/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

>>2880342
>You have been indefinitely banned from DeviantArt with a reason of Unacceptable commentary..
>cant get a link to what was unacceptable comment
i wont bother doing another dA account, fuck that place. mods are full nazis which is sorta stupid since everything else in the website is cringy and 12 years outdated meaning they´re lazy in sections that´d actually matter

is tumblr any better

what is a tinted pallet. im sorry for being such an idiot, but im not really sure what one should do to tint a pallet in digital..

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How is this

>>2880367
not good son

>>2880367
hope your grades are doing well billy, next year 6th grade is where you become a man

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So does anyone actually use this fucker?

I feel that pressure for size is more comfortable for me than pressure for opacity. But I have yet to see someone use pressure for size in their sketches on /ic/ so I feel like I'm in the -wrong- minority.

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Just drew this self portrait. Can someone critique it please?

>>2880402
I love that you signed it.

I mean, it's not much. It's so light on the paper that you can barely see it. It's mostly symbol drawing. The lines are scratchy and not very good. There's no value or shading. There's not much to say after that since it is really lacking in every way.

It doesn't look like you spent much time on it. Okay effort, but still a ways to go. Read the sticky, follow directions, and post the work you do from there.

>>2880411
Thank you.

>>2880388
I-I use both? Doesn't everybody?

>>2880342
Pretty sure the OP picture is just a pro's thumbnail. That is well done.

>>2880474
/beg/inner please. Pros can do much better thumbnails than that.

>>2880342
/r/ing that modular guide to gitting gud if that Anon wrote it.

>>2880522
>draw a box
>draw the rest of the owl

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>>2880474
that is in fact mine. i said last thread it was from reference anyway

>>2880525
What the fuck is going on with that water?

>>2880526
not sure. from a crysis graphics enhacement mod so it probably isn't true to life kek

>>2880527
>that huge sun
Yeah, probably.

>idk how to do get this desired look can you help me?
>just mess with it :DD
>ive been trying to "mess with it" for a fucking year now
>uh well y'know youre expected to sort of know how the program works and what the brushes do and stuff so its ur fault 4 not knowing :DD

i swear to fucking god

>>2880531
Some people just weren't meant to make it, anon. Like you for instance. But since you put in the effort to come here, then well tell me more about your problems. What were you trying to do exactly?

I'm a total novice and I've been going through a few exercises from "keys to drawing" and "drawing on the right side of the brain", but I feel like it assumes the reader already has some, even just a little bit, of drawing experience or at least isn't a total retard like me.I need something that teaches the basest of the basics, like I am a 2 year old holding a pencil for the first time ever.

>>2880539
There's no fucking secret dipshit. Just do the god damn work. Drawing on the right side of the brain is literally the starting point. Keys to drawing can be argued to be a bit more than just beginner, but they're all near the bottom. Just do the damn fucking thing and spend weeks, months on it. If not, then just give up. I'm saving you time that you can use on something more productive like programming.

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Hands are really hard and I suck dicks ;_;

>>2880544
Keep going at it. You'll get there, I recommend reading Loomis's book on heads and hands. The planes one is really useful. There's also one where it looks like a robot hand and that's helpful too. It's also useful to look at your own hand and see how the skin comes together when you bend your fingers.

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How do I learn to draw?

>>2880580
Read the OP for one.

>>2880580
if you have to ask this sort of question then i can already tell you're not taking it seriously

>>2880588
Okay. Sorry about the stupid question. I've been reading fun with a pencil and trying the Loomis head method thing over reference pictures but It just isn't clicking and I've drawn about 50. Even with the marker lines on the head i still find it hard to know how to distance eyes and everything. I can't seem to draw from imagination at all. Is it something that just happens eventually or can only some people do it?

>>2880605
>about 50
Hah, try 500.

>>2880605
Everyone who was ever great at something wasn't always great.

If you cried less about being bad and actually practiced and have faith in yourself you could get somewhere.

>>2880621
>Everyone who was ever great at something wasn't always great.
Do we actually know that this is true?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y9ejU2ij_U

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is this a good tutorial?

>>2880625
There is no such thing as a "good" tutorial. Drawing is all about understanding and if this helps you understand and be able to draw, then it's okay. Just like draw the owl. It's not such a bad tutorial.

>>2880609
>>2880621
Okay. I'm gonna keep drawing heads til I run out of pages.

>>2880638
You can never run out of pages in your mind!

Is constructive anatomy by Bridgman okay for a semi-advanced beginner or is it too advanced? (I.E. I'm past symbol drawing and understand basic construction and perspective)

>>2880644
There's nothing too advanced, you can tackle whatever you want. Just don't complain and cry when you can't do it on the first try.

>>2880647
gotcha

>>2880653
That gesture so good.

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Doing torso studies today, trying to break it down to planes.

I think my perspective is pretty shoddy and values are all over the place.

Feedback appreciated.

>>2880666
So good, I'm jealous. Are you that anon who renders well? Also is this all from imagination or a book?

>>2880668
Thanks! Who's the rendering anon? And no it's all from reference.

>>2880670
All from reference? Mind explaining to me how you do your process of breaking down planes? I'm curious. Perhaps it will help me understand torsos as well as breaking things down into planes better.

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relating shapes n sounds

every good boy does fine : animal cheese

>>2880675
What did he mean by this? Is this what musicians "see" from music?

>>2880680

i have no idea or any clue about music

This is my attempt to reconcile tones to lines for myself personally, i cant imagine till make sense to any musician.

try going down the line on a piano from c
and look at the lines

see if your attention goes to the corresponding line with said tone

>>2880685
Well yeah it does because you've labeled them.

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well first it was iron man from memory, THEN it was iron Deadpool with a giant shlong THEN it became what it is now

done with a mouse, no hate

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>>2880685
>>2880680

like so

again im crazy so i cant imagine its of any worth

>>2880689
I mean, we're all crazy, but you seem to be a different type of crazy.

>>2880685
My music teacher in high school actually made the class do this. He was kinda crazy too though so don't really know.

>>2880689
oh

>>2880685
I see what you mean now anon. I think you're talking about tone or tune or rather a scale.

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>>2880673
Mhm, let me see if I can explain it.

This picture is kinda what I was going for.

Basically, you simplify body down to its most basic 3d shape. So the torso for example becomes a rectangular cube that bends and twists in the middle. Each side of that cube will have different shades based on where the light is hitting.

Once you get comfortable with 4 sides, you can add more sides for more shades. You can also add shapes to the torso, like the breasts will be spheres, arms will be cylinders or cubes. If the stomach is sticking out you can show that as a round shape on top of the torso cube.

Everything is kindof trial and error at that point. Just play around with it and you'll get it. I hope that helps.

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What do I do if I am only at chapter 2 of " Keys to Drawing" and bored out of my mind. The chapters are kind of interesting but I just can't bring myself to do these boring ass excercises

>>2880709
Then don't do them. What do you want to do?

>>2880715
I'm just afraid of leaving gaps in my learning. I just want to keep drawing though, I guess I should just suck it up.

>>2880720
There is no way to not leave gaps in your learning. You're a beginner, you can't comprehend all the information the world has to give you.

>>2880721
So I should just start where its most enjoyable then?

>>2880722
You can do whatever you want. There's no rules, just tools to help you. If you wanna draw anime, draw anime. If you wanna draw landscapes, draw landscapes.

>>2880727
I thought that it was bad to just copy other artists. Aren't you supposed to just draw from life?

>>2880709
DO
YOUR
FUNDAMENTALS
i damned myself forever because I didn't learn them

>>2880729
What did I just say? There's no rules! Get that into your head. Follow your intuition and do what you think you need to. This will keep your focus in game and not wandering on what to do.

>>2880712
you're gonna make it

>>2880712
It bothers me how nicely proportioned this i as well as cute. I can't even do this.

Where's the pill I can take to suddenly be amazing at art over night?

>>2880757
Pretty sure if you take anti-depressants, it would do you wonders.

>>2880757
the iron pill

>>2880712
i feel like this image is mocking me

>>2880757
Cyanide pill

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Posted in old thread, no reply.
How do I improve my linework?

>>2880809
zoom in and use the eraser to remove clutter

>>2880812
Thanks.

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R8 my sheit.

>>2880822
I can see you like them THICC, but also with a reasonable sized bust.

>>2880088
>>2880095
>>2879951
anyone have any thoughts on this?

>>2880822
needs a lot of work anon. try to do less scribbling. learn some more about anatomy. your proportions look ok but you gotta do that shit . if you just recently started i think you will be ok. but after a lot more work.

>>2880822
It bothers me that it looks like what my figures used to be. You have a rough road ahead.

how do I shade without things looking unsaturated? My things never look vibrant and beautiful.

>>2880833
Yea, that's one thing I want to tackle on.
Plus I need to learn hands and feet soon.

>>2880838
Learn color theory

is it worth going from CS5 to photoshop CC?

>>2880842
no

>>2880836
How are your figures now? Better, I assume?

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>>2880822
The first thing you need to learn is stop using 5 or more lines to express what can be expressed by just one. The proportion of the amount of time you spend thinking where to put the lines and the time you spend actually drawing the lines should be like 5:1.

You have it flipped on its head. You make a line, it's wrong, you make another next to it, wrong again, repeat 5 times. You end up with a mess.

make one line and make it count. If you're not sure where it should be, make it extremely faint and use that to judge where the correct line should be compared to the faint line. The way you do it now, there are 5 different lines overlapping each other, all equal in thickness and opacity, and therefore in importance. You are saying 5 different things equally loud, but only one of them is correct. Make 1 line and make it count, erase the rest or don't make it i the first place.

>>2880845
Much cleaner and accurately in perspective. Lineweight is still an issue though.

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Rate my doggo.

>>2880850
So basically use the least amount of lines?

>>2880822
Looks like you hold your pencil too hard and go over your lines like 10 times each. That makes them look scratchy and causes your entire figure to look stiff. Work on lightening your grip and trying to get your lines on the first try. Ghost your lines, which means make the motion of drawing the line a few times before actually drawing it.

Aside from lines, your gestures are lacking rhythm and line of action which makes them look unbalanced and weightless. You can look both those up and find demos on youtube.

Lastly, you're focusing too much on drawing the outline of the figure which loses the gesture. Think of gestures as drawn from the inside out.

A good practice for you would be 30 second gestures to get you to loosen up. You won't have enough time to draw the outline then so all you can do is try to get a nice line of action to show the pose.

>>2880853
That and more shoulder action.

>>2880854
>>2880853
What would be a good example of "not drawing the outline"? Should I work more on structure?

>>2880857
I see, thanks.

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>>2880853
Yes, which basically amounts to 1 in all circumstances. You're allowed some faint lines for the purpose of judging whether they're correct and then making your actual line against them, but they should be barely visible so that they can be erased easily. This is important: take as much time as you need and resist the urge to make lines. Making useless lines gives you an illusion of progressing towards the completion of the drawing, but in fact leads you astray and wastes time. The fastest draftsmen and painters are the ones that think 5 times and draw once.

>>2880852
I took the lightest light from your doggo, the highlight on the eye, and put it next to the background. You see how dark it appears? You have wasted your delicious light on the background. Shoulda kept it for the important parts, like the highlight, which will make it shine against the darker rest of the painting. Also your doggo has no texture. Most of them have scaly skin full of bumps, not smooth.

>>2880866
Hey thanks. You're good.

>>2880866
Did you use a photo for this texture?

>>2880873
Nope, mixer brush

>>2880871
you're welcome

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>>2880859
You want to be able to show your gesture in just a few lines. Look at the picture. The stick figure on the left is already the gesture. It shows you exactly what the pose is. There is weight to the figure and the feet are planted. The outline then is drawn to flow with the lines of the stick figure.

Your gestures do have the stick figure pose in there, but your outlines work against the flow of those lines. Also you need more practice in getting that flow of the stick figure.

That's why I recommended doing 30 second gestures. So you can focus only on capturing the movement. Try to find the large sweeping line in each pose. Then when you get that down, you can draw the outline that flows with the gesture.

>>2880866
>The fastest draftsmen and painters are the ones that think 5 times and draw once.
Who are some of the fastest draftsmen and painters?

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>>2880875
This mixer brush thingy is amazing, the possibilities are endless.

>>2880879
Tom Preston, Shadman, Sparrow

>>2880879
Richard Schmid, Craig Mullins

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>>2880342
i´m gonna sell out and start doing shitloads of fandom girls daily now, you guys got any female drawing tutorials?

the end goal is to make say at least 200 dollars with art commissions during next couple months

>>2880905
Where are you now?

>>2880905
>fandom girls
Like waifus? If you're good, it's not really that hard. Commissions come quick. It's whether or not you're quick. I've seen illustrators charge 200$ for just one commission.

>>2880910
>I've seen illustrators charge 200$ for just one commission.

Lmao you say it like it's a lot of money for 10+ hrs of work.

>>2880905
How do you plan to get people to commission you?

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>>2880344
Leaving this WIP study here as I'm going away until sunday. Critique of what there is is welcome (evidently I haven't finished touching up the face or hands, as well as defined the visible foot)

>lying in bed
>close eyes
>see loomis heads
Tfw

>>2880876
Not that anon but this is good and I will try this.

So I've been using Krita for my digital medium with my tablet, should I keep learning Krita or move on to something better?

>>2880956
by offering them shit they´re addicted to

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What should i be doing to get to this level?

>>2880712
D:

>>2881078
Draw faces. Lots of them.

>>2881094
Okay. Should i try drawing from photographs? any recommended viewing, reading beyond loomis and peter han?

>>2881099
Drawing from photographs is beneficial, but limited in how helpful it is, because you're studying a flat image, not 3D form.

Drawing from a live model is great because you cal look at the head from slightly different points of view therefore understanding the form better, but difficult for a beginner because of time constraints, model movement and added complexity of color and often shitty lighting prevalent in many life drawing classes.

Drawing plaster casts and sculptures/monuments from life is the best for beginners, because you're getting the best of both worlds. This is why XIXth century atelier students would draw and paint plaster casts for years before they were allowed to move onto color and live models.

>>2881106
Sounds pretty inefficient if they had to do it for years.

>>2881142
Yeah desu that sounds like it sucks

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what am I even doing

>>2881166
>didnt read the sticky
>didnt read the op
>ironic flat earther
reported for rule breaking

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Any critiques? And if anyone can give me advice/Tutorials on hair/feathers or anything I'm lacking on I would be very grateful.

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Do u like it

>>2881193
Thicc

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>>2881179
No one? :(

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>>2881142
After 5-10 years they were capable of creating pic related, which is more than can be said about /ic/ and other methods that involve cluelessly spinning your wheels and reinventing the said wheel .

>>2881224
It's shit

>>2881228
Thanks for the constructive criticism anon.

>>2881226
>drinking milk before refrigeration was invented

Yuck

>>2881277
pasteurization you yokel

>>2881280
be more ambitious
remember you need to be able to draw realism before you can draw stylised stuff.

>>2881286
Every Time I draw realism I fall so hard in the uncanny valley that the drawings from the monsters thread look like cute girls.
But I'm gonna try be more ambitious, just don't know how.

Is drawing from references a good way to learn how to draw from imagination? Or do I need to practice doing that separately. Would my time be better spent just learning anatomy so I can construct bodies in any pose? At the moment kind of feels like I'm just tracing. I'm learning to draw heads better but I'm completely lost when it comes to bodies.

>>2880088
>>2880095
>>2879951
anyone have any thoughts on this?

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Any pointers?

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I've been doing the Form Intersections exercise on this page: http://drawabox.com/lesson/2
I can't wrap my head around how these forms would intersect. I've been thinking about it for half an hour but no clue. Any help?

>>2881319
very cute, add a background

if you can make the colors more saturated that would be nice

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>>2881319
Here's the reference I used.

>>2881330
That's a good point, the wings and body turned out a bit light. Thank you.

All of you who posted art or a positive critique in this thread are going to make it someday.

Keep going, keep growing! I believe in you!

>>2881329
fire up some 3d software

>>2881337
Arigatou onii-chan

Can anyone recommend a guide for drawing cats?

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I suck at drawing from imagination

>>2881351
you're a strange one
looks like you are making progress
strange but technically proficient art is best art

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Mang, this shit is haaaard.

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Doing portraits is hard.

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What do you guys think?

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>>2881329

Is this how you do it?

>>2881384
nostril same size as his mouth

>>2881387
Don't be racist against the chosen people

>>2881362
Ahahaha jesus.

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>>2881329
>>2881345
>>2881386
I think I've figured it out somehow. Pic related is how I decided to go with it. Seems similar enough to the last anon so I think it's correct? Maybe?

>>2881329
Unrelated to your question, sorry, but any particular reason you're doing these exercises digitally? I recently started drawabox drills too and while I initially thought I'd be doing everything on my tablet too, the guy seemed very adamant on using felt tip pens.

>>2881406
I am the Anon who tried it too, I sincerely have no idea. It doesn't look wrong, so I supposed it's correct?

>>2880344
damn son look at dem tiddies

>>2881414
I wasn't really convinced by the guy's arguments: he explains you shouldn't use digital because drivers can be crap, which isn't my experience, but also because it "breeds impatience", which makes no sense to me since I take a lot of time with these exercises. I did the first lesson both traditionally and digitally but it ended up being annoying, so I only use digital now as that's my end goal anyway.

You should try and emulate the felt tip pen by setting your pen pressure sensitivity a bit higher though. Maybe unbind Ctrl+Z if you want. Don't use any complicated brushes, just some basic round line art brush.

>>2881418
I guess it's correct then. I'll do some more intersections later.

>>2881433


Draw a box is pretty much ripped off Peter Han seminar on Dynamic sketching, or so it seems to me. Peter Han also insists that you use a felt tip pen, exactly the same brand even. The reason he gives is that you should use a pen that will not allow you to ''feather in'' and hide your mistakes, you can see where you fuck up very clearly and work on improving your linework/anything else you fuck up.

>>2881436
That's accomplishable digitally by just resisting the urge to correct your mistakes despite having a plethora of easy ways out, isn't it? Seems just as beneficial in the long run in terms of learning to be careful with your lines.

>>2881439
I suppose you're right, but I do plan on going to Museums so I can sketch so getting used to the felt tip pen it's going to be beneficial long term. That's the next step in Peter Han's seminar once you're good with forms.

>>2881436
The first lesson should definitely be done with felt tip pen at first, I agree. As I progressively saw my wavy lines become straight, confident lines, I moved to digital and have just continued emulating the felt tip pen by using high pen pressure sensitivity, unbinding Ctrl+Z and using an extremely basic round brush. It's just much easier to manage for me since I can just ignore colour and the other brushes for now.

I want to draw animals. Tips? i have the ken hulgtren pdf, anything else i can use/do?

>>2881462
Vilppu I think has a book on animals

>>2881473
Lying

>>2881462
>>2881466

Vilppu also has a DVD on animal anatomy

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Forgot a rule of /ic/: Resize.

Just dropped out of art college. What am I doing wrong?

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some erm theories about tones and music and shtuff

again its esoterically made for me but mebbe you guys can derive some fun fax

>>2881477
Try straightening your index finger while at the same time bending your thumb inwards, like the lower left hand pose.

I think it's not possible.

>>2881506
>he's actually have fun and experimenting
This is how you make it.

>>2881510
Sounds like some cringy shit you read on Tumblr.

>>2881514
Stop being so good!

>>2881514
so simple but so effective

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>>2881509
This pose?

if i post my terrible practice stuff can i get some advice on what to do with my study time?

>>2881521
no

>>2881521
Tell us what you want to draw then we tell you what to do.

>>2881524
People, fantasy stuff, places. Uh example something like
>samurai
>baby on his back
>overlooking a plain of dragons or something

>>2881179
So I'm back after 5hrs and still nothing....sigh

>>2881520
odd, i can't do it.

>>2881527
Alright. Go draw stuff like that then. That was easy right?

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>>2881532
How does one go about simplifying stuff? Do i need to work on my grasp of form, what kind of exercises can i do for that?

>>2881528
Seems like you noticed yourself that you draw tits on that guy...

learn more loomis

>>2881529
I broke my index finger as a kid. That might have something to do with it

>>2881535
draw boxes, cylinders, pyramids in perspective.

>>2881536
Its not a guy.....

>>2881535
dude boxes lmao

>>2881506

What's the theory about? Arpeggios?

>>2881535
>simplifying stuff
For what reason?

>>2881540
looks like one. Short hair, thick short neck...

>>2881553

Black women look like men, imo.

>>2881558
hm... now that I think of it, that's true.

>>2881553
What is google?
What are African tribes?
seriously anon

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>>2881561
Okay, I just googled and they still have a kind of feminine neck. It's thicker than average but at the same time their faces are heavily protruded and since proportions are relative to each other it still appears feminine.

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>>2881569
>>2881561
In most images their necks are still thinner than their head.

Wheres in the drawing of >>2881179 it looks as if her neck is bursting through the rings and even thicker than her head. Look at how little distance their is between the lowest point of the jaw and the neck.


It's obviously not wrong to draw a woman with a masculine neck, but I personally would draw more idealized proportions and in order to do that I would once again advice loomis.

>>2880342
I'm really bad at copy, every thime there's something off. I'm one of the new beginners doing draw with a pencilI'm Better drawing from imagination than copying any Loomis vintage drawings. Any tips to copy? More Betty Edward's Upside-down drawing?

Help!

>>2881576
If your imagination stuff is really good, does it matter to you?

>>2881576
Draw more and spend more time perfecting your work. Quality > Quantity.

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>>2881558
They look like woman to me.

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>>2881580
Sorry, wrong pic.

>>2881580
Cover her body (don't look at her tits and over proportional hips and ass) and only look at her face.

>>2881580
>that face
I winced

>>2881580
What a disgusting looking creature

>>2881583
What do you mean by "look at her face"? That's don't make any sense in my language of origin.

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Why I am shit at gesture drawing?
All of these are 30 seconds each.
>Not going to make it

>>2881588
Where are you from? He meant that his facial aesthetics are so horrid he felt pain/cringe at the sight

>>2881593

>Bad line economic KISS
>NO RYTHMIC/MOTION/WRAPPING LINES, DO YOU EVEN HAMPTON?
>30s Why? Take longer you cunt

>>2881588
Open the picture. Now place your hand such that her ass and tits are covered but the rest isn't.

>>2881594
>>2881598
What man in his right mind would look at a woman 's face? You are trying to fuck her or make friends?

>>2881593
What is your anatomy knowledge like?

>>2881593
They stand on no ground for one. The ground is useful for beginners to think of. It's where weight goes. You should also begin studying how the body works with its anatomy. As well as see the planes of shadow and light. All of these will help your gestures as well as figures. Doing gestures alone though is a meme and useless.

>>2881600

What else is there to look at? A disgusting buttery ass that reminds me of that Pepe meme or her lumpy saggy tits? The only beautiful thing there is the background, and I mean the environment.

>>2881600
When i look at that picture my gaze is constantly sweeping between her tits, ass and face trying to figure out which is less abhorrent to look at.

If you can look at that weird tit of hers and be pleased or if you are able to ignore her butterface than you sure are a different kind of man than me.

>>2881605
>>2881610
I see, I'm sorry, in my country we dont have a lot of you guys but I learnd with my father to accept people with diferent sexual opinions than mine, if you are gay that's fine to me, but dont try to push your personal tastes on my person.

I dont wanna fight anymore, i don't like it, i'm a peaceful man can we make up now?

>>2881613
If that women makes you hard, it's not because your heterosexual, it's because in your country there most likely no better women.

I understand. If I were starving I would eat tofu and like it.

>>2881613

Hey brah, nothing wrong with eating da poopoo wink wink

>>2881620
Well, maybe you're right, but we can always buy womens from other countries, right? So that's don't make any difference :)

>>2881578
Only because maybe there's something wrong with my measures and proportions, when copying. I think I can't draw from a model this way... I'll try to draw rom a picture next.

>>2881579
Ok, I'll pay more attention. Thanks.

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>>2881630

You're getting into muddier looking waters than the skin of your mother, son. Lay it off with the banter and grind fundamentals before I whip you back into doing some manual labor.

Rawr

>>2881601
>>2881604
>You have to learn gesture before anatomy
I thought beginners are suppose to learn basic gesture,line of action, and silhouette before anatomy.

>>2881639
You're right, I'm sorry.

>>2881638
>>2881579
I wouldn't generalize that quality is alway superior to quantity.

Gesture drawing with a timelimit for example are EXTREMELY helpful but they are quantity > quality.

>>2881641

Yeah, me too. Let's get back to it brah. We gotta make it and the road ahead is a long one.

>this thread

>>2881640
While you should start with gesture first you should not expect to master gesture before you start learning anatomy. I don't think it's possible to master gesture without anatomy knowledge.

>>2881640
Yeah just the basics. That takes one session of practice. Rest is to do anatomy like skeleton and anatomy. Also the best way to draw to learn how to draw figures is to draw them because the lines you make will tell you the right angles and how to make sure it's in the right perspective. Proportion control is in Loomis's book.

>>2881593
Some of these are already looking better than your last batch. You're using longer fluid lines and less scratchy lines. Your grip is lighter. Keep it up.

Don't worry about the 30 sec gestures. That was just an exercise to get you to loosen up and find the motion of the figure without the contour.

Like others have said, gesture is not something to master on its own. It goes hand in hand with learning anatomy, construction, and everything else that's to do with figure drawing. So go practice those other things now, and revisit gestures again from time to time.

If you haven't, check out Proko's vids on gesture and figure drawing.

>>2881640

Just watch Hampton's seminar on Gesture, it's free on CGpeers mang. It'll help you out tons. You don't need to know human anatomy to get awesome in gestures, they are literally just forms. You don't need to know how to render muscles/bones to do that.

how do i retain the looseness of a sketch when inking? am i supposed to be thinking differently? what's a good exercise for this?

>>2881663
It's called line weight. Very difficult for beginners to do because it's something gained from experience and having drawn a long time. Search it up if you want to see what I mean. Good exercise is inking a lot of your sketches!

>>2881649
>>2881654
>>2881659
I can see how anatomy will help on my figures
>>2880822
As of now, rough road ahead.
>>2881660
>Others saying learn anatomy
>You don't need to learn anatomy

>>2881514
>>2881515
>>2881516
stop samefagging

it was cute in the beginning but embarassing now

>>2881666
my sketches are good but when i ink over them, the drawing just doesn't feel the same. i'm not a beginner, but this still happens a lot and i end up cleaning up the sketch instead. guess i'll try to rack up on inking mileage.

>>2881667

You don't need to tackle anatomy to have the ability to communicate action with gestures, you could do them with anthromorgic looking beings or just lines. The core of gesture is to understand the relationships between the lines and some basic understanding of construction. But well, we all gotta learn anatomy sooner or later, I just don't think that's what's going to help you understand gesture better right now.

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>>2881671

>>2881644
Ok anon, thanks

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Out of my comfort zone: paint something wihthout a sketch. how uncomfortable

>>2881717
Is this image an assignment for some program or are you just that same anon who has been doing it for like a week now.

>>2881720
i started it last night and finished this morning...

Feel like my minds on fire. Ever dive I started drawing I see the world differently. Keep thinking how i'd draw things in my head. Its kind of annoying since I can't help but do it but I'm still shit at drawing.

>>2881744
That's because you're a dumb ass and don't draw on paper and only in your head. Like the rest of us do. That's why post your work doesn't work because our work is shit, but our knowledge isn't.

>>2881747
My knowledge is shit as well. I just mean I'm starting to notice things more now. And when I look around I try to see the shapes and lines that make to things, the shadows etc. Even in my head I'm a shitty drawer though.

>>2881717
Your values are off--you can go darekr in many places. Also just because you aren't using linework, doesn't mean you can neglect the drawing aspects. Using the shapes you lay down you need to ensure they describe things accurately and are precise. I recommend slowing down, and focusing on putting down each shape carefully.

My first drawing tablet ever has arrived, can't wait to get home and try it out. It's a Wacom Intuos Comic, what do you think? Is it a good one?

Wish me luck, I want to learn.

>>2881744
I have this problem too, my hands haven't caught up with my mind yet. I would spend so many days reading, watching and listening to all the instruction I could get, but because I wasn't drawing enough to keep up with what I was learning I got really frustrated and demotivated and stopped drawing for a while. Don't fall into this trap Anon. Keep dishing out drawings, and don't feel bad when they're shit because everyone has to start out like that.

>>2881757
Best of luck! I hope if you find that you like digital drawing and want to pursue it further you get a bigger tablet though. My younger sister has that tablet and although it works great for her, she doesn't draw too often and is just a kid. It's pretty small so drawing for long periods of time on it will probably fuck up you're wrist.

>>2881401
What?

>>2881760
Thank you. I'll do my best, it's something I've always wanted.

>>2881757
I hope your fundamentals are sound on pencil/paper in that case. Godspeed anon.

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>>2880342
its kinda relaxing just to do page full of random shit at times

>>2881757
Welcome aboard, anon. We're all gonna make it.

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I didn't finish because I didn't like how the colored pencil turned out mainly in the bottom left corner.

>>2880680
i know what kinda sound the wave represents so in a way, yes
>any spike upwards is increase in volume and the whole sample is all the variations from start volume to silence

Is there a good modern loomis equivalent? i really dislike the dude's style.

>>2881777
Feng Zhu.

reminder that even chris chan finished his comic project

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I think I made my vanishing points too close for the house. Also I wish I did the farther trees on a different layer so I could of made them lighter, but now it's too late for that orz. Maybe I should just redo them.

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>>2881793
vanishing points and eye level

>>2881793
>>2881795
I just realized you also created a design for the house.

Jealous that it looks so comfy and that you can draw better than me after a like a month.

>>2881768
Not really, I used to love sketching freely with no technique, now I'm back on doing it everyday along with exercises. I'm deciding on wether taking a course or lurk to learn.

>>2881772
Thank you, brah.

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What is the best way to draw hair? Always looks weird when I try. Not that the rest is any better.

>>2881798
I'm embarrassed to say I've actually been drawing seriously for a year now Anon. I got issues so I'd take months off to sulk, and I wasted more then half of it on autistic improvements though.

>>2881193
The distance between the shoulders and the waist is really small and makes her look more like a long-legged midget than anything, even ignoring the super-sized breasts.

>>2881078
read loomis and practice

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>>2880689
cool I didn't know there were others, I don't know what notes mean what but I associate certain linear paths to sound as well, don't see color from it though save on very rare occasions. Do you see numbers and letters as having colors as well? Also does this sort of thing become more pronounced with alcohol for you, it does for me with thoughts and shapes. Only ever met 1 other weirdo like this in a similar way I do and want to know how others experience this shit, we're a rare breed of fucked up.

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What do I do to not suck so much at drawing hands? Also just generally fuck my shit up sempai, I really wanna get better at this stuff.

>>2881817
Draw every strand.

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drawing cigarettes and packets

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>>2881795
my gestures have regressed again orz. Is it alright to study anatomy while studying gesture?

>>2881844
Yes.

>>2881807
There aren't any rules, of course - just tools. But just understand that you probably might not progress as quickly as others who are starting their fundamentals just now. Because of the dexterity of a pencil and your experience with the medium (in terms of using it throughout school and such) it's easier to get the basic skills of drawing put in place using that instead of resorting to a device like a tablet. But then again if you can handle being stressed more often here and there then I say go for it.

>but i don't intend to use traditional mediums!

Very few here do. The idea is that the skill transfers onto a digital medium. You can play ball whether on an outdoors court or in a gym.

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wait is there any special techniques on drawing cigarettes and cigarette packs

>>2881855
They are boxes and cylinders you tard.

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Ok, guys, how's my understanding of female feet shape? Would you consider such feet attractive? Can you see (visualize from the shape) the posture, or rather, the motion I tried to capture?

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Just some fun with a pen

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get this good.

>>2881899
Footfag here. Left looks okay, right is like monster tier. Could be more attractive though. I can see the motion probably. Full figure when?

>>2881912
Um, do you mean relative to the viewer? Not sure what could disturb you in the right foot (which, unfortunately, is going to be blocked off with a Spear the Gungnir, which serves as a convenient censor for her private parts and a sexual symbol at the same time).
Oh, and which motion that could be?

As for the full picture, I have already drawn most of the lineart, but it still needs a lot of clean-up and tweaking, and then I would spend a lot of time painting over it and drawing hair manually. It's an anime-esque picture of a nude winged vampire girl in ushanka, and she's pointing at viewer and making a lewd/rape face.

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>>2881861
But how good?

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what am I doing wrong here? I feel like they look like the half werewolf hand in American Werewolf in London...like during the transformation

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>>2881826

>>2881976
what immediately springs to mind is that your fingers do not start from your palm on a straight line. it is arced like the rest of the knuckles. also your thumb looks like its on backwards.

How long does it take to get out of symbol drawing? Im doing a front view portrait of myself in keys and it just looks like the fucking symbol drawing in the sticky to me.

>>2882015
You should read Loomis's book on heads and hands. Use that as a base to do your head, you'll see a lot of improvement. Particularly the part about the eyes and the lips. Something you won't notice is explained by Loomis and once you get that, it looks a lot better. Noses are the bane of everyone's existence though.

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>>2881514
You've inspired me anon

>>2880998
are you supposed to be a beginner

>>2882016
Ill try reading loomis after i finish this drawing then, thanks.

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>>2881910
pretty cool anon, but the pose could use some work.

Is it a good idea try copying drawings to imrpove myself?

>>2882035
It certainly can help you learn how to draw something, but only if the original picture is good in that regard.

Does anyone else see shapes in the letters of the posts here? I've been doing so much practice lately that all I see are shapes of things everywhere. Can't explain what I mean properly desu. Need sleep.

>>2882040
probably brain cancer

>>2882057
Genuinely worried now. Ohboy

>>2882029
But I like my elongated quasi Keith Harring arms! Ha ha ha. Yours is good too though

>>2882118
How long does it take you to think before you put down a line? Is that why it's so perfect? You probably ghost a thousand times to make sure it's just right.

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switching from graphite to charcoal. made a mess

>>2882130
It only seems messy, when in reality, pastel is a fuck load of dust every where. Be glad it's not pastel.

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>>2882121
It takes a while to plan where I'm going to draw the next line, and how I get the lines to look smooth is I use my whole arm when I do my strokes sometimes my wrist as a habit but mostly arm movement.

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and good ol imperishable night.

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what I drew today advice welcomed

>>2882023
I've been drawing from hampton's book (and also in general) for some time but in regards to value studies I've done almost nothing. Haven't really started out with using color either. So it depends on what you look at.

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another figure, yay

I wanna git gud at drawing quickly and in a non-photorealistic way. Who should I study?

>>2882205
Depends on what you want to draw

>>2882207
People mostly, along with backgrounds and clothing. I'd like to get started on doing animation but the few times I've dabbled in it I get overwhelmed.

>>2882210
Overwhelmed by what?

>>2882211
probably by not being able to draw what he wants when trying to animate

>>2882211
Trying to do too much beyond my skill level, like background rotating and stuff. I haven't done it recently bcuz my tab's been in the mail for a while and I don't have the money for cheap translucent paper.

>draw cubes and shit to learn perspective
>practice lines over and over, cylinders
>after two hours of doing it I reward myself with drawing some anime shit for fun
>like how part of the drawing turned out
>get stuck with arms and legs of the character
>erasing shit over and over
>realize I've been erasing and redrawing the same parts for at least an hour, making no progress
>at that moment I know there's no reason to keep the part I like because I've simply been polishing a turd I'm unable to fix
>delete everything and start over

At times like this I feel like shit, but it also feels good to know when to stop.

>>2882210
Draw a box. Proko for specifics. Sounds like you're going to be working a lot with line, composition, colour, figure, exaggeration, etc. For animation stuff maybe try draw with jazza; he has a couple of okay videos. Don't learn other stuff from him though, he's a bit terrible.

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>>2882004
Thanks anon

>>2881793
If anything, the design of the house is amazing.