Wait, so someone to the level of him/her https://www.patreon.com/mistiqarts?ty=h (not trying to witch hunt or anything, I'm not even juding, it's just an example) gets 500 bucks per month thanks to that website?
Are there a lot of people over /ic/ using it? It just seems way too easy.
>>2337741 >>2337757 >>2337762 I feel like I never see anyone looking to pay for yaoi though. I see plenty of people asking about regular porn or fetish porn, but usually still involving females or at least futa.
>>2337731 Because I'm not about to make a living drawing shit I don't care about? I'd rather drop art and go full time at my current job than pander to people who don't even like the same shit I do. It's not fulfilling.
>>2337782 Well, in that case, you are an idiot with zero foresight. Sakimichan makes more money in a month than you make in a year with your job. She can do her fanart pandering for a couple more years and will never have to worry about money for the rest of her life.
Also you are no artist in the first place if you only consider drawing specific subject matters to be fun and you absolutely hate drawing when it's not something you have a personal interest in.
You don't need to be good. Just be slightly above average. All you need to do to make mad dosh, is to draw hentai of popular characters like Pokemon, Sonic, Disney and Nintendo crap. As long as you don't draw like a 8 year old autistic fag, you won't have any problems finding a fanbase willing to give you thousands of dollars for you to pump out average cartoon porn for them to fap to.
That's how hacks like the artist posted by OP get so much dosh from basement dwellers
She's dead as an artist, she no longer experiments and always only does the similar busts or half body of some popular character. She makes a killing and more than anyone here, and probably loves every minute of it. That way's not for me though.
The problem here is that /ic/ pathetically tries to feel better by saying you only need to draw better than "a 8 years old autistic fag".
Do you really think that if there was a magic formula to make money everyone would be struggling so much?
Also, /ic/ got no real sense of style, of what really makes the public throw their money at your face, it may sound easy when you think "ok, it's a lot of glow, bright and vivid colors", but it's much more than that, it's not that easy to develop such a catchy style for the mainstream public.
>>2338387 >Do you really think that if there was a magic formula to make money everyone would be struggling so much? He's not exactly wrong though, if you're really needy for money, even really bad furry art can get you a good amount of living money.
>>2338380 >She's dead as an artist, she no longer experiments
She's in her fucking 20s. She's got all her life to experiment and be as artsy fartsy as she wants to be. If you had the option to make millions of $ this early on in your career and have financial security for the rest of your life, but instead you decided to "experiement" and be true to whatever arbitrary ideals you hold dear, you'd be fucking brain damaged.
>>2338390 Correct. Seemingly especially with furry art, the standard is really low. Seriously, practice figures for 3-4 months starting from nothing, spend another month or two on learning values and basic color theory, and you can start taking furry commissions. Won't make a living in 4-6 months, but you can go from not making money to making some money on drawing. Gotta be willing to draw fursonas, though. Often having weird kinds of sex.
That said, if we're talking "mad dosh," you have to be good. I don't know if it's envy exactly, but there's certainly something that makes some people on /ic/ think that the really popular Patreon artists aren't good.
Remember that one saki thread where people were challenged to do a sakimichan tier painting? 90% of the thread was buttmad whining and excuses, and the people that actually tried were not on her level.
>>2338486 >gaining money with registered/patented characters and imagery could be copyright violation.
Why are so many idiots too dumb to understand how copyright laws and patreon work?
Fanartists don't sell a product on Patreon. They get donations from fans of their work. If Sakimichan was selling, say t-shirt prints with Disney characters on it, she would get sued. If she paints fanart of Disney characters that people enjoy and as a result of that, they decide to support her on patreon, there is no legal ground, nor reason to sue her for. Everything she does is basically free marketing for them with zero negative side effects.
It's almost as if you're comparing people doing a completely different style from their own with people who've been doing their style from years and years. Even Loomis masters would not get it right on their first time, Think for once you dumb shits.
>>2338516 First of all, it's not like the people from that thread did anything decent by any standards. The least of their problem was that they didn't nail Sakimi's style. They simply couldn't draw or render for shit.
Secondly, if your Loomis studies actually taught you anything of value, you should easily be able to apply them in that situation. Sakimi doesn't use some elaborate, crazy style. It's just semi realistic figures with simplified anatomy and animu eyes. If you can't do that, your Loomis studies didn't teach you anything at all.
I understand, you're young or bitter, or both, and feel emotionally justified instead of researching a bit to find the many, many people who created their best work long past their supposedly glorious early twenties.
>>2338591 No, he's right. At one point Sakimichan made well over 60.000$ per month. There have been changes to patreon, lots of dead patron accounts got removed etc. Everyone now looks like they make 10-20% less money than before, but in reality the old numbers were just inflated.
>>2338600 Out of curiousity, do you have some kind of mental problems or are you just lazy? Because it's definitely not normal to stop improving in your 20s when you have just started to scratch the surface of the things you have yet to master.
How much of an effect does it have that Sakimichan is a girl? I'm just wondering if her friendly, cute personality helps fans feel nice and if she would be as successful if she were a bland, boring dude.
>>2338608 Most pros end up plateauing at some point or another. Usually in their late 20's or in their 30's. How many people genuinely keep improving for life? The ones that do become the top of the industry, people like Mullins. They are the exception, not the norm.
>>2338619 Are they bland and boring in personality? I wouldn't know.
>>2338621 Yeah, I'm not saying it makes or breaks her art at all. You sure about 30% though? That's really a lot. >act all goody and silly, general public like when guys act like a retard Yeah I'm not doing that.
I'm boring as fuck, I really hope I don't have to fake some personality to get attention as an artist.
It's pretty common to see artists become really good in a relatively short time (considering the life spam of a healthy person), like 5 to 7 years, but then keep more or less in the same level for the rest of their lives.
Most pros seemingly plateau at the point where they are very competent at the fundamentals and everything beyond it is mostly fine-tuning and a matter of taste. However they never enter a mindset where they think they have nothing left to learn. Many noobs like you can simply no longer recognize improvement when it's only on very small scale so they start thinking these artists don't improve at all anymore.
However I was not talking about most pros, I'm talking about you. Do YOU think there is nothing left that you could get better at?
>>2338626 I'm obviously not sure about this 30%, it's impossible to measure that. Let's say it helps a bit, but no matter how charismatic you are, you'll never make it without a decent art (unless you try becoming a youtuber or something).
I would say, focus in your style, because that's what attracts your public, study what they like and improve your art to give them what they want in the best way you can.
You are not doing what you want. You are doing what others want you to do. And you are doing porn that has no other purpose than to give people reason to fap.
People who won't value you as an artist and the work you do. They will care only about the pron, it doesn't matter how good the illustration is, how much effort or little effort you put in the work you do.
Just look at Shadman "art". Terrible artist, awful illustration/pron. Has a huge fanbase because he draws well known characters sucking dicks.
>>2338643 >You are not doing what you want. You are doing what others want you to do.
So, like every person who is employed and works for a living? I swear, some of you people sound like you have never worked a day in your life and don't plan on ever doing it either.
There is no difference between Sakimichan doing whatever fanart shit for her audience and Jaime Jones, Mullins, Ruanjia etc doing work for video game studios. I think you might just hate the idea of working for a living and of being a professional artist in general.
>>2338643 >Shadman This guy makes like 1,7k per month, just compare to Sakimichan and see the difference a better art can make.
If someone could deliver an even better version of what Sakimichan does, this person could take her spot or at least make some serious money.
Anyway, yes, you can successful enough and make a living off your porn without much effort, just being smart enough to deliver what they want, but you'll never make like 10K per month with truly bad art.
>>2338643 >You are not doing what you want. You are doing what others want you to do.
It's called being a professional and it's how you secure an income with your craft. You use your skills as a service that people are willing to exchange money for.
The fact that Sakimichan probably has all the money she could ever need right now and still does it, and the fact that she was doing it before she was getting paid tens of thousands of dollars a month, suggests she enjoys it well enough anyhow. She could no doubt quit any time she liked and coast for the rest of her life on her savings if she was unhappy with the situation. It's a win-win for her and people get butthurt over it because life's not fair.
>>2338651 >There is no difference between Sakimichan doing whatever fanart shit for her audience and Jaime Jones, Mullins, Ruanjia etc doing work for video game studios.
I agree with everything you said except this. Those artists are paid to make art for someone else, but they at least get to do some of their own ideas, and their job is obviously more fulfilling than Sakimi churning out what is basically the same pinup over and over. I still don't fault her for it though, I might do the same if I saw the opportunity.
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