>>2375626 I just feel like whenever someone who comes here that doesn't know what they're doing, they'll hear "loomis" and be shit on Also, now you can't even ask for someone's blog unironically without being claimed to be a shitposter. And, maybe its just me, but now i have this really unheatlhy view of art now that ive been here for awhile.
>>2375630 First of all I am glad asking for a blog is deemed as shitposting now for as this place wasn't meant for that if you want to talk about blogs go to myspace or something. If someone tells you Loomis that means you are missing fundamentals and Loomis is one of the stepping stones you will have to cross in order to improve.
Personally I haven't seen anyone get shit on except for Ian after he was caught shitposting and attempted to damage control.
Protip: If you say "Hey, that's cool, do you have blog or tumblr so I can follow you?" like a normal human being with full sentences you will get serious answer. If you will ask "blog?" like a retard, you will be ignored as an idiot.
>>2375692 That LAS is nothing but a glorified circlejerk and a subtle way of namefagging. If you honestly cannot work by yourself and need to be around other people to make you do something you're not going to make it.
but seriously, how can anybody come to an artwork and critique board and then proceed to spout that doing anything in a community is bad? If you seriously believe this kindly get the fuck off of /ic/ and return to your hermit shack.
>>2375714 you must be new and full of ambition. wait till you get old and bored with failure/stagnation. you might be feeling good about copying references, like you're making progress, but it's an illusion. very few actually make it as an artist, out of millions who try. LAS is a way to tunnel-vision without being distracted by reality of being a failure and i vouch for it.
>>2375724 I honestly wanted to try it out when I first saw it being formed but I quickly realized the potential backfire from it in the long term, unless you want to be depressed about not getting enough views or whatever I suggest you leave the group and get used to working by yourself.
>>2375732 If you don't find any fun by drawing for the sake of drawing without wanting to post it somewhere to have someone pat you in the ass you're not going to be happy.
>>2375639 The thing is sometimes people can't drop a project to work on fundamentals. If I'm working on a project for class due in two days, I probably can't go and do 500 studies on basics when I need to finish the actual piece I'm required to do. Loomis shouldn't be the end-all, be-all answer to everything, there should be some actual criticism, actual discussion of what's wrong, etc.
>>2375760 Lava is the site admin you fucking sperg you probably don't want to join because there are no views or favs for you to jerk off to, no comments for you to shitpost on, etc. no, you don't have to read the thread if you don't want, you can just post on the site. but who cares if you don't like it, you worm, no one will miss you.
Of course I enjoy drawing without posting it. It's not like anyone is looking at what I'm posting. The fun part for me is having a deadline and making a competition of it.
It's no different from blocking out a time every day to draw except it's a little bit more fun because you're trying to keep up with other people. It's like how running with someone else is more enjoyable than running on your own.
>>2375782 That's understandable but it would make sense to keep it in your forums try not to let it leak outside to here otherwise we'll have more of you faggots shitting up /ic/ making threads on "x" didn't submit something on time lets shame "x" and burn on the stake.
>>2375618 Yeah it's slowly gotten worse over the last 2 years. its complete garbage at this point. Not necessarily a bad thing though, I probably wasted a couple hours a day browsing or shitposting, now I can hardly stand to spend more than 10 minutes scrolling through for new threads. Will probably abandon /ic/ soon like most people do, I'm only still here out of habit at this point.
It has always been good, its just that the good artists dont show off their work as much as the beginners. Because they probably know they could be doing better things than sharing their drawings on an anonymous image board. But keep you eyes open in threads asking for help on specific things and sometimes you will find some wonderful material.
No it has never been good. Too many egomaniacs, and people looking for an excuse to whine, or people who are looking to make themselves feel better by dragging others down, rather than building themselves up. OOOOOR people who think THEY know the proper way to do something, and will shred anyone who doesn't do it "The Right Way".
It's not useful or helpful, but then again, the last time I posted in Conceptart.org, I had a similar experience.
>>2375618 I think in general, the West is declining, and that goes for the entirety of its culture. On that, in regards to just art and this board, I'd say it's definitely gotten worse; hard to say since it was never that good to begin with, but I'd say it is. I used to come here and pick up the little gems; stuff like Teal's redlines, and posts by those duders that make the good arts. There was other shit, but the point being: it was a helpful resource, however meager.
>>2375628 >>2375681 You're either not very observant or a complete lunatic if you don't think that all communities on the internet, including this one, haven't seen better days regarding their communities. Oh yeah: there might be more people, or maybe it's the same, but the type of person pervading this kind of sight are the kinds that regurgitate information they don't understand so that they can mimic a personality so they can fit in and feel like artists. All the posting about Loomis, and the fact that people take it seriously, is an alarming case-and-point that shows how poorly an idea can be misconstrued.
>>2375653 No. "blog?" is as easy as typing "lol" It's a way for me to ask for something without having to rub my dick against the keyboard and gasp out my esteem and admiration for your orgasmic artwork. >inb4 hyperbole It ain't rocket science. It's a fucking simple way to phrase a simple fucking question.
>>2375677 I'd agree in that I think full sentences are a good way to show you aren't a complete retard, but you can fuck off with your phony understandings and sophistry. Normal human beings sum up information all simple-like all the time like that.
>>2375766 My opinion is that, unless you can articulate in words why you find a piece wrong, you can't justify your own assertion. Furthermore, if you can't visually convey how to resolve that wrong, I don't think you can justify your own solution to the issue. If you can't comprehend the beliefs you hold, then there is no way for you to make me comprehend them for you.
>>2375773 I saw that shit and it's the dumbest shit I've seen. I update daily where I post because I draw daily, and I don't need a bunch of faggots cheering me on to motivate me to make art; I do it because I love it and I wanna fucking do it, and I study and try to improve because I wanna do a good job.
>>2375812 That's about where I am. I only make posts like this when I see a thread that catches my interest like this.
I feel like there's a problem with creativity, and at the same time, I don't think anyone genuinely cares to fix it when I interact with the few circles I'm a part of. Whenever someone does attempt their own "solution" with whatever resolve they have, they constantly fall into the same fucking pitfalls that were fucking up the rest of the industry for consumers in the first place. >look at crowdfunding >look at freelance artists >look at the companies themselves I don't see the drive to create something inspired or original, and I don't see the potential for an industry that, at its core, is uninspired and unoriginal. >look at schools >look at jobs There is something very wrong to me about how artists are treated and how companies are run, and there's shockingly few studios that come out of freelancers that I can think of that have done anything to really consolidate power from those companies and create something "new and exciting" that can fucking drive the goddamn market.
>>2376194 It's worse now though that you have been that are utterly convinced that they've created a separate school of thought that is above the megalomaniacs. Despite that, they're just as retarded; just as fucking autistic and filled with ideals built upon assumptions and fallacious logic.
>>2375626 It could be worse, but I'll never resign myself and accept that the world should just be shitty "'cause that the way it is". There is a REASON why certain things are the way they are, and the least my so-called peers could do is not fucking shit it up by either being completely ambivalent or deluded.
>>2375632 Why do you want them to go away? Who do you think you're asking to leave? Again: this ain't just 4chan. The internet's fucked, and I don't have a choice because I don't live anywhere where I can market myself and build a following, or even get a job if I wanna go be a wageslave. Nevermind paying for fucking college and all that stupid shit.
I bet you think you're tuff stuff telling people off like that. Why don't all these fucking casuals buzz off? Why don't all these false personalities and thoughtless fucktards go away? Why do you want to garner a corrupt community that contents itself and thrives on mediocrity? Do you care that little for your craft?
These ideas aren't exclusive to /ic/ or 4chan. It's all over the goddamn internet, and it makes me gag. Everyone keeps saying that you can just go somewhere else, but you can't. All I've figured out so far as an artist is that I'm essentially on my own, because the people around me making the same kind of art as me don't give a shit about their futures and where their industry is headed.
I'll fuck off when I can move somewhere that isn't collectively creatively bankrupt, and hopefully there're jobs there and people that actually give a shit. >inb4 pipedreams You cynical fuckwits are the reason that any rise in the art industry will NOT be where I or any of you are living. You've got no dreams, no ambition, and no drive to be dedicated and fully committed to your passions.
>look guise, I wrote a thesis paper I should've just gone back to drawing. The stupid's rubbing off on me.
>>2376440 Let me guess, you are edgy 19 year old who wants to make living as mangaka, sad you don't live in japan where you could draw waifus for money. >who do you think you're asking to leave? Egomaniac, pls buzz off.
>>2376461 No you can make money drawing waifus anywhere.
I've already made my points, so please enlighten me, and lead me to the brown-and-bloom promised land of Marvel films and spehss mahreens.
I'd call you a pressumptuous dipshit, but I'd rather hear your very compelling argument that'll turn an edgy 19-year-old's world upside-down, who is obviously very sad that he doesn't live in China where he could draw waifus for money.
>>2376446 I'm worried you don't know why I'm retarded.
actually it has risen on the average since couple years ago. You still have a shitton of scrubs but there are fags that have raised their game since then. but you wouldn't know that since you started posting since summer when you were on school vacation
It's actually pretty good right now but it fluctuates based on who visits obviously. People also get better over time so you always have a bunch of people who are at least decent artists that give crits even if some of them leave.
Shitting on boards as being terrible is the most retarded meme ever. If you don't like it then why don't you fucking leave? The reality is you can't find a better community online where you can help eachother improve like here in beginner thread, draw thread and others, and discuss art and art industry.
There's a lot people here who suck at drawing and try to shit on everyone's parade. Luckily, those people are easy to avoid, but interesting to see how pathetic they are (like the guy spamming "blog?". I feel better about myself knowing I'm not that guy).
However, taking art animation classes at my college, taking CGMA and Schoolism, /ic/ has provided both the worst and best advice I've seen anywhere. Also, everywhere I go, people complain as to how to obtain more knowledge on their drawing studies. This isn't a problem here simply because the Book thread provides one of the best libraries on the net. There's even great feedback in regards to these books as well.
>>2376425 >You're either not very observant or a complete lunatic if you don't think that all communities on the internet, including this one, haven't seen better days regarding their communities.
The idea is that even in /ic/'s better days, it was still trash. Just because your used to trash doesn't mean that when it gets worse it wasn't already bad before. It's always been bad. /ic/ has always been terrible outside of the resource threads. That's the only good /ic/ has ever provided.
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