Still learning to ignore what my brain wants to draw, and copy what I see by breaking it down into basic shapes. Not perfect, but getting better thanks to you all!
This is using the same reference, about a month apart after finally learning what symbol drawing was and practicing every day!
Lets see some progress!
I posted the slightly incomplete one in the last thread, but since I filled the December section I might as well.
So far this year I've been trying to do more figure drawing and imagination drawing since both those areas have been sorely neglected this year, but mostly in my sketchbook so far.
I really dig your latest stuff that I've seen on tumblr, especially the more painterly pieces.
Nosebro, would you fuck off? It seems like no matter what time I visit this board you're here shitposting and being a smug asshole who needs to keep his ego going. I don't think Nile's early stuff stands out as 'rigged' compared to lots of beginner digital art.
I feel like these progress threads are performance reviews. I only drew 3 things in december = did not meet expectations.
Feel free to shit on people using refs (if that's how you feel about it) when you've moved past it yourself. It feels pretty stupid to read shit like this when the only things you post yourself has been pretty bad and could really benefit from properly applying references. My guess would be you shun the use of reference because of some elitist concept you picked up from somewhere and even though your own work suffer from it, you try to get others to follow your thinking.
Then explain to me why people from this thread all praised me for my progress?
You guys on the other hand are just a bunch of trolls.
thanks bruv, but I have no real secret. Draw regularly, try and experiment now and then, and compare your stuff regularly to your old stuff. In my experience how confident I feel on any given day is a big contributor to how well I do. Looking back on earlier art is nice for a bit of a confidence boost usually.
Mostly drew. I watched tutorials and flipped through books, but I was never too studious with them. I think the only books I spent longer than a few minutes on was a little bit of Loomis and Perspective Made Easy (though I don't have much to show for the latter because I rarely do perspective exercises).
I want to be better with reading more this year, though. I've picked up some Bridgman that I'm working through and stuff. I'd say a lot of my more amateurish mistakes are because I haven't been reading many books, I'm kind of just figuring out my problem areas as I notice them or they start to bother me.
>Do not speak ill of my friends.
Oh fuck me.
It doesn't hurt that all the ones calling you shit get hidden by the website. Of course Reddit is going to be more positive than 4chan, for fucks sake, the system revolves around saying uncontroversial things and not rocking the boat.
You're taking yourself (and others) too seriously.
Draw what you like to draw, take things /ic/ says with a grain of salt, especially regarding anime (particularly really generic looking anime). And take things reddit says with a heap of salt, while you're at it. If you just reduce anyone who praises you as genuine and anyone who criticizes you as a troll you're gonna be stuck in your own little world.
>were you struck by talent suddenly?
I'm still waiting for the talent-bolt sadly. I'm probably like a lot of other people and just started getting the hang of observational drawing, doing more studies and stuff like that. That was around the time I was starting to figure out value and painting a bit better too, starting in July.
My imagination stuff is still quite weak, though. I did a few in 2015 but most of my better stuff was studies. Lately I've been trying to wean myself off of reference a little and doing a little more stuff from imagination, or at least using reference more sparingly.
2007-2012: just a oblivious weeb kid who draws for fun
2013-2014: realized that there's no fucking way I can do this for a living and that I'm wasting my time. considered giving it up for a more relevant hobby, like coding.
2016: i can't code for shit
Now you can enjoy all my dirty edges - if any anon knows how to get rid of them let me know
Well the good news is that you can draw appealing expressions and hair.
Though your clothes folds (especially pants) need more work. It needs to wrap around the thigh.
Give it to me straight, did I make significant progress or nah?
You know, I'm the guy who is like 8 years older than you and started to draw last week, so my opinion might not be valuable, but there's definietly a progress between 2014 and 2015 and I see that in 2016 you focused on values/shading. I like the robotic leg from this year and that gesture study, it's elegant. I can see you maturing with your art and getting better as the time comes by. Also I guess you started drawing faster?
That's a relief then..
Well I cannot say I've been trying my hardest, so hopefully that'll change in following years.
Thanks mate, I guess I draw faster when I draw regularly, I notice that when I come back to drawing after a long time of slacking off, I have trouble doing things I did easily when I drew everyday, speed comes from habit I suppose.
I can tell you haven't done much with internal anatomy, and it really shows on the way the clothes are glued to the body. You only have a vague idea what's going on underneath.
Perspective is important as well so you can take charge of your shapes, make them do what you want to do, rather than be stuck in a generic boring pose to make things look halfway decent.
Guy... Get to doing some anatomy, perspective, and such. You've pushed symbol drawing to the absolute maximum but you aren't going to go any further with it but polish. Sure, your pic is aesthetically pleasing, good enough to fool people who don't do art seriously, but you need to buckle down and learn if you hope to be anywhere decent by the end of this decade.
bro, i never same fag. i got a reputation to save.
You can honestly basically assume anytime my name is there theres no samefagging happening.
Fucking reddit lel
>come to this thread thinking I'll find good and new advice on how to get better gains or improvements faster
>see people going from where I was when I was age 9 far past where I'm at with age 22
>they're doing it in in less than a couple years
I seriously enjoy drawing so much less when I realize my learning rate is borderline retarded in comparison.
It doesn't because their results show regardless of embellishing.
I seriously think I may be autistic and I'm just a savant at not seeming autistic.
What's your situation anon?
>How often do you draw?
>How long would you spend drawing at a time?
>How often do you study the fundamentals?
>How much work is based on reference and what are you actually learning from drawing to drawing?
>pic related are things I've done of a computer exclusively 1/2
20-120 minutes a day since age 20
pencil sketches for figures and landscapes are usually less than 30 minutes a page - completely filled.
I probably sound stupid but "fundamentals" is not only ambiguous but also subjective
only 30% is reference, and many days I'll just draw stupid stuff without reference or copy from my books.
I think it's great that you're spending so much time practising a day but to be frank you're wasting you're time if you continue approaching it like this.
They're called fundamentals for a reason. If you wanna be a good artist they are absolutely essential.
Based on what you've told me and the drawing you've shared it's really clear that your lack of fundamentals is really holding you back.
It's not enough to draw things from your head all the time and expect your skills to improve, your process becomes "inbred" and you pick up more and more bad habits.
Next time you sit down to draw, hold an object in your hand and look only at that object.
Draw the object without lifting your pencil from your page, only look at the page when you're finished.
Keep doing blind drawings until you have a better understanding of how different areas of an object relate to eachother, your life drawings will very quickly begin to improve.
And do a bunch of theme. Not just one or two. Be prepared to draw a lot of shit. Don't be too precious about it. Waste as much paper as you need.
>pic related roughly how a semi-sucessful blind drawing should look
Eventually you'll get better at blind drawing because you'll understand the relationship between positive and negative space, so then you'll be able to draw things you see in fine liners without it looking too squished/disproportioned (and without having to rely on dark/sketchy marks to disguise bad line placement)
I learned how to do these two things in under 2 months, I'm no expert by any means but it's a pretty fuckin big help.
Moral of the stroy is fundamentals are really really important and you'll improve so much faster once you at least understand the basics.
Internet mate, it's pretty useful
>Sketchy linework is the result of sloppy line placement
aaaand my mind is blown, not even joking.
>internet mate, its pretty useful
no amount of information is useful if you don't know what you need to learn.
Looks like I'm going to have to completely relearn drawing. Thanks for the back and forth.
No no if you're working with layers sketchy lines can be helpful, but if you're working on paper and most of your lines are just a mass of scribbles where lines should be it usually means you had no idea where to put the line in the first place
>no amount of information is useful if you don't know what you need to learn.
How about you start with the links on the sticky? >>1579290
Don't be discouraged anon, you're clearly quite creative, but maybe you'll benefit from taking a different approach to drawing.
How's my first attempt with acrylics? Think I can work towards a career in game design or art?
Anatomy and construction
Light and value
Hmm looks like the only thing I've been getting better at is constructing. I thought that sticky guide was going to be the same stuff I've already heard until I found the above list.
I actually rather like the nose and hair on the new one compared to the old. The hands are definitely better too. I even like the way the jellyfish lights her shirt up on the right one. I'd say definitely an improvement.
Definitely progress comparing first row to just about everything else, I think my favorites are that arm and the self portrait in terms of technical ability. I also like how some of them are so stylistically different.
fundamentals are NOT ambiguous or subjective. they are clear skills that you have to learn if you want to get good. it's clear you haven't given enough time even learning what they are. you NEED to spend the time learning these an you will see a lot of fast progress in your work. if you really have nothing but time on your hands, you should work to be putting a minimum of 2 hours a day and move up from there
Now that I know for certain what they are, I'm not so frustrated.
I still feel a little dumb that I've put so much effort into something with no clear objective in mind. An art school [digipen] told me they respected my discipline but my structure was shaky, now I kind of understand what they meant.
This has been a load of help. I owe you /ic/
Why do you all have guidelines and full circles showing?
when the people
that are not nice come
and say things
and , we did the lines and
DONT BO(ther!! get it wrong! fuck these people !!! seriously!!! itsonly so you can all be told off , that's all it's for
get it wrong! go on!
I can't really think of a specific thing, since I was trying a lot of little things as I went, but that was around the time I'd decided to work on getting better at value and using it to show form. I also started realizing it was easy to fix many problems by just keeping things in one or two layers and painting over, rather than using a ton of layers and trying to be too precise. It made me a little less wary of making mistakes and I stopped scrapping my bad drawings so much because I felt more assured that I could fix them over time.
>My art is good! REDDIT says so! Respect me!
I wasn't gonna pick on you, but since you insist on being a faggot, here's a nice reality check.
You're not good m8. You're just an upvote slut who let the attention get to your head.
90% of this and a basic chalk brush for the textures
let me enlighten you kids
when you have your brush selected and the maintool bar is displayed(opacity and flow at certain percentages). ok, when you turn on transfer and set opacity and flow to pen pressure. this is what photoshop is doing.
What ever your Opacity and flow is set to on your maintool bar. Transfer will vary the flow and opacity percentages if say you have it set to 50% opacity and 70% flow. it wont go further than those and only inbetween, so youre jittering the opacity and flow percentages at the same rate when its basically painting like opacity. no wonder your shit looks digusting. paint with one or the other, not both.
are we comparing reddit dick sizes? cause i think i win.
but reddit is pretty terrible compared to /ic/. if you get a successful post it's just a bunch of "great job"s and a few "anything for sale?" or "prints?" that never actually lead to you selling anything. at least in my experience.
yesterday the top post in the art section was a drawing of david bowie someone did on a post-it note in mechanical pencil. so... that kind of says it all doesn't it?
embarrassing starts desu, didnt even know it was possible t o improve when you start that way. Most people just end up plateauing at that level for some reason.
ive actually been looking for the reason for quite some time and have done a lot of make-shift research into the people who draw like image 0,0 and 0,-1
do you have any idea how you escaped that style? Any tips on how to stop drawing like that ( i call it crutch-style btw). I'm legitimately VERY unironically invested in your response.
i dont shun references, i do my references and will never post something i reffed on. I shun using an old, bad, cherry picked work and compare it to your new best referenced work.
I wish I hadn't torn up my sketch book when I was younger... I was making some progress (still garbage but I was getting shading down).
You Anons give me hope, the amount you improve is amazing!
And at 21. At least I'm not fumbling about like I used to.
Is it just physically impossible for you to make a post that isn't fucking retarded?
You're a full-on bad, yet half the time you feel the need to try to advise people on drawing anyway. Just shut the fuck up, go to the beginner thread, and don't come back for another 6 months.
He is saying that what you have set for opacity and flow on the main, top bar (that's where it is in photoshop, at least) is the maximum that pen pressure will go to. So if you have opacity and flow at 50%, you will never go above 50% no matter how hard you press.
I really don't know to be honest, there isn't really a -single- event but triggered it but just happened over time, discovering 4chan and in turn /ic/ compounded with the depression and disappointment from school together with the burning desire to git gud, draw nice things and not be a blazing fagget, I suppose.
noted, I notice a lot of people within that level tend to not accept criticism, reference very hard from other work and making slight changes ( such as color). Did you do any of these, or something else peculiar before or after the style. Or maybe changed a habit within the time span that you left crutch style?
you're not bad, its just theres no fucking time scale, the styles are difference, the right one uses different gimmicks. Was there improvement: probably. Was it big, not really.
I used it for practice. It really helped me a lot on different facial expressions and the like. Unfortunately all last year I couldn't really get art done because of the job I had out on the road, so that's the one I posted because it was most comparable to the earlier self portrait.
some people around that time told me "don't copy others, you will only learn from their mistakes", so I stuck to that until recently that I realized I could actually learn some things from looking at how others drew. I think the desire to git gud pushed me out of it more than anything, to be honest. i'm nowhere near where i would want to be yet, but i am trying my best
i focused on arms/legs alot more, i'll pay more attention to those. thank you
Started drawing a little over a month
am i hopeless or is there some improvement?
two paintings of the same girl, 3 years difference
wait wtf, why are you responding in my place ?
thank you. depends if I'm tired at the end of the day if not I can slide in an hour before sleep, I don't draw most of the week days though, but i'll put in at least 3h-4h a day in the week ends. I'm on full blast durring holydays and that's when I really feel my progress.
ive known her much longer than 3 years. i haven't stopped wanting to have sex with her until recently, but i'd still like to do a nude painting of her I'm sure her body would translate into a great painting ( I'm still probably not good enough to do it justice so maybe in a few years)
Awesome pic. Great size. Your lines look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight your lines can get. Thanks for the motivation.
... I know it's still pretty bad, my proportions need work and I'm kind of neglecting the forms during the shading process but I feel like I made progress, right? I'm not really sure how much to expect from drawing seriously for a month or two
I was being sort of sincere, there is some improvement in line quality and a bit more thought given to values. It's noticeable improvement assuming you spent the same amount of time on each and aren't cherry picking, just do it 10x longer and youll really start to notice
I didn't think it was meant to be a compliment, but given my intention for that month was to become better at drawing from reference, saying I am closer to a photocopier suggests I succeeded, regardless of how pejoratively their intention.
Drawing from reference requires you to be able to dismantle what you see into basic forms, simple shapes, and proportions. If that person honestly believes that a person is learning nothing from such efforts, they probably don't understand how learning works. The movements, pencil control, muscle memory, proportioning, visualization and other skills necessary for drawing from reference easily translates into other areas of art.
Its not creative, but it wasn't suppose to be.
my progress was limited because of my hand eye coordination..i cannot draw on Gtablets without screens on them xD but i did say was :) heres a before image, and soon an after one, and yes i realise this image is utterly horrible
>this is the type of stuff they do in modern art schools,
>just throwing whole photos from a magazine on top of canvas and painting a poor landscape around it
>pay thousands to learn what you did in preschool
This makes me want to get angry, furious, but I cannot find the strength to do so under such massive disappointment.
Here's some of my progress. Should really work more and hang out on the internets less, lol
I still have no idea how to combine WEEB faces and rendered bodies.
I don't like gaijin cartoonish faces like Sakimiprinz and the reast of DA top guys, i'm trying to go like Pixiv giys do but i'm not feeling it yet.
muscley children in jumpsuits stomping through cities? it's definitely not good taste. seems like he learned one thing to draw and now he's scared of doing something different. the guy doesn't have a fanbase it's not even like he's pandering to success he's just drawing ugly shit and pretending it's working.
>don't get to draw giant fit qt lolis at work lol
I do. Well not fit like yours but I'll get there someday.
Top isn't the same character but similar enough I guess.
that feel when you can't distinguish any change in the past 4 years.
>that feel when someone says you've gotten better but you can't see it yourself
Seeing all this progress makes me ashamed I wasted my December and January break on Video games. I haven't drawn in months.
I need to get back into it and improve my art.
Want to be a Concept Artist one day.
you should seriously consider storing those away or even selling them . if you want any chance of getting pro you can't waste that much time, and from the sound of it, you can't work with it in moderation
That cheek was bothering the hell out of my autism
Could have done a million worthwhile things with my life. Instead I spent 3 years learning how to paint pictures on a computer. Just fucking lol.
Between one and three hours on average, I suppose. I have days where I don't practice at all and days where I go like six hours, but I try to at least do a drawing a day as an ideal.
Btw, in 3 years you could have learned few programming languages, machine learning and become data analyst working on how to help people with cervical cancer or work on something like human genome project. Also earn top bucks for most of it and do competitions for fun (and potential big profit):
Alright, got a lot of shit for doing this but whatever. I basically started studying the muscles of the body through various online medical websites, or ecorchés. I basically kept drawing ecorchés until I learned all the muscle placements, where every muscle connects on what bones etc, even the deep layers.
Then I started looking at live models or various pics from life, and ONLY looking, never drew from them directly. basically, I hid the pics, and tried to reproduce the pose with the knowledge of muscle placements I aquired before, starting with the skeleton, then the muscles and eventually the skin. as of today, the only big studies I did from pics are those unfinished statue and woman. result is I can draw every pose from imagination, maybe not the most realistic or "traditional" but the semi realistic style was what I wanted to achieve anyway so it fits me perfectly.
that's a pretty shitty way to look at it. I also quit pursuing becoming a professional illustrator after a few years, but I find the skills a learned valuable for all creative things as illustration encompasses a bit of everything. it's a useful tool and a fun hobby even if you decide to pursue a different field. I actually just started learning how to code and in a week I learned a shit ton more than when I was a kid bashing my head against programming books with 0 results. I find learning one skill on your own helps you learn how to learn a lot.
a-atleast I'm getting more patient this year
I'm just trying to make him feel bad, shush. Are you really expecting me not to shit on him or rub salt into his wounds when I have a chance? Don't deprive me of that pleasure! What's the point of being sensible and telling him "hey, I do art to be more creative and as a hobby and I think it helps my engineering designs that I do, so don't self-flagellate without a reason! Things that you have learned will not go to waste!"
I mean, that would be just awful. I can't do that, I have to tell him that his composition and construction is awful and should gb2loomis before trying to render this piece of shit that he calls his art.
Yeah but I quit after 3 weeks lol. Don't see myself ever living the normie life, I've grown addicted to learning and 'making' things. I can get by atm from some sources of passive income and the ocassional freelance gig. The gained time from not working a dayjob is just so much more valuable to me.
That's funny, I sense a pattern here. Currently also learning python. In the long run I'd love to end up working part time as a developer while doing my own stuff on the side.
nice. I think we quit around the same time, but I'm still doing interviews for normie jobs. I'm hoping when I land one it boosts me a bit like it did for you, but I never landed any freelance gigs. probably stuck doing shit jobs forever