Anyone else bogged down with ic's unrealistic expections

>>3063032
Nah. Luckily, I learned about art before 4chan even existed, so I have no worries the autists here will effect me in any way.
I came into this forum thinking some actual artistic advice was being given, but have learned it's just another 4chan forum, full of autists and neckbeards like all the other forums, engaging in the same patterns of behavior as the rest of 4chan.
In other words, it's a toxic crab pot that does much more harm than good. For serious learning, it's the last place anyone should be spending time. It's all destructive memes and unrealistic expectations and bizarre flights of fantasy. This is a group of crabs who insist talent doesn't exist - I can't take that kind of mindset seriously at all.
The try hards and neckbeards are bad enough, with their "if it costs money it's bad" bullshit (we get it, you're a fucking cheapskate and your shitty free drawing app is free) but what's worse is the overwhelming number of participants here who seemingly draw with one hand on a pencil or stylus, and the other on their penis. It's hard to take that group seriously, too. And they're all looking for shortcuts and step by step instructions to "git gud", because they have no real interest or passion or talent for art, they just want to jerk off. (Which is 90% of 4chan, anyway) These spastic, retarded monkeys post thread after thread, wanting their hands held, thinking there's ONE brush to use, and if they use it, boobs will magically happen. It's just sad and pathetic.
And the worst, are the so-called "experts", or posters who think they're artist's, who instruct others into ridiculous endeavors, usually starting with Loomis, and ending with Loomis, because they're not artists, they just pretend to be artists, and they don't know how to instruct anyone how to progress on from the beginning steps, because they've never done it themselves. Thus you ave an endless stream of beginners who listen to these frauds.

>>3063032

>don't for example see amazing figure drawing skills from FZD students.


That's because they are training to become concept artists, silly.


I am way more tired of the lazy asses who think it is impossible for people to work 6 to 16 hours a day and get good very fast, desu.

>>3063032
Good ol' opportunity. I spent most of my life in a shithole, discovered drawing late because I was busy living a shitty life trying to fit in with shit people, I'll have to face tough times financially in the future and this stresses me the fuck out.
Add a slew of personal issues that snowballed through years of shitty experiences and crappy health, of course I'm not going to improve as steadily as a kid with supportive rich parents who sent him to study at Feng Zhu. The judgemental folks can go suck a cock.

>>3063087
And yet you're still here.

>>3063097
The number of hours is irrelevant if you're not using them properly

You can get obsessed with the hours you draw every day, if you're not actually thinking, solving problems and putting in practice they're pretty worthless.
I know this is obvious advice, but stop thinking in hours and think of it as "what do I need to do to improve today?" even if you put just a few hours on impoving it's better than putting 16 hours on grinding something over and over with zero thought.

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>>3063109

>Always assuming the worst case scenario
>It is impossible to work 6 to 16 hours a day with a plan you made yourself, critically thinking what you are doing and why

>>3063110
I didn't say that. Maybe you're the one assuming the worst. I was just adding on what you said, correcting the advice.

Personally, most I did was 12 hours, no sleep, working on one piece. I don't think I could do something like that often, but that's just me.

>>3063119

There are people out there willing to do anything, from changing diets and sleep patterns to take drugs. I myself have been one of those people, and and thanks to it I have improve in a short time, what many in here don't in years.


Is it a sane thing to do? That's up to you to decide, but I am tired of people saying it is impossible.

>>3063125
I didn't say it's impossible, though. FZD students break their arms with practice every day, like that anon that posted here not long ago that taped a pen to their shaky hand to continue drawing. All I was saying that the number of hours you do isn't as important if you're not thinking critically of improvement as you work.

Funny you should post that pic OP. Vetyr got good in about 2 years and now gets 30,000 likes on some of her drawings. I doubt she worked 16 hour days seeing as how she is/was a high school student.

>>3063032
No. Because i realize that they're unrealistic.

>>3063087
>These spastic, retarded monkeys post thread after thread, wanting their hands held, thinking there's ONE brush to use, and if they use it, boobs will magically happen

I don't like this meme. That one brush for me makes me comfortable with drawing on the computer as if I were working with traditional pen that I'm used to. I just think differently with my own modified brushes. It's like fitting on the perfect glove. It isn't about newfound magic thanks to a brush but comfort.

>It's all destructive memes and unrealistic expectations and bizarre flights of fantasy.

Anyone who has been here long enough knows it's just ironic shitposting. Artists need an outlet to /vent.

>And the worst, are the so-called "experts", or posters who think they're artist's, who instruct others into ridiculous endeavors, usually starting with Loomis, and ending with Loomis, because they're not artists, they just pretend to be artists, and they don't know how to instruct anyone how to progress on from the beginning steps, because they've never done it themselves. Thus you ave an endless stream of beginners who listen to these frauds.

That shouldn't be a problem if you've "learned about art before 4chan existed." But then that would mean you care about /ic/s users, your competition. That would be contradicting yourself. Nobody is out to put anyone down and those that fall for what you said deserve it. We don't need to oversaturate this field like programming.

>>3063097
My point went over your head. I'm saying that the reason they are able to show amazing skills in a short period of time aside from their regime and mentor-ship is because they are specialized in one single thing. Whereas, with /ic/, there is this expectation that you could get good at EVERYTHING in a short period of time.
>>3063131
According to Vetyr, she draws like 5 hours a day, she also started as a teenager, had access to great resources combine that with her natural talent and you essentially get a prodigy who's able to improve quickly in a short period of time. Although, it seems like she's stagnated since the beginning of 2017. Which is to BE EXPECTED.

I always see these stupid comparisons between sycra and vetyr. Like vetyr got as good as sycra in 2 years. Well so what? It's not vetyr is going to be 5 times better in 8 years. The reason why she improved so quickly among the other amount of variables is because she went from beg to "pro level" whereas going from "pro level" to "mastery" takes much much longer.

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>>3063032
I grew up with an autistic perfectionist older brother so I'm used to it.

>>3063087
Who's saying talent doesn't exist? I've never seen an anon say that.

>>3063225
Nevermind, just saw some retards arguing about it.

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>>3063032
>taking /ic/ this seriously, ever
Jesus christ. Just take advantage of the resource threads, post your work from time to time and scroll through to find some criticisms/philosophies that you can apply to your own work now and then. Literally not gonna make it

>>3063360
This.
Just use the resources that apply to you and what you're trying to do and ignore the obnoxious drama/trolling

>>3063087
And you're above that how exactly? All I see is another whiny d/ic/k.

>>3063143
>But then that would mean you care about /ic/s users, your competition
>Your competition...
You fucking idiot.
>>3063087
>seemingly draw with one hand on a pencil or stylus, and the other in their cunt.
FTFY.
This board is at least half female. It should be immediately obvious.

>>3063225
You havent been reading enough threads then.

>>3063032
You should not be here to meet anyone's expectations.

You should be here to download some pirated books and videos, get a fresh pair of eyes on your artwork, get some answers to technical questions, have some occasional fun in the drawthreads, then move on.

Getting mired in the stupidity of /ic/ is your own fault.

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>>3063198
hey, it's vetyr. Quick correction, I couldn't draw for 5 hours every day. Maybe a few fridays or saturdays a month I could manage that; vast majority of the time it was 0-4 hours a day.

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There's one thing that's really bothered me about /ic/ for a long time: /ic/ has absolute tunnel vision when it comes to making a living with their art (usually illustration).

For people who don't know what to do in that regard: never, ever, ever listen to /ic/ when it comes to career advice. /ic/ is filled with inexperienced amateurs claiming they "know the industry" and giving life advice when they themselves have never had a stream of well paying, steady, commercial work.

If you make a thread asking how to many money from illustration, no one can tell you what to do beyond drawing porn and starting a Patreon. It's either that, or you become a fantasy/sci-fi/concept artist, and you circle jerk around Feng Zhu or Ruan Jia.

>>3063360 has the most realistic expectations on what to get out of this board. It can be a decent place to get some simple quick feedback on your current WIP, but be wary of any career advice you might see here - it's likely being written by someone who has never accomplished anything.

>>3063407
>You fucking idiot.
not an argument

>>3063668
It's hilarious how most posters here all want to work for concept art and draw animu girls with spiky pauldrons, and act as if that's the single only possible way to get big in art. Completely neglecting that in the actual art world, people like FZ or Jia aren't even on the radar. Not that they are bad by any means, just that you won't become a rockstar working for Blizzard.

>>3063668
>gives advice
So what kind of work do you do anon? Oh, you don't do shit? Well, guess we know who not to listen to.

>>3063665
What would you say helped you git gud the most?

>>3063689
It's not even becoming a rock star. Almost every art director or creative director, account agent and such at ad agencies have art/design degrees, and make a lot of money. An art degree can open a lot of doors. Everyone acts like a BfA means living in your parents basement, when it's a degree, and degrees qualify you for work.

The vast majority of posters here are not artists, will never be artists, but larp being artists, and spew their fantasies of how things work, daily. There are some real artists here, and people who might become one, but the majority are just cheapskates who want fetish porn for free.
That's why you rarely see good advice on how someone can move up a rung, moving through the basics. That's because the majority of people here have never done it themselves. They don't know what to tell someone who's finished Loomis, because they've never moved past it. They shit on art school - but that's what art school is FOR - someone leading the way.
There's also a disproportionate number of people here with severe emotional problems, going by the number of "Anyone get so depressed that..."" threads. I recall art school being a positive place, with people wanting to try everything, who couldn't wait to get to their easels or drawing tables. I was the same way - I was in heaven, because I was able to draw and paint all day! I never sat there and got depressed, or made unrealistic schedules, reducing the experience to a grim, passionless grind. It was FUN. It was interesting. There was energy in everyone, in a creative environment, that spurred everyone to even more creativity. This place is an echo chamber of autists and manic depressives.
Imagine if you took the worst autists and neckbeards and borderline retards in school, and made a special class they all attend, all day. Every day at 11am, they have an hour of arts and crafts. That's this forum.
I try to help the few that are seriously trying, but my only advice now is, stop reading /ic.

>>3063704
Right back at you, fuckface - what's your resume?

Here's mine:
BfA with concentration in Illustration, and minored in Design.
Have worked freelance as an illustrator starting in college, and have worked steadily for over 25 years. I've worked for major record labels, and book publishers.
Work full time as a designer, art director, and illustrator. The odds of you owning something I was involved in is high.
I think I qualify as "artist".

You wanna play resume throwdown, lets play, motherfucker. C'mon. You ran your mouth, now it's your turn.

>>3063733

oh yeah well I work for the Trump Administration


post your work

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>>3063718
I'm only ok at drawing people, and for the most part I just drew them over and over and over again. I filled up maybe 7-8 sketchbooks with stuff like pic related, and eventually I transitioned to digital to figure out stuff there.

>>3063742
Lol this nigger sits in moms house hahahahahah

>>3063828
You mean you just used references and drew them over and over, no books or tutorials?

Thanks for your reply by the way. Stunning work.

>>3063836
haha :)

>>3063143
>brush meme
Naw it’s not for tradfags like you. He’s referring to teens/noobs who are amazed by digital like it’s magic and think that using a special brush will turn them into sakimichan within a week.

>>3063828
these are from imagination ?

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>>3063733
>You wanna play resume throwdown, lets play, motherfucker.

For such a veteran of the industry, you seem to have a lot of insecurities about it. You'd imagine you'd be more confident in your abilities as to not try and show off on an amateur drawing board.

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>>3063726
imagine being so mad that you felt the need to type all of this. And I thought I was a cunt.

>>3063668
vet here, 12 years deep, this post checks out.

This board is an echo chamber of 11th hand knowledge sourced from industry burnouts looking to make a buck selling tuts or promote their ""personal project""

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>>3063668
>If you make a thread asking how to many money from illustration, no one can tell you what to do beyond drawing porn and starting a Patreon.


>>3063733
>art director

you see the problem here, right? You had a very atypical experience and are acting like it can happen for anybody.

>>3063198
>vetyr
>a prodigy
>all her works are overly saturated and rushed studies
holy shit I swear sometimes the compliments you receive on this board are the complete opposite of what you would expect. on one side you get trolls hating on everything, and on the other you get begginers calling everybody prodigies...her work is appealing, but she's nowhere near prodigy level. what the fuck would 15yo da vinci be when he painted with verrochio then?

>>3063982
Vetyr is not a prodigy because she sticks to her comfort zone. The real prodigy expands to the point you can't believe he can be that good, while Vetyr just does the same stuff again and again.
>y-you are just jealous

Nah, I am better than her but I can tell that she has some potential, she just doesn't use it.

>>3063988
Show us.

>>3063956
Just so you know, I'm >>3063956 . It looks like you might have thought I also the other person. Completely unrelated - >>3063733 seems like an arrogant douchebag.

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>>3063990
Not him, but you act like being better than vetyr is a huge accomplishment. While it's true that I've been drawing longer than vetyr(5 years), I can confidently say I'm much better than her. All she does is draw boring realistic shit

>>3064025
Another dun krug.

>>3064025
why would she hold her pipe like that, thumb should be on the bottom. and if she flipped her wrist then the mouthpiece would be on the other side. have you literally never smoked in your life

>>3064025
Is this really what you have to show for? Looks like 45 minutes in cps tops. also her legs look really weird, dude

What I hate the most about /ic/ is that a large majority of people think the only way to "make it" in the art world is through illustration. The art world is full various jobs, and a lot of them are specialized.
ConceptArt is not the only thing that exists in the art world, and even within concept art, you have people that might really only specialize in one thing like environments, textures, character design, etc. So it's not even like you have to grind loomis for hours a day to make it.

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>>3063838
bless you, and yep I just went on boards like /fit/, /s/, /hm/, and /soc/ and I drew anatomical features or full bodies repeatedly. No books, no tutorials that I know of.
>>3063896
For the most part no, though I did invent some hands, part of the top woman's face, and the lower half of the far left woman's legs (too lazy to do feet that night I guess?)

>>3063665
>>3064109
why don't you put some more effort into your rendering ? all your stuff looks like it's rushed and unfinished. would look at least a little better if you cleaned up your strokes and not letting them smudgy like that..

You all are the type of people who get so assmad over one of the comfiest shitposting boards on this website that you need to make threads venting about it. You think you can make it in the art world with such thin skin? Literally none of you are going to be successful

>>3063828
cool.

>>3064116
I do put effort into my rendering! But I see exactly what you mean, I have to get much better before the effort shows. I'll try my best to make it happen, ok?
Oh also, do you have any tips to make something look more finished?

>>3064128
Can I be your friend vetyr

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>>3063684
Oh, I'm not trying to argue with you, I just think your attitude makes you an idiot and a piece of shit. Pic related.

>>3064131
not vetyr but just wanted to say it's a no from me as well.

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>>3064131
sure thing compadre
>>3064135
you can be my friend too

i just google'd vetyr and was not impressed. i thought you guys were talking about a professional level artist that got gud after just 5 years.

i dont take ic seriously most of the time desu

>>3064136
nvm just found out you're a girl so i'd like to take my post back.

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>>3064128
you can do 2 things, 1 is to manage your strokes better in a single direction, with minimal or coherant stroke pattern, you kinda do it sometimes but some random strokes thatr shouldn't be there ruin it everytime, best exemple is on the rib cage.

second is smudging your values a bit more, if you still want that hard edge you get on your strokes than I suggest keeping coherence in the direction of the strokes and not mixing random directions together, it makes a mess and isn't very attractive to the eye.

>>3063087
Where would be a go place to learn?

>>3063087
>Another "artist" who comes here to feel superior to everyone else because he is too insecure to hang out with people who are at "his level"
You are fooling no one

>>3064168
How to learn to draw:
1. Figure out what you want to draw
2. Draw it
3. See what's wrong
4. Learn how to draw those areas correctly
(Repeat while using /ic/ resources)

>>3063110
Actually it basically is. Read "Deep Work"

>>3064182
step one is the hardest step

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>>3063916
He doesn't seem mad at all. There was nothing what he's written that was really wrong.
Do you really think that majority of people here acting like artists really know their shit? To me it seems like all they really want is to take all fun from drawing and putting beginner artists in a miserable place with their expectations that are unreal for most people who have normal lives and no time to spend 10h+ on drawing daily. Of course there are exceptions and from time to time somebody will really post some good advice outside of HURRR LOOOOOMIS GIT GUD DURRR!

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>>3064133
>In other words, it's a toxic crab pot that does much more harm than good.
>proceeds to tell me to kms with a yuris gif
You're not very good at this shitposting thing, huh?

>>3064344
Just put your pencil to the page and relax. Even if you just scribble in one way or the other it'll get you thinking about what it is you want to draw. Having fun with drawing is the most important thing.

>>3063726
>The vast majority of posters here are not artists, will never be artists, but larp being artists, and spew their fantasies of how things work, daily.
I didn't care enough to read the rest but this is 100% true

I think this place would be a lot better if:

a) Anons realized that nobody trusts an anon. if what you say is something commonly known and obvious and exists in the sticky then there's no need to say it.

If on the other hand your theorycrafting is not obvious, then chances are it's also controversial and the people you're trying to convince aren't going to believe you. Cut back on the theorycraft, stick to basics, talk less, post more art

b) Best advice comes in the form of redlines, paintovers and illustrative drawings. Use these if you feel like you're up to teaching someone. Again more drawing, less talk.

that and literally everyone is treated like they are trying to artists that can live off there skill. nigga im just trying to draw for fun and if i improve fucking neat. quit fucking creeping on me because i havent made progress in 3 months or whatever. if i draw 1 hour a week i draw 1 hours a week if i draw 20 then i draw 20 nigga. its a HOBBY for some people and /ic/ doesn't seem to get that

>>3064097
For someone who's telling people what to do and what to learn, it's alarming that you think "illustration" is synonymous with "concept art".

That demonstrates that dont know what youre talking about, and that you shouldn't be giving advice when it comes to a a career in art.

>>3064431
how new are you?

>>3064478
I'm not the one who posted the crab pot comment...
I'm not an accomplished shitposter, I'm happy that it was obvious...
I didn't pick you at random to shit on. I found your attitude roward others indicates that you are a worthless piece of human trash, and I explained how you could effectively contribute with an instructional animated infographic.

Why are artists so fucking whiny?

>>3064678

Most artists are liberal, most liberals are numales, most numales are cucks, most cucks, most cucks are socially awkward, mostly socially awkward people are whiny, weak and effeminate.


Why do you think this board is obsessed with being a woman? They are weak