/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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waat do

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What's bad? Is anything good ? What do ?

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in case the last thread missed this

>>2887624
Don't be afraid to go darker, anon

Expand your values

>>2887626
KK, thanks

>>2887625
The head looks very smol

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Hi, any tips?

>>2887630
And the face looks very meh.

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>>2887630
so i've been told

>>2887639
Y the piss fountain

>>2887640
kek

>>2887624
Sorry, I'm on mobile so I can't see very well but:
The nose and the mouth seems drawn on her face, don't know if it's because it's unfinished, but the "tip of the nose" seems too low, also try not to draw the construction lines but only shade the nose.
Same thing for the man heads, the nose seems flat and go "straight down" on the face.
Also the left arms seems of different lenght, but I might be wrong.
One last thing, next time try to enhance contrast if you can.

>>2887667
Okay, thanks

>>2887621
then angle from the right brow to the hair looks way to round. That angle usually is pretty straight.

Also the head is too small, there should be more skull compared to the mask of the face.

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>>2887624
>>2887626
>>2887667
Still working on it, am I going in the right direction ?

How do you guys aproach the visual aspect of character design? I've been looking towards illustrating my writings, but I feel my designs come off as bland.

>>2887681
Much better

Her nose and mouth look a little flat

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1/2

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>>2887719
2/2

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I hope i'm starting to understand perspective. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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>>2887725
You just drew a bunch of floating boxes.

Try doing something like this.

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Why does this look so wrong

>>2887771
because you can't into anatomy

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>>2887771
Stop drawing so flat

Make 3D shapes out of the torso

>>2887771

Because it is

>>2887719
>that phone right in front of the door
Gonna get smashed

>>2887850
Bammes?

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>>2887785

Tried to draw more in 3d but it still feels very off especially the hip area

>>2887862
The rib cage is round so the breasts attach differently. Also line weight is all in the wrong places so the focus makes it look off and flat.

>>2887862
>Tried to draw more in 3d

Try drawing actual 3d shapes, cubes and cylinders.

anybody got a pdf of dynamic wrinkles and drapery?

>>2887631

Draw the hands better. No excuses.

>>2887720

The highlights on those apples are very distracting.

>>2887888

It'd be much better to set up your own irl than to work from photos. Regular lamps without the shades can create dramatic light.

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Don't really know what i was thinking with this pose

>>2887932
maybe you thought about a broken humerus?

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>>2887942
Fixed it

>>2887960
Kids and their amputee fetishes nowadays... Back in my days we masturbated to anal sex if we wanted to be kinky.

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Aya with a mohawk. Just because I can.
(With the mouth and nose fixed, I suppose.)

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>>2887967
>>2887963
Face proportions are located at the right places, but they look flat.

Imagine the mouth to wrap around like on a cylinder, there's supposed to be a bit of foreshortening on the mouth, it has to be wider on the angle facing you and shorter on the angle going away.

And the eyeball is a sphere that overlaps part of the face and where the eyelids wrap around, your eyes are flat. I can't tell the exact angle of your head, but the left eye (her right eye) might actually overlap the skin behind it or part of the eyelid would do so.

The nose is very flat, the nostrils have skin around them.

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>>2887987
It's fine if it looks flat for now, I don't want to spend several hours working on the 3/4 portrait just to fuck it up, to be told how much it sucks, and how much of a fucking retard I am, like with the last weekend's Yuuka one (pic related). For now I'm going to practice on the girls that I don't have any feelings for, and gradually increase the complexity. Thank you for your corrections, I'll keep them in mind for the ones to follow.

Since I started doing practice in there threads I've wanted my drawing used at the start of the thread. I know I have miles to go and it's not good or anything, but this still made my day.

>>2887999
How much time have you spent on the hair compared to the facial features?

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>>2887999
It will never end, he will never stop and he will never learn.

>>2887999
CONSTRUCT and TAKE REF even a little BEFORE even try to take time RENDERING.

PERIOD.

LISTEN TO HIM >>2887987

done yelling *drop mic*
and continue drawing things you love. entertain yourself.

>>2887999
>I don't want to spend several hours working on the 3/4 portrait just to fuck it up, to be told how much it sucks, and how much of a fucking retard I am

The fear of doing something wrong holds you back. You can only get better if you try something new and that means the risk of failing horribly. Otherwise you only reinforce your existing strengths and never develop new strengths and worse you reinforce you weaknesses.

Whatever you feel most uncomfortable drawing is the thing you have to draw the most.

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Anyone have experience with Krita? Im trying to adjust sensitivity for a brush but it doesn't allow me to save it.
Pic related is what I get, a blurry light mess unless I press extremely hard on my wacom tablet

>>2887999
holy shit you're still at this

>>2888020
>Whatever you feel most uncomfortable drawing is the thing you have to draw the most.

that.
draw a fucking thousand 3/4 faces and they will not suck anymore, you don't have to show them to anybody. practice.

And digital put a barrier between your brain and your art at first. grab some FUCKING paper and pen sometimes.

dearly, the screaming guy from above.

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>>2886874
Sup guys, I'm back and decided to do this using the cubes I practiced on, Any critiques?

>>2888022
Krita just works ootb for me (using Huion on Linux and Windows), at least I don't think I've had your issue of extremely light lines. How's your experience with other software and what OS are you on?

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>>2888022
You can adjust global pressure strength on both krita and wacom. My interface is in german but you should be able to find it. When adjusting individual brushes make sure to overwrite the preexisting setting after changing them. And make certain to not accidentally overwrite the icon for the pen which can happen very easily in Krita when changing brushes. But I would rather temper with the global pressure settings, Kritas brushes are very, very good just as they are.

>>2888027
How did you make use of the cubes you practiced?

>>2888007
Muuuuch more. And for that reason I refrain to do it until I grasp the facial features. Since nobody has said anything even about the left Myon's face (which seems retarded to me, honestly) from >>2886537 , I suppose I did learn something on the Sunday night. When I draw something badly, there's usually an abundance of critique; either way, there is always at least some reaction.

>>2888008
Truly a stubborn warrior's saga. (I hope you and everyone else understand that I didn't touch Yuuka's portrait after the Sunday night, when I probably figured out what was wrong with it.)

>>2888020
The fact is that I don't feel uncomfortable about drawing hair or etc, but I do feel uncomfortable about drawing faces and heads from any complex angle such as 3/4, or 7/8, or... well, you get the drill; and that's why I'm practicing them.

>>2888026
I already drew on paper for about a month. Did a lot of copies of different things. After trying the tablet, I don't want to have to go back to paper, honestly. As long as circumstances allow, I'd like to keep doing it digitally.

>>2888027
The fur looks good at the edges, but it lacks definition in the bulk.

>>2888029
Using Linux atm, but I have got the same issues with the Windows version.
I tried SAI before and didn't have that issue there since the brushes were much more better, which is why I wanted to adjust the brushes manually in Krita, just no clue how to save the edits I do to them
>>2888032
Thanks anon, but I specificially want to change pressure for brushes, mainly because I like the "light tones" of brushes but I want this and the thick hard lines as well, and the only way I can get that is manually adjusting brushes. Just no clue how to save them since there isn't a save button in settings or anything remotely like that.

>>2888036
Yeah I do need to work more on the fur.

>>2888036
>> I refrain
I now refrain

>> or etc
Or eyes, etc.

>> drew on paper
Had been drawing on paper.

(quick self-fix)

>>2888036
>I already drew on paper for about a month.

ok, my dear. i drew from observation on paper since i was 12.

i'm now 28, i still line draw 40 heads a day as a warmup.

and i still have paper 90g and 200g, pen pencil markers next to my cintiq, and i use that shit all day long.

did i make my case clear ?

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>>2887609
Thoughts on my recent drawing?

>>2888036
>The fact is that I don't feel uncomfortable about drawing hair

Weird, considering it looks absolutely horrible. Making it very detailed with lots of fine brush strokes does not make it good, only detailed. These two are different.

>>2888036
>Muuuuch more. And for that reason I refrain to do it until I grasp the facial features.

Good. Don't waste time on unnecessary details. But 3d eyes and nose are not unnecessary details, they are the most important aspect of the human face and should consume most of your time. They should also be the most detailed, hair should be very broad and instead of indicating single strains of hair it's more important to indicate proper lightning and shape which your hair entirely lacked.

>>2888036
>Since nobody has said anything even about the left Myon's face (which seems retarded to me, honestly)

They possibly thought that was a sketch, not a finished image that deserves to be painted. Just a template for the actual drawing.

And to get good at drawing is not to do the *exact* same thing over and over again and repeating the same mistakes again and again, but to get a 3d grasp of what it is you draw. Otherwise you are just mastering symbol drawing from a different angle.

Is that all you ever want to draw? A head from a ~3/4 view?

>>2888045

do you also have over 300 confirmed commissions and are the top artist of wizards of the coast, and furthermore you know more than 500 ways to shade a head and that is with just a pencil?

>>2888053
>>2888036
>Is that all you ever want to draw? A head from a ~3/4 view?

To add on that, you might think that mastering the 3/4 view and then doing other angles would be a good approach, but it's not. You would most likely horribly fail from even a slightly different angle.

But once you understand the 3d dimensional shape of the head you can draw it from any angle and you should train to understand that shape, not train to perfect lines that indicate a shape you do not understand.

If you were to sculpt a head in real life you could most likely draw a really good one despite the fact that you have not specifically trained drawing. Mastering to draw a line is not hard, that's just a mechanical skill you best train by actually drawing lines and curves.

The hard part is understanding the subject you draw to the degree you could easily sculpt it. That is what you have and should practice. And you can and should do that from any angle.

>>2888048
you wasted time to draw details on something that was doomed from the start. Don't waste time on details, don't confuse a detailed drawing with a good drawing, spent time on the fundamentals. Like that fucking hand, neck and head. They are all horrible. How is that wispy neck supposed to hold that baseball head?

>>2888059
no, i put my ideas and struggle on paper and render it after on cintiq. tthat's all.

always have a sketchbook with me too.

i'll repeat, i (shitly) drew from observation at 12. always drew.

and i just line draw 40 heads a day as a warmup. because it takes me 2min to draw one.

and i don't do commissions sorry, my work doesn't belong to be, i work in a small studio.

harshness here is a meme, but take it right, because you drawing deserve it.

already lost enough time here.

re-read what everyone told you, embrace it if you want to get better.

good day sir, i'm going to cook cuz' workday over.
Sincerely, a french sucker working at http://www.ankama.com/en

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Been focusing more on construction and tried to do something with line weight but i feel like i failed with that completely. Also tried doing a pose from imagination that actually makes sense

>>2888074
trixie kong?

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>>2888041
someone pls help
i cant even see my own drawings anymore...

>>2888045
Well, good for you. Maybe even necessary, if you're a professional as having a Cintiq implies. I simply want to have a refreshing hobby to have an outlet for my creativity. And I don't like that you can't erase a line drawn on paper just as easily and accurately as with a digital medium. Not my thing, sorry.

>>2888053
>> Is that all you ever want to draw? A head from a ~3/4 view?
I only want to draw incredible looking Yuuka, incredibly looking backgrounds and incredibly looking things. Not professionally, but for my own enjoyment. And I want to share this enjoyment with the viewers (and that's where I usually fail for the time being, 'cause I'm just a n00b; although I have yet to see a negative comment about any of my backgrounds). Everything else is just a way to this goal. For now, I have a pretty good understanding of the shape of legs and hands (because I see them so often, obviously; it also applies to other inanimate and animate (let's just agree that plants are animate) objects which I'm used to seeing) and can make some textures (patterns) look very convincing. I'm not used to seeing humans without clothes, so I'm challenging that lack of knowledge by drawing them naked. So as not to let the garment hide my lack of anatomy knowledge forever, so that I may learn on my mistakes.

>>2888053
>>2888063

(Continuation of the previous post.)

>> They possibly thought that was a sketch, not a finished image that deserves to be painted. Just a template for the actual drawing.
If the face looked too unnatural, some guys would eagerly tear me a new one in a matter of hours. Well, either that or they just thought that the left one is supposed to be for shaming myself, because the right one looks okay.

For the 3d head shape, I've been intensely studying this reference:
https://sketchfab.com/models/a1c0dec2a8564e80a62e607bb16db2e7
And looked at some tutorial pictures too. Judging by everyone's reactions, the reference study has proved helpful.

I actually thought to make some heads in a 3d editor like SketchUp or ZBrush, but my lack of knowledge about 3d editors requires to spend a lot of time simply learning it. The only thing I ever sculpted IRL is a small and unrealistic clay dinosaur of the Brachiosaurus species. He still stands on the shelf right behind me, even though more than a decade has passed.

talk less practice more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YtjgAbI5vg
go

I feel like I'm wasting time doing Fun with a pencil. Not that it's a bad book, but I think I've been drawing so many caricatures... What other book would you recommend for a beginner (who is going well)?

>>2888102
dafuq, i dont want to draw fat mexian girls

>>2888120
Post your stuff

>>2888120
It is important to draw what you enjoy. I dropped loomis because I didn't like drawing potatomen or 1950s comic book people. Vilppu is great for gestures, bridgman and bammes are good for anatomy, scott robertson is really good for technical drawings of vehicles and buildings, the book "the art of drawing animals" is great for animals.

>>2888095
Oh, and by the way, today I remembered about a trick which I thought up after drawing a frontal portrait poorly but not seeing my fault even after mirroring it in every possible way. It could help some other guys too.
Basically, if you're drawing a portrait and can't see anything wrong with it after mirroring it or squinting or looking at it from afar, first align the chin horizontally, then copy the side of the face that's facing the viewer (or do it for both, if you're drawing a frontal view) up to the line where the center of your face is supposed to be. Flip the copy horizontally and move it to that line, so you'd get a face in frontal view. Basically, if the result is close to what a normal human face should look, then you did alright. And if there are glaring errors which you can't notice because of your lack of experience, you'll most likely see them right away.

>>2888102
neat. there is literally no reason to ever go to an art school anymore

>>2888133
you wont learn anything at artschool anon, i've seen plenty of art graduates still drawing like a beginner

>>2888125
There were like 2 anons posting fun with a pencil last threads, I'm one of them

>>2888124
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0LniFfVRRA

go

>>2888133
read the sticky, it's in it.

>>2888126
Thanks anon I'll look take a look at the books and try something.
I really need to get the construction stuff Don't know if I just don't like or I'm just bored with thatloomis style.

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Here's an update on my Widowmaker pic. Took a few days off from working on it. But did alot of the skin shading, fixed the face a bit, redid the arm/hand, and tried hard as shit to make the hair better before i actually started to paint it. I just make a bunch of random swoopy strokes...analyze it and erase away what doesn't work. Learned alot working on it so far.

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>>2888152
that purple pussy doe

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Is this picture anatomically correct enough to be used as a reference? (I think the proportions of the right arm are off.)

>>2888166
no its not, but if you liek the picture and you want to "draw" like that, its good to eventually use references like that besides doing 3D references. It helps you with developing your own "artstyle", basically copypasting what you like about it, improving on it etc.

>>2888166
Why not use real people? Why not reference the most accurate thing?

>>2887771
Because the leg that's supposed to be supporting her weight is bent.

>>2888048
the dress is nice

>>2888067
its a artstyle, stop bashing other anons
if he is happy with drawing like that you should let him, not many are happy with their own drawings.

>>2888168
Eh, I don't really care. Just saw that it is a bit detailed and thought to ask.

>>2888181
The guy asked for thoughts. He received exactly what he asked for. What's the matter, dude?

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Am I doing construction correctly?

>>2888212
why the lines and no curves? study anatomy as well as practicing construction more

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>>2888181
>its a artstyle

>>2888212

Try constructing over photos before you go on your own. Draw through the forms and don't just trace contours like a fag.

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>>2888152
Her torso is way too big. The crotch is at roughly half the body. Head, torso and pelvis together are 4 heads in size. In dynamic poses this can be a bit off because of perspective and pose, but keep these proportions in mind. If shes not supposed to have human proportions ignore me. If she is, memorize basic proportions.

>>2888166
Both the left and right arm are off. Elbows end roughly slightly above the naval.

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>>2887640
it's supposed to be the sun hitting the edges of the clouds

>>2888217
The lines where gesture lines and i forgot to make a new layer when starting the construction which is why it looks weird. Can you elaborate on what you mean by no curves? Also i haven't really studied any anatomy so that's definitely on my bucket list

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Complete retard here. Is it possible to get good enough to draw semi photorealistic without using any measurement tools? I like drawing free hand but have heard it can stunt progress.

>>2888221
Sounds like a great way to practice will do that

>>2888181
>stop bashing other anons

He should not post stuff in an art critique forum if he doesn't want critique. If he just wants someone to tell him he did a good job he should show it to his mom, I'm not his mom.

Maybe it comes off as mean because I was swearing but my advice still holds true, he focused on details but missed fundamental flaws.

>its a artstyle

You can't just call things art style or stylized and think that makes it ok. What kind of artstyle is that supposed to be? Terribly rendered humanoid eldritch horror?

>>2888233
STICKY
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>>2888225
> Both the left and right arm are off. Elbows end roughly slightly above the naval.
Oh, right. Was too preoccupied with studying her impressive mammae to notice anything about the left arm.

>>2888233
You have a pencil, ten fingers, an eraser (maybe), and you say you don't use any measurement tools? Indeed, you are a complete retard.

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>>2886714
Unproductive day

>>2888233
>Is it possible to get good enough to draw semi photorealistic without using any measurement tools?

Yes, once you internalized proportions and perspective and instinctively know when something is off.

I would advise against measuring everything accurately with a ruler etc. if thats what you mean but you need to study proportions.

>>2888231
for curves i mean across the shoulders they're like straight lines, also arms/legs etc. its kind of curvy instead "straight"
better to study it the right way, also for construction lines, I generally draw very lightly, then on top of that make a quick sketch. you wont have to make a new layer really for that
You should really try drawing from 3D models, you'll learn a shitton about anatomy

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>>2888240
I also made this today

>>2888233
ayyy

>>2888261
lmao

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>>2888250
Also I tried some colour, just for fun

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Here's some of the more serious study I was doing. Was starting to get decent.

>>2888266
N E V E R G O N N A M A K E I T
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More

>>2888048
you have natural talent. you are actually getting better at an extremely quick pace.

>>2888268
Because I had fun right?

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Some more

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>>2888271
Well, I might not make it. I'll hobby it anyway

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Fixed my brushes, also did a almost full body drawing(which I rarely do btw), advice would be appreciated, looks a bit off I think

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EMPIRE

>>2888267
>>2888269
>>2888273
stop symbol drawing anon, read the sticky for books to read on

>>2888302
what are the scribbles for?

>>2887609
Is the odor of acrylics toxic? That stuff is pretty strong when I was working with them for the first time the other day, but I thought nothing of it, but I assume it must be safe since painting is a long process and you'll no doubt be sniffing it in all the time.

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>>2888295
your lines are too scratchy, force yourself to make fewer lines. General proportions are correct. Arm looks a bit too bended. It's flesh wrapping around a bone - the muscles are curvy but the arm itself is not.

Try another perspective than full frontal.

>>2888309
its called STYLE ok?

>>2888302
Fuck you and your amazing gestures anon! I don't need to get good at them. I-it's not like I wanted to anyways.

>>2888315
"style"

>>2888313
The left arm does look quite curved, thanks I didn't notice that before. I alreayd try as much as possible to draw fewer lines but its really hard since stuff starts to look off quite often. I do improve though, couple weeks ago my drawings were literally filled with scratchy lines.
I'll try to do another perspective in due time, trying to first master a couple simple perspective like the 3/4 portrait and others.

>>2888268
Eric doesn't use mspaint; he uses Photoshop.

>>2888325
>implying I can't switch

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>>2888329
Please switch to mspaint, Eric! I'd like to see what you come up with

>>2888233
You don't need rulers to git gud, if that's what you're asking. You don't need any measuring tools at all, besides your eye and your pencil. But you have much more pressing issues than measurement problems. Aside from the giant head, there is just no basic understanding of construction or form.

If you're worried about measuring with rulers then it looks like you haven't taken the intro to drawing /ic/ course yet. Go do that first via the sticky so that you can go improve a bunch.

>>2888343
>tfw rarely anyone finishes the intro to drawing /ic/ course and drop out

>>2888343
The only study I've done is looking at da Vinci vitruvian man and using his proportions. The body I did was just a quick sketch not really shooting for accuracy.

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>>2886933
>>2886939
another intuitive gesture, another big cat

any thoughts? is there anything i'm doing wrong? should i keep on doing these and start looking at the value?

>>2888346
>tfw dropped out because it was too much so decided to try my "own way"
>6 months later
>still draw like a 4yr old
halp

>>2888362
If you take the course again, you'll be able to draw like a competent person in a month. 6 months would already seem like someone who's actually learning to draw and has experience. Of course, there's no guarantees, it's still up to you to put in the work and understand the material yourself.

>>2888363
The problem is that my motivation to put serious attention into learning is fleeting. I get in moods where I want to sit down and spend time studying proportions and minor differences in intricacies of facial features , but if I'm not in one of those moods the most I can do is spend an hour doing some quick sketches. I have no discipline for drawing.

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legs piss me off

>>2888374
Legs still look cute. They both look like they're floating though.

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>>2888374
if something looks weird, jsut select the bodypart ,resize/move it and work from there. pic related, done really fast and alrdy looks a bit better

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Got a million things to work on but I still feel like I've made some progress today if you compare the first drawing with the second. Have to start grinding anatomy, especially arms + hands

>>2888379
why does everyone want to draw porn lol

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>>2888355
>The only study I've done is looking at da Vinci vitruvian man and using his proportions.
You don't need the virtruvian man of all things to study proportions. Studying doesn't have to be so complicated. That's why the sticky is there. It's a guide to show you were to start and how to progress to make it simple for you.

>The body I did was just a quick sketch not really shooting for accuracy.
That's fine and you don't need to shoot for accuracy. But you are on a drawing critique thread asking for whether you need a ruler or not, which is a glaring red light that you haven't tried the basics yet.

I know the vitruvian man is great and all, but how bout some Loomis instead?

Where do anons from /ic/ look for reference images? Particularly fantasy pictures with armor, monsters, scenery etc. ?

>>2888385
I have tried the basics. I used to use a ruler for every drawing. Also vitruvian man is remarkably similar to the image you posted. Check out da vincis notes translates from Italian.

>>2888394
Pixiv
Danbooru
Google
Pinterest
/ic/ threads
/tg/
/a/
/v/

>>2888394
think of a design in your head first and then search for some specific references to correct any anatomical/texture errors

>>2888379
until you know how to draw a cube you shouldn't even be thinking of anatomy

>>2888379
these hips, lol. Before you go into anatomy learn proportion and gesture first.

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How do I draw like this? and with this I mean the "colouring in" like something done with a big brush orsomething? Sorry I dont know wahts its called like

>>2888396
>>2888233
>drawing like this
>tried the basics

Okay anon.

>>2888433
>what is basics defined

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Because I have no life, I returned to Remi's lineart. Redrawn the leg and hopefully fixed the shoulder. Well, it's a darn shame I can't draw well, but I think I quite like the resulting pose, so I'll keep it. Still, I'm unsure if the hip should look that way. Does it look okay to you, or do you have a reference with a similar pose / hip position?

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Following the advice someone here made I'm drawing gestures and then encapsulating them with blocks.

What do you guys think? Do I make any reoccurring mistakes?

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>>2888438
And the resized version, so that we can pretend anybody here cares about this thread's rules.

>>2888439
How are you so good?

Where should I look when I draw a straight line?

>>2888454
At the paper.

>>2888454
At your anus

>>2888432
plsrspnd

>>2888444
Thank you. The advice I received here and drawing boxes helped a lot. That's what I uploaded yesterday: >>2885999 and before yesterday: >>2885408

>>2888473
you take a big brush and then you fucking paint and size it down a bit for details

>>2888477
What kind of brush? Please dont give me shitadvice like this anon, I have tried everything alrdy to make it look remotely like that but it doesn't

>>2888444
>How are you so good?
You are joking right?

>>2888480
A square/rectangular fucking brush.
Use your eyes

>>2888481
Tell me what I need to improve.

>>2888483
fuck you

>>2888485
You got the basic idea down, just keep grinding.

>>2888486
What kinda fucking advice are you looking for you cheeky cunt?
Some magical insta git gud advice/brush whatever doesn't exist.

>>2888485
draw boxes you fucking untermensch

>>2888493
It doesn twork like that
I ALRDY SAID I TRIE EVERYTHING
i was lookin for genuine adviec but you just say HURR JUST USE THIS BRUSH BRAH!!

>>2888481
it's a meme (or, more commonly, just a samefag)

p shit meme imo

>>2888496
If you're not really a retard and you just want to know which kinda brush you could use to draw clouds like that, open up your Photoshop or similar tool and find some brushes which look like they are composed of many dots of varying size. Try all of them to find the one that produces the desired effect. Personally, I think airbrush is what you're looking for.

>>2888496
holy shit that attitude lmao are u actually 12 or

anyway, both you and the guy you're replying to are retards

if you knew anything about digital painting your question would be answered already - check out ctrlpaint.com

>>2888495
I'm already drawing boxes

>>2888500
I already said I tried EVERY brush there is, it just doesn't work, I need a guide or good advice
>>2888502
are you being ironic or what? im not checking out that memewebsite

its bait, dont respond to it

>>2888438
>>2888442
Who is remi? What is she supposed to look like?

>>2888511
Are you certain that the brush is your problem? It looks like a simple square brush was used together with a round brush for details. There is no complicated texture or anything.

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Cirno.

>>2888519
my favourite poster in this thread right now

>>2888511
>i let the opinions of other people decide my own without forming one for my own

try your best not to do anything too mentally taxing in the future

>>2888519
What kind of pantsu does Cirno wear

>>2888525
not for lewds

>>2888518
Remilia Scarlet from Touhou. What is she supposed to look like... well, duh, she has blue hair, red eyes, bat wings (of varying shape, size, and point of origin), vampire fangs, and that's about all that is ever common in her many depictions. She is also generally considered to have a DFC or small breasts, and sharp claws too. Finally, it is generally agreed that she has a petite or at least slender body. You can see it all for yourself if you google her name or type it in danbooru search field.

>>2888525
Pumpkin pantsu, no?

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How'd I do? absolutely scratchy mess i know but cant help it

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>>2888525
The bloomer

>>2888529
pretty good. detail that arm. dude needs a meaty bicep no homo

>>2888529
This sketch looks quite expressive. Me liek. Give him some mucle on the arm, though, and finish your linework, then come back for our judgement.

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>>2888528
I asked because her breasts and torso looks entirely alien, but the pictures make her seem very human like. If shes slender you would also see the pelvis poke through at the sides.

>>2888528
Looks nothing like Remilia outside of having wings.

>>2888457
>>2888466
Like the end of where my line should be? Or should I follow the entire line span?

>>2888552
its more about awareness than focus.
dont tunnel vision to one place.

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>>2888543
Oh. Well, in my case it's more like she's toned so much that she has very little fat.
Is it her body shape and/or details on the torso (like ribs and abs)? What if I remove the details?

>>2888549
Well, who knows...
http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2550055
http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/529874
http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1677365
http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/651072

My only goal was to make my version of her look seductive and, preferably, having a correct anatomy.

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>>2888533
>>2888537
sure I should do that? The arm is sideways and that means according to anatomy atleast that its thinner.
Anyway new drawing, finally tried drawing a girl, looks alot like a guy though fml

>>2888554
Alright, thank you.

>>2888560
Because I (never doubt) draw naked women with naughty faces for the sole purpose of understanding anatomy better!

>>2888552
It doesn't matter. You should not actively think while drawing lines, it should all be muscle memory.

You know like how you make mistakes in sport if you overthink it too much? And that you perform best when you are in a sort of trance without thinking? That's what you want to achieve. Draw with muscle memory.

>>2888563
yeah. read loomis on female-male differences.
also did you not get an answer for your faded grey lines yet? lmao

>>2888563
You can define the bicep inside the arm and you can make the arm thinner near the elbow.

>>2888563
>tfw can't draw males but can only draw girls
It's okay, anon.

>>2888233

Akhenaten?!

>>2888569
Ill do that, haven't really red up alot on loomis, although I pretty much got all pdfs of loomis so ill do that tonight.
Oh and I fixed the faded grey lines, it was alot worse before, but yeah maybe ill make it stronger, dont want to up the sensitivity too much that I wont have any light lines anymore.
>>2888571
Ill try that out, see how it looks...
>>2888572
This is what happens when you keep drawing one gender alot...
Tbh, I still see it alot at established artists that draw doujinshis, usually they draw the girls really good but males just terrible

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>>2888560
If she has less fat you would notice the pelvis bones poking through even more. Theres no muscle above the edges of the pelvis, they instead attach on these edges. Thus it's always visible unless in seriously overweight people.

You would only see the ribcage like that without any muscle structure above it if she is as skinny as pic related. If shes meant to be somewhat muscular like her abs indicate then you would see the saw and oblique muscles attaching to the rib cage.

how do i notice which factors make my things good and which factors make them bad?

>>2888593
Watch FZD on youtube. Feng will make you understand what's good and what's bad. Yes, watch all 80 or 90 videos. You'll be a pro by the end of it.

>>2888593
could you be more vague, please?

>>2888600
>im a dindu and genetically dont have the capability to understand abstract concepts

>>2888593
post your art

>>2888588
what the fuck is that pic

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Here's some anatomy study

>>2888610
this is like a week old but still relevant i suppose
>>2879951 →

>>2888606
>>2888593
I'm aryan. How am I supposed to know what "my things" is meant to be? Figure drawings? Environment drawings? Character design?

Don't be to craven to get specific and post your stuff.

>>2888616
That's really good.

>>2888617
You can't be serious. There are no factors at this stage, spend more time practicing than trolling, untermensch.

>>2888588
Wow. You know, I am a guy with a large ribcage, slightly triangular torso, wide shoulders, and legs longer than the torso. Forgot how do you call that body type. Endomorph or something like that?
I used to be fat when I was a kid. During the last school years, I got my act together and started training a lot. Endurance runs, dumbbells, push-ups and all that shit. So you see, some time later I was like 20 kg less, and everybody started noticing that I look much more slender. I have a little beer belly, but my ribs are clearly visible under my skin sometimes, and I can always count them easily. The girls whom I saw in swimsuits or naked IRL had pretty visible ribs too. So I thought it's only natural when your ribs show like that.

Okay, I'll note that about her pelvis and muscles. The body doesn't look too thin, does it?

>>2888617
i have no clue what really the point of drawing like that is, but if i were you, i'd start drawing from reference, and when you draw, make sure you analyze EVERY SINGLE feature of the face and only draw shadows, no lines or anything. This will give you a kind of feel what the "shadows" really mean, for example if there is a hollow piece on the face or somthing, you'll learn alot that way instead of symbol drawing (which you were doing)

>>2888619
You know when you draw it and you like it. That's why we teach you to draw everything at least once, so you get a feel for what you like. It's also how we weed out those who don't like drawing. Pretty efficient process if I say so myself.

>>2888625
im thinking about what this anon said >>2880088 →

>>2888616
why do a study like that? the "anatomy" your drawing is never gonna show up in drawings, better concentrate on the "visible" anatomy you see on bodies
unless you wanna become some gore artist orsomthing, then your on the right path anon

>>2888629
>> You know when you draw it and you like it
Guess that means I'm much more of a foot fetishist than I'd like to think.

(The guy who drew naked Remilia and portraits of other Touhou girls.)

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>>2888627
Ribcage being visible sometimes is normal, especially when stretching backwards. But it shouldn't be visible all the way if you train a lot, instead you would see the lower edge of the ribcage and the muscles attaching to it, the oblique and saw muscle, producing a zig-zag like pattern at the sides.

Instead of spending days doing small fixes do a single drawing I would advice you learn stuff like anatomy and redo multiple drawings.

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Fixed the arm kind-ish, still looks awful, I need to do more studies about shadows

>>2888124
NGMI

>>2888642
go home smelly paco

>>2888616
I'm impressed you found the exact color they use for fat on those medical anatomy images.

>>2888644
no can do. too busy jackin it to hairy mexican chicks

>>2888625
Thanks!

>>2888637
I just wanted to do a quick practice to better understand the muscles under the skin. But I see your point that I should move on to observing what's visible on the surface. Thanks for the feedback.


>>2888645
I used a medical anatomy reference :)

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>>2888638
I hope you git gud just like this artist did.

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>>2888638

>>2888361
I'm a beginner so I can't give any advice, but I really like this anon.

>>2888665
what is that power gap man

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can they tell im a robot

I find easier to copy hampton, vilppu or even loomis than try to copy photos. Why is that? Also, would I benefit more if I just keep copying anatomy from books or from photos? Or both?

>>2888695
Holy shit, so good. I'm so jealous. Reminds me of how Ruan Jia zooms in intensely to really get those details.

>>2888665
>>2888694
That's really good, I think he copied a bunch of anime in those 2 years though, his anatomy doesn't make much sense but it doesn't matter since he's making cool looking shit

>>2888665
>>2888668
Just goes to show every anime artist starts off terrible and can become good if they put in the work and time.

STOP POSTING FAKE COMPLIMENTS

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WIP, any advice on what to correct before I start to do linework?

>>2888705
stop being jealous about genuine compliments and trying to make others paranoid because of your own shortcomings.

>>2888699
Do whatever works for you anon. We aren't you, we can't fucking guess what works and what doesn't. We're going to be fucking wrong and you're going to blame us.

>>2887639

I can't tell if i am looking at the back or the front of this dude. and the hands would be weird either way.

>>2888639
I wouldn't use a male bodybuilder type to understand the form of a woman...the muscles are the same yes, but the proportions and sizes are very different. Google "fit girl" images and study those.

>>2888734
True, but it's his job to learn anatomy. He's been trying to fix the same drawing for days based on what anons tell him instead of bothering to learn it properly, it's depressing to watch.

>>2888739
It's motivating to watch. So dedicated to his work, it's just so bad, but he wants it to be better. It's so hard for us to help him and it's so hard for him to fix it. I hope he doesn't give up and finishes it.

>>2888708
arms don't seem quite right; length and muscle placement. Otherwise you're probably good. The gray on gray is hard to read though.

>>2888383
i draw weird-ass fetish shit while jacking off but i keep that separate from my serious studies and artistic nudity. lots of these fuckers are too autistic to corral their dick for half a second to draw boobies without getting a bonner.

>>2888383
It's not everyone, but a lot of people probably want to because no one else is doing drawings of what they have envisioned. Like imagine if you really liked a character but no one is drawing anything of her. You could do it, but you suck, so you decide to give it a shot and come to /ic/ for help.

>>2888748
Yeah, I wondered that as well, left arm doesn't seem really "right". Tried fixing it meanwhile but it still looks off, maybe if I try bending it a bit in a > shape
Also the gray on gray is mainly because drawing on plain white really hurts my eyes alot when im focusing. What kind of background do you draw with?

>>2888741
>I hope he doesn't give up and finishes it.

I hope he realizes that drawing requires skill and knowledge and instead attempts to actually learn it, make 100s of bad drawings and then draw her again with proper construction and anatomy.

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>>2888708
Linework for which lines? That much chickensscratch means you're unsure about his form. Draw his body only using boxes, cylinders, and spheres. Then from that try to draw the rounded forms. I'm not the best at this but here you can see the Red lines are the boxy forms...and the Blue lines are the more natural lines i built off of the Red. If you have trouble seeing between the two just open it in your painting program and switch the Hue slider back and forth.

>>2888760
Masterpiece beyond words.

>>2888760?
do you have a tumbr

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Tips for making eyes match?

I'm seeing a genuine improvement in each self portrait I make -This is the fifth after two months - but even with measurements it still seems. Off...

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>>2888787
Shrug

>>2888781
Thanks alot for the lines anon, ill use this for my linework! This makes alot of sense in a way, I used to just "get a feel" for the proportions which is why the much use of lines. Using boxes etc. seems alot more logical.

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>>2888791
Supposedly eyes actually cross

>>2888699
it's easier to copy from an artist's work because they already processed the model's information and gave a simplified/clearer version.

both, you want to make sure you assess all body types. i would imagine books mostly cover a "basic" figure without much variation

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>>2888803
How are you so good?

>>2888225
Her body is basically from the side viewpoint. I measured it out and shes right at 8 heads tall....which for Widowmaker is probably about right. I probably made her head a bit too small and that's why it looks off. If i make it a little bit bigger she would probably be at about 7.5 heads which is pretty standard. If i made her closer to actual in game WM proportions she'd have very very long legs and a relatively short torso, but i wanna make her a bit more realistic.

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doing these really help
how am i doing so far?

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>>2888804
Because my father tells me I'm number one and I use that as a motivation to draw.

>>2888806
>studying underweight people to understand the skeletal structure
Huh, never thought about approaching it like this before.

>>2888807
does your dad jabe a tumber

>>2888797
Weird. That might actually work.

>>2888807
>tfw your father tells you you're not gonna make it
Really makes me think. Maybe he should have done the opposite.

>>2888813
>tfw my father tried to help me make it when i was a kid but i was too autistic and have to learn it now

>>2888813
>Maybe he should have done the opposite.
Explain

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>>2888805
>>2888225
Which of these match her closer?

>Her body is basically from the side viewpoint.

Yes, and that's why it's rather easy to measure her proportions.

>>2888808
oh yes its quite fun too but only for general gesture/placement (cause depending how long theyve been like that it could fuck up the structure id think)
i plan on starting with skellies
then body builders for muscles
than the obese as as exam of sorts

im kinda retarded and this is probably the only way i wrap my head around it

>>2888829
>im kinda retarded
It's okay, we all are.

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were my fathers words a LIE???

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Is this worth continuing with?

>>2888837
How about you finish it and tell us if it was worth continuing?

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>>2888708
I don't know how to feel abou this, my linework is so messy, how the hell do people get straight clean lines?

>>2888835
Aright it was funny the first few times but you're eating up the post limit here

>>2888835
>>2888835
>>2888807
>>2888804
stop samefagging, no one cares.

>>2888841
maybe if you stopped giving him attention he'd get bored

>>2888841
I'm glad we even have daily threads again.

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>>2888838
I just always give up on everything I do, because my mind is such a neighsayer. Of course it has flaws, but I won't be able to get any experience if I never practice and try to render a pic completely.

Pic related, someone else might take this sketch and make something really nice out of it, even if it wasn't perfect, you'd look at it for 8 seconds and be like, huh neat colors or something. The composition doesn't have to be perfect to get " huh nice" in the normies.

So I'm just stuck always making new things and don't want to finish the rest.

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>>2888791
You'll have to stop thinking of the eyes as eyes since doing so reinforces symbol drawing. Think of them in their basic shapes just like the rest of the face. If you break down each facial feature to it's basic shape using boxes, spheres, cylinders, and cones you wont have to worry about making each eye the same as the other. Get the basic shapes right first...then add detail...meaning don't try to draw and shade an eye and then try to draw the other eye and rest of the face. Go big to small.

>>2888847
>I just always give up on everything I do, because my mind is such a neighsayer.
You ever think about NOT doing that?

>>2888828
Like i said in my previous post...i'm not trying to recreate her ridiculously unrealistic proportions where her torso is 20% shorter than it should be. I'll probably make her head a bit larger and see what shortening the torso a bit looks like, but it wont be as fucked as Jizzard made it.

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>>2888848
Got it, I have a habit of completely shading and detailing an area then moving on to the next. I guess it is a mistake to not focus so much on shapes when I draw eyes compared to other things

This was the photo I used for reference, my facial proportions are legitimately wonky.

>>2888840
When i first got my tablet i'd have to redraw a line sometimes nearly 50 or 60 times till i got it where i wanted it. Now it's maybe 10 if it's a complicated S or C curve. Usually if i can get it close enough i'll just use the transform tool on the line to move it where i want. Don't do short choppy strokes. Draw that line at least as long as the body part...something like elbow to wrist, hip to knee. You wont get confident making lines unless you do.

>>2888858
>i'd have to redraw a line sometimes nearly 50 or 60 times till i got it where i wanted it

That's some crazy dedication. I give up after ten and just keep my shitty line as an act of luck.

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>>2888855
Part of the problem is that you seem to have you're camera too close to your face. This creates distortions. A 3/4 shot of the face from at least 4-5 feet away would be better than a straight on shot from 1 foot. In this pic you can see how this distortion happens. The top left is the camera from far away and zoomed in. The bottom right is the camera up close but zoomed out. One flattens the face, and the other distorts it...she probably in RL looks most like the 135mm one. Google "focal length".

>>2888864
I'm familiar with focal length. Also dabble in photography. Didn't consider that my face would look different based on how close or far my camera was, that's pretty interesting. I don't know why I've never thought of using my camera to take my reference pictures instead of my phone's front camera.

This is what my eye looks like before detail, broken down into shapes then shaded. I already see how it seems better than going based off of
>start with a circle
tutorials.

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>>2888875
Whoops

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Hey fellow noobs, this is a sick set up. I'm going to go through all the vilppu videos like this for the rest of the week and I'll bet I'll be 100x better than I am now.

>>2888864
Also the lens closest to the human eye is roughly 50mm

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>>2888855
>>2888864
This is fucking magical I look so different thanks anon

>>2888895
Oh you actually look good and cute!

>>2888895
what happened to your ears

>>2888903
I mirror the pictures I take with the front camera so it looks like what I'm used to. My life is a lie though. I had no idea I actually looked like
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and not
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>>2888067
I'll keep that in mind next time I draw, right now here is my latest drawing.

>>2888912
very kawaii anon, but can you draw some sideway characters as well?

>>2888912
do you understand what the term "fundamentals" mean

it's a scary word, i know

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>>2888912
>these copy paste faces/bodies
lol

>>2888933
not him but how can you tell?

>>2888374
Left face looks a little derpy

Fix the eyes

>>2888048
If you want to do something more stylized as you are, you should try something other then MS Paint or a one pixel line... whatever you are using. You should work a bit on how you finish your artwork while you practice.

>>2888881
That's great anon. From what you've got on screen, your lines are hairy - see how on the right most of the strokes are made in one motion; it's harder on a tablet, but you should try to make your lines like that' there's some great exercises you can pull from draw a box without actually going through the course.

>>2887999
>checkd

You sure are determined... keep practicing and you'll get better.

>>2887681
I'll give you a tip that made my drawings so much better
Her skin and her dress are the same "color", same gray level.
Before you start on a face, for example, use a 2B pencil to define an homogeneus grey tone to the whole face (or face+chest in this case)

>>2888181
>you already not going to make it