>>680952 Yugoslavia was supposed to not have any nationalist tendencies. Tito was born is Slovenia, lived in Croatia, fought in Bosnia and ruled in Serbia. When he died, the train with his ashes went though all republics, to show his unbiased neutrality.
In my opinion, you shouldn't only blame Serb nationalists, but all nationalist tendencies that awoke after his death. Germany has been very successful since their unification (except for wars), since the people identity as German, and not as Bavarian or Saxon anymore. Sadly this level of unity wasn't reached in time.
When speaking to younger generation of Serbs, Croats and Bosnians (this nationality is made up, previously it was just Muslims) they all believe that the nationalist division leads to more harm than good, and also that the countries will unite again, when the warmongering generations loose their power.
>>681201 I know a turbo nationalist commie Croat who claims that Croatia is not Balkan and that they have nothing in common with the rest of the Yugos due to a mountain range. Oddly he does not think the same of Slovenia.
If I've learned one thing from talking to Balkans its that no two of them have the same opinion, and I think that might be where most of the problems are.
>>681035 >since the people identify as German, and not Bavarian or Saxon anymore
I don't know if I'd agree with that. Speaking anecdotally, I saw far more local flags while in Germany than the national one. Even touristy items were sold as "traditional Bavarian" or whatever.
Germany's unification may have been successful politically (and even that's up for debate given the riding disdain for Berlin as of late) but culturally I'd say very little has changed except that the regional differences rarely feed into violent internal conflicts
>>681035 >Tito was born in Slovenia Tito was born in Croatia silly TIto was a Croat Tito expelled our serbian royal family Tito was a Croat politician Yugo commie scum were started by Croats 2nd Yugo (Tito's) was the type of Yugoslavia that Croats asked for in 1st Yugo Tito cut serbia in 3 pieces (kosovo, serbia, vojvodina)
fuck tito, when Tito died we tried to make Yugoslavia like it was before ww2, tito was a ustasha with a partisani hat
What do you think the solution for kosovo is? I know history, i know that its part of old serbia, its historically very important for serbs and yet nowadays, its full of albanians, sebs are a minority, many historical places were destroyed, its such a mess now. Serbia is not in a good situation atm, kosovo even less. Sowhat is there to do?
Im a westerner with 2 serbian friends, 2 bosnians (1 muslim and 1 serb). I find the region very interesting. Ive also been trying to teach myself the language (i can pronounce it almost perfectly thanks to knowing spanish, its really easy to speak and read).
>>681425 Go fuck yourself you genocidal commie-nazi croat scum
>>681398 kosovo is our land! our retarded politicians are to blame for being independant now, and soon, we will recognize it too.. albanians are the scum of the earth, they're like niggers, remember that
>>680952 >what do croats think of him today they think it's cool to complain about the current state of the country, comparing it to the "great Yugoslavia" which they actually know nothing about >my grandma told me yuga was awesome so it must be true! fuck this government!
>>681352 >being this much assblasted sad još reci da su hrvati pokršteni srbi i imaš cijeli komplet
When will relations get better? When all the older people die off? No? When all the people and kids who lived through the 90s wars die off? Thats a long wait. Hatred is passed down through generations, how is the younger generation? The ones that were babies and the one born after the war, are they more cordial?
>>680947 because his policies were generally failures, but he managed to juggle them all the way until his death. its a coincidence of timing, but part of why tito is remembered fondly is because the economic shit hit the fan after he died.
then, all the governors and bureaucrats of the different states knew that a wave of democratization was coming, and that this would likely mean the dissolution of yugoslavia. and because of tito's system, the economy was scrabbled and retarded and riddled with corruption. so suddenly you have these states eyeing key regions full of specific factories and resources, but with mixed populations. they start to figure out that they can use nationalist claims to possibly get this land into their new country during the unavoidable breakup.
and then it all goes to shit and 25 years later we have serbs and albanians shitposting on 4chan.
In Croatia, opinions are pretty divided (as I imagine is the case in other ex-republics). Basically, some people praise Y. as an Utopia, and Tito as a great leader. They tend to ignore many problems (economic mostly) Yugoslavia had or the fact Tito far from any marxist-socialist standard. What's even more amazing, there are generations born after his death or in free Croatia who praise Y. and Tito. I don't know is it simple ignorance or stupidity. For example, gays wear Yugoslav symbols on their prides, to oppose fascist modern Croatia, while in SFRY they literally weren't allowed to exist.
>>686007 cont. There is the other side, patriotic/nationalist/etc. who despise Tito, partisans and Yugoslavia. There is a call for lustration, and labelling Tito and the regime as criminal/dictatorship, and equating it with Ustašas. Personally, I think Tito and Yugoslavia weren't good guys (just like Ustašas) but they both shaped our future and lead to creating independent Croatia. As to when will relations get better, it's hard to say. Our people (Cros and Serbs) like to live in the past a lot, and argue about stuff that cannot be changed. Every side has their myths and justifications, and the ride never ends.
>>680947 In the Austrian diaspora many people have a certain nostalgia for Tito and Yugoslavia in general. I've spoken to Croats, Serbs and Bosniaks and most people have a very romanticized opinion of him.
I guess being forced to flee from your homeland does that to people.
>>686214 I did not know that, but I meant it in a way of organized prides etc. It was stigmatized and a taboo topic until early 2000s. Tito's partisans (and we can assume Tito himself) thought of them as deviants of middle class. In any case, it's absurd to attack 'fascist' modern Croatia in which they are getting more and more rights and at the same time show symbols of a country that treated them almost completely opposite.
>>680947 >was Yugoslavia only good when a Croat ruled it ? He killed a lot more Croats than any Serb ever managed before, so yes he did good and it was good. When he died, Croats started breeding like cockroaches together with their kebab-brethren kosovoalbos and bosnokebabs and destroyed the country from within. Same will happen with the EU
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