Without an art school its very hard to learn to draw. I am really, really poor and i have no one to teach me or anything like that. Because of that I dont make any progress, simply because i have wrong habits and it got into my head so hard that i struggle with the basics everyday. There are no people to tell me that its good or bad, so i just move on and now i am a retard.
You cant win if you are poor.
No, those times are long gone. In the past I would totally do that, but now i am dry and tired seeing how shit everything is. I was trying lately to do something but I simply cant. I have no one to teach me properly and I cant do it by myself only.
Funny thing that I almost dont hear at all about any artist achieving his success just by sitting at home.
a majority of artists are self thought.
You dont need someone to teach you.
You dont need to got to art school.
If you draw an hour everyday for 2 years, youll improve. If you draw an hour every 5 days for 10 years, you might not improve.
You're just looking for things to blame. Just go fucking draw.
I also don't hear at all about any artist achieving their success from being spoonfed all the time and not being resourceful with what they have access to, which in your case, is the fucking internet.
Depending on others won't get you anywhere near satisfactory, anon.
> Everytime I read or watch about some good artist I can see that he went to an art school.
You're not looking hard enough.
Then give me some fucking examples. Even if you manage to find one and im sure you will, what, its 1 person for every 1000 people? You are fucked, if you are poor and I dont understand why do you try to debate with the facts.
Here's some examples.
Cool to see there are people who could learn without attending to an art school... but i doubt they made it just by themselves. As I said, going alone will make you go into wrong habits just like playing piano and then it gets really,really bad. Maybe those people were extremely talented to get good enough, I dont know. Anyway thanks for that picture.
In this post ill assume our levels are higher than yours
Youre making assumptions, we have more expertise and deny said assumption, and you still want to make an assumption that negatively impacts you. Why?
Its quite rare for any of us to have any real big help from a specific source to be honest.
Practice a lot, ask for specific feedback and post your work. People will help you.
Anon, try harder please.
I'm kind poor too, but we got the internet :D and thoses "free" materials. Try be more self-disciplined as well. Keep posting your work here (/ic/ can be fucking usefull sometimes) and others places.
Lel, if you're this determined not to learn, then you wont. Plain and simple
you happen to have access to humanity's greatest collection of knowledge whenever you want, there are literally no excuses. Either draw or don't. I've been to art school and trust me, half the people there don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
Its their problem they went for something they dont understand. If you dont have a teacher, you will make mistakes like everyone else, but no one will correct you. Thats the point, moron.
Jesus Christ dude. It doesn't seem like you're able to even accept the fact that you can become good at something without needing formal education.
I can tell you right now that your mindset is not going to take you very far, but being self-taught is all about having the drive to push and challenge yourself to improve. There's no assignments or deadlines or teachers, it's just you. That's what makes it hard. If you want to become a professional by being self-taught, you can. Now either believe this or don't, I won't waste anymore time trying to convince you.
Art schools that should say.
When you've got some money together either when you're older or when your circumstances change I'd recommend a short life drawing class.
Other than that keep sketching people in the park or on the bus
There are usually free life drawing classes in big cities if you look hard enough .
Or life drawing/sketching clubs
This is true for the most part, although you can learn the basics by yourself. If that doesn't satisfy you, find another job to pay for a school or give up - there is no reason to keep yourself angry because you are too poor for something etc.
There is no good education without price, so I don't understand that rant OP. Of course you won't be able to get on the best level if you struggle to pay for bread, get over it by killing yourself, if you must.
drawing is literally pleb tier skill, because even poorest of people can excel in you fucking bitch.
In my backwards shithole country there's almost no good art schools or art culture for that matter, so I got myself a job and paid the fee to join the watts atelier, if you want there's also the cheaper Masters Academy.
Jesus anon, the opportunities are right there, stop being a fag. Seems like you enjoy thinking yourself into these "it's impossible!" scenarios.
There's only a limited number of decent art schools and most of them these days assume that you're clever enough to learn what you need to know autodidactically, just like how you'd keep developing your skills without handholding for decades after your graduation all the way into your grave. You've got the internet at your fingertips with shitloads of information with educational value, use it.
Your biggest problem is by far your attitude and not your wallet contents. In fact, there's no amount of money that could save you if you don't turn that shitty mindset around first.
Anyone who can't self teach at all is wasting their time and money going to an art school. If you're worthless going in with zero ability to be self critical and improve yourself, you'll probably be pretty shit coming out. There's only so much an instructor can do for someone.
If you're really stumped, go to a class or a life drawing session for a bit with an instructor, but don't sign up for an art college.
As for the people saying "all the free tutorials are shit" that sounds to me like they're trying to find any excuse they can to not try. There are books and videos available in threads ON THIS BOARD that are themselves or address all the staples of paid education.
The people who benefit most from art school are the ones that would succeed on their own, but would benefit further from a good mentor who can spot things they can't just yet. I've seen more than my share of third and fourth year art school student blogs that haven't learned a fucking thing.
>but i doubt they made it just by themselves.
They didn't, you retard.
They used the resources provided by others - countless books and tutorials, and critique forums - in addition to their own good sense.
Being self-taught doesn't mean you literally can't use any resource but yourself. It means not getting a formal education.
If you need a mentor to be one of the best, then who taught the first of the best?
Think about it.
This. Stephen Silver according to his own words life drew constantly at Zoos and Theme parks and so on and attended classes at Ateliers. Despite probably not paying much for his education he's now rich as fuck, having worked at almost every major studio, and has his own Atelier-style school. Being rich certainly isn't typical for an artist no matter how skilled but the point is you can do it without school and you'd be foolish not to at least try, especially if you're only in your late teens and early 20s. Being nearly 30 myself I have many regrets about how I've approached art, but one regret I don't have is not going to an art school too early without putting in savage hours of self-teaching and fucking up a good part of my entire life as consequence.
as much as i agree with what youre trying to convey, thats wrong. For example: If you need to be a taught to build a nuclear reactor then who taught the first guy? You can easily argue every iteration of teacher gets you better eventually reaching what we nowadays call great.
EVEN IF THIS IS WRONG.