was Yugoslavia only good when a Croat ruled it ?

yes, after he died serbs started with their nationalistic bullshit again

>>680949
was Tito a Croat nationalist? what do croats and what do serbs think of him today?

>>680952
it's complicated

one the one hand: Tito was a croat that did what croats wanted - decentrilized yugo, brought constitution, kicked the serbian "royal" family out of the country, gave Croatia its coast back, etc.

but, nationalists hate him because he wasnt an ustasha, they're idiots, most croats love him

i think some serbs like him aswell tho, specially the yugoboos and old people, but nationalists depict him as a ustasha

small nations like him the most, like macedonia and slovenia i think kek

>>680956
eh... i heard croats during the 90s tried to "make peace" beetwen communist croats and fascist croats, that's why i ask

>>680952
Yugoslavia was supposed to not have any nationalist tendencies. Tito was born is Slovenia, lived in Croatia, fought in Bosnia and ruled in Serbia. When he died, the train with his ashes went though all republics, to show his unbiased neutrality.

In my opinion, you shouldn't only blame Serb nationalists, but all nationalist tendencies that awoke after his death. Germany has been very successful since their unification (except for wars), since the people identity as German, and not as Bavarian or Saxon anymore. Sadly this level of unity wasn't reached in time.

When speaking to younger generation of Serbs, Croats and Bosnians (this nationality is made up, previously it was just Muslims) they all believe that the nationalist division leads to more harm than good, and also that the countries will unite again, when the warmongering generations loose their power.

>>681035

>this nationality is made up, previously it was just Muslims)

What? Bosnians exist, bosnian is a nationality. Ethnic Bosnians were christians in the middle ages, now most are muslims and are called bosniaks, then you have croat bosnians and serb bosnians.

>>681035
>the people identity as German, and not as Bavarian
I will never

>>680952
I know a Croat, who happens to be a Marxist, who thinks that Yugoslavia was heaven on Earth

>>681201
I know a turbo nationalist commie Croat who claims that Croatia is not Balkan and that they have nothing in common with the rest of the Yugos due to a mountain range. Oddly he does not think the same of Slovenia.

If I've learned one thing from talking to Balkans its that no two of them have the same opinion, and I think that might be where most of the problems are.

>>681035
>since the people identify as German, and not Bavarian or Saxon anymore

I don't know if I'd agree with that. Speaking anecdotally, I saw far more local flags while in Germany than the national one. Even touristy items were sold as "traditional Bavarian" or whatever.

Germany's unification may have been successful politically (and even that's up for debate given the riding disdain for Berlin as of late) but culturally I'd say very little has changed except that the regional differences rarely feed into violent internal conflicts

>>681035
>Tito was born in Slovenia
Tito was born in Croatia silly
TIto was a Croat
Tito expelled our serbian royal family
Tito was a Croat politician
Yugo commie scum were started by Croats
2nd Yugo (Tito's) was the type of Yugoslavia that Croats asked for in 1st Yugo
Tito cut serbia in 3 pieces (kosovo, serbia, vojvodina)

fuck tito, when Tito died we tried to make Yugoslavia like it was before ww2, tito was a ustasha with a partisani hat

>>681352

What do you think the solution for kosovo is? I know history, i know that its part of old serbia, its historically very important for serbs and yet nowadays, its full of albanians, sebs are a minority, many historical places were destroyed, its such a mess now. Serbia is not in a good situation atm, kosovo even less. Sowhat is there to do?

Im a westerner with 2 serbian friends, 2 bosnians (1 muslim and 1 serb). I find the region very interesting. Ive also been trying to teach myself the language (i can pronounce it almost perfectly thanks to knowing spanish, its really easy to speak and read).

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>>681352
>croat of orthodox religion (serb) asspain
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

>>681398
serbs lost kosovo because of sexual incompetence.

cheers


>>681398

>>681425
Go fuck yourself you genocidal commie-nazi croat scum

>>681398
kosovo is our land! our retarded politicians are to blame for being independant now, and soon, we will recognize it too.. albanians are the scum of the earth, they're like niggers, remember that

>>681352

Monarhističko prase, sto gulaga i za tebe i za kraljevski nakot

>>680947
yes

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>>680952
>what do croats think of him today
they think it's cool to complain about the current state of the country, comparing it to the "great Yugoslavia" which they actually know nothing about
>my grandma told me yuga was awesome so it must be true! fuck this government!

>>681352
>being this much assblasted
sad još reci da su hrvati pokršteni srbi i imaš cijeli komplet

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Uncle Ante was better

When will relations get better? When all the older people die off? No? When all the people and kids who lived through the 90s wars die off? Thats a long wait. Hatred is passed down through generations, how is the younger generation? The ones that were babies and the one born after the war, are they more cordial?

>>683845
>When will relations get better?

When the fucking retarded slovenian hill people that ripped apart Yugoslavia with their bullshit eventually realize their fucking nobodies and they've always relied on Serbia for everything.

Honestly everything that went wrong with the region can be traced to Slovenia

>>680947
because his policies were generally failures, but he managed to juggle them all the way until his death. its a coincidence of timing, but part of why tito is remembered fondly is because the economic shit hit the fan after he died.

then, all the governors and bureaucrats of the different states knew that a wave of democratization was coming, and that this would likely mean the dissolution of yugoslavia. and because of tito's system, the economy was scrabbled and retarded and riddled with corruption. so suddenly you have these states eyeing key regions full of specific factories and resources, but with mixed populations. they start to figure out that they can use nationalist claims to possibly get this land into their new country during the unavoidable breakup.

and then it all goes to shit and 25 years later we have serbs and albanians shitposting on 4chan.

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>>681425
>the shitposting croat is even on /his/

>>685668
Pojdi u štalco se s svojimi odojki valjat, cipa.

>>685668

Typical

In Croatia, opinions are pretty divided (as I imagine is the case in other ex-republics). Basically, some people praise Y. as an Utopia, and Tito as a great leader. They tend to ignore many problems (economic mostly) Yugoslavia had or the fact Tito far from any marxist-socialist standard. What's even more amazing, there are generations born after his death or in free Croatia who praise Y. and Tito. I don't know is it simple ignorance or stupidity. For example, gays wear Yugoslav symbols on their prides, to oppose fascist modern Croatia, while in SFRY they literally weren't allowed to exist.

>>686007
cont. There is the other side, patriotic/nationalist/etc. who despise Tito, partisans and Yugoslavia. There is a call for lustration, and labelling Tito and the regime as criminal/dictatorship, and equating it with Ustašas. Personally, I think Tito and Yugoslavia weren't good guys (just like Ustašas) but they both shaped our future and lead to creating independent Croatia.
As to when will relations get better, it's hard to say. Our people (Cros and Serbs) like to live in the past a lot, and argue about stuff that cannot be changed. Every side has their myths and justifications, and the ride never ends.

>>680947
In the Austrian diaspora many people have a certain nostalgia for Tito and Yugoslavia in general. I've spoken to Croats, Serbs and Bosniaks and most people have a very romanticized opinion of him.

I guess being forced to flee from your homeland does that to people.

What was it like living in yugoslavia when compared to the soviet union and warsaw pact states? Did people have more "freedom"? Were things "nicer"?

Can you guys link me to some yugo vids off youtube? Cultural, day in the life, political, etc. Im interested in all that.

>>686007
> while in SFRY they literally weren't allowed to exist.

Homosexuality was legalized in 1977 in Croatia. Decades before it was legalized in Serbia or BiH for instance.

Also, while it was illegal, the law was usually enforced in cases when an older person had sex or sexually abused a minor. Today people would call it pedophilia or something.

>>686214
I did not know that, but I meant it in a way of organized prides etc. It was stigmatized and a taboo topic until early 2000s. Tito's partisans (and we can assume Tito himself) thought of them as deviants of middle class. In any case, it's absurd to attack 'fascist' modern Croatia in which they are getting more and more rights and at the same time show symbols of a country that treated them almost completely opposite.

>>686253
I agree, its stupid.

>>686189
the only people that can truly answer that question probably don't know how to use a computer

>>686398

Kekd.

Are there any movies about the 90s wars? Or is it still too recent?

>>683845
Bosnian here. My cousin (and fair amount of family members ) are dumbfucks and hate Serbs and is probably teaching his daughter to hate Serbs so its probably gonna be perpetuated more.

>>680956
>depicting Tito as ustasha

Serbs are fucking retarded I swear

>>685825
>the shitposting serb is even on /his/

there I corrected it for you

tito would have had you nationalist scumbags all arrested. you're all brothers you fucking idiots. you are all exactly the fucking same.

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>>680947
>was Yugoslavia only good when a Croat ruled it ?
He killed a lot more Croats than any Serb ever managed before, so yes he did good and it was good. When he died, Croats started breeding like cockroaches together with their kebab-brethren kosovoalbos and bosnokebabs and destroyed the country from within. Same will happen with the EU

>>691113
>He killed a lot more Croats than any Serb ever managed before, so yes he did good and it was good.

only redeeming trait that fag had

>>689844
Probably the dumbest people in Europe

Tfw no greater serbia. Greatest balkan nation desu, everybody else is submissive .

>>685814
>his policies were generally failures

Can you elaborate this, please??