all about anime shit and are never willing to STUDY art, to draw from life, study anatomy, shading, foreshortening. they just wanna make stupid characters with cat ears and shit. which is not bad (I hate it, but I'm not the King of the World yet), not at all - except if you haven't learn what you should have BEFORE doing that crap

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>>3094616
Is this one any better? Just ignore hands pls.

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>>3093464
>>3094725
This

>>3094763
>>3094763
>>3094763

>>3094763
>>3094763
>>3094763

>>3094763
>>3094763
>>3094763

>>3093464
lol. No fun allowed! And children shouldn't draw smileys!

>>3094780
are we talking about children?
the last time I checked these were people trying to get better, not children asking for compliments

>>3094787
Animu is no hindrance to getting better at drawing just like any stylization. At the very least you practice your linework plus it provides you with motivation to get better with your fundamentals...all while having fun.

>>3094740
Draw bigger

>>3093272
just buy a folding table you can put away when you're not drawing.

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Well i drew this recently what can i improve on?

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Haven't really drawn since I was about 15 and I'm 20 now. Bought an intuous and dived into it.

Aside from being shit, there is something way off about the facial composition. Can anyone tell me what it is? Pretty sure either the mouth or nose is way out. I just can't for the life of me tell which