/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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MUSCLE MEN

>>3063069

Just realised there's a new thread. Same questions.

>>3063072

Best and most efficient practice plan is to start with Scott Robertson How to Draw, Move into Peter Han and then Dorian Iten. As you learn perspective, use that knowledge to analyze/draw objects everyday. Peter Han will teach you how to make said drawings communicate better, but it requires basic construction skills that Scott can teach. Dorian Iten should be the last part, even later than Figure drawing/human anatomy if you are interested in that, for which I would recommend Michael Hampton either after or before Peter Han.

>>3063072
Pen and paper first is a good way to build line confidence. Starting out digitally can build some bad habits.

As for fundies, I reccomend doing perspective first, then figure, then light and color and lastly composition and design

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>>3063060
Really liked that picture from last thread.

Watercolors, do they go bad? My Grandfather was an artist and gave me his set after he lost his sight. I'd like to learn sometime when I'm less shit at art, but the paints have just been sitting on my shelf for years.

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Sporty and curve cars are way harder than boxy trucks, damn.

>>3063142
This fucking construction and your previous construction looks so fucking amazing. Great job anon. Now rendering.

>>3063178

T-thanks, Anon. I want to do 92 Constructions more to really refine the skill and increase my visual library. Hoping to Start Dorian Item soon, to learn how light works.

>>3063142

Are following some kind of exercise from somewhere?

Does anyone have a higher resolution version of Loomis Fun With a Pencil? The ones on their website are pretty shitty.

>>3063190

I am trying to imitate the exercises FZD students do. I did Scott Robertson How to Draw book, so I could learn how to construct things, and then just constructed things.

So, I've been studying proko's face construction videos.
Does he however have any video about putting all of it together?
I've done his fucking eyes and ears and mouths and shit, but trying to put them all together on the same face seems really fucking hard.

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>>3063197
>>3063190

Here's an example of what I meant with FZD students assignments.

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>>3063065

>>3063236
post construction bro

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>>3063255
My construction is very barebones, I draw the eyesockets, cheekbones, (these aren't prominent , so skipped ) and jaw., sometimes I leave those in a separate layer, but here I didn't The middle one is a not quite right layer that I got because I screwed the distances.
I moved the eyes up a bit, (thanks to digital) and it came out alright by my standards

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3 days ago

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>>3063353
Just got this done, any flaws/tips before it's a "polished turd" ?

>>3063353
i think both arms should be raised a bit more above the head, so the mallet is closer to a 45 degree angle. also the center of gravity in this one is off, adjust the right leg a little bit.

>>3063353
>>3063355
They're cute, the second one's left arm looks kind of off. Holding their arm like that doesn't seem very plausible, posing like that feels really unnatural/uncomfortable. maybe bring the elbow down a bit?

>>3063356
I ditched that for >>3063355
not to say I might not go back and try and salvage it. But thanks for your critique though, dynamic posing is not my strong suit.

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>>3063362
also here's a ref for skirts that may or may not be relevant.

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>>3063062

>>3063368
A more natural pose for the right hand could be great

>>3063368
nah.

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is there hope?

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Working on this, any tips?

>>3063389
Ew

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>>3063364

>>3063390
are you a chicken? cause it looks like you sure love scratching.

>>3063421
How do I get better lines? My hand is insanely unsteady,

>>3063390
clear your lines, and try to study specific parts of the body, the hard ones : The face, the hands and the feet
realistic ones.
But that's pretty good, I mean you try to make a cool pose, keep going

>>3063425
just redraw over it with a clear line, undo if you're not satisfied

>>3063425
Practice
make figures 8's
Utilize your shoulder more than your wrist
make straight strokes, don't jank it towards your vision. You want to make it as clear to you more than anyone what you're trying to achieve.

>>3063425
>>3063431
>Utilize your shoulder more than your wrist
this
Your stance is important, get up if you need to

>>3063452
>tfw I draw while laying on my stomach in bed

I've just gotten so used to drawing like this that I have more trouble drawing while sitting.

>>3063417
saved

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?

>>3063142
Hover car.

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Trying to place shapes on the head. For today, hair.

>>3063524

I did that on purpose because I like the effect. Makes it look like it's levitating. I'll make the next one be grounded instead.


Do you like Modern Tanks?

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WIP

Why is fucking face construction so hard?
Individual pieces are easy.
Just drawing from observing without construction ends up in immensively better results than when constructing.
So why is construction the complete such a fucking buttfuck?

>>3063368
Way too much purple. At least mess around with the saturation.

>>3063389
Looks kind of lazy. At least fix the head/hair.

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reposting since I'm a failure and didn't see the bump limit on last one

How's this? I should've made the jaw wider but aside from that do you have any advice?

And also how to effectively draw animal fur with a pencil?

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Sketching bees!

>>3063620

Post example of your work. Both from observation and construction.

>>3063142

Share your process anon?

>>3063660
Eye too far forward and his mouth ain't open enough other than that it's okay

Does photoshop not have a line stabilizer?

>>3063660

Studying the skull will help.

>>3063711
No but you can download Lazy Nezumi for it.

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Misato and Shinji anon from a few threads ago. I reworked the pose according to some suggestions, and also tilted Shinji's head forward rather than back (he's ragdolling, so I think it works better). Even though I'm referencing the Bourgeureau painting, I don't want the pose to be too identical, just evoke the scene.

I really want to nail the pose before I go anywhere else- does Shinji still feel too stiff to anyone else or just me?

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from what I can tell, I fucked up because the pelvic box is facing too far forward and isn't rotated enough to the left

right?

>>3063725
I like Misato's expression more in the first one, it's more evocative of her emotional state in regards to the anime, emotionally exhausted and just done with everything. It also reminds me of the art style of Akira

that's not to say the new one is bad or less good, I just prefer her (and honestly shinji's) expression in the first

>>3063512
I think you should totally rework the left arm and hand position on the broom thing. The arm looks better imo but the way the hand is it looks like this dude's wrist just snapped in half

I've always had trouble with muzzle placement on >furries and animals in general
how do you frame an animal or anthropomorphic face? Where does the muzzle go? How do you allude to depth without making it look like it's skewed half-way off their face?

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My 3d Hinge render

timelapse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JRulG0_5xM

>>3063584
I like it, the distant side of the face seems off though

>>3063829
Not memeing, needs loomis. Seriously.

>>3063826
There's a 3D board >>>/3/

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I could use some tips on this before continuing. How is the anatomy? Is the head size okay? How are the values and colors?

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Anyone else warm up with 30 second poses? Has it improved your figures overall?

>>3063868
stop chicken scratching

>>3063829
NGMI, stop masking symbol drawing as anime, try to study real heads and features.

>>3063849
Body looks deformed in pelvis area and ribcage, for rendering - try to think about materials that you're rendering, mainly fabric.

>>3063872
stop using that phrase incorrectly

>>3063888
you first

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>>3063762
Never thought I'd redline but I had to offer some advice.

With figure drawing I always start by identifying the center curve of the spine. Everything should be curved and twisted farther away from the viewer.

I'm not super into the box method because it doesn't make for naturalistic figures but I tried doing the box thing to show how such a pose would be pushed and twisted.

It's hard to get that eye-to-hand skill, so if you did this on a sketchbook while looking at the image on a screen I don't really blame you. Good start!

>>3063061
>>3063062
>>3063063

can we get some female poses next bread pls

>>3063762
yes, the perspective of both boxes is off

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>realising all my saved references are lewd
Sorry.

>>3063946
>>3063949
>>3063952
>>3063957
>>3063959
fuk ye thank boi

>>3063957
this photo is airbrushed all over her body. i hate it when they do that.

>>3063936
no offense but you shouldn't be redlining yet

>>3063620
humans are crazy good at recognizing faces.

Good to the point where it doesn't take a lot to be wrong for the whole drawing to be easily recognized as 'off'

>>3063936
Work on your perspective before redlining anyone.

>>3063820
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2MSGD61094

>>3063389
you have focused on some very weird things. your leg coloring is the most competent thing and it just gets rapidly worse the higher you go

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critique?

>>3063985
Fun fact: This is also why most people hate how they look in photographs, but like how they look in a mirror. Your reflection is by far the most common way you see yourself, so that's what your brain becomes accustomed to as your "true" appearance. But everyone's face is slightly asymmetrical, and your brain notices these differences when you see yourself in a photograph (since the image isn't mirrored), giving you a feeling that your facial features are somehow wrong or disfigured.

>>3063957
Nothing wrong with wanting to draw lewds, anon.

>>3064004
Question:

Is the open part on the ribcage really that small? I've been drawing it much much larger.

>>3064019
on females it tends to be. but the ribcage arc varies from person to person. that being said if you're anything like me youve probably been drawing it way too big

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Alright I'm done with this bitch.
Someone teach me how to paint hair.

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>>3063877
>>3063843
alright, guess I fell for the digital meme. back to traditional forever

>>3064022
What does digital have to do with it?

>>3064023
resorted to symbols because I lost the amount of control that I was comfortable with. After switching, I didn't know what the hell I was doing and just felt lost all the time. Being told to go back to loomis after 2 months of /beg/ was a good indicator for me to go back to studies

>>3064022
do you think this is better lol

>>3064030
That sounds like you just need to get used to a different medium, but it has nothing to do with your artistic skill.

>>3064022
Trad stuff is looking better, anon! Keep up.

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how do you avoid getting tired as hell after doing like 20 minutes of study, i was even copying annie mayz to try to make it fun

why am I having so much difficulty going from proko's "bean" to the "robo-bean"? I can't seem to nail it at all

>>3063936
yeah, the reference was on-screen, drawing on the sketchbook
thanks man

>>3063951
at least I'm starting to feel when stuff is fucked

>>3064050
>why am I having so much difficulty going from proko's "bean" to the "robo-bean"? I can't seem to nail it at all

fucking shit man, same here

>>3064052
this must be what "the learning curve" is.
I just can't seem to find the boundaries of the box at all, and I can't seem to get the dimensions right either and it always looks stiff and is never exaggerated correctly and...

I'm starting to figure out that while mechanical pencils are very nice for writing, they're very bad for learning how to draw

>>3064069
Yeah, they are good for lining though so don't abandon them completely.

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Ive already been drawing a year. I feel like it's still taking me way too FUCKIN long to get to this point (even if it's not finished yet).

>>3064022
>>3064030
There is still symbol drawing in your pencil sketches btw

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I consider myself a beginner. I want to get better, does anyone see where I can improve on going forward ?

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>>3064142
ye I'm shit and just got assblasted that nobody told me after so long. No point in dwelling on it anymore and I'm just gonna keep on doing studies

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>>3064118
Wow Anon, that face really is fucking dreadful. I've never seen symbol drawing this bad before. You should read the sticky or just give up on drawing altogether. Gosh.

>>3063679

I'll take some more pics for the next one if it helps. But what I do is just imagine the angle in which I would like to see the car, draw a box that represents that, run the boxes's lines back to the vanishing points and then just carve away the box and draw the model until it looks ok.

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>>3063377
What did he mean by this?

>>3063389
the balance is off too

>>3064146

Doesn't look like /beg/ stuff. Try to draw thread? Or consider your goals and move from there?

>>3064146
post something finished

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shitty jack of hearts i guess..

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>>3063868

Same dude here. I tried some more figures but without "chicken scratching" and the they look terrible.

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>>3063065

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How do I tackle legs (feet) and face? I am blind without a reference

I suck at drawing and want to quit but nothing else is fun or interesting. How do I practice 4+ hours at something that feels like a grueling chore?

>>3064281

Plan your lesson, take coffee, silence your mind and draw.

Is there a sketchbook you guys recommend?
I got this one
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0027A39PY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
but I think its killing my pens. They are all flat instead of round you know? They barely write on the pages of the sketchbook but work ok on regular paper

>>3064281
Experiment and explore.

>>3064285
Post sample.

>>3064285
as long as it isn't a spiral bound book, they fuck your drawings up

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>>3064316
heres some exercises i was doing the the other day. shitty pic sorry i dont have a scanner or anything just a scanner app on my phone
>>3064322
it is a spiral bound book

>>3064324
Did you not know how to draw lines or circles before? If not, your improvements are miraculous.

>>3064329
yeah they were pretty trash desu
i still need to work on them. i can barely draw a box to save my life

>>3064331
u draw lines n circles every day when u write letters dumb ass.

>>3064335
you haven seen me write letters
also i havent written a letter in over 2 days

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some still life for drawing 1 course assignment

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>>3063512
Anatomy is a meme in my eyes for non science students. However.

>>3064322
What do you mean?
I always prefer spiral bound ones because I sketch a lot outside and when I'm on the train. Being able to fold the pages around is really convenient.
I carry it around so I can make some mileage when I'm not at home, I don't care much for showing it around anyway.

>>3064349
she's slidign on bananas
>not natural
what did you mean by this?

>>3064069
I love them actually and all the amazing artists I follow use them too

>>3063679
>>3064190

Working on a A-10 Warthog. This is how is how I like to start, just a bunch of converging lines and a very messy rough in to figure out my proportions

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>>3064368

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>>3063584

I tried shading with a fountain pen

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attempt 2, which as I said last time I would try to do the face.

one anon told me that the way to capture likeness or to make something look less symbolish was to have more realistic rendering. So I tried my best at that, but mechanical pencil combined with laziness gives you the result seen. I was more worried with the angle of the head and the face as well as the general placement of everything, but I still struggle with making things symboly or stylized.

Any tips or help are appreciated.

I'm gonna keep trying to get her right, whether it be gesture, face, or just a full drawing because muh asian girls. Expect me tomorrow.

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oh something I forgot to mention, apologies for the poor image quality.

Keep it up anons.

>>3063060

Are there any videos to watch that can help you get rid of your symbol drawing? Like, an example of someone drawing without it being upside down while they explain their process?

>>3064390
Probably not exactly what you're looking for, but I remember watching this and thinking it was really helpful. Especially in the beginning how he sets up the drawing with angles etc. So yeah, you could always try putting it on in the background while practicing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP5WYXRfmM4&index=3&list=LLw7A_ctxUhyB61AI1lsiQqg

>>3064390
You just have to start by drawing simpler objects and then gradually moving to more complex ones. There's no tutorial for it because it's a matter of practice, not understanding

Watch these to get started:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/visual-measuring
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/visual-measuring-proportion
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/gesture-drawing-spoons

>>3064395
>>3064397

Thanks anons, I'll check these out

I'm trying to give myself a drawing schedule/lesson plan so I don't fucking just sit in front of a blank canvas for hours wondering what to draw.

Half hour each on fundies that I'm not crazy about doing:
Basic shapes, perspective, still life

Hour and a half spent practicing what I like:
Portraits, screenshots from TV shows, movies, or music videos.

Thats three hours every day. I turn 30 in about two and a half years. I don't want to suck by the time I'm 30.

What do you guys think?

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I tried following prokos ball shading video but mine just looks like a turd. What did I do wrong?

>can't draw portraits until I can draw 3d shapes
>can't draw 3d shapes until I can draw flat shapes

I'm so fucking mad, I can't even draw a circle but I want to draw portraits. How the fuck am I ever going to do this shit when I struggle at step fucking one??

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em, someone?

>>3064450
it looks like a chair

>>3064454
just start doing portraits, many artists do that too

>>3064461
anon told me that I'm just going in circles with my portraits, it's pointless for me to keep trying when I'm not learning anything

>>3064433
Sure. Maybe keep a diary/logbook thing of shit your should be focusing on or want to do next.

>>3064450
The edge between the light side and dark makes it look like you cut it in half.

>>3064455
Poor.

>>3064194
wow, they look stressed af, maybe they need to fuck sometimes

>>3064455

You're missing a bright spot, occlusion area and Cast shadow.

Also, try to follow the form a little bit more with your brush strokes. And if you're just doing value studies use a tool to actually get a good circle since it's the rendering that matters and not anything else.

>>3064463
Post one of your portraits.

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>>3064476
This was from a few weeks ago. I don't think I've improved since.

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>>3064483
This is from a couple days ago. I don't see any progress.

>>3064484
don't make strong lines that are supposed to be subtle. Like the lines around her mouth. This image comes off as traced because you're symbol drawing. Stop connecting lines as well. The hair is decent. treat the face in the same manner. The looseness the shapes, etc.

>>3064484
You've been posting these for a while now, but you never seem to take the advice given.

If you're going for outlined stylized portraits, then you're not doing too bad.
But if you're trying for a mildly realistic looking portrait, then you're not even trying at this point.

Who else can teach me good face construction, other than proko/loomis?

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>>3064380

Another one. I'm not sure if I should go over it again with darker values or just move on to the next one

>>3064548
Honestly, just build a portfolio dedicated to face for reference. Then you can get acquainted with different features and have mussle memory fill in the blank.

>>3064157
>>3064022
Okay, I really don't know why people think you have to "choose" anime vs realism.

First off, "choosing anime" will make you shit. Always. So fuck "focusing on anime".

Secondly, "choosing realism" doesn't mean NEVER DRAW ANIME. It means practice perspective, proportions, anatomy, etc, using realism. Because that is what anime is BASED ON. After your studies, draw anime all you want, but try applying what you've learned to it.

Also, digital has nothing to do with it. That's just the tool. Do not learn the fundamentals through a STYLE of drawing. (Anime)

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Is this any good?

>>3064547
I've been told to try to draw values, not lines. I try that but it comes out looking even worse somehow. I don't think I see or understand values properly. Yes, I'm trying, it just doesn't click with me.

>>3063389
Yo fuck everybody here anon, it looks good for a beginner, just need to do a bit more studying -- you have a lot of potential, and that's obvious from this piece :)

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>>3064686

>>3064656
from a purely aesthetic point of view this looks cool as fuck anon. would love to see more.

>>3064687
Is the ball coming from the side or from above? The way it's connected to the pole makes it seem that it comes from above, but you drew the movement as coming from the side

It's supposed to be a hockey stick rolling it.

>>3064706
How can I show the ball spinning/being pushed by the hockey stick?

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This is my first drawing from a reference, is there anything that is immediately apparent that I can work on? I think the spot above the thorax is out of perspective.

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>>3064547
I tried the advice given. It looks like a worse pile of turds than I've drawn in a while.

>>3064812
That looks 30x better than that woman you drew.

>>3064812
It looks better anon, don't be so down on yourself.

when people say practice with references first, do they mean looking at photographs/drawings and just redrawing it?

>>3064817
Ideally you would be drawing from life and doing studies of what you're seeing. Like, say you have a plant at home. Look at it and draw it

If you really don't want to do drawings from real life, use a photograph as reference and try to copy it. But a lot of the problems that you'd have when drawing from real life are already solved for you when drawing from a photo, so it's not as effective.

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Why are females so much harder to draw then males

I feel like I gotten pretty decent with drawing males but the moment I try to shift to doing any sort of females or any feminine features it starts coming out lopsided and generally retarded and or masculine

How do I into girls?

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5 minute figure study from a Croquis Cafe video.
Critique and advice are much appreciated

>>3064941
by actually knowing how a human face works instead of weebshitting when you don't have any control of the fundamentals

you're not afraid of studies, are you?

>>3064942
https://youtu.be/CaXhkqWdU1k?t=983
Couldn't link the video on phone properly

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>>3064948
I do weebstudies as an addition to regular studies
I just posted that as an example

>>3063936
>redlining when you don't even know what the fuck you're doing
the best meme

>>3064369

Looks great anon! I'm going to give it a go.

>>3064455

Use marquee tool for a perfect circle if you want to do this exercise. Unless you're going for random shapes.

>>3064004
pelvis is too small (at least if you're going for 120% anatomically correct shit)

The distance between the top of the pelvis and the bottom of the ribcage is usually about a "face third", some asian dude taught me that.

>>3064279
nice fourteen head

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i identify as a chicken

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>>3063060

So, I am going through the "Draw-A-Box" program, and I was wondering, is it absolutely necessary to draw from the shoulder pivot, since usually I do most of my drawing from my elbow and wrist, especially with regards to digital drawing and traditional sketchbook stuff. I've gone through the first lesson doing nothing but the exercises from the shoulder pivot so far.

Also, is any beginner material stuff welcome for review here?

>>3064942

Not bad, but try to move away from the construction line work if you are drawing from reference or life, especially with regards to life drawing.

>one day
>doing gesture drawings
>they're all on-model and look good considering my skill level
>another day
>can hardly even get the proportions right
>can't even really see the gesture in the references
>literally everything looks like garbage

what causes this

>>3064989
ur bad

>>3064991
thanks

>>3064824
Well I get that but I don't have human models available so I'll go with the photographs..

>>3064687
Anyone have any note fore the hockey stick/bomb?

>>3064813
Well now I feel kinda lost here. Just because of a bit of shading, despite the facial proportions being off, it's better than a non-shaded drawing with more correct facial proportions? Is that right?

>>3064686

>you have a lot of potential, and that's obvious from this piece :)

Okay, master. Post your work.

>>3065030

It shows form. That's what you should be looking at and think about when drawing face.

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>>3064971
that's at least a forty head my guy

>>3064968
is there marquee tool in paint tool sai?

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I've gotten to the modified contour drawing exercises in Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, but for the moment, I have neither a viewfinder nor the resources to make one.
Is it necessary to go through these exercises with the viewfinder, or can I simply draw my hand as I see it? Or is there a better alternative exercise entirely?

>>3064968
>>3065041
or should i use ps for this stuff?

>>3065046
Just buy a sheet of cardboard and a piece of glass.

>>3064992
just kidding. you're in the beginning stage so the reason that you're jump-skipping in quality is because either what you consider to be "good" is regarded as done well on accident - if you truly internalized and understood a concept you wouldn't be having one done well and one not done well. i assume you're in your first couple months so just keep drawing and you'll absorb information eventually

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>>3063067

I hate hands...

>>3065041

Oh, I thought you're using PS. I don't know anything about SAI. You can always google circle images and use that as base.

>>3064989

This actually happen to me. feels like I'm back to square one. I don't know why but the next day it's back and I kinda improved. Weird.

Just take a break or start drawing anything other than gestures for the day.

>>3064343
eliminate your harsh outlines and smooth out your blending

>>3064571
move on and learn from your mistakes. you will learn much faster by doing several small practice pieces than one big one. Not bad work, just use more focus.

>>3064942
keep it up. Try to make your strokes more purposeful. its very loose, which is okay, but the more you tighten up your strokes then your figures will be less messy and clarity is something you want, anon. it will show you what mistakes you need to tweek.
and on a side note, the hand is not that large, watch your proportions.

Question from a novice drawer: How does one enjoy drawing when one has so many failures? Mastery is built on failure, I know. But where does a novice artist find enjoyment in being unable to draw well the things they want to draw or things they would enjoy drawing? I want to keep going but it's simply no fun when nothing turns out right.

>>3064350
if you do any serious shading with graphite the pages will move around and smudge. If you just do line drawings/pen its fine

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How is my anatomy senpaitachi? I'm waiting for based anon to upload Proko's course :(

>>3065139
In the beginning you learn the basics very quick so fun comes from improving. Once you stop seeing progress then you go draw the stuff you like.

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How do i get into the world of drawing landscapes and enviroments? I have been grinding only people, anatomy and all that stuff but today i wanted to try landscapes since i find them beautiful, i checked Loomis (Fun with a pencil) since it has perspective information in it but i feel kind of retarded since i dont seem to understand Loomis on this subject.

Pic related (not my work), i know it's not perfect, the author of this makes mistakes in a lot of his works but i still enjoy his works, i would like to do the same, i am not looking for perfection but i neither want it to look so retarded even a normie can tell it is retarded

>>3064354
The curve is like a rounded rectangle, I'd probably expect it to be something smooth. The piece is still quite good.

>>3065142
There are so many resources for anatomy, work on something else in the meantime.
There are tons of problems, especially in the limbs. Get some reference and get to work.

>>3063725
I liked the expression and the linework more in the first - it's only the left arm pose and the pose of the left foot that gives me concern. If you ever go digital you'd be an artist god.

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>>3065158
I was thinking of using Anatomy for Sculptors to study, but I'm still a little clueless as to how to study anatomy.

Should I get one muscle group or like the hand and just draw it 100 times? Something like that?

I'm waiting for Proko's course because based anon said it has some good exercises... I don't mind grinding to really get something, I just need guidance, I'm a little bad at figuring what I have to do to get better at something, which is why I come here and ask...

>>3064975
Yes, now shut up and use your shoulder more faggot

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>>3063063

>>3064207
honestly wish I had something like that. That picture is as far as finished I've gotten.

>>3064204
Thanks I guess, I don't beleive I'm good enough for that thread as yet.

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Been doing some perspective cuboid drawings since yesterday, because evidently I forgot how to use perspective in basic object drawings. This is also my Day 17 drawing, i like how I managed to freehand all the lines.

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Big eyes, big ear, wrong head tilt. I guess I need to prop my clipboard up to be similar in angle to my computer screen or something.

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Noodling...

>>3065265

>>3063061

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>>3063063

>>3065258
clean!

>>3065260
this looks cool anon, i like it

>>3064381
Hey buddyo, can you post that ref in full size please

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someone draw the muscles over this pic

>>3065260
wat pencil u use?

>>3065323
Stop being lazy and do it yourself

>>3065327
stupid bitch, why would i ask if i knew how

>>3065330
google anatomy, go figure it out. that's the whole point

>>3065335
where does ur stupid ass think i got the picture?

>>3065337
>>3065330
Ow the edge.

>>3065337
Good job, you know how to use google. Now do it again, this time look up "leg anatomy". Then trace it on to your picture. Easy, right?

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>>3065323
Alright I think I got what you're looking for

>>3065343
Not them but Surface Anatomy REGIONYOUAREINTERESTEDIN will almost always yield better results.

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How do I add contrast to a drawing when the reference doesn't have much contrast? Also I fucked up her eye and face and it's all symbol drawn shit but whatever.

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>>3065357
Fuck I did so bad. I'm mad at myself >:(

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>>3065357
>>3065360
overlay and analyze the mistakes my dude

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That's so "guy who draws awkward arms just to show off horribly drawn breasts."

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Okay, how do I start?

>>3065363
Gonna start using this advice

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>>3065382
You just described my entire art existence

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>>3065387
>>3065382

Noobs

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>>3065390
>calls others noobs
>has poor girl shoulder and neck anatomy
>mfw

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>>3065402
Wait, I've got something better

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>>3065404
If you're going for sexy cartoons study Shane Glines or Joel Jurion because although you have decent gesture you don't quite have enough solidity in your drawings. Pic related is from Joel Jurion's stuff

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>>3065409
Here is some Shane Glines as well

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>>3065409
wew look at that!
Thanks!

>Scooby penis
KEK!

>>3065412
what a menacing dong

>>3065409
Why the fuck does scooby have a circumsized cock! he's a dog!

>>3065409
holy fuck that second panel is literally the hottest velma i've seen. def gonna check out this joel jurion guy

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>>3065442
You bet!

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trying to draw the prime minister of Japan from reference, but how do you draw hair from reference(and how to draw hair at all)

>>3065491
Look up ribbon method by gurney it will explain all

>>3063389
Yes lots of hope just more practice

>>3063670
kinda bland

>>3064381
You need to measure more and stop drawing symbols. Look at the mouth, nose, eyelashes: they do not look like your reference's.

Try flipping your ref upside down and drawing it like that.

How many hours a day for a month do I have to put in to call myself a decent beginner? Or atleast see some improvement

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>>3063065
Symbol drawn trash. Goddamn, why can't I see values at all, and why can't I stop fucking symbol drawing?? I'm so fucking mad

>>3065506
If you can't see values I think it's time to stop drawing faces and actually do value studies of simpler objects. Start with the basic shapes and work your way up from there.

Just doing the same thing over and over is useless if you don't learn anything from it.

>>3065508
I just can't see values at all. I tried on an egg and it was so shitty anon thought I was trolling. Are my eyes too crippled to learn how to draw properly?

>>3065492
>ribbon method by gurney
tnx senpai, just looked it up, seems really useful

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>>3065511
Start with this. Don't draw face lines, draw whatever shapes you see.

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Halp

>>3065511
No they're not, you just don't know what to look out for yet.

Get a book/tutorial somewhere about the basics of light and how it works. There's the Crtl paint tutorials about rendering, Light for visual artists, etc.
Just try looking around for one, everything says the same, just in a different way so it's up to you to pick what you follow.

Also, try converting your images to black and white at first, it makes it a lot easier to see values that way.

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>>3065515
Just tried this. I gave up this far in. The result is worse trash than I've drawn in weeks. The only thing I learned from this is that I'm apparently too retarded to draw.

And yes I've seen that "use your EYES" infographic, it doesn't work when I'm this goddamn retarded.

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So I just wanted to draw some cartoon tits

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>>3065604
But at the end, I didn't want to cell shade so I painted instead and made this thing

I know it has flaws and you can pin point every one of it if you want, if you excuse me, I'm off to beat my meat.

>>3065602
You have seen it, but have you actually read it? Because you literally did nothing of what it says.

Stop trying to draw a face with as little lines as possible

>>3065606
I think the flaw is in the artist that made it, not what the artist did to the paper

>>3065602
Alright then, fuck off you mopey cunt.

>>3065505
Jut start drawing and see what you need to do. Some people need to grind like crazy, some people pick it up quickly, we can't read your mind and tell you how much you need to practice and what your strengths are. Just draw.
>>3065602
Alright, asshole, you've been whining nonstop for almost a fucking week now. You've been given the same advice over and over again. Either take the advice multiple people have given you on TAKE A BREAK FROM FACES AND GO PRACTICE VALUES or fuck off with your 'guys I'm so stupid :ccccc how do I do this :ccc //SIGH// I'm just too stupid :cccc' it's like reading a goddamn Instagram bitch crying about how she can't contour

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I'm phone posting so I'm not sure how big this pic will be but sorry if it's huge. What do you think of my 30 second figure on the left?

>>3065260
blog?

>>3065646
Looks like you rushed it.
With a really quick sketch I'd go for lines that I'm more confident with. Play to your strengths. With practice you can fill in the blanks later.
The important thing though, is like handwriting you have to be able to understand it.
I personally can't quite work out what's going on with the legs and feet. But if you can, that's what matters. It's your study after all.

>>3065260
How long did you spend on it?

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Wip

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>>3065322
This is the one I found and use. Sorry it's not the best quality.

>>3065498
Got it. Will do after PGL day 4 ends.

What are some good exercises for practicing values? I don't have any eggs or fruit at home and I don't know what else to use.

>>3065706
There's a crazy thing called google that can help you with that or just you know grab whatever and shine some light on it

>>3065706

Master studies.

Take really appealing paintings and greyscale them, look at what the people you like do with their value arrangements.

I can't really think of a good painting that has bad values, it's such an important element of making an appealing piece, so you'll have plenty to learn from studying work you admire.

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Did this 2 days ago, aside from hands is there anything else terrible?

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All other faults aside, how do I get her to look AT you instead of through you.
It's really bugging me

>>3065727
her face is rotated so she looks away.. the angle is just wrong but maybe if you put her right eye more to the left it could help

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>>3065727
wtf it's upright on my desktop

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Just tried a basic shapes value study. Am I going in the right direction here? I feel like it's all wrong.

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>>3065731
reference

>>3065725
You've drawn the head too flat and at the wrong angle so the perspective of the head doesn't match that of the body.
Do the head again, tilt it a bit and consider the perspective more this time.
Also you could better define some of the details like the skulls on his belt or the big teeth on the head.

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>>3065727

>>3065725
His knee is a part of the fur instead of being his knee.

>>3065736
Erm, thanks I guess.

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>>3065727
Eyes that are focused on something look a bit cross eyed.

it's only a small thing but it can make a big difference it's more obvious in three quarter view but I cba to plug in my tiny wacom tablet

>>3063353
leave beg

>>3065739
What do you mean you guess? It it not good enough for you? I even rotated it.

>>3065731

Perspective is off so you have to play closer attention to that and there are also ways to project shadows in perspective which are useful to learn. The sizes are wrong too (cone is actually much taller, cylinder is narrower) so watch out for that too. Also helps when you are starting out to draw through your shapes and construct them properly with perspective by drawing the backs of each object too. It's not good at all and pretty much all wrong but you are in the right direction because you're drawing so keep doing it

>>3065754
I was more focused on the values than anything else. Is that what you meant by "no good"? Because if I fucked that up too, then I'm completely lost and don't know what to do now.

>>3065748
Oh I see, I'll try playing around with doing that on the next one then, thanks!

>>3065750
I didn't notice that you moved the eyes, you should have said!
Thank's a lot then instead!

>>3065757

Well it takes time, you seem to be rushing it with a pencil that's too dark (the low quality scan doesn't help this). You have to slowly build up the values by making a series of overlapping lines, not by scribbling in the values. Also don't say you were only focused on values so the rest doesn't matter; it still does. One of the reasons it looks so flat is you lack an understanding of perspective. If you had that, building up values becomes easier because you understand how the object is shaped and it's shadows, as opposed to the flat drawing which you have.

Like I said though, keep doing value studies as well as looking at how better artists have done it or watching peoples techniques on youtube and you'll start to get a better feel for it

>>3065758
I'm not that anon but geez if you didn't even notice the eyes were different from how you did them yourself you should get your eyes checked

>>3063829
i like your work a lot, the trolls can fuck off. also, though it is possible to symbol draw your way to victory itd be preferential for you to think about form while doing so. Your most repeated mistake is refusing to shorten the eyebrow or put it further than the eye in the 3/4 position. I like your style, keep at it!

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>>3065763
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>>3065762
I done fucked up

>>3064941
tell me if you drew that picture so i know if i should waste my time

>>3063829
did you use Stamper as a reference?

>>3065666
Looking cool, but the dude's eyes are going different ways like he's got a glass eye or something

>>3065199
nice compliment phishing faggot, get out of beg or ban

>>3065763
>>3065764
son I get you're trying to encourage but you literally posted a picture with loomis-reinforced corrections. this famalam needs loomis, regardless of if they have a nice style

it is not trolling to tell him to get some loomis in his life, it's actually more harmful to suggest neglecting those fundamentals

>>3065789
are you using loomis as a substitute for skill? I know roughly how a loomis head is built, but i just symbol drew the corrections. Didnt know loomis was slang for understanding your lines of symmetry and a bit of innate knowledge.

>>3065797
>i know roughly how a loomis head is built
case and point. you can symbol draw and stretch proportions for style all you want but it makes no sense to do so without the fundamental structure.

you're the one trolling him by not suggesting he practice something that gets across the fundamentals of drawing a head in perspective so well and easily, as opposed to 'understanding lines of symmetry'

>>3065810
the sticky is where the real tips are stored, im just here to spread the fun way to learn to draw :)

>>3065811
so you are trolling, by giving the beginners here who want to learn how to draw effectively half-assed methods that will trip them up later instead of the fundamental building blocks that would help them the most

drawing isn't just 'lines and symmetry", and telling someone that is going to cause endless hours of guesswork and frustration.

it's capturing 3D forms in a 2D space. this is why the loomis method and draw a box method are so accepted. no one is telling this guy to change his style, but to go back and practice the stuff that matters so he can perfect it.

>>3065815
what im saying is symbol drawing + just thinking about form is enough to reach good gains, and makes you less likely to quit/more likely to draw more because you enjoy.

Besides, for an artist like him Im probably gonna end up helping him multiple times over months of time just due to the fact that the way he draws is conducive to redlines. My image even illustrates an example of shoulder+neck boxes.

Though it may not be the most efficient, I figure he already has the presence of mind to just read the sticky if he wants an optimal solution.

Theres no tripping up, just some plateaus which eventually are addressed by form. He doesnt even put his ear on a straight line with the eyes so that comes first, not construction imo.

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>>3065820
that's all well and good, my point is just it's still stuff covered in loomis and it shouldn't be that frustrating, nor should suggesting "loomis" be considered trolling.

>He doesnt even put his ear on a straight line with the eyes so that comes first, not construction imo.
but that's still loomis, pic related?

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might as well dump some more loomis while i'm here

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done, read the book for the rest, kids

>>3065831
>tfw loomis doesnt believe in the eyebrow connecting to the profile.

>>3065876

>>3065782
Thanks sometimes it's hard to see your own mistakes.

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Could someone please tell me why this is complete trash?

>>3066258
No understanding of face structure. Stop drawing anime and study these:
>>3065830
>>3065829
>>3065828
>>3065823

>>3066365
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. If you have time could you be a little more specific? Because i dont see what's wrong.
I just get an overall shitty vibe from it..

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do you guys have any tips for my anatomy?

reference:
>>3063061

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>>3065768
Ye I did

Any link to PDF downloads for recommended books like Keys to Drawing ?

>>3064021
Fix that nose

>>3064045
by drawing more, its the same with running
you need more endurance