/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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>>2984444
guys
my wip is creeping me out
wat do

How do you draw kids?

I keep ending up with adult midgets.

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tfw too intelligent for perspective

>>2984464
Post some examples and I can try to offer advice

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>>2984465
alright uuuh

>>2984533
is that supposed to be a cube at the bottom left
it has a sloped top

>>2984535
oh shit

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>>2984533
>>2984535
>>2984540
>tfw one wrong angle makes you have to redo the entire thing

>>2984546
you thought this would be easy?

>>2984551
its fun cause its THREE DE

this is the first perspective exercise i enjoy, it's relaxing

>>2984551
of course not
good luck though man

was supposed to be in the draw a head from imagination thread, but figured it would be better to post it here

>>2984555
thank you buddy

>>2984556
ya blew it

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>>2984549

>>2984457


>>2959304

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>>2984567
You know this is the begginer thread
right?

>>2984569
yes, for normal, serious beginners... mostly.

he draws porn that shit goes here >>2959304

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Tried to do some studies today after ~1 month of drawing, how bad am I? Any advice on getting rid of the chicken scratch other than "practice more"?

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>>2984575

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>>2984573
>yes, for normal, serious beginners... mostly.
r u 4 real

>>2984575

You know those exercise drawing circle, lines, curves and boxes? Do that before any practice. It'll fix your chicken scratching.

You can videos about it on youtube.

>https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=basic+drawing+exercises

>>2984578
instead of a flat out X try drawing arrows and X's showing where corrections need to be made.

also lrn2construction, as in make rough sketches using shapes.

>>2984581
ignore it and maybe it'll go away
fucking bridge trolls keep on stealing my goats

>>2984559
i blew it

>>2984581

Well out of everyone who frequent this thread there's like one or two every week... I think.

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I have been teaching myself how to draw for the last year. I would like to know if I have any potential at all before I commit to taking any classes. I will post four photos (I'm sorry if four is too many) from the sketchbook that I've just filled.

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>>2984587

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>>2984588
i will flip the remaining

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>>2984589
alright its a disaster

>>2984585
The pose is kinda stiff, and you need to be more conscious of le hands. Aisde from that, very nice.

>>2984590
Don't post from your phone. If you've been drawing seriously for a year and you still remain on this level... well, you might have some potential, but you certainly don't have any innate talent and you certainly won't learn quickly (if you didn't just doodle mindlessly but were grinding your fundies in accordance to the right textbooks).

>>2984601
i doodled mindlessly, learning from my mistakes

>>2984601
Thanks anon! Not sure how to fix the stiff pose, but I'll keep working on them and hands also.

>>2984604
Ok then, here's the list of what you need to fix first:
1) Chicken scratching.
2) Facial/head anatomy.
3) Body anatomy, mostly symmetry, proportions, and joints. Use a mirror to detect your mistakes while it's not too late.

>>2984611
IMO, you need to change the posture: move the pelvis forward and position her left leg (the closer one) some other way. Turn the foot so that it almost faces the viewer, but not quite. A bit of a hack, although my observation data is insufficient: standing on tiptoes can add a great deal of dynamism to the character.

I hope this is the right thread - can someone tell me clearly how to draw from the shoulder? I'm going through the drawabox lessons, and searching through his subreddit, but it seems nobody can actually explain or show the motion despite being very insistent that people do it.

>>2984614
I see. I have no idea what chicken scratching is. I can only draw from reference, it is very difficult for me to draw from imagination.

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>>2984611
learn gesture

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>>2984616
Assuming you were always drawing from the wrist...
1) Hold your drawing utensil as you would normally.
2) Put your hand on the canvas.
3) While keeping the pen on the canvas, raise the wrist from it so that your forearm is parallel to the canvas if it's horizontal
4) Doodle while consciously not lowering the wrist. The forearm with your hand must stay fixed. You only move your shoulder.

There, you're drawing from your shoulder.
To get used to it, consciously draw everything from the shoulder for about a week.

>>2984620
Chicken scratching is drawing a line that's supposed to be long and clean in short, meek strokes.

>>2984625
whats the purpose of 90% of those lines

>>2984628
no purpose, but it looks cool, and it was the first not-shit gesture drawing i could find on google images

>>2984629
>> not-shit
Um...
I-Interesting taste, anon...

>>2984626
Don't use lines that long. CSI is not a meme.

>>2984629
>>2984638
It doesn't even look like restatement its just scribbles.

>>2984626
Thanks. That's a lot clearer. Is it normal to draw longer, straighter lines in this fashion left to right across my body? It seems almost impossible to draw away from me without leaning forwards slowly or moving my elbow.

What's this lazy nezumi thing the cool kids keep talking about

Also nice quads OP

>>2984628
What you're looking at is pure energy. A lot of good artists have their own workflow involving character drawing and some of them just lose themselves in the initial stages and put whatever line down. Obviously since they've made it (or at least are better than the /ic/ average) they can get away with it and it works as you can see the "final" lines that describe the form like around the legs and such.

>>2984629

There's a scribbly method of gesture drawing but the scribbles are used to add volume to the gesture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nT03ZQwYM4

Maybe try practicing this. Might feel natural for you.

>>2984646
Yeah, I'm just exaggerating to make my point clear.

>>2984649
I personally find drawing straight horizontal lines hard. Diagonal? No problem. Vertical lines? A little bit more difficult, but ok too. Horizontal? Why... these... fuckers... keep... curving, dammit!
(The actual reason is that my tablet is positioned badly, but I don't have much space on my table anyway, and my apartments would require throwing out some of the furniture to make place for a bigger table.)

>>2984655
A Photoshop plugin that allows Photoshop users to be a smoother criminal with lines.
In short, just use CSP with MaiCrack.

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>>2984655
Do you intentionally want to start a conversation about Lazy Nezumi or are you just too lazy to read the two-sentence writeup you can find on their website through a fucking google search

>>2984663
Sounds like placebo to me

>>2984444
nice quad 4s

>>2984663
>overwatch shit
Back to fucking /vg/ we don't need that cancer here

>>2984626
>>2984646
what are the benefits of chicken scratch?

>>2984672
>> implying there are any
Lol, no.
Well, chicken scratching is easier than drawing cleanly and confidently, that's for sure.

>>2984672
none.

however, animators use small well placed lines in their sketches so that the frames perfectly overlay. this may resemble chicken scratch

another thing beginners tend to mistake for chicken scratch are trying out lines in your sketch to find the right one. finding lines loom scribbly but are not short and uncertain, they still follow the flow. those are aldo sometimes mistaken for chickensratch

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>>2984671
someone's mad

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>>2984614
I made some adjustments in photoshop to try to do some of the changes you mentioned. I couldn't get the feet to work other than firmly planted. But yeah, for the next drawing I'll be sure to keep those things in mind.

>>2984625
Yeah I definitely gotta do gesture.

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>>2984677
Yup. Let me give some supporting fire.
For example, >>2984625 is not chicken scratching (see how clean the lines are?) while >>2984588 or >>2984575 are great examples of the opposite.

>>2984681
You might've misunderstood me. See this.

>>2984681
>>2984697
Oh, and yes, you fixed the pelvis, or so it seems. It might need some rework if we are to rotate the leg. Remember that a buttock is a part of a leg and rotates along with it.

sometimes i draw better when i dont use boxes and cylinders to build something? is this bad or good? what does it mean for the way i practice and the way i draw?

>>2984601
Wait, I would still like to know how much potential I have. I do not want to waste time and energy on something if I cannot master it. I have not been drawing seriously at all, it has been merely a hobby. I would draw maybe once or twice a week and I rarely finish my drawings (maybe 40% I complete, I usually stop after an unfixable mistake). Also, should I look at those Loomis books before I take an intro art class in the fall, or should I just continue as is and wait to be taught in class?

It's not chicken scratching if you're just blocking out the lines, right? I was taught to draft in a really light medium like an then put the final smooth linework in with a softer pencil lead

>>2984699
>It might need some rework if we are to rotate the leg. Remember that a buttock is a part of a leg and rotates along with it.

I see it now. I think that can be done. I'll just have to redraw the leg front facing and the butt further from view. I will work on those edits. Thanks for the helpful feedback.

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I think I might be able to produce a drawing I'm vaguely satisfied with soon
I think

>>2984722
>hes actually improving
why did i fall for the "you have to learn to draw realism before you can stylise" meme

>>2984728
saying things like that will only make him keep stagnating

>>2984728
because memes are fun
>>2984733
this is a meme

>>2984739
>this is a meme
you just fell for the meme

>memes memes memes
kys

>kys
wow what a meme

>>2984697
newfag here I can see it in >>2984588 but how is >>2984575 chicken scratching? looks more like restating the lines to me

Anything blatantly wrong? Friend says hand is weird, but im having a hard time telling whats wrong with it.

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I need your help ;-; How do I blend colors without making them become transparent? The program i'm using is paint tool sai.

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>>2984775
picture didnt post for some reason.

>>2984703
need answer

>>2984776
Also, i'm working with layers. The tools that cause me trouble with this are brush, water and blur. Sorry for my bad english.

>>2984777
Does your hand look like that?

>>2984797
Yes, i took a picture to compare it to mine, still trying to figure out why its so off.

>>2984703
>>2984781
Post work for comparison

>>2984804
post a picture of your hand then

>>2984804
rhetorical question, unless your hand suffers from deformaties it does not look like that

>>2984805
its on the level of small detail so its not something someone else could notice. just answer on the philosophical level please.

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>>2984777
>chicken scratching the upper part of the holes or whatever the fuck those are
You are still too early to do a piece as complicated as that anon.

Go back to read the sticky

the line-art is wrong, the anatomy is wrong, the positions are weird, etc.

>>2984703
Boxes and cylinders just makes it easier to see form. Do it enough you don't need to draw it to see it. To me thats the goal. To practice until it feels natural.

I just wasted a bunch of money on the idrawgirls.com website that's in the w/ic/i. Man you guys sure got me :(

These videos arent even in HD.
If you are a beginner throwing money at your dreams isn't going to make them happen.

>>2984601
What would you call "the right textbooks"? What order should I follow them in? I've never found a good post detailing a path of books to follow, so I'm searching for recommendations to grind away at this Summer.

>>2984861
There's a torrent with all the videos from that site...

>>2984861
all you need to spend money for is a sketchbook and a pencil

download everything from cgpeers

>>2984861
>>2984933
kek

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how do I make lineart like this?

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Doodled this quick sketch of Malachite. Is this worth continuing?

>>2984944
a black round brush. I'd hardly call that lineart.

>>2984955
But there's some colored parts, I don't get it

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Current wip, I put it down after I got frustrated.

>>2984961
Line sculpt then paint the lines you want.

>>2984962
terrible attitude but ok drawing and it artistically isnt terrible which is unnusual for /beg/

>>2984971
Just pass over the black lineart? And the blending will do it? Ok thanks

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>>2984962
>>2984980

Thanks I guess.

Some perspective, it looks off as fuck. It was supposed to be a super long rectangle in 3 Point Perspective with 2 other rectangles, one in 2 PP and the other in 1 PP

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>>2984995
Rotated

>>2984944
Source please, can't find this with any search engine.

>>2985000
why are you asking /beg/
ask /draw/, the questions thread or the discord.
i wont lie that was pretty retarded m8

>>2985002
Because the person who posted the image seemed genuinely interested in it, suggesting they'd at least have a link to where they found it

What's a good size for a drawing tablet? Right now I'm forced to either do tiny little marks or zoom way in if I want to get any shoulder movement at all. All the zooming is annoying and since it hides most of the image it's hard to keep angles and proportions consistent.

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>>2984728
because he hasn't plateau'd yet. had he known form he wouldve fixed the neck by now.

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Here's another drawing. I'm working on drapery and clothing in general.

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>>2984445

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practice drawings I made after seeing the "draw a face from imagination" thread. Royally fucked up the one in the upper left and the front view (I hate doing those without context). Opinions / advice?

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I try new things

Most cost effective paper for practicing? Looking at newsprint, does it get cheaper than that?

>>2985042
Printer paper

>>2985042
Buy anything on sale. Recycle.

>>2985042
Newsprint is a good option. But don't buy if you plan on using graphite pencils as they don't work on newsprint well.

>>2985041
You again.

>>2985032
forehead looks a tad too big

>>2985053
I've mostly been using charcoal lately.

Actually, on that topic, is there such a thing as a mechanical charcoal pencil? After the novelty of sharpening charcoal pencils with a razor wore off, I've found it to be incredibly tedious and prone to breakage.

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Is the Foundation Group patreon any good? They recently made the tutorial in this pic and looking through FZD/Art Center stuff this seems to be a common exercise that normally we just don't do. I'm tempted to buy it.

>>2985042
Get a large pad of newsprint and some charcoal and never look back. Not only cheap but you'll also probably improve faster especially if you follow Watts or Proko's methods.

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It's Fritz Lang

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>>2985069

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>>2985032
>>2985055
Thanks.

>>2985077
yeaah there you go

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>>2984708
I don't know, man. You might have none at all, or you might actually become a pro artist who will publish his own textbook in, say, twenty years from now.
However, if you rarely find yourself wanting to finish a drawing, it clearly marks you as ngmi.

>>2984722
Make the neck thicker. Good expression there, me liek.

>>2984914
What works for you and what is written by someone who knows his shit. It might be Hampton, it might be Loomis, it might as well be Houtengeki if you want to draw lewdly thicc animoo qts like pic related.

>>2985029
Her face doesn't seem human...

>>2985039
The funny thing is, those two could actually be called the best ones out of them. Everything else is royally fucked up regardles of whether you tried to draw animoo anatomy or gone realistic. Most visible with the placement of ears. Advice depends on what you want to achieve, but anyway, what I wrote for >>2984914 applies to you too.

>>2985041
Am I seein' things, or he actually improved after all this time?

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>>2985158
>>2985039
that bad huh? welp, I do admit, I never actually took the time to figure out the exact placement of the ears. (also not really going for anime... more like a comic style.... damn).

Do you have any advice on how to improve on pic related? (pose is kinda stiff, but it was for that my style, your style thread.)

>>2985197
The position of your girl's right (far) arm is dubious, albeit possible. Also, is her upper torso rotated off-axis intentionally? If yes, I think it's ok. If not... yeah, you might guess my thoughts. I'm not sure if her pelvis and hips are separated properly too, and the shape of her legs is dubious.

Anyway, given that female hair has considerable volume, this one is a lot better than those heads, maybe due to the smaller size. I find it easier to draw faces and heads small, too. You can use this for reference:
https://sketchfab.com/models/e8813c9dc7764c9fb8bc956ff7543bba
https://sketchfab.com/models/e07356fe016e4d6d93653145059fd6ec

all I want to draw is cute girls doing lewd things

do I need to draw 9 million cubes?

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shit

>>2985217
Thanks man, I can't believe I didn't notice the torso was rotated.

References are great though. I'll look more into the shape of said body parts and maybe read up on some loomis again. I always use it to draw heads, but maybe I forgot some crucial part or whatever.

>>2985158
what book is that? name? link?

>>2985241

https://mega.nz/#F!icUU0III!KnCIHK5CT1BTGsWMtuITF
yes

>>2985244
!KnCIHK5CT1BTGsWMtuITFw

>>2985220
it helps

>>2985246
ty

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>>2985246
>>2985244
Thanks!

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>>2984444
Hey guys. I'm new here and I don't know which book to start with. I read the sticky btw but some people said it was shit and others said it was good. I couldn't seperate the shitpost from the real advice since I'm a beginner. Can somebody please tell me where to start? No memes pls. Thanks in advance.

so if i draw 10,000 cubes i'll be an artist?

>>2985350
the term "artist" is so loosely thrown around you can take a shit and be an artist

>>2985350
An autist? Definitely.

>>2985350
Haven't you ever seen a 3D modeling program? The tea kettle is the most primitive shape. You should draw 10,000 tea kettles.

>>2985350
No, you just need to understand how cubes work and then learn how to apply that in conjunction with the other fundamentals.

>>2985350
you need to become the cube, to understand the cube...

>>2985363
w-whoa

>>2985350
draw 10,000 tesseracts instead

Drawabox seems awfully similar to Peter Han's dynamic sketching series.

>>2985405
drawabox = ISIS

>>2985412
I thought all those warnings about never using your knowledge for drawing the Prophet Mohammad were suspicious.

Pls critic /ic/
I know I have to work more on hair, hand, feet and everything, but I worder if I could make some expression and soul in this sketch.

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>>2985440
Pic related

>>2985405
He learnt from him

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No matter how hard I try, no matter how much I catch and try to fix the mistakes I make, I just can't draw a box right.

Is this it for me?

>>2985454
Post your box

I'm trying to wrap contour lines around organic forms and they always come out off somehow. Seems like it's hard to find real world examples to look at for reference. Are there like 3D models you can learn from, or do you just look at other people's work and practice until you get a feel for it?

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>>2985458
Some from earlier. They always have that feeling of 'a corner's off' and I just cant rectify it. An anon critiqued my boxes a while back, but it turned out I didn't really understand what they meant.

Is a felt tip marker supposed to feel and sound like it's grinding against the paper? Just normal printer paper.

>>2985499
Perspective.

>>2985505
Does it make lines? If yes, then yes.

>>2985509
idk how can i tell

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>>2985514

>>2985518
your anatomy is all wrong you need loomis

>>2985518
I think you need some Loomis in your life.

>>2985499
Go read Norling's perspective book at least up to Step Seven.

>>2985518
>> tegaki.png
Oh, thanks for leaving a note. I almost thought you drew it the way your picture shows.

>>2985444
>>2985444
>>2985444

Why don't you criticize my sketch, I can't handle waiting so long ;_;

>>2985539
Sticky, LoomisHamptonVilppu... or NGMI.

If we go into more detail: this is either an elaborate bait, or you're a complete beginner and have to start from the very zero. If you are not convinced, just go find a front/side view reference of a standing nude woman and compare it to your shit.

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How am I doing?
How do you build more confidence with your lines? I'm either redrawing the same line ~10 times or I just give up and put down some chicken scratch

Is your spine supposed to start hurting from hunching over your paper while you draw?

>>2985573
Are you trying to teach yourself how to draw human figures solely from your imagination or something...?

For the love of god, download an ebook or something.

>>2985573
Increase brush size.

>>2985575
No.

>>2985575
Use a file as a writing aid and put the paper on that, if you cannot afford a sloped desktop

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Is it still a good idea to use your own hands for studies if you have tiny hands? Like ridiculously tiny. Pic related with a Micron for scale.

>>2985553
I know I'm not good as I said above but I tought here is a place for constructive critique you rude bastard.

Thanks for the atention thou

>>2985573
Poses make sense but looks too stiff. Looks more like you're just better at eyeballing contours and shapes rather than actually establishing gestures

>>2985632
You were naive.

>>2985575
I recommend doing exercises.

>>2985625
For fuck's sake, trim your nails.
Yes, it's fine as long as their proportions are around normal.

>>2985632
You didn't bother to read the sticky. You didn't even bother to read the OP. Yet you expect, yet you think you deserve constructive critique? Please kindly off yourself in a family unfriendly way, you loathsome boob.

>>2985664
Well, fuck, I say "do exercises" and forget to elaborate even though I was going to.

I mean, do pull-ups and torso rotations in all directions.

>>2985664
Kek, I took the picture after I trimmed my nails, actually. Don't see why you hate them so much unless you thought I was male, then yeah it'd be weird. Thanks for the reply anyhow.

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>>2985536
what does he mean by this?

>>2985668
I'm decently fit I think. Just bad sitting posture while drawing I guess.

>>2985041
at least you got rid of the shit coloring

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>>2985000
she is from megaman starforce

luna platz

if you want to play the source go for the 3rd game, that one is awesome.

that one is exaggerated, changed for some reason. which is weird because it seems unrelated to the content of the game. maybe some weird mashup that some anon requested in some forum of fuse this and this concept or something.

>>2985672
Those surely look like male hands.
The nails are uneven and don't look clean enough, that's why.

>>2985677
Tell me what specifically you do not understand. It is quite clear to me:
1) Any line goes towards some vanishing point in perspective, straight or not. You can treat a line that is not straight (but fairly symmetrical as a parallelogram formed by its function... wait, I don't think that is a better explanation).
2) All vanishing points lie on the eye level of the viewer, i. e. the horizon.
3) Rotation of an object that has its sides/edges pointing towards different vanishing points will result in a corresponding shift of these vanishing points along the horizon.
4) If you attempt to bring the vanishing points of the lines forming a 3D cube together, you will inevitably reduce it to a single plane (or rather, a single flat line in the viewer's eyes).

>>2985678
The point of additional exercises is to help you cope with the effects of bad posture on your spine. Stand up from time to time and do them. Or go lie on an orthopedic mattress, they're pretty cheap compared to their usefulness.

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Need help with clothes and anatomy. Thanks.

How do inkers do it? Beta blockers?

>>2985696
Those are girl hands anon

Kinda off topic but didn't want to make a new thread for this. Is it possible to get good if you're left handed? I don't have any work to show yet, I just want to know if it's worth learning how to draw

>>2985743
That is an extremely autistic question there is literally no difference in whether you can draw or paint.

>>2985743
Sorry, it's not, you have better chances learning to draw with the brush between your teeth. Better give up.

>>2984944
looks like they may have actually done the silhouette first then painted the color on top, or just done the underdrawing with big fat lines, then obviously after painting did more lines. there's a lot of eraser work around the outside.looks like a very messy worker, sort of surprised it actually came out cute, advantage of anime i guess.

>>2985743
Do you have a fucking brain? No, you can't. Fuck off, lefty.

>>2985743
This is a Trump board. No lefties allowed.

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Finlay here. Don't worry; I'm reading Loomis. I'm not going to post slanted faces today. I wanted feedback on this landscape I'm working on, please. Any information on how I could make it more appealing would be helpful

I cannot post the reference because there isn't one

>>2985759
You need to brush up on your tree anatomy. I think Loomis has a book for that.

>>2985741
I was tempted to post my beautiful (thanks, OCD) hands for a moment, but, unfortunately, hair at the base would give me out straight away.

>>2985698
Her ear region seems pretty strange, I can't figure out what's going on there. And with that head position she would have to hunch her back more. Either move the head up or redo the upper spine.
Although clothing folds seem weird to me, I can't help you the slightest bit here; however, you need to remove that shield and thigh tangent. I also recommend you to lower the thickness of far leg lines and adding it t her arm. I. e. work on your line weight.

>>2985759
Did you draw this from imagination? If yes, you know what? You might have a talent for painting landscapes. Humans might be simply not your thing.
For appeal, hm... I think the center of attention, which is the tree, needs more contrast, as it blends with the background too much. Colors might fix this problem. Incidentally, did you ever try coloring your pictures?

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>>2985773
Actually I don't use colour very often at all. I used to work in coloured pencil quite a bit, but now I only use it occasionally when I'm doing serious paintings. I never use flat colour, except on my graphics course; pic related is the last time I used colour in traditional media and digital media respectively.

I see what you mean about the contrast; it does need to be bumped forward somehow

>>2985800
Non-serious paint experiments*

>>2985800
>> dat pic
I have literally no idea about what I'm looking at yet I find it strangely mesmerizing and artistic. This surely can't be all that there is of this painting, can it?

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>>2985808
Thank you;
That's all there is at the moment other than a boring horizon line (which is too high). It draws from a picture of a coastal scene I drew en plein air a while ago, but not all the elements of that drawing are present in this painting, yet, and that would perhaps explain the unfinished-ness; I'm intending to go back to it and complete it some time soon

How do i get good at applying perspective to organic objects?

Cubes are easy enough.

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>>2985815
I see.
Honestly speaking, the cut looks much better than the full picture. There is too much wasted space in the upper two thirds of it.

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What u chaps think?

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>>2985823

>>2985821
(I have a bad habit of posting my posts without finishing the thought.)
If we interpret what is probably intended to be the coast as the horizon line, the water as the sky, the red bush as the tree, and that violet thing in the center as some kind of creature, it suddenly becomes a lot more interesting. I've seen this approach (making small things seem big) described in an article about a certain art museum that I translated about three weeks ago.

>>2985823
I think that there are too many unnecessary lines which blur your intent.
>>2985825
Not stiff, which is good. However, you'd have to press your pen harder to make clearly visible lines. And complete your drawings, don't just do sketches, or I wouldn't be able to give any specific feedback.

>>2985817
You fit organic subjects into simple shapes.

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>>2985829
Thank you for the review :)
Yeah defenatly need finalise these

>>2985829
That is a bit more interesting it seems. Do you think I should refine that violet shape into a more evident creature?

>>2985835
I think so. However, I recommend to shape the creature on another sheet of paper first. You might not yet fully realize what makes the picture better, so if you apply conscious effort rashly, it might prove to be a bad decision.

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Tried changing the side and perspective.

>>2985846
Why do you keep posting these? Wait a week and then post the progress. And don't just draw the same angle and pose over and over.

>>2985846
it's flat and lifeless

draw from life for a year and you'll be amazed at how much you'll improve

>>2985846
if u do the same pose many times u will eventually master it but, a pro will be dynamic as in have movement. what u do is cool but make sure you have motion

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what do

>>2985763
Successful drawing?

>>2985573
Confidence with lines is just a matter of mileage. The more you attempt to draw nice unbroken lines, the better you will get at doing it. Better to practice it now while you're a beginner than to have chicken scratch later on.

>>2985817
Imagine the object in a cube or carve the cube into that object.

>>2985077

Was he in a bukkake show?

>>2985029
smaller nose and smaller nostril will make her look better.

>>2985029
You seem to be doing a Finlay on that face. the browline is too high, the face is less than 4 eyes wide, and the cheekbones are so flaring and masculine that it removes certain effeminate qualities from it; remove some of the indication from them, there shouldn't be a shadow there
Also do this thing Anon suggested
>>2985893

>>2985906
But you're doing a good job; keep it up

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>>2984962
Trying not to get attached to the images I create, been grinding perspective. Gonna see about getting a graphics tablet.

From my sketchbook.

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Unfortunately my first time doing a proper portrait, I'm retarded for putting it off this long.
I've been tinkering away at this for a while but the face just looks wrong. Please show me what I messed up.

>>2985906
>>2985893
I was going for a more exotic appearance with the rounder nose and larger eyes, but I probably overdid it. I will make those edits and see how it turns out. Thanks for the feedback!

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can't stop touching this shit ahhhh

>>2985975
With the third eye being that large, I feel like it should have a visible effect on the browridge and the two eyes beneath, maybe like a change in the shape of the skull to make it look more seamless. Right now the big eye just looks pasted on top.

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>worldbuilding for tabletop rpg
>want to be able to draw vehicles and maps
>cannot draw at all

How hard is it learning how to draw vehicles like planes and tanks?

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>>2985978
yeah my idea for it was to really emphasize that but as I was painting it I coped out more and more orz. I'm not really knowledgeable enough for it anyways I guess. I'm gonna try it again in a more simple angle.

also some studies, 50/50 imagination and ref
pretty sure that this way of studying isni't going to do me very good, not to mention I wasn't setting up the contruction properly. I think going back to studying skulls and building up musles on them will be better.

>>2985983
Scott Robertson is the man for you, son.

>>2985975
facial features seem a bit small for a face that large

>>2985983
extremely easy and logical

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>>2985975
>>2985999
I'll give that a shot
>>2985978
was too lazy too restart, but I have no idea what I'm doing orz

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>>2985992
Thanks mate I'll get his 'How To Draw' book.
>>2986005
Good to hear

>>2986008

Here's a few suggestion for that third eye.

The perspective kinda wonky. It looks like it's in frontal view.

Make it slightly smaller.

Remove eyelash.

More skin fold on top and bottom.

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I feel like I lose the gesture of the poses the more I develop it, is there a way I can prevent this?

>>2986052
No, not really

>>2986052
Keep redoing your "good" gesture till it fits right, and deleting all shitty ones. Yes its time consuming, but in time you'll get better at it and be done with it faster

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any tips?

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>>2986088

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>>2986089
ref

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is that right ?

>>2986071
>>2986084
Hmm alright, just gotta roll with I guess huh, thanks for the tips

>>2984672
It's no so much a benefit, as it's a way of finding the form without constantly erasing. Some people call it sculpting with pencil, chipping away at the form. It's not good in a final rendering, but in the construction stage, there's nothing wrong with it.

Not everyone creates a perfect drawing first time out, they'll do a series of studies, THEN do a final with clean lines and such. A lot of posters here believe or inaccurately think that every drawing is final, every pencil stroke is final, and perfection achieved by anyone. Even the masters doodles and sketched quickly doing studies.

>>2984914
There's no "right' textbooks, you find the ones you like. Hell, when I started art classes in college, we didn't have any books, we didn't need them.

>>2985057
There are charcoal pencils, with wood casings. Go dig into Blick.com, there's all kinds of forms of charcoal.

You might want to look into conte, too.

>>2985575
Np. Le>>2985743
Learn proper posture, and get a desk or drafting table that lifts up so you're not hunched.

Trust me, that will come back to bite you hard later on.

>>2986008
That's a little better. In terms of character design, think about how the character treats the eye. Maybe her hairstyle is tied up or not one with bangs so as not to conceal the vision. Maybe the eyebrows are positioned in a way that makes space for the eye. Also her normal eyes don't have much resemblance with the third one. Something like that maybe just to make it more integrated with the character.

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I'm having troubles understanding chicken scratching. Am i suffering from it? I know it might sound retarded to not realize it by myself, but when i sketch i find myself with these super messy lines, although singularly picking i know that i tend to keep one line all the way instead of scratching it.

So, is this the result of too many restatings? Is this "just" lack of line precision or actual chicken scratch?

>>2986170
draw in pen only for a while to clear this up. force your self to think of the line before you draw it and learn line economy. and yes you are.

>>2986088
ya, use cylinder for her neck. and THEN add the trapezius

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Can someone redline me?

(Also: Chek'd)

>>2984444
I've been copying a few pixiv artist works and I'm wondering what should I be thinking the whole way through? I fell like I'm just monotonously copying something without having taken anything from it

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>>2986183
Perspective appears skewed.

>>2986289
Draw the copies from memory and compare. If this results in total fuckery, reconsider approach.

Insert generic pixiv/ anime scorn here.

>>2986296
okay anon I will do that. So if it doesn't work out what do you recommend? I just want to draw cute anime girls and fan art

>Create a kinda neat effect from mixing a few brushes and effects
>Looks good in small, enclosed spaces
>Want to do it in a larger, more open space
>Looks like fucking shit
Goddamnit.

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I figures it out.

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>>2984445

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Am I doing this right?

>>2986387
Perhaps the only thing where you stayed true to the original is the eyebrow. Everything else looks so different that it is hard to call it a study. More like a drawing inspired by reference.

>>2986390
Who knows...
If all the angles are supposed to be straight and perspective rules are the same for all of these objects, then HELL NO.
If each of these objects has its own vanishing points, then maybe.
In any case, it doesn't look like something from real world and your ellipses really suck (poorly drawn and out of perspective).

>>2986390
>>2986411

Ignore that dumb piece of shit. He's a sad little fuckwit cuck faggot who needs to be smashed in the head thirty or forty times with a golf club.

Regarding your ellipses. Go read about the major and minor axis of an ellipse. That will help you see why those are wrong.

>>2986320
This is the part where I rake you incessantly for your puerile aspirations.

Truth is, I've never met anyone who mastered drawing women (non-chronophile) without going through a process not unlike those in the Sticky. If you really want to draw that subject matter from imagination with any modicum of skill (huehue...cum) then you're going to have to slug it just like the rest of us. Grind fundamentals.

What are the fundamentals? See Stick note. Now go forth my child, and weeb no more.

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I'm sorry /beg/ I skipped out on 2 days of drawing I feel so shitty, I need to draw cute girls.

Also how the hell do I make my own loomis head. It always ends up fucked up if I don't copy his own ideas. I think I may be imaginatively lacking. So that leads me to conclude I may need a lot more than usual before I get where I want to be.

>>2986420

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U&list=PL39135B8D190B7C97

I'm posting this link as angrily as I can.

>>2986420
Your innate racism is coming out in your Loomis heads.

>>2986420
Drawing Loomis heads from imagination is a meme. He did that as a way of teaching you to use your imagination and create things like cute girls. So draw cute girls.

>>2986419

>You could have left it at "I've never met anyone."

>>2986420
>>2986434

This

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>>2986414
Hey, nice bait there. You actually made me do a perspective grid.

>>2986429
I have seen that video already and yes I'm working on making realistic heads. But after exploring fun with a pencil I've stumbled in a situation where I get practically stumped and I end up with shit cartoonish loomis-style heads.

>>2986434
that's the thing anon if I am stuck at this point then I'm sure it carries over when I am making cute girls. And it's not like I'm lacking exposure to cute girls. Maybe it's just indecisiveness?

>>2986431
he kinda looks like my grandpa

>>2986442
Loomis head experience don't carry over unless you want to draw funky cartoon heads. What kind of cute girls are you talking about? If they're really different from the Loomis heads then use Loomis's other book about head and hands. Learn the basic construction and proportions and skip to the female head section. Read the plates there and you can semi-draw cute girls at that point. It still takes experience so don't give up so easily.

>>2986431
>accurately portray the facial features of another race
>you're racist for not drawing them with white facial features

I'll never understand left wing "logic"

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think she looked retarded for a second there like literal downs

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how do i improve at using ref?

Is it just me, or is drawing half an ellipse way harder than drawing an entire ellipse?

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>>2986441

Wow, you poured time into proving that his freehand two-point perspective isn't perfect.

That proves absolutely nothing, other than the fact that you swallowed the bait whole.

Other than that, it's pedantic as fuck. The shapes prove well enough that he understands where the points go and why.

The circles, however, lack basic understanding. They are missing a key point of basic, fundamental understanding. That is the minor axis. The ellipses anon drew can not be folded along the minor axis in perspective. It is likely that he doesn't know about this yet.

Therefore pointing it out is helpful, and not simply being a pedantic fuck seeking to prove how much better and/or smarter you are.

>>2986441
Wow I legit have no Idea how I fucked up that far left box,

>>2986414
Thanks Anon reading up on that chapter fully on Perspective Made easy.

>>2986449
honestly I started with the intention of just anime girls but I am also interested in expanding to realistic ones as well.

Thanks anon I'll read just that and I sure as hell won't give up.

>>2986437
Obvious newfag is obvious.

>>2986459
I am a simple fish. I see a nice bait, I swallow.

He might understand the rules of perspective, but it is nonetheless true that each of his boxes is located in its own dimension. Also, if that is freehand... well, fuck me. I wish I could draw straight lines like that freehand.

>>2986460
So that means you knew how much you fucked up those floating above?

Any good exercises for inking? I can lay down smooth pencil lines and curves, but when I try to ink over them it just gets all shaky and non-confident looking.

>>2986467
You got a Pinterest? Look up the anime tutorials, there's really good ones on there and use them. Always draw cute girls too, even if it's bad. Do it better the next time. Stylization is different from realism, and also a little bit easier because it's simpler in detail and you're used to it. Look at your favorite artists and see how they draw faces and try to incorporate those same shapes into your own work.

>>2986492
oh yes I do, what's a good tag other than "anime tutorials"? It comes up with plenty but I am curious if there is a better one.

>>2985625
you some sort of goblin or something dude?

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Trying environment studies for a change, I stopped toggling my linework half way through and fucked up the perspective.

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if loomis is such a great artist then why is he dead?

>>2986567
Checkmate /beg/gers

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>>2986567

>>2986452
She looks Korean.

Here, I drew Tifa from FF7. Used the upside-down trick when drawing from the reference, like in the famous Picasso exercise. Once I had the outline, I flipped it over right side up. It looked ok, for the low expectations I had considering my skill level. I went on to shade it and touch up little details. 4 hours spent total. I'm disappointed with it, and as a beginner novice I'm thinking maybe I'm being too ambitious. I'm not sure if drawing this actually helped me improve at all, I think it would technically be best to do those tedious drawabox exercises.

Tell me what you think [spoiler]no bully pls[/spoiler]

>>2986624
I hope you resize it.

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>>2986624
>>2986625
Not only does my drawing suck but I'm also retarded, it seems. Here's the image

>>2986628
please read the sticky

>>2986628
>>2984444
>RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS
Aka resize longest side to 1000 pixels, it should say.

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so?

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How do I into painting? I just don't understand. How turn blobs into faces?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgDQjcdNUWs

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>>2986659
It's easy

>>2986659
Understanding form and knowing how light works. It's a process that takes years to internalize so no better time to start than now!

Why does everyone keep saying "I recommend Keys to Drawing by Dodson"? Is it one person? Don't they have anything better to do? These responses are neither funny nor constructive. Kill yourself meme lord.

>>2986686
meme meme meme

>>2986702
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>>2986089
>>2986091
I'm sorry to say this, but everything is wrong

>>2986628
i like it a lot within what it is.

>>2985000
https://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=2655426

Here it is

Anyone have any tips to learning how to draw with a graphics tablet? I'm going to imagine it's just because i'm day 1 into using it but it feels super uncomfortable. Is it because I'm used to paper and pencil all my life?

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>>2984444
Nice quads. Is it the right board for this? Can you rate it?

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Critic please? The artwork, and what You find lacking in my art.