/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

>>3032570
lots of those are from https://sketchfab.com/models/143e4cf775bf4ff2a31c0f82b5d5a680

>>3032578
Aesthetic as fuck.

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>>3032574
The picture was an eyes study, but I feel like I did this exercise better the last time I went (partially) through keys to drawing. My observation really's gone to shit since then.

I really struggle with getting the angles and proportions just right. I see that they're wrong, I can vaguely tell how they're wrong, but when I put my pencil down on paper to make the angles and lines they always wind up fucked. The shading (drawing shapes of shadow) helps cover this up to some degree, but I really struggle on linework. I do a page of Draw a Box line practice as warmup every day but it feels like there's something obvious that I'm missing.

>>3032585
ahhh ood shit
I still think some photo refs from human models will help, thats a good ref but you need to look at a flesh and blood human to get some posing and flexing

>>3032589
the foot cant really move that much can it? like the angle of the ankle and the position of the toes are the only variable factors right?

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>>3032599
couldn't find a good composite of photos but that shit can bend and flex all over the place. feet are like retarded hands

>>3032606
So why are they more sexy than hands?

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Posted in the last /beg/ thread but it ended up before i got any criticism, so i am posting it again here
1/3

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Started doing some shading here but it is still shit
2/3

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Made this today, wondering how to make it better with only a pencil #2, since it is all i have

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still working on portraits

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>>3032574
enjoying drawing and learning how to draw. for a beginner who started to draw serious how is the women to the right.

>>3032611
>>3032613
>>3032614
read the sticky

>>3032574

Hey guys beginner who retook drawing after being too busy, I already went through keys of drawing and now im on fwap but all I draw looks like shit compared to the things in the book is it supposed to be this way? it makes me feel like shite

>>3032634
The book is drawn by a really good artist, obviously. If you could draw on his level, you would be a master. So yeah, you're supposed to be shit. Just keep drawing.

>>3032628
Ok, will do

>>3032634

post art so i can see

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>>3032637

Old one I found because I've been copying all of his models lately, I'll try to draw something soon and upload it

>>3032627
you need to study face proportions m8, everythings wonky. Especially her right eye

>>3032646
thanks bro. would you kindly red line it for me. so i can see how i fucked up

>>3032635

I'll go ahead and do that

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any advice?

>>3032667
leave /beg/

>>3032667

Ignore >>3032671, he memes this crap in all these threads.

Your image is way too fucking big and way too fucking dark to make out the finer bits, and what can be made out is a lotta bullcrap. Your eyes are anime stylized but the rest of the face is trying to be realistic (it's not), your ears are literally just lemons, and the whole thing seems very unfocused. For gods sake read the fucking sticky.

The hair does take up actual volume to some degree though.

>>3032641
Just on a basic level I think you should take a(nother?) look at Drawabox.com (or ArtFundamentals if you browse Leddit). Your lines are rough as shit, and if you get better at your lines and ellipses and start grasping some of the fundamentals of construction, all detailed in like the first two lessons or so, you'll probably start to get Loomis a bit more. Loomis is basically all construction and construction is a bit of a different ballgame from sight drawing.

>>3032650
Not that anon but your facial proportions are so fucked that at this point it would be more beneficial to just straight up hit the books, try to learn some, THEN when you actually have a clue on what you should be aiming for asking for a redline.

>>3032684
nosebro is a dedicated and helpful member of the community

Im just getting into proper shading. Does anyone have any technique references? what books is it covered in? Youre supposed to go light to dark or dark to light?

>>3032694
i too applaud nosebro for continuing to namefag no matter what anyone says.

>Much I owe to the lands that grew–
>More to the Lives that fed–
>But most to the Allah who gave me two
>Separate sides to my head.
>Much I reflect on the Good and the True
>In the faiths beneath the sun

>But most upon Allah who gave me Two
>Sides to my head, not one.
>I would go without shirt or shoe,
>Friend, tobacco or bread,
>Sooner than lose for a minute the two
>Separate sides of my head!

yeah im done with drawing on the right side of the brain.

>>3032731
all praise psuedoscience

>>3032731
>believes in talent
>doesn't believe in the right side of the brain

When I do sets of equally lengthed/spaced horizontal, diagonal and vertical straight lines for practice, my least successful lines are always the verticals, regardless of whether I draw up-down or down-up. Is this the case for you lads? Just curious if it's a typical thing.

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When is this suppose to get easier?

>>3032769
when you get good! But then your skill level and standards raise, so it never gets easier

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how do I make my faces look more symmetrical?

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ignore the head,
redline me please.

>>3032796
draw a grid

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a hundred 1 minute gestures done in one sitting

time to re-read hampton's section on gesture

>>3032796
dont, no faces are symmetrical

>>3032866
and yes I understand that like half of these aren't even gestures. the brain went to mush partway

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Completed sketch/study before colouring, thoughts?

>>3032889
needs less scratches. Redo it all with confident liine work. The face looks a little messed up, the jaws angle and positioning

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finished a twintelle picture after watching keinan lafferty. I was happy with the sketch but the coloring once again killed it. I didn't wanna leave it without getting any thoughts our critiques on it.

>>3032915
fix the shoulder, redo sketch with longer lines. the coloring isnt what killed it

>>3032889

Nice, much better than anything I can do. Looks real, imo.

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Redline me please. I'm having so much trouble.

>>3032955
>>3032799
stop asking for redline, it wont help

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>>3032957
lately it's like if someone doesn't redline you then their critique is meaningless. its actually unreal with this thread

these are dark times. but then again i can't really blame them when half of the shit thrown in here is LITERALLY just "work on your x", "x is wonky, x is off" and "read the sticky".

>>3032959

Hard to see the way when you wonder in the dark. The path is always shorter than you remembered it to be when the lights are on.

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>>3031216
help
How do I stop myself from tilting the head?
Also, anything else?

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Some studies. Any advice for drawing with ink from imagination?

>>3032965
Measurements. Dorien Iten. Keys to Drawing. Pseudoscience lady, ANYTHING. Stop polishing a turd. Do still lives for a month and get your observational skills at least started before you attempt anything human. There is literally nothing ok with this.

>>3032974
>>3032975
can you stop spamming the thread thanks

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from some ref last thread + made the skin non-metallic for once

>>3032991
more detail in the eyes

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>>3032236
>>3032250
>>3032504

Wait, it doesn't look like a shadow?

>>3033026
i thought it was another cylinder

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>>3032991
good job, glad you worked out how to fix the metal thing

i don't think you need more detail in the eyes, but perhaps they're a bit soft compared to everything else

>>3033042
Fug :--DDDD

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>>3032955
>>3032957
>>3032959
>>3032963
just fucking redline him, god, hes the only one working without reference, he deserves it.

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>>3032955
your nose was better than mine i accidentally, fucked it up ironically. other than that, youre ignoring form for HER left eye. remember the transition into a triangle. Your eyebrows are extremely asymmetrical and your lips dont really show an understanding of the fact that they are fat masses. The rest is really just fixing the fact that you ignored the skull when drawing the hair and just giving more flair and elegance to your lines

>>3033073
Thanks a lot ! I've been struggling with facial placement of features for ever. I'm currently trying to do it the Bridgman way, i'll post some results later on.

Anyway thanks a lot for the redline the left eye placement was really off, and the mouth wasn't following the same flow as the others features.

Thanks again mate !

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>>3032671
not me.
stay in beg.
>>3032667

>>3033076
just dont think any of the lines had anything to do with construction though, its all symbol drawing i added AFTER the fact.
id make the extending eye a bit wider if i was me from 10 minutes ago.

>>3033079
>>3033072
while you fix some problems you introduce more, especially your noses, jesus

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Tips pls, im having trouble imagining the dimensions so i end up just scratching till i feel right.

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>>3032799
block in your bigger shapes and add detail later.

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>>3033085
think about how the shoulder length first, then the shoulders. its easier if you think of it as being part of the back first.
>>3033082
redline me then

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Still trying to get a more "3d" look. Mouth are still an issue since i tend to render them too flat or to bend them too much around the face.

I know the nose is kind of funny but i liked the idea of a strong nose similar to destroyed boxers ones.

>>3033102
where are my 6 hands?

>>3033095
thx for the tip. im a bit lost on the range of motion of a shoulder

>>3033107
check hajimmy no jimbo (jimmy neutrino manga spinoff) and look at jimmys back. its huge and still conveys the point.

>>3033105
6 hands ?

>>3033113
come on no way two people get to fuck up noses that badly...
>>3030272
this guy not you?

>>3033110
>hajimmy no jimbo
those shoulders always pops up like balloons,.im not sure if thats a good reference for muscles with the exaggeration and such

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>>3033121
as long as you force yourself to do the opposite of your flaws then youll get to the middle eventually.

How do I find things to draw?

>>3033123
worth a shot. thanks anyway

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>>3033102
whatever. im on a roll

>>3033110
>hajimmy no jimbo
nothing comes up with google

>>3033132
if you cant figure out what to draw, just draw random shapes/forms/bodies/faces/trees/cars/knives/guns anything really until you figure it out. for me i default to manikins from imagination

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>>3033138
its made by george morikawa if that helps

>>3033144
nah fuck you nosebro, i thought that was an actual hajime no ippo joke manga. that would have been amazing

>>3033102
draw more from reference and do a lot more of value studies. Your shading is too flat and you don't have a sense for form.

>>3033248
Yeah i have trouble getting down where are the planes and forms. I'm currently using ref to paint contstruction over them, is it interesting enough ? I feel like i can spot the construction but i cannot really use the bits of knowledge i got when it comes to doing a simple face without ref.

How much daily should i be spending on art? im putting in an hour or two every few days, critical self evaluation but not studying from a source.

>>3033286
Even if I assumed that what you're doing is the 'correct method' that produces the best results, you're better of drawing daily and more than just a hour or two.

>>3033303
What is the correct methode though ? Painting construction on top of ref and trying to mimic it ?

>>3033303
who can fit in more than 2 hours except on weekends? i could fit in 4 if i went 4pm-8pm or something

>>3033311
that sounds like a terrible way to improve

>>3033276
learn an abstraction method for the head. Loomis is good for understanding planes and very easy. Learn it by heart and do a lot of drawing by reference using this kind of construction.

If you still find problems you could find some benefit in spending some days just drawing cubes from reference over and over while thinking about perspective and trying to nail down the angles. It isn't that exciting but man does it help.

>>3033311
It was really just a hypothetical. The point is that time must be invested if you want results within a human lifetime.

>>3033317
I have troiuble with loomis. I got the theory but i had trouble getting volumes, i'm trying the Bridgman way and it helped me a lot.


But i'm kind of stuck right now. My faces are obviously better but i still cannot play with the angles as much as i would. I'm gonna keep trying these heads in a cube thingy.

Should i keep tracing over reference to get the construction or is it a bad habit ?

>>3033286
as much as you can. But two hours is pretty good honestly. I think constance is the most important aspect though, I would prefer a regular hour every day other than a sporadic burst of productivity. I found that I improved the most when I started drawing every single day as an habit, like if I had to brush my teeth or another boring habit.

>>3033324
>but i had trouble getting volumes
then you REALLY should try the cube thing. Trust me, it is all in there. If you can't draw something as simple as a cube from reference, you can't draw something as complex as a face. It is pretty straightforward. Once you "get" perspective it is all downhill

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>>3033336
That's what i'm working on, feels nice to know i'm following the right way.

I just need to find a few more pdf from bridgman, and how the 4 line technique works though.

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Two left are from yesterday, did the last just now. Any pointers or just more studies.

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Does the sky look too saturated blue?

>>3033346
What books are you learning this from?

>>3033355
triple lip?

>>3033481
It seems on a good level of slightly faded blue that the sky usually is. I'd add variance in the type of clouds. Right now with your little sheep, they look large and generic, making the rest of your work look flatter. Thi

>>3033523
*think of the area behind your scenery, and think of how they would scale from the view you would see them from the current perspective.
my bad

>>3033523
Thi.. what?

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Where can i get a mega download of Photoshop?

Just got a tablet and i'm going through ctrlpaint. It suggests i need photoshop really seriously

Should I paint cloth tossed aside or a clothed person? Decide my fate.

Can someone help me?
i've been trying to start drawing for several years, i always start drawing stuff and then (because of how garbage everything i make is) i stop completely.
How do i cope with this?
What is the point of drawing from reference? isn't it basically copying the reference?

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>>3033524
>>3033523
is this any better?

>>3033544
When drawing from reference you have to make sure you're capturing the form of the ref and understanding the construction behind it. Otherwise you're just copying contours and it doesn't help at all to improving your understanding.

Plus adding to your visual library is a plus

>>3033547
not them but its better but not blended enough, the white streaks need remove

>>3033544
draw fun shit and study less. if you dont find it fun in the first place theres really no point continuing. look at sonichu. he doesn't improve but his passion is top tier. of course study will set you up for possible career paths that drawing for fun wont.

>>3033554
>but not blended enough,
> the white streaks need remove
what do you mean?

>>3033554
i do enjoy drawing, i love drawing more than anything else, what really makes me stop is watching, in the end, what i've drawn.
i was drawing a comic that i've been planning for 4+ years (you have no clue how much fun i was having, i was drawing at least 4 to 5 hours a day), i drew 25 pages and then looked back at that first chapter, i felt like shit looking at how horrible it was.

>>3033558
Take the zetsubou and turn it into kibou my dude. If you can look back and see how shit it is, it means that you've grown

>>3033555
unless you're trying to illustrate cloud streaks that is. the real issue is you dont have banding in your sky (darker at the horizon, goes through colour spectrum towards the top and your clouds near the bottom dont convey depth.

>>3033558
just publish it, everyone looks at their art and thinks it sucks and often it does, but you can only get better unless you stop. post comic?

>>3033561
nani ga zetsubou to kibou ka?

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>>3033564

that comic was pure deviantart garbage tier and i deleted it, but there is another one i was making (stopped for the same reason, the drawings are at the same level) , here's a page (keep in mind that i used one of those wood puppets for proportions, and they are still garbage).
This comic was about bart going vrazy and killing everyone, milhouse was the one supposed to stop him (bart was even supposed to become bartman after milhouse trained with ralph and became too strong for him)
This is literally deviantart level trash.

>>3033575
sad, you should have posted it if not for the story.
this looks like a millhouse oc character btw, not millhouse (millhome anyone?) . dont use those wood things, theyre for shadows apparently. this isnt too bad honestly, yeah its crap but im not in tears about it if you know what i mean

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>>3033564

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>>3033580
Another shitty page.
Also why do some people who are super good at drawing post shit here? isn't this supposed to be a beginner thread?

>>3033584
/beg/inner's a gradient

In my eyes we're all beginners until we're masters

>>3033582
looks way better already, clouds still have the same issue, your perspective is too high. draw perspective lines on your sky and youll see

>>3033584
dude this is great. its at a level where id actually read it and could forgive the art. shame you deleted it...
no one here is really good except some critics, youd be surprised how quickly you can reach there level (its all in being given guidance)

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>>3033584

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>>3033589
Yeah but when you're me and make shit like this you are in desperate need of help

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>>303359i didn't delete this one hahahaha, i still have some pages, but i'd need to add text to them

>>3033607
fuck me i mesed up
>>3033594

>>3033603
i love how the artist himself isnt as good as the art he puts in his picture

>>3033607
damn so millhouse ends up beating the bartman by the looks of things

>>3033584
all drawings posted itt are pretty shit to some extent desu

>>3033610
no, he's beating bart and then bart turns into bartman and runs away (basically this crap's super sayian)

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So everyone on here looks like they are actual artists I can't even draw a stick man. Wtf do i do?

>>3033617
Keep drawing.

>>3033620
Okay but all I'm doing is filling the internet with cancer by doing so

>>3033614
ah nice, youll have to keep me updated somehow. honestly the cheesy art style mashes well with the premise.

>>3033617
stop drawing pepes for one, read books for two.

>>3033627
do you have any examples of some books?

>>3033628
sticky covers it. drawing on the right is one id skip though, the premise is pseudoscience even though some of the content isnt. skim over it but dont waste your time

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>>3032978
Thank you.

>>3033627
well i could add you on steam or discord if you really want to read this piece of trash

>>3032588
At this point you need to work on pretty much everything. Experience will probably be more helpful than advice. Don't be afraid to make mistakes. If you get stuck on something like this, you might benefit from focusing on something else for a while.

To give you more concrete advice, I think you would benefit most from spending some time on your mark making skills and simplifying things into basic shapes. Look at your lines. They're shaky and inconsistent. The shapes they describe are rough and asymmetrical. Practice drawing lines all over the page with varying speed, pressure, length, direction, etc. Practice drawing small precise marks with your wrist and fingers, practice drawing large smooth lines with your shoulder. Practice doing just contour drawings for a while.
Look at the shape of the iris and the pupil. They should both be nearly perfect circles. If you can't consistently represent simple shapes like these, you are going to struggle with the complex shapes. How are you going to draw the subtle curves of the face and its features if you can't draw a pretty line, a pretty square or circle? Portrait drawing is probably some of the hardest observational drawing you'll do, expect to struggle with producing a likeness until you are very experienced.
Have fun !

>>3033638
i have neither of these, dont worry about it

>>3033642
how should i keep you updated then?
i'm starting to think you're just saying this to make me continue drawing it, which is not a bad thing by itself

>>3033645
no, it actually sounded fun. your art does suck though, but stick with it. just post it here or don't, maybe make a pixiv or deviant art

I fucking hate loomis where are other books to study heads/faces?

>>3033660
Yeah it's fucking garbage, it gives you little to no explaination, shows you super detailed faces and goes :"Yeah it's your turn now"

>>3033660
There's been a severe lack of ngmi lately.

>>3033666
>t. someone who didn't read the text

>>3033617
bait somewhere else than the /beg/ thread where it's not as easy

only then will you progress in your skill

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>>3032574
so heres what i did, what i can do better next time

>>3033684
Why are you able to finish your drawings but here I am stuck studying and studying?

>>3033684
colour inside the lines, less scratches, better hat angle

>>3033079
This is just symbol drawing. Not trying to be rude. Values are important.

>>3033689
idk just decide what you wanna do and get it done its not rocket science
you already know how the whole progress goes

>>3033698
gonna make it clearer in the next pic thanks for the feedback

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>>3033670
I did read the book you fucking dumbass.
This is an example, after just showing you some high level, masterfully shaded faces he asks you to do the exact same

>>3033544
read the war of art, steven pressfield. it's a short book everyone in /beg/ should read. It should honestly be in the OP info.

>>3033684
How are you so good?

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My first OC ever, feels good seeing the accumulation of my current skill in one drawing.
Began at the start of June thanks friends.

>>3033700
not him but ignore overtly positive posts, they're shitposters you'll soon fine

>>3033712
fix proportions. man shoulders, tiny hips, micro hands, tiny arm, upper legs longer than the character herself. all basics in anatomy. whats your regime and sources of study? start figure drawing from reference

will just drawing really improve my skills?
there are so many people on deviantart who draw for years and years and they're still at the same level as they were before

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>>3033712
Good work anon, keep at it!

>>3033703
>he can't figure out how to put lines down
Not the guy you're talking to but fuck man, do you need Loomis to literally hold your fucking pencil for you?

>>3033718
I'm doing vilppu box man for about an hour using the my own references and the beg thread images, then try and draw one the 1 faces from the BEG threads for an 1 hour then try and draw something fun for me.

I've only tried to do a study on the upper arm anatomy so far since I felt familiar already with the groups of muscles.

>>3033724
Thanks friendo your one of the reasons why I keep at it when I don't feel like I'm improving at all.

what do you usually draw when you have no idea what to draw? do you use an app or go to some specific site/thread?

>>3032799
what brush do you use? i never get the organicky pencil look

>>3033746
go to exh and just browse for a bit, go to wikipedia random and combine a few

>>3033740
work on macro ratios first though, no point wasting all that detail on incorrect sizing

>>3033751
exhentai?

what if the OP secretly sneaks in pictures of himself at the first ref images and he has already 100 shitty portraits of him already

>>3033752
yes, going there now gave me the idea for a frog witch practising alchemy.

>>3033756
theyre all from quickposes. i wish i was handsome as david gandy

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WIP.
crit please.

>>3033720
Yes, for someone who doesn't draw all that much, just drawing is the best you can do. Put improving aside, if you can't even draw, drawing to improve won't work.

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fuck me, figure drawing in perspective is hard

>>3033775
make another layer and redo the whole thing as a mannequin. boxes etc. your perspective needs some work. notice how the feet have foreshortening properly but the rest of the body is just flat.

>>3032769
unfortunately it takes tons of practice to get easier; spice it up by adding more colors like greens and blues and shit

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What should I fix before I'm done? (I like using the pen brush for sketches than the pencil brush)

>>3033785
How long you been drawing? Liking that body and impact.

>>3033072

That actually looks decent. I really want to see your finished works NoseBro...

>>3033806
I mean I've been drawing all my life once in a while but I only started actually studying for the sake of getting better at it like a month ago.

>>3033810
Once in a while like once a month?

>>3033814
Something like that, I'd just draw monsters or people in my notebook from imagination at school, that's pretty much it.

>>3033827
What are your older drawings like? I'm interested to see how you improved.

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>>3033857
I don't really have any sketches you could compare it to, but I drew this character 1.5 years ago and I thought it was pretty good for what I was capable of back then.
Like I haven't improved a ton, but I think my drawings look way more interesting because I'm actually using perspective, dynamic poses, etc.

>>3033803
realize that Blaze is the worst sonic character

Hey guys. What's the best way to practice when you're semi-distracted? I mean that when you're listening to something (like an audiobook) or have a show or something on that you glance at occasionally. I know this isn't inefficient, but I wonder if there's a way to at least make it count some more. Is it simply a matter of still having a reference and drawing from that? Or just trying to perfect simple techniques?

>>3033884
Just keep drawing, shut off all distractions, music and shows. You need to think about what you're drawing. If you're full attention isn't there, you're gonna fuck it up. Seasoned artists can draw semi-distracted because they've built up their habits for so long.

>>3033676
i can't understand what you're saying

>>3033884

Stop doing things that distract you during practice. Is it really hard to figure it out by yourself that you need to ask that question.

Here of all places.

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>>3033641
Honestly this is the best feedback I've gotten since coming to /ic/. Thanks for that.

See all of you are great at this I can't even draw a stick figure I don't know what to do everyone says to keep drawing and I fill up a bunch of sketchbooks with complete trash it looks like scribbles.

>>3033909
I can't even draw a straight line to save my life but I'm not giving up. I have bunches of sketchbooks filled with crap even worse than some thirteen year old on deviantart but I'm going to still keep trying because eventually I'll get it.

>>3033909
If you're just gonna complain, then you might as well just quit.

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I did a quick study, i still need to work on my construction and side faces.

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>>3033913
I'm not complaining I'm asking what to do

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>>3033922

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>>3033935
ugh

>>3033970
This is pretty vague, but i can see what you're telling me.

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>>3032576
Drawing hair seems really intimidating

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>>3034022
Fucking mobile

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>>3034031

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>>3033993
symbol drawing, read sticky in header.

>>3032574

One of my biggest problems when drawing is that everything including anatomy just looks too stiff. Took a 2d design class to understand composition more and improve but I still have a problem of instinctively making things too symmetrical/not being able to comprehend what compositions look good and which look bad. I mean I can look at a picture and somewhat understand how it works (because obviously the people knew how to convey their idea) but when making my own pictures I just can't seem to make a good balance and imbalance or movement that doesn't feel 'intentional' if that makes any sense. Any tips?

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somtimes sketceh go too far

>>3034213
i like it a lot

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>>3034041
symbol drawing, read sticky in header.

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>>3032581

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>>3033935
Do you know how to do construction?

It looks like you are trying to jump straight into an outline. That technique is for pros only.
It also looks like you've never seen a fox before.

>>3034294
now do it in 30 seconds with a mouse :)

>>3034296
Try putting in cross contour lines to help yourself explore the form instead of just copying the outline.

Also learn some basic muscle groups and try to identify them when you do figure studies.

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>>3034305

>>3034310
hey thats pretty decent! But to be petty, its legitimately harder in clipping tool

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>>3032574
Opinions? This is just an idea I felt I had to get on canvas. This is my first real painting.

>>3034319
Blog?

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A woman I saw walking down the street.

.

>>3034319
leave /beg/

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>>3034308
Like this?
Should I use anatomy 360 from the sticky or is there something else?

Also thanks for the feedback, much appreciated friendo.

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had posted in the previous thread about my situation and pic related

does anyone have any basic tips for the anatomy here? like is there anything i'm really really missing so far? obviously the feet and the other leg arent finished but there's something weird about the arms. i'm also pretty bad with hips and this is my first time trying to be ambitious by emphasizing them.

i'm thinking i should make the jacket arms a bit puffier and i need to fix something about the right hand(her left hand)

>>3034333
from what i can tell the anatomy is fine, although I would make her arms a tad bit longer, but I guess that's just personal taste.

>>3034337
yeah i'm definitely gonna mess with the arm length a bit because that's the main thing throwing me off.

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>have sketched pretty decent (for an absolute beginner) imagery while fucking around
>get anxious as fuck with nervous lines and inability to visualize what I'm trying to replicate when drawing from life/photograph

>>3034339
a general rule of thumb I like to use some times is that the elbow of a fully extended arm typically rests below the bottom of the ribcage and above the belly button. Try making her wrists a tad longer and that should do it.

Good luck

>>3034342
thanks, i'll keep that in mind.

>>3034341
When trying to visualize a drawing think about what your about to draw as a "connect the dots" puzzle. If you have to mark the paper with dots of important areas and then come back with lines later. It helps get rid of nervousness and lets you focus on line quality.

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I am trying to work on tablet and it is hard. I am already shitty as is regarding anatomy but it becomes 10x harder on tablet. i literally just am putting robes on shit

>>3033547
bro u've been working on that piece since I've first got here

is that all you work on or do you do other studies and stuff? are you painting that for a dying relative?

>>3034327
not me

>>3033584
Vast majority of drawings posted here are pretty bad, mine included. This is not a high level at all, it really is /beg/, you can achieve the average /beg/ level in maybe 2-3 months of drawing, if you've never drawn before.

You actually gotta do studies and shit though, it's nice to draw what you like on your fun time, but you also need work time. Your brain just does not posses a good visual library, you have to expand it. Your arms and hands do not have a good muscle memory, you have to train it. It's that simple.

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>>3034352
Break anatomy down into bite sized pieces and tackle it, This is a chance for you to challenge yourself and overcome a plateau. I really dont recommend Loomis for intermediate anatomy, But If you're really lacking in that area by all means go ahead and snort some Loomis.

>>3033712
Compare some body parts to others. Those hands can almost fit inside her ears. Hands are so very important, they can make of break a drawing, you hid one and the other one is that of a toddler. Do some hand studies, then do figure drawings where you actually lay down the hands.

>>3033803
her elbows look forced and really awkward, aren't her arms supposed to be resting? if her face is tilted it would only cover one shoulder in any sort of normal anatomy, idk with weird characters though, they are hard to give any real advice

>>3034313
bro stop being dickhead, just admit he did a pretty good redline and knows his foxes way better than you

>>3034345
will do
I already practice curving lines like that with good accuracy so it should be good

>>3034381
i wouldve but he was mean so i couldnt :(

>>3034389
not me

>>3034392
Just get a trip.

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>>3032581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIscL-Bjsq4

>>3034388
Okay good luck, let me see the results when you're done, if you will.

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>>3034393
>>3034392
that was actually me though!

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im LSOT

>>3034394
fix that head.. it goes more to the right and you can see his neck.. his torso is quite a big longer, and it's curved, that little straight line u drew doesn't fit there, just curve it all the way up to the neck, at least to use for reference

other than that is not bad, good job on the left arm and hand

>>3034402
Thanks for the feedback anon

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>>3033547
this is already going to be a terrible piece simply because of the work you're putting into it - the time you're spending is giving you the opposite quality

why are there so many elements? where is your focal point? why is everything so meticulously detailed instead of implied details? if you want a tight, cleaned-up envo why don't you do lineart?

pic related is what's considered a "good" painting because it's hitting everything that a painting is supposed to strengthen: the idea in not too many brushstrokes. there is no one aspect that is too detailed than anything else not in the background where it takes up too much of your eye time when you look at it. whereas in your painting there's too much detail that it's overwhelming

i'd suggest watching demos on youtube regarding how your favorite artists render their landscapes (from start to finish- notice their process of blocking in, including the design stage: for some reason you're randomly adding elements to your piece when you get done overdetailing one aspect of it). This is just confusing to look at.

>>3034356
I'm doing it as a hobby and I barely even have the time work on it.

>s that all you work on or do you do other studies and stuff?
It's the only painting I'm working on right now
>>3034404
I really do need to work on my approach to painting, I keep getting obsessed with minor details while ignoring other parts like a man with ADD/OCD, it's probably what slows me down

>this is already going to be a terrible piece simply because of the work you're putting into it - the time you're spending is giving you the opposite quality
why?

Also, I don't really know any artists that I would like to follow, any recommendations?

>>3034404
>why are there so many elements? where is your focal point? why is everything so meticulously detailed instead of implied details? if you want a tight, cleaned-up envo why don't you do lineart?
also, can you elaborate more on this?

I noticed a lot of people tend to combine 2-3 fingers into one almost shape when drawing hands, is there a reason behind that?

>>3034486
almost one shape*

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Kill self when?

>>3034497
I just pipette colours from art I like and start out vague and then move in on the details. You'll probably find paint tool sai the easiest to paint in.

>>3034497
just spend more time on it for one

I cant seem to find poses for the pose i want, is their like some full 3d human thats rotatable and moveable?

>>3034506
Doesn't it cost tho?

>>3034561
Cracks everywhere. You can get the one for Sai 1 just from google and someone even uploaded it to deviantart.

CGP's SAI 2 beta
crack
https://www.sendspace.com/file/
7hhtw9

(beta is from https://www.systemax.jp/en/sai/devdept.html)

I also have a cracked copy of Photoshop CC 2017 which you can get off almost every torrent site) and clip studio paint which was cracked by the folks on Persia too.

>>3034570
Or you can just use Krita instead of installing a bitcoin miner onto your pc

>>3034572
Art program choice (familiarity/explitability) probably contributes about 20% to work quality. It definitely helps to shop around.

>have a wacom intuos pen and touch small
>have a wacom intuos pro large
>fucking port for the usb cable on p&t broke
>oh i know, ill just use the wireless adapter from the pro large
>be switching back and forth for a while
>past week p&t never fucking works and i have to redownload drivers every time.

what is my tablets problem

>>3034576
>>3034572
>>3034570
I've got Photoshop, what's wrong with that?

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>>3032574
you guys said i should do cleaner lines and colour more inside the boundaries so heres what i did, is it getting good yet or am i still fucking up?

>>3034622
Anon do some anatomy and figure studies.
Those legs are fucced

>>3034624
what youd suggest like is there a book for that
or do i just check out what other guys do and copy that

>>3034631
Look for the book thread, that's your general go to.
Vipplu's figure drawing is always good and you can't go wrong with LOOMIS

>>3034632
im supposed to do feet related bondage next so guess anatomy wouldnt hurt, thanks for the advice

>>3032627
Symbol drawing everywhere. Read the sticky and actually study instead of drawing stuff randomly.

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help im not used to coloring and im bad at drawing

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>>3032581
is this even correct? and any tips? im learning from michael hampton figure drawing book

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Does Sai have any brushes that can help with plants like this?

what do you listen to when you're drawing?

>>3034752
My soul getting engulfed in darkness slowly.

>>3034760
i'm sorry anon

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First time poster here. I drew from when I was pretty young and enjoyed it a lot, I got really good grades but in high school, I let a really strong crush distract me from it. I'm twenty two now and want more than anything to be able to draw again because it was the only thing I excelled at. But each time I pick up a pencil, I wind up so frustrated because nothing comes out right due to the rustiness that has built up over the years. So I quit, then feel bad about quitting and this cycle just repeats. My head is full of ideas, but it feels like there is a 'disconnect' between my mind and hand. I bought an art tablet last year but it just gathers dust.

I feel stuck. Does anyone have any tips to get out of this rut so I can get back to drawing regularly and enjoying it? Should I just force myself to draw 'til it gets gets easier and eventually becomes second nature like it used to be?

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>>3034330
I mean something more controlled and deliberate like pic.

Keep practicing and maybe read or skim a book on figure drawing by loomis or hampton so that you start to break down figures into simpler forms.

>>3034765
Fuck off, /ic/ has no pity for an edgy pedophile, your art is trash because you are trash.
>>>/b/
>>>/trash/

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>>3034401
hope this helps

>>3034770
6/10 b8, made me reply

>>3034777
>bait
>rating a post

You really have to go back

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>>3034678
>>3034352
i need more feedback please here is something i did this morning

>>3034497
That signature is really, really not warranted.

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>>3032576
I won't finish it, but any way to improve this?

>>3034788
How much are you sketching?
I can't give you much specific advice. It just seems like you need to draw more and break out of your comfort zone.
Do some nude full figure drawings to see where your weak points are, and use that info to guide your studies.

>>3034796
I'm not sketching which is a huge problem. I feel like I could be god level right now if I even did 2 hours of sketching a day. I will do that and come back tomorrow. Thanks anon.

>>3034765
Just practice. That's literally it.

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>>3034765
Do some painting with Bob Ross. You could even use your tablet if you like, though it'll be harder.

You'll find it really hard to get angry and quit while painting with someone as lovely as Bob so you should be fine. It'll help remind you of the joy of painting!

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does upside down drawing fix symbol drawing?

>>3034486
Speed. Just to give a quick idea of what the hand pose is. Either speed, or laziness if they have the time. If you're going for a finished drawing, don't give your characters scissor hands, but it's good for gesture drawing when you only got a couple of minutes and you're just capturing the essence of a pose.

>>3034708
No, he is A LOT more hunched forward. That square on the bottom you drew would kind of represent his buttocks, right? They're kind of in a 3D C shape, idk how to explain, like a banana, they aren't just pointing down cause his legs are forward. Then you drew a straight line on top of his buttocks, second time I see that this thread on that reference picture, I just don't understand why. You can literally see his lower back's arch, it's visible in the picture, nothing goes straight up, just a tiny part of the ass. That makes your drawing look like some someone is just standing up and moving his head a tiny bit forward as if trying to listen to someone, while your reference is similar to a super hunched football player.

>>3034678
He's wearing a poncho but simultaneously his arm is coming out of something that looks like a sweater sleeve? and maybe tune the texture down a abit.

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This is the "lack of confidence thread", right?
Looking for hand related advice.

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Beginner to digital drawing so ive been messing around with line weight. Im not good with coloring or blending yet

>>3034857
Nope. Copying an image turned upside down is what helps with it. Nothing changes if you draw from imagination upside down.

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I'm still having trouble distinguishing what is and isn't/ what should or shouldn't be 1 or 2 point perspective.

Does this work as 1 point?

>>3034857

Yes. When you try to draw a face. A real face you end up trying to copy it and mix it with your memory of what a face is. Because the brain knows it's a face it overlaps the information with a simplified version of face you've known and seen all your life.

Now when you turn it upside down the brain doesn't do that. You know it's a face but how many upside down face do you see in your daily life?

Now you require to consciously analyze it. The shapes, form etc... And the more you do this the new information will replace the unreliable memory of a face that you have.

It takes time and you'll feel frustrated but don't give up. Even when you don't feel like you're progressing the brain is doing it's work processing the information. Eventually it will click. If you think it's too much just take a break for the day but don't give up.

>>3034775
should have thought of that. thanks!

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>>3035075
thanks man.
going to keep practicing since you got me motivated. i started to take art seriously this year and didn't know how to start so i just started taking pictures and putting them upside down then drawing them. i also have keys to drawing and some other artbooks from artist i like to learn

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Thoughts on this sketch I made without reference?
>tfw ears a shit

>>3035314
advanced cave drawing tier

>>3034724
Any time you see texture it's pretty much photoshop

>>3032769

every day little by little famdango