Beginner Thread #44

>>1940460
Wow a lot of participents this week

can you explain how do I paint like this? >>1939817
I just don't understand how to group values and use the brushes ;_;

oh god the version I only got to work on for an hour is in there (。_ 。)

>>1940460
Alright, let's get a new study going.

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>>1940483

you all suck give up

>>1940484
no way thats gay.

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Missed the last thread by half an hour.

So much still to learn.

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>>1940491

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Doing some refrenceless drawings without any "Guidance" line
Only thing thats clearly wrong to me is the crotch is to high

any comment on that?
>>1940300

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>>1940484
here's my attempt.

>>1940491
darling please

>>1940503
Every person is different, some may have longer legs than others, while others may have different proportions all together. Granted, you want to get it as "humanly possible" to the diagram you are studying, but in the end each person is different.

>>1940543
Yeah I know, once I was at the pools I saw this guy that was like 50% torso and said that guy doesnt know how to do anatomy at all
But this was just trying to be a generic human...with big tits
Would you say this is acceptable?
Some other people say that I should draw a thinner waistline

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>>1940551
To determined when you can exaggerate feature, you first need to fully understand the anatomy behind the body. I know I sound like a broken record by saying this cause others state this as well, but you need to understand HOW important that is.

The reason why, is when you're watching a cartoon or animu, once you have a really strong idea as how real life anatomy works, you can understand how they go about breaking or exaggerating features. This also goes for fat people at the pool.

>>1940491
agreed
>>1940498
>implying loomis isn't autistic

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>>1940484
25 mins

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I'd like to achieve different colors of shading, but I'm wondering how much can be done with just a #2 pencil?

Will I be able to at least get a decent amount of shading to mimic pic related, or will I need a specific set of pencils to tackle such a drawing?

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So this is my first time posting here. I've not been sketching regularly for about two years and I was only satisfied with any work from late in that period. I'm currently dipping in and out of the Sticky. So... feedback I guess

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fucked up the proportions of the lower legs entirely so i gave up on rendering

>>1940647
shouldnt have. It looks correct.

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>>1940460
>spend hours on drawing in left using a reference
>spend no more than couple of minutes on drawing on right out of memory
>drawing on right still looks more aesthetically pleasant to look at regardless of how crap both are

whats the point

>>1940693

You use what you've learned from the left to help you with your drawing on the right. What's so hard to comprehend.

>>1940695
but what if i drew anime all day everyday

>>1940699

So long as you're doing studies and working on your fundamentals as well it's okay. Don't JUST doodle big eyes kawaii monsters that look like some irradiated abortions cause it's the same as just drawing sonicchu all day. You won't get any better, you'll just be able to draw sonicchu faster at the best.

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>>1940484
ok i give up
i promise i will use only hard brush next time.

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What I'm working on now

>>1940693
Do both
Studying from life and reference is hard now but it'll pay off, for many reasons e.g. you'll have a bigger visual library to work off of, you'll improve your technique, etc
Don't give up

>>1940647
This is awesome, you shouldn't have given up!

>>1940594
Maybe this is a personal thing, but try shading with crosshatches and lines instead of blurring them with your fingertip or whatever. Or maybe go over your lines again after blurring, cuz right now it kinda feels like it's in a haze

I'm going through the books, like you guys. But, I'm wondering if I want to draw like a comicbook artist, where to I start? Study my favourite artists? What else?

(How can I make sure I retain what I know)

>>1940757
Very nice! I proportions look on point.

>>1940757
Looking good. You've omitted a plane change on the outside edge of the upper eyelid, and you've also made the irises too big altering the perceived gaze direction.

I'd consider introducing a darker background to make it easier to check your values against the ref.

Shoeface, you still there?

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Now what?

>>1940953
You have the instructions right in the filename, dude. Get to it.

>>1940953
circle is too small.

>>1940953
She looks like an older A~chan from Perfume.

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>>1940953
Do this but less awful than me

Is there an efficient way to get better at placing things in space at the right size and location from reference? Just the basics of drawing the arms and legs in the right positions is causing me trouble right now and I'd like to get better at it. I know I'll naturally improve over time, but I'd really like to focus grind on it for a while.

>>1941058
Pin-point joints, hands, and feet and connect the dots; making sure to get angles right.

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Been studying some colours today
If I wanted to have a close portrait and I wanted the most important part to be the eyes then the eyes should be the opposite colour to the main focus right?

>>1941208
Check your values. That looks like a terribly bland color choice.

>>1941208
yep, but it doesn't need to be the exact opposite (or compliment more correctly) using true compliments can make a picture look garish, so a 'near compliment' is normally nicer. an example would be using yellow and blue instead of yellow and purple.

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>>1941212
>>1941214
So ranging between Oragne and blonde would be a pop out for blue?
I should learn my brushes and how to blend colours well

>>1941216
You don't even have to use blue for blue eyes. If all of the surrounding colors are a warm orange, using a grayed orange will look blue by comparison.

>>1941208
this is not how you study color

>>1941271
Then how do you study it

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Are these proper gestures?
Done each in a minute

>>1940757
May I ask how you achieve the blocky shading?

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Did this, the main focus was perspective and shading

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>>1940484
Theres mine~ I really want to do feverworm kinda colouring but then my anatomy is bad too :/

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>>1940460
following my own advice from last thread on proportion and done a bit of bargue

Should I do thousands of still lifes to get form and perspective down before I even attempt organics?

>>1941402
Do both. It's true you need to learn proper form by drawing simple shapes first, but you could dabble into a figure study like the one above and see where you weaknesses are.

>>1941390
Anatomy/proportions/gesture/form and very much else is wrong with the characters. You should go through the guide in the sticky

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more gestures 30 secs

>>1941398
u doing the cutout method niogga ? me too. It makes things more percise but i think it dosent teach much besides spotting angles.

>>1941349
Are these proper gestures?

Before you ask us, ask yourself this

Did I capture what the model was doing? Can I see the basic movement and pose of the model from these simple lines?

if so, you've done a gesture, it might be stiff as fuck, but if you've got the basic idea of the model's pose down, that's gesture baby.

If not, then what you have is a lifeless stick figure or otherwise lacking in information or rhythm to the point that the movement and pose of the model is not apparent within the first few seconds of looking at it.

There is no rigid way to approach it, some ways are better than others, sure, but as long as the pose and movement of the thing is captured, it's gesture.

But anyway, critiques.

In most of these you are tickling the nipple of gesture, but your use of rigid lines breaks the rhythm of the poses and loses it. Try to use long, fluid strokes, fucking scribble fast and loose if you have to, but get rid of those fucking short angular lines. Straight lines should be used sparingly as best when doing gesture.

On the upside, you are simplifying down well enough, you've gotten past the weird "gotta copy the contour and call it gesture" stage and that's great.

Keep on practicing it, you're getting there.

>>1941415
Yeah I think you're right.
I tried measuring length into width and vice versa, then making a rectangular box then measuring horizontals and verticals and it was just too much for me. It's way too technical and I don't seem to get much result out of it, plus my hands are visibly shaking when I extend to measure.

Measuring by diagonals and negative space seems a bit easier for now, I just put a horizontal and vertical line on specific points and use diagonals while using the "crosshair" as an achor. I'll try the first approach again next time though, but it's seriously stressful.

>>1940771
Anyone?

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Can I get some input on my proportions? This is going to be my first attempt on painting an organic but I want to make sure my base is solid before painting. I bought a wacom for new years and I haven't drawn since high school art which is like 6 years for me now so any input is appreciated

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pic unrelated: Quick 1/2 hour vent doodle, not much to look at.

Currently trying to get into caricature portraits, would anyone know any good tutorials/resources that focus on picking out the prominent features of a face that need to be in said portrait?

That seems to be my hardest issue so far, can't seem to make my portraits recognizable because I keep leaving out important features.

>>1941350
I second this question.

>>1941349
Get rid of your chicken scratching and try less straight lines. Capture movement. Possibly do it traditionally, pen and paper.

To answer your question, I don't consider them proper gestures as they're really stiff. The pose isn't really evident from your drawings.

>>1941443
Your proportions don't seem all that good. Go watch some lessons on measuring and remember most people have problems in that area. Hell, I do myself.

>Dry to draw
>Get my jimmies rustled because I'm shit and stop
>Repeat the next day

help me

>>1941572
Huh?

>>1941577
What have you study thus far?

>>1941597
I've only really looked at FWAP, Keys to Drawing and Drawing on the right side of the brain so far in the few weeks since I've started. I've mostly looked at FWAP but I really dislike how Loomis has written and illustrated things.

>>1941605
Have you finished drawing right side of the brain? If not, why not do the exercises? You don't have to read the entire book, just read up why the exercises are helpful (which are stated before the exercise), and then attempt them.

If it looks like shit, draw it again. If it still looks like shit, attempt again, and again, and again. Be sure to complete them, don't finish half way and say "it's shit" or you'll never fully understand what's wrong. Finish the drawing, then call it shit.

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Update. A few glaring problems that I see but I'm gonna move forward for now and work on something else. Will come back to this later in the week

>>1941350
>>1941477
I just use the default hard round brush with flow pressure on. I block in rough values using a mixture of selecting shades from the colour wheel and using the eyedropper tool.

>>1941616
Haven't finished it yet, no. I have a problem with pulling myself together to finish books sometimes. But I'll do the exercises at least, as I'm fairly aware of the benefits of exercises. I guess I'm just a bit too impatient and want to draw things from mind and want it to look good now rather than later.
But thanks though, guess I'll doodle poorly until I'm done and try to improve. Hopefully I'll be able to make myself not get as buttblasted.

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some box perspective practice using grids

>>1941640
What exactly do you want to draw? From time to time get back to what you like drawing then back to your exercises. In this case, you can easily see yourself improve as the weeks go by.

>>1941661
Typically just whatever strikes my fancy, or what the lady tells me to. But thanks, I'll keep it in mind.

>>1941443
A few points:

First, stop drawing things that aren't there in the ref. I'm looking at those bushy eyebrows and eyelashes in particular, but it applies everywhere. Unless you have a wealth of experience, don't add things that you don't actually see, and you'll achieve much better results. When people here like to shout "symbol drawing", this is what they're talking about. You're introducing details based on your real-world knowledge (eyebrows are made up of a bunch of little hairs). The problem is that unless you're super close to someone's eye, you never actually see that many strands, if any at all.

If detail distracts you, learn to squint at your reference to cut down on some textural and value noise, and paint that. You can read more on that in Schmid's Ala Prima. Take a look at master portrait painters (Sargent is always a great example), and you'll see that they're never defining eyebrows as strands, but as blocks of value with varying edges.

Second, you should incorporate 2D measuring techniques to get your proportions right. When drawing from a model, it is the most accurate and fastest way to get proportions correct. I'm talking here about visual measuring. Look into how to study Bargue plates in Bargue and Gerome Drawing Course. Check out this video as well for some other techniques:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hakaoQ9L1RM

Once you have your 2D base in place, whether you end up with blocky shapes or landmark points, you can use that to then guide your 3D construction of the head. You can also use your knowledge of 3D forms to have your values and brush strokes better convey the form. To that end, you need to slap down the hair asap, as it will help you with all of your measurements. I don't think that trying to draw the bald head from a model would be very useful at your current level. Focus on things that get you to observe more accurately, and things that make that job easier.

>>1941669
Draw what you want, and see what's wrong. Problem is, at your level it's difficult to see what's wrong so keep those failed images for later.

After you're done with Right Side of Brain, you'll be educated enough to look at your work and say "I drew X wrong, so I should study X" and so on, even if it's something as bold as "I drew the Face wrong, so I should study the Face".

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Who enjoys hastily drawn naked women?

Also I'm getting into serious drawing a tad later than I should have. This was just a quick warm up on anatomy practice.

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>>1940484
I don´t think this looks right, but r8.

>>1941680
Alright, I've saved all my images anyway.

>>1941694
His right leg is the same size as his head, bro.

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>one day later...

>>1941723
>breasts

You sexists pig!

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critic plz

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Trying to do gestures from imagination ?

Guys, I have a question. I was reading "Natural way to draw" and I am practicing blind contour drawing and gestures (not great but it's something), but when I got to the cross-contour I couldn't understand what he wants me to do and there is no example I could understand.
Does anyone have any example for that?

>>1941733
bad
make gooder

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>>1940484

>>1941758
Hatching must follow the form.

>>1941752
very insightful, thank you.

>>1940569
Anyone?

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>>1941694
fug :DDDDDDDD

britics bleaz

>>1941676

Thanks for taking the time to write some stuff for me.

I know some things are a little funky but I guess I should consciously avoid symbol drawing even in just planning.

I followed a generic circle template but when I got into adjusting it to try to match the model I think I lost some relative proportions.

I'll work on it again soon after watching what you linked and post a painted version.

Thanks!

When is it a good time to start reading Head to Hands? I'm not quiet finished with Fun with a Pencil, but I'd like to look more in-depth as to how to draw a face. Even though I'm half way through fun with a pencil, will it be okay for me to tackle Head to Hands now? Or should I finish pencil first?

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Okay /ic/ lay into me. My plastic skull has no teeth, just a smooth mouth so I had to fudge them. But man, damn do I hate drawing. Looking upon this I see nothing but mad inducing bad.

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>>1940460
emperor Mao study.

>looking at hot models for study and gesture sketching
>get a boner and fap furiously
>lose all motivation to keep working
the eternal cycle ;_;

question that i think should be posted in a beginner thread. How do I make reference lines from a vanishing point that extends beyond the page? Is there any trick to do this, besides visualizing where it is beyond the page and eyeballing the best angle for lines coming from that vp?

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a friend of mine did this, what do you think?

>>1941907
I think its pretty clear youre still in highschool

>>1941903
tape another piece of paper under the one youre working on and put the VP on that.

>>1941884
>Being this big of a horn dog

What are you, 13? At your age, anything will turn you on. Hate to see how you react to two forks on top of each other.

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>>1941884
>go to a figure drawing session
>first time studying from a live model
>model turns out to be a qt ginger grill
>my spot is pretty much front and center
>worried she's going to catch me lustily gawking at her and see just how much of a perverted permavirgin I am
>leave the session with an erection taller than the Eiffel tower

Can anyone help me undertand asian and droopy eyes?

>>1941956
Look up epicanthic folds

>>1941959
>epicanthic folds
Thanks!

>>1941350

Understand the planes of the face and "paint by number" the planes with the values you see in the ref.

>>1941917
I do that occasionally, just wondering if there is any trick I can do to make a realistic vp on the same page as the drawing.

>>1941861
I would really like a critique on this.

>>1941980
I like it.

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7 days in here. Been following proko and loomis and I'm just studying the head for now. Any advices?

>>1942000
What's up with his left ear?

>>1942003
he was born that way, don't judge him.

>>1942003
The head is kinda turned a little bit to the left. That's why his ear isn't fully shown.

>>1942016
The head is too symmetrical for that to be the case.

>>1942000
Nice hair.

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>>1941980
her eyes aren't quite positioned and angled properly, it seems like they need to be further down and to the left. you've also made her shoulders too broad by far and you've kinda scuffed her pout.

made this lazy redline, don't really know why but I did.

>>1942022
It's a slight tilt, enough to coverthe lobe of the ear. And btw, his upper part of the ears come forward more than usual. I don't know how that's called in English. Any down sides apart from that?

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>>1942038
You say it's a slight tilt, but I say he's staring straight at me. I really think you should show the rest of the ear.
Other than that, I think the eyebrows could be toned down a bit, and they should have a little more detail. I'm still working on faces myself, so I can't give you the best feedback.

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Forgive the ABSOLUTE SHIT quality of the photo but I need some help with "How to change perspective" (Want to draw the same but facing forward) plus any other tip... besides me fucking up and trying to draw too close to the notebook's back.

>>1942059
draw the mask flat and then once you draw the face in a full profile lightly draw the mask onto the face, contorting the ends over the face.

Are there any art programs on the PC with built in drawing lessons and stuff?

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So I'm new to everything "proper." I'm reading the article in the sticky and I suffer from "symbol drawing" - i.e. drawing almond shapes for eyes and circles for irises, etc.

I'm in the process of getting together some of the suggested reading material, but in the meanwhile - can someone point me in the direction of an article or something that goes into more detail about symbol drawing and how to break away from it? I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea. I keep reading that everything can be broken down into basic shapes, but when am I supposed to see a shape and when am I not supposed to (i.e. in the case of the 'almond' shape of eyes)? I'm confused.

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This one was the hardest of the three I've done today.

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Today was one of my most productive days yet. Which one do you guys think is my best?

>>1941807
>I followed a generic circle template
I generally tend to avoid that, and instead opt for the base that vilppu teaches in his videos. He uses a rounded egg-like form laying on it's side to represent the cranium - the narrower part at the front. From there you build off the eye sockets, cheek bones, nose, and then add the mandible. I adjust the exact form of this egg base to match the model's head shape.

I don't use this every time I draw the head, as sometimes I'll use a different egg-like form to represent the entire head as opposed to just the cranium. Or sometimes I'll use a box-form and carve away planes as needed. The key thing I'm trying to say here is to understand the principal being taught in various construction methods, and adapt it to better suit your needs/the model.

>>1942148
Have you tried describing forms with values?

How do I use this site, I cant see shit
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/564638872006534639/

>>1942146
>>1942148
You need to do more than trace over a photo.

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I drew a lemon?

>>1942148
I like the middle one the best.

>>1942158
I have not.

>>1942176
I'm flattered.

>>1942182
I suggest trying to draw from life. Photos are deceptive and hard to measure when you're in front of the screen, drawing on the other half.

Use pencil and paper, and try defining forms with tone and value.

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>>1940491
Never gonna make it

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>>1942173
Cant read shit cap'n

>>1941861
The hair is not appealing. It needs to stand out above all others. But yeah, hair is hard as fug to draw

>>1942148
>>1942146
How did you set up your screen to be able to look at the picture and draw at the same time?
I cant do that without it getting way to small and cramped

>>1942222
>"Nsio explains"
>2 seconds in google search for a readable version

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>>1940484
how I do

>>1942234
Well im talking about the rest of the stuff I also cant read, found this Nsio guys DA, pretty useful stuff

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any critiq on this, besides forms/gesture are off?

>>1942255
all you really have so far is the form, uh.

line quality could be better?

Is there an alternative book for beginners I can pick up alongside Perspective Made Easy that is not Fun With A Pencil?

I know I 'need' Loomis, but there has to be some other book that teaches me the fundamentals.

Is it recommended that you perfect you skill in realistic art before breaking the rules?

>>1942305
As someone who wants to break the walls down, I get told yes, by everyone.

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Been a while so here's something I did yesterday.

I tried coloring it but I'm just not happy with how it's turning out. I really am just at a lost for how to begin coloring in a competent way.

Help would be appreciated.

Anyone using Wacom Intuos Manga?
I want a drawing tablet and this thing is twice as cheap as a small Intuos.
I don't plan on drawing manga if that matters.

>>1942336
Study color theory then study lighting. Sycra has some good videos on light and it's pretty basic and formulaic so it shouldn't take long to pick up.

>>1940491
Which is funny, it's the first time I've thought that too, even though I've drawn plenty of guys before.
Something about that image screams gayboi about to be fucked by a burly bear.

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I tried drawing the head a few more times on its own but my complete fucking inability to function on even the most basic level fills me with hate

>>1942410
Congratulations, you are now officially an Artist. Get used to the frustration and anger, make them your best friends.

>>1942228
Not him but getting another monitor helps a lot.

>>1942411

Is there any way to become an Artist without hating yourself both as a creative and as a human being?

>>1942298
How to Draw, Scott Robertson.

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>>1942478
No. Embrace the self loathing. Embrace it Anon.

>>1942410
Cute angry face.

>>1942228
Use fullscreen mode on your program.

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>>1942516
ok i practised only useing hard bursh
i got fed up with it so im done.

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well how is this coming so far? i can tell i went light on the bottom half. should i redo it go on?

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>>1942518
You've stretched the eyes too tall and changed the gaze direction. The overall headshape is off, and I'd take more time to ensure the sweater reads as a sweater, even if it involves deviating from the ref. Pic related in that regard.

>>1942000
Try drawing something different in terms of face. If you are that same person why not try drawing another face?

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>>1942516
Ugh.. This was to fricking hard..
Hate rl faces

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I don't know why, but the quicker ones turn out better.

Would there be anything at all useful or beneficial in doing quicker sketches of faces the same way you kind of do body gestures?

Or am I just grasping at straws and need to suck up the misery and Self Hate and power through the months long misery of drawing way less heads much more slowly.

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>>1941806
daily studies.

anyone can input me on how i´m doing? re-reading loomis currently.

will try >>1942516 soon.

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>>1940953

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>>1940484
Quick warmup one by hand, will try digital version next.

>>1942708
work on using fewer lines
don't be afraid of being slower to be more accurate

>>1942711
I love the idea of using stain from cup of coffee as a circle for head. Very clever.

>>1942516
this is kicking my ass.

holy shit, how I hate drawing half open lips.

I want to trace and finish this shit already =(

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>>1942724

>>1942725
learn cut-out method.

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>>1942516
>>1942725
I GIVE UP

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>>1942739
> cut out method

which artist? or which book? never heard before.

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>>1940484
I'm sorry /ic/, I can't do it.

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>>1942751
the space from the hairline, down to the bottom on your eyebrows, from there to the bottom of your nose, from there to the bottom of your chin; is all the same proportion. very important.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m5UZRL4hmw

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>>1942516
Tfw you see imperfections everywhere and can't stand them and that makes you crazy and you don't feel like you really learnd something by being stuck for one hour on a simple lineart where you didn't even used line weight

drawing is fun

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>>1942894
Don't worry about it. Even the old masters were amateurs at one point. It's important to press on and keep drawing. Besides, if you quit now, you might very well look back in a year and think "damnit, i would have made so much progress if i had just kept drawing back then."
Perhaps, for next time, draw more confidently, with one or two strokes. Only use opacity lower than 80% for the underlying sketches (like the light blue lines in your pic).

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>>1942751
here i overlayed your drawing on the photo, didn't even need to rotate or resize.

as you can see you actually did quite well, you just made two of the most common noob mistakes ever, which i marked with a red dot.

you drew the cranium too small compared to the face, and you drew the muzzle too long.

betty edward's book "drawing with the right-side of the brain" is the most usual prescription for this sort of thing.

>>1942948
rather than 'muzzle too long' it's better to say you drew the lips in the wrong spot. which comes from drawing the lips halfway between the bottom of the nose and the chin where usually they're more like 1/3 or even 1/4 of that distance from the nose. which is a sort of brain trick, we tend to think of "between" in "in the middle" as the same thing for some stupid reason.

Anyone have some good skeletomuscular anatomy stuff I can practice? I want to hammer this shit out but I don't know where to get started.

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>>1942516
Beginner here with my attempt. How do you guys maintain the proportions between your drawing and the ref?

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>>1940484
Couldn't even give him a normal sized head. Fuck.

>>1941846
Anyone?

>>1942985
successful drawing first, learn perspective
you'll thank me later
then either figure or head

>>1942985
it's fine to look now. if you find it too difficult just go back to fun with a pencil for a while.

>>1940460
Finally got around to finishing up a wip that was on this thread from a while ago. Must say I'm pleased with the way my first completed figure turned out.

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>>1942992
>>1940460

Will i ever top forgetting to post img. !!!

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probably gonna color i tnow

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>>1942516
Fucked up too much :c
I think it'd probably look better painted

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>>1942516
got the angle wrong, I'll probably come back and finish this.

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Wanted to practice color and lighting, only to realize my chicken scratch is shit and I need to knock it the fuck off ;_;

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The right side of her face is really fucking me up.

>>1943027
Looks good to me.

>>1942516
>half-open lips
For fuck's sake.

Conveying subtlety through drawing is hard work.

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Couple of dailies. Going for fast and loose. My anatomy knowledge is not on point, doing more studying on that topic tonight. Thoughts on these?

>>1942093
I'm this anon, just bumping my own question because I'm confused as fuck.

>>1943133
Grind out some work drawing from life, and do some upside down line drawings. The upside down line drawings will help you train the eye to see things as they are, and not how you think they are.

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>>1942516

>>1943150
What are you doing in the beginner thread?

>>1943151
he is studying obviously

>>1943150
How the fuck do you colour like that

>>1943151
Trying to paint digitally, since I only did pixel art before.

>>1943166
Same method from ctrlpaint tutorial, without using airbrush

>>1943170
Do you use photoshop, Sai?

>>1943182
FireAlpaca. I'm having difficulties with Photoshop and Sai won't recognize my cheap tablet.

>>1943150
God you're good

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>>1942516
No zooming in
No cleaning up
Howd I do

>>1943185
firealpaca is good as fuark, which brush are you using?

>>1943200
Bad.

>>1943208
Whats the problems?
I can see the either the eye is to high or the brow is to low

>>1943210
go read more loomis

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>>1943200
>>1943210
Nose looks flat, heads not tilting right, eyes to high

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Started doing some heads from a reference sheet I downloaded. Does anyone have any tips on how to make my studies less flat and to get the measurements right or should I just keep doing them?

>>1943220
Not to mention the chicken scratching. Shit line quality, yo.

>>1943221
practice makes perfect.
You should start with a very big brush and make it smaller as you go, that way the canvas won't show behind your figure.
Also, the darkest parts that are in light should be brighter than the lightest parts in the shadows, that will help your image to read properly. The right eye can't possibly be this white.

>>1943220
Also the head itself is short
>>1943223
My lines arent that big of a problem I'd say, proper placement is. I just wanted to do a more sketchy drawing without cleaning anything up

>>1943230
Your lines are sketchy even for sketching. It's not as big a problem as anatomy, but still something to work on.

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>>1943027
I painted it last night to study values and stuff, and i think i still got her eyes and her face shape wrong :c

>>1943203
Put these in your config folder: http://a.pomf.se/nfadzs.7z Forgot who made these though.

>>1943240
Its alright but too smooth

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>>1942516
i tried to make her look more asian by paling the skin, and changing the hair. either way it came out better then expected.

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Just finish, any words?

>>1942989
Thanks for that. Will do.

How long does it take to study anatomy?
Ive only done some heads back in school days

>>1943268
heheh

hehehAHA

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>1943268
2.3 years. No, but it really depends. The best answer is 'untill you're satisfied'. You can devote your whole life to it, but you can already think it's enough after a months. When you get to a decent level? Too subjective, depends on what is decent for you, how you learn, your motivation, your time, etc. Just do it

>>1943269
>>1943270
Was that funny? Would 2 months be enough time to be able to match a basic human if I do like half an hour a day?

>>1943272
nope

>>1943272
You're never done studying anatomy. Now if you want to learn the basic proportions, that can be done pretty quickly, but the more you learn the more you realize you have to go.

>>1943274
>>1943276
Then, how long does it take to go through the Sticky and stop being a Rookie? Im glaceing through it now and it looks like theres a lot to read/watch

>>1943279
Even longer if you try to avoid it. Get started.

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As beginners do you often go: WTF am I doing right now?

>>1943306
I'm intermediate and I still do that. The ride never ends bro.

>>1943272
Problem is, there's so many ways to tackle anatomy. Every time I look up ways to draw anatomy or ask advice on it, there's always a different method. Granted, they all work, but still.... STILL..!!

>>1943306
Bro, even high end artists do that shit.

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>>1942516
new to digital art

>>1943312
high end artist dont need to do shit they just live off gumroad,tutorials,photobashing. You guys take anatomy too serious. Its just shapes and tones you can memorize some of them as you go. Why the fuck would you need to know every muscle when 80% of the time you are heavy reaferencing some photo ? or cuple of photos with a little of imagination ?

anyway It would BE useful when you would do stuff totaly from imagination. but nobody dose that. You could draw something from imgaination but then you can always look up some references and correct it. \


WHAT THE FUCK CAPTCHA TOLD ME TO CHOOSE STEKS WTF.

>>1941723
the lighting is really horrible on the reference image, it'll be difficult to render

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>>1942948
thnaks.

these are some more studies done today.

will start reading "drawing on the right side of the brain"

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wish i would've drawn this on paper that would hold a little bit more value. i don't know if that's the problem or not. still don't think i'll ever master drawing hair.

>>1943400
how much you paying?

>>1943426
i was hoping it would be

4free as i'm a poorfag and a beginner would do it as something to practice on

>>1943442
MOOOOOOOOODS MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS

>>1943443
i don't know the rules, i'm not from round these parts

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One of my attempts to realistic drawing. Tips?

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i give up it looks horrible.

>>1943480
please don't give up!! do you know how many australian midgets i would strangle to death just to be able to paint as well as you can? i'm still chicken scratching and drawing like a damn 4 year old. i'd be happy if i could just reach YOUR level of progress.

keep fighting, because you can do even better!

>>1943480
http://a.pomf.se/ymptuj.webm

>>1943325
Does your drawing really look like the picture to you?

>>1943494
>http://a.pomf.se/ymptuj.webm

love it
it should be on the sticky

>>1943337
People always using shapes to define the body. Maybe I haven't seen it in my study's but where's a good tutorial explaining how the body are shapes?

>>1943325
I've been lurking /d/ for far too long.

>>1942093
>>1943133
>>1943137
>The upside down line drawings will help you train the eye to see things as they are, and not how you think they are.

Here's the part that's fucking me up. I've been doing the Picasso portrait upside-down exercise, for example. The whole "see things as they are, not how I think they are" thing seems to conflict with the idea of everything being made up out of shapes / being able to be broken down into shapes.

So, in the case of the Picasso portrait, I'm not seeing shapes - I'm seeing lines, some straight, some curved, some abstract. So I'm drawing those lines. Then say, I look at a human face like the one in >>1942516 . Do I apply that to her face and see it as a construction of different kinds of lines? Because that seems to go against the idea of a head / eye / etc. being made up out of shapes.

Hopefully that makes sense. I really want to understand this!

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>>1943253
>>1942516
finished.

>>1943480
It feels a bit uncanny because you didn't show enough the connection between the neck and the trapezius (even if your model stretch her head upwards)

>>1943593
>uncanny
Let's start using this word only where it applies

>>1943550

Not like I understand any of this, but isn't the "see things as they are" stuff supposed to be done before you start learning how to break things down?

>>1943480
Looks okay honestly. Cranium a little small and neck a little thin/not connected to torso, but once those are fixed I think it should look pretty good. Large eyes but I assume you're going for that look.

>>1943638
i will just move on to another portrait study. i do one a day.

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>>1942516

>>1943674
those symbol eyes

>>1943254
The head looks good. Clearly a lot of effort went into it. The rest is quite a mess tho. Where is the light coming from? The legs in the front seem to be light by something but the ground is dark. You can't see anything without light so you gotta think about that. Design wise it's cool.

>>1943674
are u choinese?

>>1943685
no, are you?

>>1943516
Anyone?

>>1943737
Loomis, Hampton, Bridgeman
All bring examples of using shapes in their figure drawing shit.
>sticky

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>>1943583

>>1943749
pls stop

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What do I do next

>>1943745
I mean, I guess they're using "shapes".
But the shapes presented, you'll need to study anatomy a lot more depth to understand why the shapes are even placed there.

Loomis goes over it very vaguely on fun with a pencil, when he tells you to start adding skin to the gesture drawing, it's hard to comprehend exactly how he wants it done.

In the end, what the previous anon said is incorrect. You have to study the body anatomy quiet a bit before you can even start using those shapes. Granted, I understand that shapes are important to constructor the human form, but what I'm getting at is studying anatomy in depth is a must to even understand why you need those shapes.

>>1942516
Done son

>>1943755
Anon wants a quick fix of shapes, there is the quick fix.
He'll fail at it anyways and realize that shit you said later.

>>1942965
You sort of have to look at where is the part you're drawing relative to the other parts. For example you're drawing the left eye: You look at where the nose is relative to the eye and maybe where the brow is relative to the eye and so on. That's why its good to start out rough and work it out later using this method.

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>>1942516
Done, son

>>1943761
Yea.

Thing is, he has one point, you don't NEED to know every single simple detail of the human anatomy, no one is asking that. But you want to at least study each part of the body and understand why they exists and how it works. That why, when people draw, and something seems off, it's easy to correct when you understand the rules of construction.

>>1943221
Look into various visual measuring techniques. There's the Bargue and Gerome Drawing Course for starters. There are also techniques for measuring the model like in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hakaoQ9L1RM

As for your values, try to use as few as possible. When you start off the study have a value for the background, then establish a value for either the lights or the darks as a whole. You've now shown everything there is to show in only 2 values. Slowly add more, until you have 2-3 for the lights, and 2 for the shadows. If you absolutely need more than that to clarify the forms, then do so, but most of the time any intermediate values can be obtained from blending (excluding accents for the absolute lightest light and darkest dark).

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>>1942551
can some at least tell me if my colors look right so i dont end up polishing a turd?

>>1943777
Your values are way off from the ref. Look at the two at thumbnail size. Flip them if you have to.

Also, keep in mind that this ref has a lot of post processing, so it won't teach you much in terms of painting believable lights and having balanced colors. Nature - especially when painting from life - has a lot of grays that make the other colors pop. This ref is amateurish in that everything is high saturation - it won't teach you restraint.

For refs, you can find a lot of good ones from things like geoguesser. The colors won't be quite as lively as painting the scenes from life, but it will teach you about subtlety in color.

>>1943777
The colours are wrong because the values are wrong. The ref is much darker in most areas.

>>1943779
so id be better off tossing it? i chose it because large sections of it seem really simple (the sky, bottom part)

>>1943781
could it be saved in your opinion?

>>1943480
I'd be happy if I was you, I suck

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What would make her more Chinese?

>>1943782
Spend a few minutes trying to correct the values and subsequently the colors. You'll learn something about your perception bias. If it helps, try converting both to grayscale so see just how off you were.

I would not spend any time polishing it. Not much to learn beyond what you'll get with a block-in.

For future studies, have a distinct goal in mind in terms of what you want to learn. Whether your study is from life or photos (especially in the case of photos), make sure your source clearly displays something that you want to learn. For photos, a good rule of thumb is to stay away from anything that was modified in photoshop by somebody else. Don't assume that the guy behind the computer actually knew what he was doing.

>>1943794
this was the first painting ive done out of greyscale so basically i just wanted to be able to guess some colors accurately. but i was hoping to get some good detail in on the rock formation and get the water looking realistic. i guess i was overstretching it.

>>1943792
try working on making her pores a little more realistic since thats the only fucking thing i can see when i click on the thumbnail

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>captcha: nfeel

first ever attempt at drawing a portrait. i must acclimate myself with the urge to vomit uncontrollably, i'm assuming

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Ahri from LoL. feel like something's really wrong, aside from it missing color. Want to fix the lining before I do anything else.

>>1943816
>feel like something's really wrong

Read the sticky.
Way too much is wrong with that image.

>>1943810
Try to draw without lines, just light and shadow. Like, do this exact drawing again, but completely eliminate lines It'll look like utter shit but it's a simple way to take a step forward from where you are now.

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>tfw all you do is gesture sketching day in day out

>>1943872
Can you complete anything? I mean, gestures are great and all, but a good gesture is VERY easily lost in the rendering process when all the other factors come into play. I can't tell you how many times I've seen fluid, dynamic gesture sketches turn to utter shit once actual forms needed to be fleshed out. This isn't being directed at you obviously, as you've only posted the gestures, but I really do wonder sometimes if too many get sucked into thinking quick gesture studies will improve the final product.

>>1940484
I will study him all night long if you know what I mean.

>>1943872
Make lamp gestures. I dare you.

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>>1942516

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>>1943876
I rarely sit down and do careful study because I dont have time due to school and stuff. I think that gesture helps a lot with the style I'm pursuing which is very high energy and flowing dynamism. I don't know, I'm just very obsess with this way of thinking.

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I ended up working on it more and ruining it... Having trouble getting beyond a rough stage like this.
Face looks generic , features are too flat, lack character and expression.

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Am I meant to actually read what Loomis talks about, so much of it is just "Comedic" bullshit

>>1943904
>reading Loomis
nice meme x^D

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Think I may have turned her head a bit too far right

>>1943270
Speaking of anatomy, what would be considered the most beginner friendly way to look into learning anatomy?

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Be honest, /ic/, how shit is this? I'm getting so god damn frustrated with this crap, how the fuck do I feel the figure? I know I'm not supposed to focus too much on the anatomy, but it pisses me off when Loomis keeps talking about studying anatomy and then says "no, don't worry too much about it"
Fuck.

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>>1944001
Pic used. Sorry, I should have shopped it together with the drawing.

>>1944001
What book are you reading from Loomis?

>>1944008
I skimmed over Figure Drawing For All It's Worth. I wanted to try applying what I learned so far (I'm only around half-way though) so I tried drawing that. Evidently, I should probably finish the book before trying that. Hell, I haven't even finished Fun With a Pencil since I was curious to see what was farther down the road.

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>>1944011
Let's not go ahead of ourselves now.
Check pic related.

Don't worry about Fun with a Pencil, you don't HAVE to complete, but be sure you understand what the book is trying to teach you. I'm not done with the book myself, however I got stuck on the area with the manikin. Since then, I've study anatomy and the subject has became a lot easier.

Loomis' teachings may not be for everyone, but he shouldn't be ignored either. He paves a road way for you and tells you how to progress in your drawings. Somethings his guidance on how to continue on that road may not be for everyone, but in those situations sometimes it doesn't hurt to ask for directions from those around you. Ya' dig?

>>1944015
no, i started on loomis and was making terrible progress until i switch to vilppu and hampton. The difference is huge. I still have a hard time studying Loomis's books now. They're definitely not for people who've never drawn before.

>>1944018
If you are reading Vilppu and Hampton at this point, your drawings shouldn't look that off >>1944001

The mistakes are obvious, but since you're ignoring your studies, you'll need to look back and take those books in the proper order.

>>1944027
Anon who actually posted the pic here. Thanks for the tips, I know I was neglecting my studies and procrastinated on reading the books, so I'll definitely get strarted.

>>1944035
If you're ever having troubles on your studies, don't jump ahead. If a specific subject gives you trouble, YouTube other methods or perhaps read another book in relation to that study by a different author. You can even ask here if you're having troubles with your studies, and someone here can guide you on the right direction.

DON'T BE A AFRAID YOU PIECE OF SHIT!! WE'RE ALL FUCKIN' SCARED!! HUMANS ARE A PATHETIC RACE!!!

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>>1942516
Went b&w to try to work on values. Feel like I copied it too slavishly, not like I tried to put art into it, but better than nothing.

>>1944038
>DON'T BE A AFRAID YOU PIECE OF SHIT!! WE'RE ALL FUCKIN' SCARED!! HUMANS ARE A PATHETIC RACE!!!

Not the guy you responded to, but I've been in a major art funk for a long-ass time and I found this hilarious and motivating.

Thank you, random based anon.

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>tfw can't draw men

>>1944038
Thanks, anon. I honestly am afraid of drawing. It always comes out crappy as fuck, and my friends always insist that they're good. It angers me and I've actually lost a friend over it.
>hur stop crying and go back to drawing

>>1943792
Rotating the goddamn thing, for fuck's sake, /ic/.

What measuring techniques did you use? You've come really close to the ref.

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trying more values instead of going all out with color, I feel like I'm about to murder everything in the room.

>>1944000
I liked Sycra's vids on anatomy (the later ones where he talks), but maybe that's just me. (also Proko)

Guys
I don't know if I should make my studies with lines or by painting. How do I chose? Are lines only for first stage construction? Does it depend on what kind of art I want to "work" in when I'll get gud?

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>>1942516
brb fucking killing myself

What a waste of goddamn time

>>1944126
Nigger what the fuck is wrong with you.

>>1944126
Don't rage. Didn't look that bad honnestly. Redo it. Rotate and post.

>>1944098
None, I learned measuring and block in methods and now think they are poison, I use a technique that sort of like a combination of direct drawing and construction.

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>>1944125

>>1944135
Reveal technique?

>>1944138
I'm not sure what your asking.

>>1944126
But that actually looked pretty good you fucking nigger piece of raging shit retard

>>1944124
Oh, Proko has anatomy videos for the body? For some reason, I've yet to look that up even though I've been studying face features under his videos this week.

His Eyes, Mouth, and Nose videos on structure and anatomy are really, really good. I should probably look into that.

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>>1944096
>Draw something
>Friends around thinks it's really good
>You know it's shit

>>1944276
at least you are not me
>Draw something
>Friends around thinks it's meh
>You know it's shit

>>1944005
>those manlet legs

>>1944137
in "halftone shapes" part the halftones are made by blending shadow shape with base values ? or ?

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>>1940484

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I dont get the line of action, could someone demonstrate with say this image

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>>1944306
Well, that's a bad example to post since this character is stiff as fuck.

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>>1944313
How about this