/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

>>3019164
Don't suppose anyone has a better version of this?

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sorry it's been awhile

Posted this on QTDDTT but I guess is makes more sense to ask here, Just started with Keys to Drawing, I have a little problem, in the excercises there are some time estimates as to how long it should take you to complete the drawing but for example with the green pepper one (1-c) it says 40 minutes but I spend like 20, I make sure to draw with care to detail but I still do too little time

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How would you find the vanishing points on an image that is looking downward? Do downward shots like this have a horizon line?

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>>3019182
"downward" is just a concept in your mind in this case.

>>3019182

if you want to do it by eye, you can look at the edges of the rectangular buildings that are perpendicular to "ground level" and see where they meet, because the hole has its vanishing point there as well. it's probably about 100-150 pixels south of the "center" of the hole's black circle of darkness. It is below the bottom of the photograph

>>3019182
Perspective Made Easy covers this, towards the end IIRC

Are there exercises to get gooderer at choosing colors or is it just understanding the fundamentals of color theory + lots of practice + having a good eye

>>3019220
>gooderer

kek

>>3019220
The latter, more so lots of practice than theory.

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>>3017458

>>3019228
Yeah figured, once I'm out of the /beg/ stage I'll reward myself with a tablet and practice my lines and colors all day

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question about that groove to the side of the abs. is it flat or does it dent in?

>>3019290
the first one, but with a little bit of the second one, like her abs step out from her flanks, but there is a little bit of a dent there where they're pressed up against one another

>>3019278
His face is very far from the original, BUT your painting skills make it insignificant.

>>3019161
What do you guys think about training gesture like this.
Just take a pose and draw it, draw it, draw it, draw it till, I'll get better at it.
Or should I train gestures in 30-60 second time limits.

>>3019344
>Just take a pose and draw it, draw it, draw it, draw it till, I'll get better at it.
This.

>>3019344
Do both, unless you have a very specific goal you're working towards

>>3019345
That is what I am doing right now, I watched proko pose drawing tuts and they are good but was curious what is the best approach.

Trying to draw this chick >>3019161 and all my gestures look either like headcrab from HL2 or "Autistic screeching"
Maybe I wasnt training for too long.

>>3019348
My goal is getting getting better at drawing pose and capturing gesture.

I just tried drawing with a tablet for the first time, and I can't do anything with it. It's like I can't even predict what angle a line will turn out. I literally can't even draw a fucking box like this. How can I get over this?

>>3019353
Learn to draw on paper, I remember multiple digital artists mentioned that drawing on tablet is harder than on paper and if you learning the basics you making it harder on yourself.

>>3019357
>tfw learning to draw the basics on digital
lmao

>>3019357
That's what I've done so far. I just thought I'd practice with the tablet on the side so I could get used to it. But at this point I feel like I'll never be able to switch to digital and that's kinda hurting my motivation.

>>3019370
Well, if thats any consolation, there is always a chance you bought shitty cheap tablet.
Those have awful reaction times, jittery lines and many other ways to tell you that you just wasted your money.

A couple of questions before I start trying to draw still life:
1. Should I start with objects at eye-level and prgress to different angles?
2. Should I aim to fill the page with my subject, does drawing bigger make a difference?

>>3019374
No, it's a Wacom Intuos. Maybe it's a bit small but I'm not sure that's it. I wonder if a tablet with screen would work better, but those are too expensive to get while I'm not that good yet.

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Are there any books on drawing building and environments, not just drawing building that exist and environment. I need to understand what can make a building appeal or an environment attractive to someone.

As you can see i suck at perspective as well, I need help in that as well.

>>3019376
it doesn't really matter

usually yes, drawing small and economical can develop bad habits and make you more prone to chicken scratching

>>3019380
Noob advice here but.
I would advise you to draw real buildings.

Its something that occurred to me recently but, every drawing I saw takes from RL a thing and spins it sometimes to unrecognizable levels but its always something form RL.
In fact I think we can't design anything from void.

I was learning how to draw mech but except watching tutorials and reading books I was trying to design one myself and at the end I ended up with something looking very similar to mechs drawn by artists.

What made it were horse legs, in clad armor with actuators I copied from a crane and all kind of servos.
It was a mech but it was something I arrived at myself.

Lately I was drawing a combat suit and took inspiration from a soviet flight suit, with zippers and tie laces and actually existing mechanism that increase body pressure by pumping suit with water.
I put water lines where tendons or muscles would go, into fluid pumps and valves, covered the design in material.
At the end I ended up with something straight from MGS, even my "original" design of fluid lines following muscle lines looked like in MGS.
Not only this but it was the costume that supposed to increase body strength and endurance as real soviet flight suit would except to a greater degree.

Imagine my surprise when I ended up with a mix of gantz suit that circulates some kind of fluid for the exact this purpose and MGS suit visually.

As I looked more carefully every single design I considered original was based on something just twisted the right way.

So as to your question, do not look for a guide how to make appealing design or give you an answer what appeals to people, study architecture and then use your talent to twist and mix things you learn.
Although guide how to draw appealing stuff undoubtedly exists somewhere if you were to copy someone else style you wouldn't really learn anything, you would be just copying someone else style.

That said I am still a noob and cant draw a for shit.

>>3019380
Your palm tree looks like a penis (the coconuts are the balls)

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>>3019395
>>3019397
>>3019399

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>>3019402
Because I am kinda stressed and made shit ton of mistakes but forgot that me deleting post wont update it for everyone and people end up with multiple of those.
Sorry about that.

>>3019401
>pic related.

>>3019220
>gooderer

This is the point I roll my eyes in disgust and leave 4chan for the day.

>>3019453
people like you are literally a diamond dozen

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It's okay to use refs, right?

>>3019462
It's encouraged

>>3019206
i like your brushwork, work on the perspective on the cube and the cylinder's elipses though. Also the top of the cube and the pyramid sort of fade into eachother so it might be a good idea to widen your value range for more contrast

>>3019462
yes, proper refs, not that piece of shit

>>3019465
how dare you talk to me

>>3019468
*talks to you*

>>3019472
*kisses you on the cheek*

>>3019454
it's "dyma dozen" you fucking tard

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This is my first painting ever. I have never painted before today and I have pretty much 0 art experience. Give me some tips to not suck so bad and rip this apart

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How do YOU go about drawing feet? I keep discovering different methods

>>3019517
I just realized sambo depictions were just people who couldn't illustrate correctly

>>3019518
Feet are the one thing you got half right, you need a lot of practice with everything else. And don't draw so close to the edge, it's never gonna look good.

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Here's a figure from imagination. Please critique.

>>3019521
i didnt even think of it as black face. fuck idk how i missed that

>>3019531
I assumed that was the intention with the lack of shading and bright red lips.

If you're serious about painting I would suggest learning some life drawing first of all and then doing some still life subjects. Working off some kind of reference is pretty important, especially when you're learning.

>>3019532
I'm going to. I jumped into painting 22 years into my life with such a small amount of art experience that i figured i'd be shit until i got better at actually drawing and learned some rules

>>3019529
Shouldn't her knee move along with her ankle it if it's twisting that way?

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I've been working on this study for a couple days. It's not finished yet, but I would appreciate any critique on how it is so far. I feel like I'm not doing something right.

>>3019534
Everyone started somewhere, just try to focus on the basics until you start producing results that you actually intend to.

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focusing body anatomy/proportions

Why exactly is drawing so hard?

>>3019562
your brain is a gigantic faggot and will stop at nothing to fuck you over

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feet...

>>3019538
Which knee? I didn't consider the knee turning but they align with the shin, right?

>>3019586
Sorry I was talking about the left.
But yeah I'm not too well versed in anatomy, I could be wrong.
It looks like her knees are both facing directly right of the viewer but the ankles are twisted forward slightly, I just thought that seems kind of awkward to do in real life without twisting your entire leg as well.

>>3019588
Oh I see what you mean. The left foot is positioning forward and the knee should probably follow that. In that case, I probably drew the left leg wrong as I don't think legs can curve like that. lol

>>3019562
The thinking vs seeing really got to me to understand why.

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Why do they look weird?

is there any good books with basics on building structures or on about construction? I can draw natural things really easily but anyting with straight lines, im absolutely abhorrent with it.

for eg. i tried drawing a circular object but the perspetive is off, the shape isnt circular and it looks like there is plenty of "doubt/unconfidence" in the sketches.

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Praticing shading, give critique please.

>>3019659
Shapes are off

So help me out here, while reading a Loomis book on Heads and Hands i came across some notes someones etched in the book saying it WRONG!

Loomis says
>The thing to remember is that the skull is fixed in position, and with the exception of the jaw, immovable, and that the flesh is mobile and ever-changing, and also affected by health, emotion, and age.

Now I agree with Loomis on this statement, the skin being affected by emotion seems strange to me though.
Anyone on here disagree with this or can enlightening me why this statement might be proven wrong? Possibly by a Medifag or whatever...

>>3019161

Does anyone have the original image on the left of that as a practice reference, really digging it to draw.

>>3019691
Check the previous thread at the top.

>>3019686
Have you ever heard how if you frown too much, your face will be stuck like that? If you smile, it'll brighten up your face in that way too. Subtle things that can really go far. Resting bitch face is an example of it all going wrong.

>>3019659
The right eye and nose are noticeably different than from the source.

>>3019529
Very solid shading and perspectives. The hand kinda looks off. Remember that you don't have to draw all 5 fingers depending on the angle.

How does the clavicle taper into the shoulders? Is it on top of the shoulders or in the middle?

I know it moves up and down and around with the arms but it feels tricky

>>3019719
Look at a skeleton, the scapula is what's holding the shoulder joint. The clavicle just follows the form and sort of the trapezius.

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Is it okay?

>>3019659
Try to draw/paint them three dimensional. Her face is tilted towards our right/east, so where is her nose gonna point to? It can't be centered, let the nose pop out. Same with the mouth, it ain't just a bigger line and a smaller line, it's closer on the left and further on the right, think of them that way. Your right cheek looks like it was punched in cause of the shadows and lips.

One very distinct characteristic of her face is how her eyes kinda go down on the outside, they look gloomy, while yours both are pointing up, like happy chinese, that makes her look like a completely different person.

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I really wanted to finish this but it's taking me way too long and I think I bit off way more than I can chew. Also I kind of want to work on something else.
Hopefully there's something critique-able here...

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>>3019741

>>3019741
>I really wanted to finish this but it's taking me way too long and I think I bit off way more than I can chew. Also I kind of want to work on something else.
Finish it, you won't regret it since you'll have something to show people what you're capable of instead of unfinished work. It feels like it's taking way too long because you've never gone this far before and biting off way more than you can chew is good, it means you're growing. Also that feeling of wanting to work on something else? Another sign that is this the right path. Keep at it, anon, you'll do great, I like how it's looking already.

>>3019752
I guess I'll give it another shot tomorrow then. The hair and cloth scare me though, they're way more complex than the rest of the body.

>>3019659
Quality of gradiant is good but you went a little over on highlights and give a plastic quality

>>3019659
Your's is very even whereas the ref's left side of her face is cast in shadow. Same thing with her right upper eyelid: you got where the darkest part wrong.

>>3019656
Are you saying you didnt intend them to look weird?

>>3019656
>>3019575
How about you learn human anatomy first? Those are legit shit. Go fucking google some human anatomy pics, including skeletons and bald guys. There is literally nothing that's okay with these doodles.

>>3019727
No, phoneposter.

>>3019727
It's straight and proportional if that's what you're asking. I'm not sure what else to say from a rough sketch though. Maybe do it a few more times and post the collective results.

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Roast me

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I tried drawing the head tilted down while the spine tilted back to get experience on how the neck overlaps with the chin. I couldn't find any reference for this pose online so I tried my best drawing from imagination.
did I do this right? (looking at it in a photo I can already see the shoulders are uneven)
if anyone has reference of this pose that would be great, for some reason "head tilted down" and other variations of that phrase only give me reference photos of people with their head tilted to the side, I've used google and the refrence photo links in the sticky.

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>>3019672
>>3019717
>>3019729
>>3019757
>>3019765
Thank all of you for your critiques! Is it looks a little better now ?

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you in the club and this guy slap the ass of your southernmost territory, what you gonna do

>>3019793
did you take a picture at an angle to help your perspective?

>>3019793
Nah, your drawing does a better job of roasting you than I could.

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>>3019865

>>3019793
wasting your time drawing these boxing characters when you don't know anatomy

>>3019868
Not a waste of time. But, yeah he needs to study anatomy.

>>3019837
Rejoice for the heartfelt decision of the territory's people, of course!
BTW, the perspective looks kinda weird on the butt, it looks like it's misaligned slightly with the rest of the weapon. The rear sight's "horizontal" plane also looks a bit off.

For the man, it's hard to tell since balaclava hides most of his face, but I think his eyes might be misaligned horizontally.

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lay it on me, whats wrong with it?!

>>3019936
you can leave beg

>>3019718
Thank you! Will keep that in mind.

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10 min from reference

i'm trying my hardest not to chickenscratch. also really bad at constructing the pose, this one isn't half bad in terms of proportions but it's hit and miss for me. just felt like posting it, if anyone sees something i havent noted that i need to sort out lemme know, i'd appreciate it

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im on my bob ross shit

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>>3020041

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HOW DO FACES WORK.

>>3020049
do studies

>>3020061
Is it still decent for2 min no ref

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study

>>3019462
Sure but you won't get shit from a ref with no definition. You will learn to simplify the body into basic shapes but in terms of actual anatomy you won't get shit. DesignDoll is useful for people who already know how to draw from imagination and are practicing perspective.

Trust me, I wasted like 5 months of my life using DesignDoll as a reference when I should have been learning anatomy.

>>3020105
looks like she's floating

>>3020066
no

start using references

>>3020105
Looks like she lost her soul.

>>3019549
The cranium isn't a circle. Get a reference of a skull, and draw it without the animu bullshit. The back of the cranium doesn't hang, it connects to the trapezius. If you connect it, you will see how wide and short your head is.

>>3019778
He's not looking for your approval, he's asking for advice. This post is completely nonconstructive. Kill yourself.

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any critiques on this? Studying male faces

>>3020144
open his mouth

>>3020144

Use a bigger brush with full opacity, first and foremost. Design your shapes, don't just stroke and stroke something until it looks like your ref, lay shapes down confidently.

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>>3020119
>body anatomy/proportions
head was a placeholder but I went and did a study anyway, symbol drew it to hell and back though

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>>3019830

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Help, is there anything wrong ? Thanks anons

>>3020196
several (many) things:

First the perspective.
I have no idea where I am in perspective to this character. Am I looking up to them? Down on them? Same height as them?
It's confusing, because I can see the top of their shoes, their right arm, yet also the side of the backpack and am seeing the underside of the what I presume is a helmet? At the same time I can't see the chin of the person from below, the right eye takes up more place on their face than the left, despite looking to the right (which should make it so that the eye takes up less of the face percentage wise).

Then arm length. up to the elbow they are okayish, but from there on to the hand the arms are simply too short.

Then the hand holding the rifle: it feels a bit small, and the placement is weird. There is no reason to grab the rifle where this character is grabbing it, and if one did, it would be oriented the other way (the shoulder part of the rifle is heavier than the barrel). It could work if the rifle was connected to a shoulder-strap, but alas: it isn't.

The shadow is also confusing, because it's applied so inconsistently. Their left foot isn't in the shadow, which makes it look like the foot is lifted into the air?

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rate my cock

>>3020207
Oh my god, i have never thought about it, it is a great help, thanks anon, you saved me

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need hot opinions

What program has the best looking graphite or pencil visuals? I'm very underwhelmed by how Photoshop deals with pencil texturing layering.

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feedback would be appreciated

Anyone know of a good, free resource for 3D models of human anatomy, like the musculoskeletal system and organs and what not. I tried biodigital or w/e but it never loads anything for me.

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do you ever feel like you are just waiting to die?

how do you know if a thumbnail composition will look good when you try to do the fullsized painting?

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>>3019163

Here a Potrait I tried do do.
Still struggling with the linkness, but the main point I would like to adress, since im not really happy with my rendering skill with pencil it would be nice if anyone could give me any tipps.

>>3020354
yeah, get a girlfriend lmao

>>3020331
ill be here when its finished

>>3020331
>>3020405
on second thought if i had to give an opinion its that your character is falling backwards, no matter how much you jirate you hips your feet will be below you head. unless you are michael jackson, stand up and try the pose yourself

>>3020420
>stand up and try the pose yourself
worked fine, what now. Are you obese or something?

How do you go from blocking in values to refined edges?

>>3020432
new layer -> bock in value -> erase edges -> collapse layer

easiest way. i have hotkeys for these

>>3020401

By doing it and failing. Experience from failure is precious. Just do it anon.

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first time i actually tried to sketch something and finish it while putting some effort into it, though i got no idea how to make shadows,
what do you thinkg /ic/

>>3019936

You have shit taste.

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>>3020451

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Just a 10min sketch

How do I improve, I'm tired of procrastinating here looking for the perfect advice. Too much of a pussy to draw

>>3020477
By drawing you fucking faggot.

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>>3020401
tried to give my elephant a scene

>>3020479
he looks lonely.

>>3020479
i like your elephant

>tablet driver fucks up and have to spend 2 hours reinstalling it

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>>3020503
>cheap out and buy huion tablet
>spend hours trouble shooting and looking for the correct driver
>finally find it on their tumblr

>>3020505
What the fuck? They use a tumblr as official site?

>>3020506
>believing the Wac-kikes lies

>>3020505
any problems i've had with huion (or wacom for that matter) were related to windows pushing its tablet/touch input device crap trying to override it

>>3020509
I've never had a problem with wacom products.

>>3020505
>Buy huion tablet download driver from their website search model number
>Download and Install it
>No problems since

Literally took like sub 5mins.

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Are the proportions alright? What is the worst part of this drawing?

I ran out of space for the feet, but the body itself is 8 heads tall.
The 3/4 view is fucked up, to me it seems like she is hunching a bit, also in both views the vagina is either way too high or the hands/arms are too long.
The 3/4 view face is full of symbol drawing, I thought I had gotten rid of it after going through the entirety of Drawing on the right side of the brain, but maybe not.

How do I unfuck my shit up?

>>3020524
Gesture and construction what you did look like a self-taught beginner.

Also, lrn2proportions and perspective.

>>3020430
Alright

>>3020469
>pronebone

hot

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>>3020524
>self taught beginner
Well I mean it's the thread for it and all

Where do I learn about proportions? I read Loomis Figure Drawing section on it and I've been practicing for a while but it just doesn't seems to come out right.
As for perspective, you mean of the entire body right? I read something about that on Vilppu's Drawing Manual but I still dont get it, if I want to draw that woman where do I locate the horizon line and vanishing points? Or am I confusing things here?

Its weird. after i tried painting a couple times, I cant draw with the pencil the same anymore.

This unsettled me and I just sat on the feeling for a week or so and today I realized I might be getting over my cartoon/manga-inspired obsession over perfect lines/perfect pencil sketches.

at least i think so. i just dont get the same kick out of making dingy little drawings anymore.

>>3020538
meant for
>>3020529

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>>3020430
I hope this todays exchange helps to right your course.

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>>3020420
>>3020552
I have no idea what you're trying to show. Or are you saying the head is the centre of mass?

>>3020575
m8 youve got the worst attitude ive seen in a long time. you character is NOT balanced and the perspective is bad. fix it and quit being a little bitch

>>3020578

It's bait m8...

>>3020505

>spend hours looking for driver

>on tumblr

>>3020578
I didn't want to say it that way but this anon got the jist of my crit, >>3020575 im trying to show you where YOU placed the center of mass, it doesn't make sense. i don't have access to photo shop on this pc but try rotating it on your computer until my red line is a str8 vertical line. I hope at that point you will be able to see whats wrong with your picture.

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>>3020420
>>3020578
>>3020580
>>3020586
>samefag

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>>3019462
my shit aint 3d

even when using refs i just default

gotta stop being a bitch

>>3020402
Practice your fundamentals first, there are too many issues to address them individually

If you could go back in time and give yourself advice, what would it be?

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>>3020588

>Deluded

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Hat writing is Japanese for mayhem because that's what I call this guy

Anyone have some progress pictures I need some motivation?

>>3020606
Go to /ic/ and concepart so I could experience the golden years.

>>3020606
I'd say err 2007-08...stop reading loomis grind vilppu all summer

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>>3019164
Shitty ref but r8 my block in?

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Is anyone else familiar with this exercise in the Vilppu drawing manual?

You are basically supposed to take a sphere and a solid form such as a cube, etc and conjoin them like they are wrapped in a sheet or something.

I've been drawing a bunch of these but I don't think I understand why or what this exercise is trying to make me understand.

>>3020648
The true meaning of "wasting time".

>>3020641
Don't blindly copy the values in the ref
Analyze the form and the light and block in shadow shapes accordingly

>>3020650
oh my fucking god i just want to learn how to draw anime tiddies but I need to learn how to draw real tiddies first but every exercise I do seems like a waste of time then.

>>3020651
I'm a retard and can't comprehend any of this. Can you elaborate?

>>3020652
I will never understand dedicating years of your life to draw fucking anime porn

>>3020652
>I need to learn how to draw real tiddies first
who told you that and why did you listen to them

>>3020659
I don't actually want to draw porn I was just attempting to be funny but im autistic as fuck.

Real talk, /ic/. Do I have to do the measuring with a pencil crap when I draw from life/reference?

>>3020648
It is an exercise meant to develop your understanding of 3D forms. If you can grasp this concept, then you have the foundation to draw anything, since any form can be analysed as an amalgamation of much simpler forms.

Just have fun with it, try drawing simple cartoons or anything you can think of

>>3020659
AS109 Literally inspired me to learn how to draw.

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do I get the backpats now

>>3020714
You were already good, anon.

>>3020714
How long did it take you to get to this point?

Do you have some of your earlier drawings that you could share?

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>>3020715
>imbligning
>>3020717
it's been roughly a month and two weeks now since I started seriously trying to improve

>>3020714
Damn, nice progression. How did you get so good?

>>3020714
Nice work anon, any tips for that level of linework?

>>3020726
/ic/ believed in me and cheered me every step of the way which gave me the strength I needed
>>3020727
go around the edges when you're done

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Working on a drawing of Venom. Got most of the base linework done, gonna add some detail like wrinkles and such then go over all of it with a .5mm pen. Tryin to figure out the best way to add shadow ato this character when hes already all black.

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Any values tuts for beginner?

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>>3020750
Seconding this.

can someone recommend me a routine? I have a fulltime job, and between feeding myself and shitposting and whatnot I can only make time to draw for a couple hours most days. I usually start off warming up with lots of straight lines, curves, waves (the 8x repeated thing), and ellipses, but by the time I get through just these I'm like 40 minutes in, and basically have no time or energy to put a lot of effort into drawing something I actually want to draw. I've also tried occasionally mixing up this routine with some gesture practice and boxes in perspective, but I feel like I'm just not getting enough practice with anything. I havent even begun to think about value or any kind of rendering stuff, but I can't imagine where I can fit that into my routine, unless I start changing these dailies into weeklies and just cycling through them each day or something. someone please help!

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Tried my hand at getting back to ink drawing. Not sure I pulled it off right but I gave it a good crack all the same.

Any criticism is appreciated, with thanks!

>>3020714
Work on your hands

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>>3020724
How did you decipher the secret of anime heads?
Please teach me, I can't get over this hurdle.

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I feel like I'm getting better.

>>3020878
Your drawing skills are as bad as your judgement

>>3020877
You already look like you've got it anon, just put on hair and eyes.

>>3020877
>>3020726
>>3020727
>>3020715
Are these posts ironic?

>>3020887
yeah. that guy isn't taken seriously in this thread anymore (and he references it earlier) a little pitying but /beg/ is /beg/

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I did this just today
How am i going lads?

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>>3020714
This is a pic of how far you characters back is arched, also work on your hands

>>3020891
Think in cubes, not spheres
You should focus on values before you start colors

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>>3020884
Help me.

Shit on me all you want, but help me /beg/.

>>3020891
Why do you have so many colors?

>>3020898
I don't know what you need help with, anon, it looks really good. Got a blog or something I can follow you on? I like your progress.

>>3020898
Really nice anon! How did you get so good?

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How the fuck do you get clean, consistent lines like this traditionally?

>>3020902
years of practice

>>3020902
>when they tell you not to draw every strand of hair and you actually do it for years

>>3020898
Anime face is all in the hair, this guy is an annoying youtuber but he is pretty good at all things modern anime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY_YSLCf0pM

he has plenty of other tutorials

>>3020907
Holy shit, where have you been the past few months? No one ever has any videos on anime hair.

>>3020910

are you kidding? there are anime videos all over youtube, retard

>>3020917
Yeah, but in my opinion he is the best. And the least anoying

Why are we supposed to do long strokes with pen?

Made my first drawing since elementary school

What are some good ways to learn anatomy and really engrain it into your head unconsciously?

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>>3020949
Forgot, s-sorry

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do picking color from reference using eye dropper is considered haram??

>>3020957
haram. you are learning nothing if you use the eyedropper. Select your color, paint over your reference, and see if it is right. If not, ctrl+z and try again until it is right

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I'm trying to study colors, should I get less complex things to start with? Any tips to how to study it? I just plan in getting random images and trying to copy them until I get it.

>>3020965
the horse dont reflect this white color that u choose to put in it. its a brown high in value and down in saturation. not fucking white, jesus. when begginers ll learn to not shade with white and black in a colorful piece

>>3019529
How do you render so well?

>>3020878
u are not getting better. u are getting less terrible. But still terrible.

>>3020714
Your character's calves are tiny compared to the thighs.

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I cannot escape

How do i stop the line on my graphics tablet looking so wanky? When i do it extremely fast it looks alright but when i go slow it looks shit, its not a reflection of my skill either

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>>3021017
1. Pic related
2. You've listened to Jon Hassel's "The Surgeon of the Nightsky Restores Dead Things with the Power of Sound" for over a month; set a different Youtube album as your homepage, like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qae7k321nVo.
3. Stop listening to music when drawing you dip

>>3020965
-no white except the forehead
0missed that fence
-the sky is a gradiant
-trees are darker
-learn to blend

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>>3020538
>Well I mean it's the thread for it and all
Yes but as a beginner you do lots of beginner mistakes and you never correct them because you never know better.

Get on some tutorials and reading books.
For gesture I suggest proko figure drawing series, for perspective, D'Amelio and Norlng.

When it comes to proportions supposedly Hale is the best because cranial width and height is the same regardless how you look at it and can be used even at extreme perspective angles.

To fit an arm into a box of 6 for example all you have to do is draw a box and divide it with one of this methods.
http://andreasaronsson.com/guides/perspective-drawing/divide-into-equal-parts/
It will work regardless of perspective.

>>3020524
>Are the proportions alright?
no, not at all. Bot right has a nose so big only jews could compete, the two figures have shrunken heads and odd body shapes. Trace a figure and compare

>>3021044
shitty ref dont post again.

>>3020868
Nice handwriting anon...

noses. please help, i cant draw noses

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My first time posting to /ic/ or 4chan at all, hopefully did everything right. Any critiques or advice?

>>3021085
You can leave the /beg/ threads.

>>3021089
Okay, just wanted to make sure. Thanks

>>3021085
I dont see how this being your first post is relevant at all. Focus on depth, his left leg is incredibly flat. Shadows on the horns and fans are needed to stop them looking like an extra layer and not part of the drawing.

>>3020878
I know this is technically shit but i love it

>>3021102
its like i said multiple times over when he first joined. This is very good, just in a really concealed way.

>>3021091
I meant "hope I did everything right" in the posting format and stuff since I've never used the platform before. Relevant in that sense. Thank you for the critiques

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>>3020977
>>3021040
>when begginers ll learn to not shade with white and black in a colorful piece
>no white except the forehead

Holy fuck.

>>3021128
look at the horses forehead, its fur is white there, not a reflection of white. Glad to know im talking to a retard though

>>3020737
Try finding an existing drawing of venom and practice the size and spacing of his teeth a bit. It seems like you're already done this a little, but in your drawing his teeth look somewhat too thin. I don't know a lot about comics but I think venom's iconic thing is his gnarly lookin mouth right?

>>3020606
Don't even try to argue when you're being criticized. Agree and thank at least ostensibly.

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im not getting any better

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thots?

>>3021149
is it supposed to be hot? fix your strokes and finish your drawings (feet and hands)

>>3021158

its a sketch, wont finish

>>3021159
lazy sketches will stop you from improving. Work on posture too, im pretty sure this is meant to be sitting? the depth is wrong

>>3021160

no, shes floating. Also i never do nsfw except for shitty sketches

>>3021161
you have to convey the floating better then.

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Help !! Can someone redraw for me, thanks anon, i have troubles in making her not flat, her shadow and way to hold a rilfe, it look 3.2/10

>>3021167
are you that sc player?

>>3021168
No ?! Is there a gamer here ? And what is "sc" mean ?

>>3021169
dont worry, it looks very similar to the art quality and theme of a starcraft (1, not 2) player

I'll never be good. I'll never make it.

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>>3021171
No, actually, it only better than the first drawing a little bit,but i like the first more, im depressed now, pls help, anons

>>3021182
same. but what can i say. Its all in practice. I don't do enough. Like with guitar, i studied daily for a while and got good for my time playing but then i stopped, now ive fallen behind by a mile. Then I look at my art. I practise as a hobby and i've gotten better but my consistency is still of. I do some amazing self portraits and aheago art. Then I drop the ball. But if I keep at it I'll get better. My problem is lack of focus. Same with everything really

>>3021184
what are you saying no to? That wasnt a stab at you about looking similar to the sc player. These arent that bad either.

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>>3019161

Trying to stick with practicing gesture drawing. Pretty fun too. Any tips?

>>3020402

concerning the portrait itself try to improve specifically on shape and value.

on shape it helps a lot when one has a frame for a figure to be drawn, start with the usual egg head then add the values from there with light to darkening pressures of pencil

which brings us to value. one of the bad habits I consider as a beginner artist is the habit of pressing down too much on the canvas with the pencil or pen. it's always better to start light, very light. this is to help in erasures, and to adjust on whether to darken further. going too dark allows less modification and erasures

as another tip:
try using the eraser more, apart from being a tool for cleaning the canvas, it can also be used to lighten values.

>>3021184

This isn't that bad, work on the feet and hands in this drawing and you're doing a lot better than most.

>>3019545

can't critique as I haven't delved into painting, nevertheless I like the painting so far.

just to say that it looks good anon

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>>3021188
Thanks anons, but i im trying to improve her shadow and some of mistakes, im depressed because i make no process compare to my water painting, here is my art journey started 3 weeks ago, i spend one week for color and derp, one for realistic face, and now anime, i make no process in anime

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>>3019529
Ribcage too long and, along with shoulders, attempts to incorporate three different angles at the same time; head is too far back and not wide enough at the same time; eyes too deep, forehead angle too sharp; arms a bit too skinny, with lower arm too long; the hand is terrible; legs too detached from the butt/too far forward; upper legs too short compared to the lower part; heels too far forward; feet without any real shape
pic related is a first decently similar result from google images for comparison

>>3020981
Half of that rendering is the paper, the other half is the trick to make the middle of the shadow darker than the outside parts. Well not exactly the middle but you'll hopefully notice what I'm talking about.

>>3020156

The effort on this critique, jesus, I applaud you anon

>>3020895
Are you saying that the figure is too bubbly?

>>3020899
its a palette

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tested out some sort of perspective drawing

does it work or not?

>>3020350

you can go two ways from here, go full van gogh, or smothen things to reality

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idk

>>3020350
There is no reason to do it this way, you're only muddling the result. Decide on a few colors/values, block them and only after that consider adding in-betweens. Also avoid pictures taken with shitty phones when looking for a color reference, you won't believe how much they can fuck the palette up.

>>3020615
Would really like a crit guys

>>3021213
it does, but the pecs look like sunken halved papayas

>>3021184
you think a little fuck up stops you completely? mileage is built not only from the good works but also from the hundreds of shit strokes, perspectives, shapes, and irregularities of our works

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>>3019161
should I study observation and sight on humans or are objects better ? Also should I read all of Keys to Drawing to get a good grasp on observation ?

>>3021224
Thanks anon, you helped me, after i grinding loomis for a week, i started to doubt myself and hate my works, i think i gonna take a break now

>>3020591

People still care about touhou?

Man, i had nightmares (litterally) 4 days in a row after grinding loomis for a week, i think we need to draw what we love, not only pure study

>>3021233
youre supposed to combine the two. Jewmis isnt meant to be drawing stocky bald men non stop.

>>3021230
>

>>3021226
objects to give you fundamentals. Once you can do that properly you incorporate it into humans

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I feel like no matter what I try, I just can't draw human bodies. What do I need to do to improve

>>3021239
first off these are alright
you need to focus on the body, not all the other crap;
-no faces yet
-no trillion chicken scratch
-bodies only!
-no color

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>>3021230
What makes you think otherwise?

>to draw pure 2D anime tiddies you must first know how to draw 3DPD tiddies
The shit I put up with.

>>3021247
no... "anime" style, at least the modern one is based on being forgiving to proportions

>>3021247
Not necessarily true, you could use a tutorial and just draw circles.

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how come the only drawings with effort put in get ignored while bait gets 6 replies

>>3021253
It's reality, effort is useless if it's not appealing.

>>3021253
>park posting
>>>/tv/
Theres almost no bait in this thread, just because your post got ignored doesnt mean the thread is shit

>>3021253
It's either people don't feel like they can help you (they're below your level) or your art is not interesting enough to them.

If you stuggle with something, make sure to ask questions so others could lead you in the right direction.

>>3021253
Because it's better than yours

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>>3021253
my art is so boring,
nobody gives shit. and nobody will do
but not gonna bitchin about it

>>3021262
You're telling me that >>3020714 is better than >>3021181 ?

>>3021269
yes, in many many ways. Yours is shit and doesnt actually have that much effort put into it

>>3021269
8 replies now

>>3021265
Cute

>>3021218
its nothing really, at most i can say your kanji (or chinese or whatever) is so poorly written that its clear you havent written much before.

>>3021253
When nobody responds I think it's either they themselves aren't better than me or what little they can critique is quite obvious. Mostly the latter as this board outside the promo thread is 80% beg.

>>3021273
>many ways
e.g.?

>>3021307
skil and style, actual composition and regardless of their mistakes they actually finished their work

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>>3019659
draw the whole head

>>3021307
stop replying to bait

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I made this picture some months ago (or even a year, I'm not sure) and now I want to make a new version. Do you have any constructive criticism for me? What should I make different to make it look better?

>>3021321
fix the face, work on the skulls a bit more, maybe lower the legs and show the other arm

>>3019202

What about situations where there is complex objects that do not have a clear edge to use as a basis for determining a horizon? Like say human that is jumping in a weird pose. Or multiple objects that are not parallel to each other. Or a natural landscape. Or the picture doesn't even have a ground, just random objects floating in space not parallel to each other whatsoever.

How do you work with a vanishing point that is way above or below the picture plain, as in when the "camera" starts to look into the floor and such. Or is it the same as if the vanishing point going way out to the sides? Can 1\2\3 point perspectives be used together for such cases? Is it like rendering one object in the scene and then you start the whole process over again for a different object that is not parallel to the one you just made or are you totally stuck with whatever VP\horizon you have?

It's kinda painful to wrap my head around this concepts for some reason.

Not OP, but this is relevant to my interest.

>>3021230
/jp/ has ensured touhou will be cared for until the next century

I know its an obvious tip, but i swear this just improved me tenfold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMC0Cx3Uk84

>>3021329
Thank you. I must confess I was never happy with her face. I'll see what I can do.

>>3019202
>>3021332
This.

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>>3021345
chin position
eyes are too railroaded (not sloped)
nose rework
hair positioning
main thing to focus on

i know this is a bad edit and i didnt move the chin, but see how the angle is all messed up in the original?

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>>3021352
chin position is part of the style u dip

>>3021359
i know the face is meant to be pointed up and not how i changed it to, im showing that the current face didnt convey what he wanted. instead i showed where the current face should be because of the perspective its drawn from as well as the head

>>3021352
I would add the neck.
Neck have its own elasticity areas, for example 50% of bend occur in the second to last vertebrae.
Your neck kinda stiff and straight

>>3021364
wrong post to reply to, im just editing the face

>>3021372
I know I just didnt felt like backlicking trough all those replies to the original pic so it was faster to jump on your wagon.

>>3021343
I hold mine between my index and thumb but still use the elbow/shoulder
am I retarded ?

>>3021379
I do that too.

>>3021379
as a tripod hold? try the other grip for a bit

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How does one into little girls

Could anyone give me some advice or point out what's wrong? I'd really appreciate it.

>>3021399
feet and ankles

>>3021208
>attempts to incorporate three different angles at the same time;
Do you mean 3 points of view? Like showing too many sides of the ribcage at the same time?

>head is too far back and not wide enough at the same time
Far forward maybe? Or far back from view?

Really helpful critique thank you. The picture is great as well. What did you google to find it?

>>3020981
Like he said, the grain of the paper adds texture. The rest is just applying basic lighting. The back area is lit, then there is the edge of the shadow which is darkest and soft ambient light on the other side. It helps to know some anatomy to show the form better. Shade lightly with the pencil.

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>>3019164
Well, practice is still practice. Even with that result.
>>3020641
Is it work in Photoshop?

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>>3021381
No, basically like a guitar pick.

>>3021399
I've found that making the proportions "shorter" (around 6 heads tall) makes it work but that's exactly what you did.

is there any leeway for drawing faces?

Like lowering the eyes a lot more and just scrunching the face? I'm just wondering because it seems like even if something is off proportion by centimeters it looks horrible.

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I kek'd. It must be either foresight or meme magic.

>>3021421
everyone has a different face

stop being so locked in on "the one way to draw a face"

>>3021421
millimetres make it off, leeway only comes from stylisation

>>3021452
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>>3021452
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>>3021452
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