/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy

(Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free

videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick

gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and

thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone

worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3076034
my formatting got scuffed baka

>>3076033
>it's like learning how to play the guitar without studying music theory.
How? Just fucking how? The "music theory" in the analogy would be the fundamentals, different media are just different tools, different instruments.

>also ctrl+z, select, color adjust, this kind of stuff makes an artist literally less capable of producing good artwork and more dependant on this stuff
I actually personally agree with this, but this is not what we were discussing. It's not the same with colouring, colouring just works differently in different media. Also, there are plenty of artists who don't see harm in learning with those tools either.

>you're not a good artist if you can only work with a specific set of tools. (specially the easier ones)
Well this is just wrong. All artists can only work with specific sets of tools, I'm sure there has never been an artist who was good at everything in art, all kinds of paints, all kinds of graphics, all styles, all surfaces etc. Even if there were, they were few, and there were lots of great artists who were really good at only one specific thing. And really, what's wrong with that? You become dependant on the tools you use, and you're not good in a medium where they aren't available, so what? Your tools aren't going anywhere, you'll always be using them.

So what's your guys schedule? Like, when do you draw and for how long? Do you practice a one technique or a variety of things?

>>3076067
depends on what your goals are

I've been doing gesture drawings and figure studies but what I really want to do is draw animals (and f*rries)

how do I do animals?

>>3076073
You've been drawing animals all this time. Now you'll be drawing animals of different species. Naturally, they have different anatomy that you will have to study.

>>3076084
but how? Do I do gesture/figure drawings of them too? How?

and I can never place the muzzle on faces correctly, they either look wonky as fuck or 2d, usually both

>>3076087
>Do I do gesture/figure drawings of them too?
Yeah, you can do that.

>and I can never place the muzzle on faces correctly
Learn the construction of the head, draw the skull.

>>3076067
if you have a busy day life, like a job, school and/or wife/husband/S.O./kids, you'll be lucky if you're able to draw one single hour per day. if that's your case, try to get some more drawing time in the weekend

if have few or no reponsabilities you should just be drawing all day. all. day. i'm on vacation right now, two weeks off college and my fiancée is traveling to see her folk, then i'm drawing about 4-6 hours per day

>>3076111
Chirst dude 4-6 hours? Are you planning on making a career out of this?

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not sure if im getting anything right with the lighting. and im not changing the main hues of the ocean

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details are haaard. is this one coming along okay?

>>3076115
3 on slow days, 6 on very productive ones.
not really a career, i guess. the thing is that drawing is just very pleasing for me, and i can feel my skills getting better every week. it feels amazing to accomplish stuff. also i have the whole day free, literally nothing to do except 1-hour workout, doing the dishes and feeding the dog.

>>3076116
shading with straight black ruins any otherwise decent painting/drawing

>>3076111
if I belong to the top group, can I expect to make any discernable gains whatsoever in a reasonable amount of time only drawing an hour or so at a time?

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>>3076134
yeah i realize that its just EVERY ref i look up where theres a back side of an object thats facing a sunset is literally blacked out

>>3076117
your rocks are too patterned, too similar, try to make them a little more uneven, maybe some of them could be broken

>>3076116
same as >>3076134, shading with black is a bad idea; also the sunset light is not white, the rocks should be a little orange in the lightspots

>>3076137
one hour per day is more than enough if you're investing in a hobbie. in the beginning you might feel that you're improving a lot, but after some time the learning curve gets lower and it takes more time. just never really stop, every day counts. if you don't have any time, try sketching in a notepad while waiting for the bus (or inside the bus) or something like that

>>3076138
I would make the rocks purple honestly, a dark purple. And then have the edges tinged orange like >>3076140 says

>>3076060
I'm in love.

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>>3076087
the only thing you need

>>3076160
DAS BIER GEWINNT
DAS BIER GEWINNT
DER BALL IST RUND, DER SCHIRI BLIND

Is loomis a joke? Why should I spend hours on a book that doesn't get me anywhere?

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>>3075305
drew a pupper from last thread

>>3076193
>posting a stupid opinion to raise your chances of receiving a detailed answer
Classic

>>3076138

Your sun is higher up with barely any cloud obstructing the light. And the rocks have rounded shape. Light will hit the side into the ocean and bounce back towards the back of the rock.

It will be dark but not completely.

>>3076194
hello derpness my old friend

>>3076202
You replied. The bait succeeded

>>3076256
um... no?

>>3076259
no, you did. im a bystander chiming in to agree with the other anon. you fell for it. sorry!

>>3076058
why is she only 5 heads tall. It makes her harder to draw.

>>3076264
its up to you to turn her into bayonetta. thats usually the point of refs

>>3076060
This fucking girl is impossible to draw what the fuck

>>3076302
dont you just love that mid-cringe expression and that wandering eye

>>3076194
>"Are you 'avin a laugh? Well get on with it then!"

>>3076311
She sure is lovely, but I can't wrap my head around her head perspective and construction properly for some reason

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focused on expression and facial features, which I'm working on improving

>>3076320
keep practicing, the eyes seem icon drawn

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I was studying proportions and outlines.

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I don't know

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>>3076336

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>>3076337
The ref. My foreshortening sucks, the breasts and face is also weird.

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>>3076320
it might be a good idea to draw bigger, and it helps to have a larger picture for reference in that case so you can use the pencil measurement technique.

>>3076264

Why do people count heads? Just eyeball it. If it looks good, it looks good.

>>3076344
you look good

When I try to do the pen line superimposition exercise, my pen seems to wear a groove into the paper that guides the nib, sort of ruining the purpose of the exercise
how do I avoid this? Just draw lighter?

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>>3076334
It's not that bad, but I suggest you to try again and look more carefully at the general forms. The head is all wrong (perspective, proportions, etc.). Use guidelines or make it mentally.
I hope this picture helps a bit.

Are there any other good sources on working on perspective other than Made easy? Just curious.

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>>3076055

here goes nothing

>>3076361
Marshall Vandruff's 12 perspective series online. It's only 12 dollars.

A book that was helpful for me was D'Amelio's perspective drawing Handbook, has plenty of pictures in it

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>>3076055

be gentle this is my first try with a tablet. That ear is on point though.

>>3076364
Alright, I'll look into it
Thanks!

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>>3073652
Day 2 but was actually from last night
some how it turned out looking like a caricature

>>3076386
symbols

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>>3076182
>>3076217
Don't worry, you're already retarded. Whether or not you should draw from your shoulder is not determined by how good I am at drawing them, but by the instructions of the fucking exercise. Go to drawabox.com/lesson/1 and drawabox.com/faq, read what he has to say about drawing from the wrist, read the exercise, and follow the directions. Here's half a page of ellipses just for you, faggot Some of them might be messy but they're flowy, unlike yours, and that's how the ellipses are actually supposed to look. DRAW FROM YOUR FUCKING SHOULDER

>>3076160
oh hi from lulz I see you're on here too

>>3076393
Not that anon but I draw with my shoulder, at least elbow, even when drawing small ellipsis.

You should try focusing on drawing from the shoulder anyway, even if you end up producing "big" ellipsis

>>3076355
Thank you!

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I've been using Procreate. This is Starfire. How'd I do so far?

>>3076319
Draw construction directly on the picture.

>>3076434
well, you drew a man with a feminine face. If that was what you were aiming for... good job!

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Say you're drawing from A to B to C, whether curved or straight.
Do you pay attention to region 1 (just ahead of your current drawing point) throughout the draw, or do you just focus on the entire shape and just leave it if it's "close enough" to what you wanted?

>>3076456
why on earth are you trying to integrate calculus into art? just ghost your motion then draw into it

>>3076472
I was asking about focus of attention, the diagram was just to communicate the idea.

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>>3076444
How's this?

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>>3076500
Also this?

>>3076500
you have to make the shoulders smaller. they are way to lumpy and wide

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>>3076060
kek what have i done

>>3076517
Needs the spark, otherwise not totally NGMI material, senpai.

>>3076517
You just gotta keep measuring and keep flipping the canvas to check every shape
every time you get lazy and say " fuck it, I'll move on to the details already" another piece of shit is born.

>>3076517
Would be a lot better if you just fixed the mouth's position

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>>3076513
How is it now? I still want her to look muscular but I'll do it later.

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thoughts on my monster?

>>3076585
hard to read or understand due to varying thickness of lines and form.

>>3076586
oops youre right the heavy lines are in the back and the light lines are in the front. i just suck at drawing

>>3076585
finish that waterfall bitch

>>3076585
make it less symmetrical

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Not really here for critiquing although it's welcomed, I drew these in under 10 minutes for the person I love who absolutely loves drawing, I just want to put these out somewhere, I would send them to her but she hates me now and has blocked me, I used to draw as a kid and It's the first time I've drawn since I was twelve

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I don't understand how to edges.

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>>3076603

>>3076193
Loomis works for anons who were the "artsy" kids growing up, aka anons who have prior experience with art but need to take their game to the next level (i.e., not shit). Loomis basically runs with the assumption that the reader has some basic level of competency (even in Fun with a Pencil) and rapidly escalates, which is annoying for an absolute beginner (probably like you), but useful for somebody who has nice chops as is, but just needs a run through of the fundies and an introduction to anatomy.

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Y'all are chump's for using references. Senpai! Grade my eldrich abomination!

>>3076591
ill try to this weekend

>>3076592
but its like a snake

>>3076606
Wild shit nigger. Is that a fucking catapult aimed at an angel?

How do you draw vertical lines from the shoulder?

>>3076603
Gay. The bitch looks tired and we can't see the helmet. Nice cursive though anon, I'd hang with you if you promised not to grab my balls.

>>3076631
I have no idea honestly I drew that in at the last second cause there was a bunch of empty space, I'm super impatient, I guess that's why I'm not actually an artist.

>>3076640
Meh, like I said, done in about 10 minutes and it's the first thing I've drawn for years, I'm just too impatient to learn it but it's a release of some kind.

>>3076643
Draw the bitch getting run through. Do you have reference photos? I'll do it for you.

>>3076645
What do you mean the bitch getting run through?

>>3076646
It means that you are about to witness an edgy /beg/ retard try and fail to draw something and then cry autistic tears at their failure.

>>3076648
Nigger you are speaking in some sort of tongue, who the hell do you want ref pictures of

>>3076650
How so?

>>3076649
How so?

>>3076652
>>3076654
Ya'll forget these, the other post got deleted

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>>3076060
shit man I remember doing this a year ago took a while to find the file
Will re-do it tomorrow, too late now

>>3076649
This chick who's too cool for school anon. Duh. We can draw her getting electrocuted in the bath by dropping her cell phone if makes you feel any better. Just know that we're here for you.

>>3076659
Can I get an artist's statement?

>>3076658
Nah bro, it was honestly all my fault, I don't want anything bad to happen to her, thanks for the offer tho

>>3076660
on what?

>>3076662
On the sperm texture in that image?

>>3076664
sure, uh, i don't know what you'd want out of it, i mostly tried to show it swirl and fill and so i did a test shot with a baster and a balloon

>>3076668
Uh-huh. How would you describe your orientation?

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>>3076670
bisexual with weird hangups

>>3076671
stop living

>>3076675
no

>>3076671
Where can we see more of your work?

What do your close friends think of this stuff?

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>>3076678
my friends think some of the stuff i draw is weird, but i don't only draw porn, and you can find my stuff at http://kiahlsart.tumblr.com

>>3076441
Thanks, that's a great idea.

>>3076682
What else can you tell me about yourself?

Being both a perfectionist and a beginner is hell.

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>>3076693
What is this, /beg/ therapy?

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>>3076693
i dunno man, i'm not Henry Darger, it's not that deep

Recently, I felt like practising with some videos and not only with books, so I started downloading Vilppu and Hampton videos. Who else has great videos? Proko?

>>3076695
Sounds like autism.

>>3076714
>>3076714
Depends on what you're practicing.
Proko is great for anatomy obviously
Vandruff is highly recommended for perspective
CtrlPaint is the number one go-to for digital painting
There's this guy on YT named Philip Dimitriadis who works in the industry and shares a lot of his class recordings that range from topics like character and environment design to fundamentals and tips on modeling in Maya.

>>3076365
layer the ref under your drawing and check the differences yourself if you're doing digital. also make sure you flip your drawing horizontally periodically to check for mistakes.

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>>3076055
day 3
getting closer, then again perfect profiles are usually the easiest

>>3076714
Gary Meyer's Fundamentals of Perspective is good.

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I feel like the hands are too small.

And the sheath opening is supposed to jut out like that, not shit perspective.

>>3076659
Do you draw faces like that on purpose?

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Here are some 60 second gestures. I've been practicing for a while but I'd like some direction.

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>>3076031
For some reason I can't stand the combination of green and red.

>>3076611
looks fuckin sick senpai

>>3076937
ikr, i think that's why people often use blue as a companion for red, rather than green

>>3076517
you need hampton bro, but you're on track

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>>3076937
hmmmm

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>>3076937

>>3076960
green apples are better

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>>3076964
You clearly haven't tried these yet

I only have a table to draw on, how do I still draw from the shoulder? I can only use my elbow and it hurts

>>3076714
Are there better places than cgpeers and piratebay to get Hampton's Analytical Figure Drawing video course? Both torrents are slow as shit for me.

>>3076960
>>3076962
What are you trying to say? Those are not appealing to me in any way. Also I don't like apples.

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>>3076055
I suck at shadows , i can't draw from imagination , but what do u think guys ?

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>>3076937
Yeah it's a tricky combination, because red is a special color, but it still can work. Too much green usually looks bad without some red.

>>3076986
I think you also suck at reading the OP and the sticky.

>>3076985
1. it was a joke
2. >>3076962 that's a tomato

>>3076992
Sorry im on my phone , i just wanted to try without actually learning the basics wich i will do and compare later

>>3076993
I know, but I like tomatoes.

>>3076982
You could also just draw with your wrist like a normal person.
But seriously if it hurts you should probably listen to your body and stop, before you fuck yourself up.

>>3076982
You also have walls.

>>3076998
>You could also just draw with your wrist like a normal person
But if you use the wrist you can't draw smooth, long lines. Am I not gimping myself by doing this?

>>3077001
Not a single wall in my house has a smooth surface, I'm afraid

>>3077005
Are you living in a log house?

>>3076982
Please only draw in a method that causes you the least discomfort.

With regards to the elbow:
There is a condition of the elbow known as Student's Elbow (Olecranon Bursitis) where the elbow can become uncomfortable and tender due to repeated rubbing on the table (which can be a type of micro trauma).

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/327951-overview has more detailed information about what actually happens

Treatment: pain killers and cushioning elbow pads.

With regards to the hand - the most common form of repeated strain injury (RSI) for artists is called Carpal Tunnel syndrome. This is because the nerve called the median nerve passes through a thing called the carpal tunnel and if the space is very narrow or you make the space pretty narrow you can get a whole bunch of unpleasant symptoms like numbness and pain. Mostly Carpal Tunnel Syndrome affects the thumb and the first two fingers of your hand and half of the ring finger as well as up your palm.

Most artists can get this treated with physiotherapy or those splints you see some artists wearing.

A rarer RSI is called Guyon's Tunnel. It's because the Ulnar nerve - the other nerve in your hand that passes above the carpal tunnel but in its own special tunnel. The ulnar nerve supplies half the ring finger and some of the little finger.

If you notice any pain or tingling and shit you should stop and take a break. I don't want to scare you, but while 99% of these cases are treated by rest, recuperation, preventing you from repeatedly straining yourself, splints, etc for ALL THREE SEVERE CASES, SURGERY IS INDICATED.

>>3076982
Easels are fucking cheap.

>>3077005
I'd use my door if I were to do something from the shoulder, a window would work as well I guess.

>>3077007
No, just shitty bumpy wallpaper everywhere
>>3077008
Oh, I didn't know that. I'll be careful from now on, thank you.
>>3077011
Yeah, maybe I should get one soon.
>>3077014
>door
fuck, good idea. Why did I not think of this sooner?

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>stop worrying about proportions so much like hampton said in his videos
>actually start having fun drawing people
I do fix mistakes once I'm done with the base construction but wew lad this is so much better than measuring shit constantly

>>3077003
>But if you use the wrist you can't draw smooth, long lines
You can fade out the end of your strokes and then draw over them and it'll look like one smooth line or lift your fucking elbow off the table

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criticize this drawing

>>3077023
Stop being lazy and do the whole thing.

>>3077023
Fucked up some measurements, nothing to criticize so far.

>>3077025
I don't know how to, I'm working on it though, figuring out the hair

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a portrait i did a while ago, is it aight?

>>3077023
you call this a drawing?

>>3077033
>Noodle hair and symbol drawing
At least you resized the image.

>>3077042
thx for the feedback

>>3077033
You can shade but you need to study facial construction

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How do you guys take such clear pictures of your drawings, damn

>>3077047
lighting

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>>3077034
How about now? Any better?

>>3077045
hey thanks man, i appreciate the advice. i did build it up loomis style but alot of it was hard since actual faces deviate a lot from the ideal sort of face you learn with loomis.

>>3077053
Not really, your lines are shit.

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>start reading Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain
>the bitch expects me to buy all this retarded stuff like crosshairs and viewfinders
I just want to fucking draw, I only have a pen and paper

>>3077057
Then read keys to drawing instead.

>>3077053
Do the coat.

>>3077055
Yeah, shoehorning every thing into the loomis mold wont work.

>>3077057
Just Draw, bitch. Go find some Vilppu

>>3077055
You are literally a shading god who can't anatomy to the point of symbol drawing. I removed the habit by constantly overlaying my draws and redrawing, flipping, tracing, then redrawing with absolutely no tracing, rotating... And now I can draw from references with much less problemo.

>>3077061
I see the measurement errors I made. Thanks.

Shilling my gay art discord
https://discord.gg/ARBGvEt
Criticism is welcomed

>>3077057
that book is gay

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So I'm fairly new to drawing, and even newer to digital drawing using a tablet + program (I'm using SAI)
Why is my line art in number three so fucking awful? Is it just a lack of practice? or am I doing something incorrect with the settings/program?
I feel like the sketch is so much better. Do I even need line art at all?

Pls no bully

>>3077067
goddamn, thanks for the compliment. those are good tips i heard having a grid overlay helps a lot too, thanks a bundle.

>>3077080
Because the sketch camouflaging all the mistakes. Throw some shading/color on that bitch.

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>>3077080

Not completely sure but I think it has to do with your lineweight

>>3077067
>You are literally a shading god
Um, not really, his shading isn't that good.

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hey /ic/ so I started drawing with keys to drawing and finished chapter 1. It feels like the book isnt giving me aby solid techniques other than just be observant. my friend whos in multimedia recommended loomis books. What would you guys recommend?

pic related

>>3077100
I recommend stop drawing Steven Universe fan art, and draw something more creative.

>>3077100
You have perfected your style, the best thing you can do is to leave /ic/ and never look back.

>>3077103
what do you recommend starter books or go to guides?


my goal is to be great at realism. It's not the only art I havebut I do have a hard time drawing complex things or intricate stuff. I can still do them but it will take alot of time to do and many restatements too

>>3077100

Observing objects from real life and drawing them is often considered the first step towards learning how to draw.

Finish keys to drawing, then move on to Loomis.

>>3077106
I had a few restatements but it took an hour to draw. I feel at this point I can only draw simple things

>>307658 I like it, reminds me of monsters from Ninja Gaiden.

>>3077110
No shit everything is hard when you are a beginner
start doing figure studies for a minute each and then start trying to draw the whole body
It will take you a long time but you have to power through it or else you will be stuck drawing shit art for a shit series

>>3077109
why do you recommend finishing the book first tho? it taught me to only keep drawing and refining my contours along the way and just be creative. I feel like I would do better following a specific method of drawing like how you would draw a face. I don't know what would best desu I just feel inclined to start out with something solid without having to pay another degree for it

>>3077003
Please don't listen to >>3077019's advice, they are evidently trolling.

>>3077115
You have only finished one chapter and you already think you know everything it teaches? I'd say keep reading and discover other helpful stuff.

Again, drawing from observation is the first step to learning how to draw, if you can't do that how do you ever expect to build up a visual library so you can eventually draw the cool shit you want to draw correctly?

>>3077115
It later gets into measuring and proportion and shit, that's real fucking important. You need to learn how to draw what you see first because that's what teaches you how to study. Later on a lot of guides won't even give you step by step instructions, they'll give you something they want you to remember and say "copy it until you remember it".

If you want you can also grind Draw a Box lessons 1-2 while you're working your way through. It'll improve your line quality (which doesn't matter in Keys to Drawing but will matter in basically everything else you ever draw) and teach you some basics on perspective and construction.

>>3077100
You know people will shit on you because for obvious reasons 4chan as a whole doesn't really like Steven Universe (sans /trash/ and /co/ every so often), but I wonder if the overly simplistic geometric forms are indirectly teaching kids some of the basics of construction.

>>3077108
Better than books : Nature

>>3077100
You are not ready to learn.

>>3077120
Fucking try it yourself you inbred turd
I've seen actually good artist do exactly that and it looked fine and worked.

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>>3077128
You need to be ready to learn ?

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>>3077123
>>3077124
yeah I guess I should finsih the book first. I'll give the draw a box try anon. Also here's another from observation

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>>3077123
>>3077124
yeah I guess I should finish the book first. I'll give the draw a box try anon. Also here's another from observation

>start Loomis' Fun With a Pencil
>it's actually fun

>>3077160
you ARE gonna make it

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>>3076055
r8

>>3077126
I would love to find some information on how to get kids interested in art... I want to take my nephews beyond colouring books ASAP because it just neuters the mind.

>>3076151
you're gonna advocate this book when they couldn't even nail the front cover?

>>3077188
He was memeing, you baka-ass motherfucker

>>3076160
poorshortening

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>>3076055

>>3076386
>>3076603
>>3076753
>>3076986
>>3077179
>outlines

>>3076671
I've seen your stuff all over /ic/ and you still haven't stopped giving your characters big pointy jew noses or microcephaly despite everyone's advice.

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Getting back into drawing after a decade hiatus. I cannot into proportions. My arms are the main offenders. Plus I don't really like the face, but I've never been good at faces

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Can PLEASE have a redline or explanation on what's wrong with how i drew these muscles?

>>3077174
no u

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>>3076055

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Cafe drawings. Please give me crit, as I'm trying to improve vastly before September

>>3077222

You're leaning the anatomy, but not the form. You have to learn how to draw lines not only to represent the anatomical shapes, but 3d forms as well. It's confusing as fuck at first. I'm personally still struggling, but understanding 3d form will help you out a lot in the long run.

Read LOOMIS' book, "drawing the head and the hands"

Read Michael Hamptons Book "figure design and invention"

Warm up with these videos every time you draw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K-EStL9yjQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk84EpHmZKQ

This information is in the sticky, which is why people tell you to read it.

>>3077252
I already read both of those books, and "drawing the head and hands" has no mention of figure anatomy, only HEAD and HANDS. How is that going to help me understand what's wrong with my torso? It's a quick sketch trying to test out the placement/shape of abs, obliques and pecs. I know I drew them wrong because I'm struggling to understand the obliques. I wanted someone who actually knows anatomy to tell me what they see.

This is why I hate posting on /beg/. Only other beginners will answer you and it's usually just them acting like they know more shit than you while not actually telling you anything useful.

>>3077242
I'm impressed!

Love,
beginneranon

>>3077242
I've seen you ask for crit a few times now, so I'll try and give you some advice that I found usefull even though you are much better than me. For years I have drawn with a weird chickenscrath scrawll, I started doing some training to get rid of it, after a few days to a week of drawing squares circles ect I started to get bored and began practicing the exercises with my left hand and weirdly enough when I went back to drawing with my right everything was different.

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>>3076060
I really need to draw bigger

I'm considering a drawing tablet, a really cheap one to start with (60-70 euro). I've never used photoshop and anything digital to draw, only drew with pencil and paper. Any tips? Must be weird to draw on a tablet and not look at it.

>>3077261
u mad and u bad

>NGMI

>>3077277
The wacom intuos pro S is like 80 euros but it's really great
>Must be weird to draw on a tablet and not look at it
It is for the first few months but you get used to it
Don't give up on digital art during these months
Also use the tablet as your mouse when you're on the internet to get used to ot quicker

>>3077290
That tablet is 200 euro's, if I'm searching right.

>>3077293
Buy Intuos Draw or Art or whatever, I don't know what's the difference between them, but it's probably something unimportant.

>>3077303
Alright thanks, any programs as well or just photoshop?

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Trying to develop a cartoony art style for a webcomic that I will inevitably never make.

What's the most immediately aesthetically ugly thing that pops out to you about my style?

>>3077306
>What's the most immediately aesthetically ugly thing that pops out to you about my style?
pretty much all of it

>>3077304
Photoshop, sai, Clip Studio Paint , Krita (it's free, and good, unlike gimp), these are the best and most popular programs.

>>3077306
The sketchy lines
tighten that shit up

>>3077306
read the god damn sticky

>>3077304
Take a look at Sketchbook Pro, by Alias (the Maya guys). If you install the free trial, it's the free version. It's a great lightweight drawing app, with some of the features of Photoshop, like layers. It's very good on mobile too.

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Is this what Loomis would have wanted?

>>3077304
I looked it up, it seems that you get a free program along with an Intuos tablet, Draw comes with Artrage Lite, Art with Corel Painter Essentials(tm) and Comics comes with Clip Studio Paint 2-year license and a discount for the full version. If that's the case, you should definitely get the latter, CSP is great, the other two are utter shit in comparison, and you'll definitely be buying a better program in two years if you get any of them.

My female reference folder is about 19.066 times bigger than my male folder.
Is this a bad thing?

>>3077311
>>3077324
>>3077335
Thanks lads

>>3077339
Yes, it means you're objectifying women, and basically, you rape every woman you draw.

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first time tablet
what now

>>3077351
Now you only need to learn how to draw.

>>3077339
do you have some pictures of female feet?
Asking for a friend of course

>>3077325
Well shit, now I see the wonky arm lengths

>>3077354
how do i git gud with a tablet

>>3077359
Draw more.

>>3077359
You are basically asking how to improve
Practice makes perfect. Now practice.

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Some value studies.

>>3077057
pen and paper is all you need

>>3077351
in no way are you in any shape to be using a tablet at this point

>>3077385
You can use a tablet at any point, in any shape.

>>3077397
Good luck working through both the software and how to draw at the same time.
Setting yourself up for failure tbhfam

>>3077261

Obviously you didn't read both books. Hampton's does get into anatomy.

>>3077017

When your face and figure looks like shit. Start worrying. He said that to people who can eyeball shit not to those who make mutated deformed human.

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so close but so far

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You drew him with a fat chin and basically a lion nose and mouth
fucking kek anon

>>3077427
Why do beginners insist on using terrible references?

>>3077427
Back to /fit/ with you!

>>3076605
i love this

>>3077469
it was great until i clicked on it

your values seem pretty good; draw bigger to improve the gradient on this paper. idk if the thumb's meant to be pushing skin that slants the nose, but make the creases on the nose more clear or make the lower line of the nose parallel with the lips. stop making harsh outlines. that being said, refine your edges. not every plane should have an "outline", but there should be a change in value to indicate the plane facing more/less toward the light source. Where you haven't refined the edges of the glasses, it just looks sloppy, so fix that. like on the nose, you put a line separating the bridge and the side of the nose, which just looks sloppy. Avoiding outlines will also help your eyes; they're just a mess of inaccurate, harsh lines that wouldn't be there in reality. I'll commend the construction of the two big swooping lines on the neck and jawline in the bottom right, but you don't need them.

>>3077427

study harder

>>3077469

Is that her hand?

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>how I feel 30 pages into fun with a pencil
what the fuck loomis

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Yes I used a reference for this and this is not original but I still would like critique thanks

>>3077479
what do you mean by "used" the reference

>>3077476

Not For Complete Beginners.

And if you can't draw a decent circle/ellipses loomis is going to be a torture.

>>3077473
Thank you!

>>3077092
That anon can be a traditional Krenz or a few other artists that shade like him. See how smooth the shading is? It's good hand control.

>>3077486
Found that out the hard way. Was enjoying it until that point. Back to Keys to Drawing I guess

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>>3077379
Good work so far. My only critique is that they lack form. You have a good eye for values but they are looking flat. In value studies, part of the practice is sculpting the volume of the object with value and lighting.

>>3077495
you've used like 2 values and expected it to work. the lighting doesnt even make sense (no shadow on left of lower right-side eyelid, lighter shadow on left side of neck compared to middle, weirdly dark on right side of neck, shadows follow contours that suggest that his face has the shape and texture of an egg, weirdly light around the creases of the nose, etc) Think about values relative to other values.

>>3077483
It means I looked at an anime drawing and drew what I saw because I want to get gud like them

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>>3076841
Finished.

>>3077515
idk the reference but it looks like you got a lot of shapes wrong.

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>>3077527
Yeah I didn't want it to look exactly the same as the reference though

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>>3077515
>anime drawing
No.

Basically every anime artist has learned the basics and can draw a realistic human being. You don't start with anime, you start with people.

>>3077531
why not

>>3077537
Because individuality holds some precedent in my artistic decisions

>>3077532
nah that's a myth, drawing anime is fine if you only want to draw anime

>>3077548

Post your work.

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>>3077555

>>3077557
>garbage doodles
nice "work" lmao

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>>3077555

>>3077559
>shitposting this hard
So who told you that myth? Or did you learn the basics and can now draw anime?

>>3077557

Jesus... ANIME we're talking about ANIME. Post your anime work. If you're going to talk shit like drawing real people before anime is myth. Post your anime work that you've done by only studying anime.

Nice bunnies though...

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>>3076071
Tips on rendering?

>>3077547
there's good individuality and there's bad individuality. Save individuality for when you have your fundies down and for when you have a better design sense. for now it's just hampering you understanding what makes x good. copying reference =/= sacrificing individuality. style comes naturally, stop forcing it.

>>3077576

And then there's delusion.

>>3077578
ngmi

>>3077578
recommending you dont try advanced shit at beginner tier is deluded? ok

>>3077273
That's quite interesting. I'll try it

>>3076393
>>Getting this worked up over circles

wew. Living proof that autism speaks

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>>3076657

>>3077275

Learn to do cleaner lines. You can see your mistakes better that way.

>>3077584
Yeah, it is.

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>>3076055

>>3077242
Not bad.
How are you comfortable drawing random people in public places? I'd feel really awkward, especially after they notice that I keep staring at them.

>>3077568
This would be about 10x better if you fixed the face.

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>>3077568

How the fuck do you draw from shoulder? What does that even mean? I can't make my shoulder grow an arm

>>3077778
it means you move your whole arm instead of just your wrist

>>3077778

>How the fuck do you draw from shoulder?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg21M2zwG9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFv1MnZi7No

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The ability to utilize references is an indispensable tool in the artist's toolkit; but the ability to draw without reference is also useful; and can be done for any number of reasons: just to have fun, to further develop your own style, to facilitate drawing more freely and directly from the mind, etc.

I'm no master artist - that much is clear. But, when drawing without a reference, what steps do you take in your art process?

So far, I've boiled my process down to 5 steps:
1. Draw a 'rough' from your imagination. This will guide your hand when trying to make your line-art.
2. Draw a cleaner, line-art version of the rough that you drew in the previous step.
3. Horizontally flip the line-art so that you notice how fucked-up it looked without you even noticing. Make adjustments here and there (I use photoshop's transform tool) until it looks decent both when flipped, and when non-flipped.
4. Fill in your line-art with colors.
5. Texture and shade dat shit.

Hey guys, are there any particularly fun online teachers to learn from? Something that possibly is like an art class without the dreariness of a text book. I'm not illiterate but I've found that learning from an actual person, hearing their voice, helps things stick in my head. Ctrlpaint and drawbox can't be the only ones, right?

>>3077838
I like Istebrak.

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Fuck traditional

>>3077886
>>3077886
>>3077886

>>3077886
>>3077886
>>3077886

>>3077886
>>3077886
>>3077886

>>3077738
I hear you, i just ran out of time

>>3077729
Often times people don't notice you. I've been drawing at the same cafe pretty regularly for the past two months and have only been noticed by a subject a few times. Anyway, most people don't say much. It helps that I live near an art school so there's a ton of other people who do similar things around town

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I draw a frog and kill myself cause the draw looks like shit

Time to learn anatomy for the 6th time in a row

>>3076337
Looking good buddy, keep it up.

>>3076344
Because fundamental construction is what leads to a picture actually looking good. Eyeballing leads to polished turds.

>>3076386
Yeah buddy you got to work on not symbol drawing. Draw what is actually there, not what you think should be there.

>>3076393
Drawing from the shoulder does not actually matter, it's just a preference.

>>3076527
Fuck off with that mentality in the /beg/ thread. Shitheads like yourself probably don't even post on /ic/

>>3077028
That's because you didn't construct it bro. Gotta draw the ear that's not there if you really want it to be perfect.

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so I have been trying to draw this character from a front facing angle but I am having a hell of a time trying to do it. not only do I have minimal skill it probably doesn't help that I am trying to base this piece off of someone elses style and design. regardless, if anyone can give me some much needed direction here for where the fuck i place shit and if this is even right right face shape, please let me know!

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Just started Hampton's figure drawing book, am I on the right track? Any colossal mistakes?

>>3079921
Every gestire (except the upper right, wich I referenced from the book) where made from the same model