/his/ if you could go back in time and change anything what would you do
I would kill Mohammad as a child to save all the beautiful pre-Arab cultures like the Persians and Egyptians ect.
(Someone posted this pic on my thread so I'll share it.) I'd give Adolf Hitler a thumbs up. Not sure if it would change anything, but it would sure as hell be legendary.
I'd get modern treatment for Alexander the Great. His next objective was to conquer Arabia, that would have brought the Arabs into Hellenic civilisation and prevented Islam from ever arising.
I would kill all of the members of the Black Hand Gang to at least temporarily prevent WW1, and give Britain enough time to Federalise its Empire.
Seriously it already seems like someone went back in time and fucked with history to make that assassination transpire. It definitely should not have happened.
Agreed, but on that note, and i don't mean to hijack, does anyone have any recommended reading about pre-Muslim Egypt? It just hit me that i know nothing about what was happening there from about 100AD-600AD.
It was occupied by Rome
Sure I guess, but Pagans were forcibly converted to stop them from raiding Christian lands for the most part.
Central and Western Europe was mostly converted peacefully, and the Northern Crusades happened to stop the Vikings and Baltic Pagans from being complete niggers.
So Europe's conversion to Christianity isn't really comparable to the conversion of the Middle East and North Africa to Islam.
If Islam had just calmed the fuck down and not gone on an eternal bloody rampage, Christendom would have probably left them alone for the most part.
What are you implying?
It took Europe a good 400 years to organise and retaliate against Islam, if they would have ended their attacks against Christians it probably would have never happened at all.
This is long before the OP pls nerf Europe that conquered everything for the sake of it. If Islam had not been a continous threat they would have likely never have bothered to try and retake anything beyond Spain.
Stopped this faggot from joining WW1 on the side of the Germans so a liberal Muslim caliphate would exist instead of the extremist shitshow that is today's Middle East.
Gas the horses. Find and kill the original horse and camel, prevent the cycle of civilisations building up and then being reset by nomadic invaders. 8,000 years of continuous civilisation would be some sci-fi shit.
I'd stop John Wilkes Booth from assassinating Abraham Lincoln, so he would be able to proceed with the plan of deporting blacks slaves to Liberia. Alternatively, give the early colonists cotton gins so that slaves never have to be imported to begin with.
>implying there isnt all but unanimous academic consensus on the historicity of the Nazarean
Perhaps. But giving him guns like that won't gurantee his success. A technological revolution would be called for. Defectors trading away secrets for wealth. Enemies obtaining the schematics. Building their own models. Gunsmiths and merchants trading the weapons to other nations.
The only reasonable approach to this hypothetical would be to give him the model after his victory, maybe around 1812 when he's settled into his hard earned reign
Nobody actually thinks "Christ" is a surname.
Jesus would have been called Jeshua ben Joseph/Joshua son of Joseph, Jesus the Nazarean or Rabbi or something as he was a Hebrew-speaking Jew from a historic province we know exists. Whether you subscribe to a mythic, religious perspective on his life is another matter altogether.
I don't know. Traitors were very rare until the hundred days, or just before his first exile.
But yeah, there's a risk it could be leaked to the english.
Then I guess I'd just give him a Tirpitz. :^)
>mfw the crusades started because a bunch of poor Christians couldn't afford the toll charged by the Turks upon entrance into Jerusalem, and was proceeded by hordes of paupers pillaging and raping the lands of Hungary and Bulgaria, one such army led under a German monk having essentially a war with Hungary before they even made it to Constantinople.
Oh yeah, and they all did really sinful things before the crusades because they thought they would be cured. Dum!
>Jesus would have been called Jeshua ben Joseph/Joshua son of Joseph,
Yeah, no. It's Iesu, a common Greek word meaning "saviour". The Romans wrote it with a J, the Greeks (and Paul) only use the Iesu form.
Christianity kept Europe divided yet relatively stable for centuries, allowing for many symmetric wars to occur again and again, driving the development of weapons technology. Europe's state of the art small arms and canons allowed it to create and dominate the first global oceanic trade network. The influx of new crops and ideas led to the agricultural revolutions, the Enlightenment, and the industrial revolution. Islam indirectly helped by uniting the Near East into one empire that could dominate the Indian spice trade and motivate Europeans to find oceanic routes to India.
>Secular or based.
>if you could go back in time and change anything...
...I'd change the lotto numbers my mom picked when I was a kid into winning ones. That way I grow up rich.
>if you could go back in time and change anything /his/ related
Depends on how much I can change. Can I outright avoid the antonine and cyprian plagues? If I can, that.
If I can't, either I prevent the Serada del Mazor Consegio, or I ensure the Lega Italica progresses into a federation rather than break up.
Yes it was gracious of them to allow a few jews and spainards to study on the land they squatted on and exorted for 700 years. Meanwhile the entirety of North Africa, middle east and in the end all of Anatolia was cut off from Europe.
A brief study of the church fathers will show the diversity of locations of people that impacted the whole area. Augustine of Hippo from North Africa, Origen from Egypt, Tertullian from Carthage, Gregory of Nazianzus in Constantinople. I'm not going to bother going into the exchange of Philosophy.
The Islamic golden age was mostly a few Persians elaborating what Romans like Galen did in medicine and Aristotle in Greek philosophy.
Why does everyone hate based Islam? Is it jealousy because they have a culture worth preserving, a culture that hasn't descended into a decadent mockery of itself, suckling off the Anglo-American teat?
>Meanwhile the entirety of North Africa, middle east and in the end all of Anatolia was cut off from Europe.
If it had been up to the Muslims they would have unified them with Europe, but Frankish barbarians disagreed.
Probably give romans immunity to the major epidemic diseases of history, telegraph, and also a detailed manual on the construction of musket technology and aquisition of those necessary resources
Nigger, the Berbers of North Africa converted to Islam just the same as Central Europe did with Christianity. If anything the Reconquista was even bloodier than the Al-Andalus expansion and made sure both jews and muslims, even the mozarabs who were christian fucked off.
Anatolia was a dead roman husk who ironically became so mostly due to both the persians and the very same christians you keep defending. It was practically doomed to be swallowed by a new young power and the muslims just so happened to be nearby.
Both cultures have pretty much equally fucked eachother over at some point in time.
Not only do those cultures still exist, the Renaissance would not have happened in Europe, slavery would still be as it was in ancient history (aka, the worst time to be a slave), the knowledge of the Roman Empires and the Greeks would've been completely lost, the Arabs would have STILL become a massive Empire, but instead of being limited by Islam, they would've been crazy sand pagans with the largest Empire the world has ever seen.
You would've set all of civilization back at least 1000 years.
ah 4chan, even the smartest section of the board is filled with idiots.
Arabs ARE hellenic. most of their pagan mythology is based on Greek, and their entire system of science and logic is based on the Greeks.
You retards will believe anything to hang onto your primal hate, eh?
Alexander was probably planning to conquer the Arabia Felix, that was already under foreign rule when Muhammad was born. In fact when Muhammad was born most of the peninsula was already in foreign hands or influenced by foreign powers, the land of Muhammad being in the hellenic sphere.
It was one of the pillars of christianity. Eventually a denomination different from the official one in Constantinople became very popular, specially amongst the actual egyptians who spoke coptic and were the majority of the rural population. This led to harsh repression that helped invaders to enter Egypt more easily. Not just the arabs but the persians before them too.
The funny thing is, it literally was Europeans suddenly going MUH JERUSALEM. The First Crusade began as an expedition force to serve the ERE in fighting its rebels, but by the end it turned into something very different.
Neither of these things had anything to do with the Rashidun/Umayyad conquests, or even the Saracen pirate raids of the 9th and 10th centuries.
Fuck those fucking fucks.
Robespierre did nothing wrong
As there was on Moses, and that dude is now with "all but unanimous academic consensus" declared a mythical figure.
The further you get away from 2000 years of christian theocracy rewriting shit, the less substance and evidence for a real jesus remains.
> they have a culture worth preserving
lolk. Maybe you'd like to live in the 11th century, but I don't.
Its not the last 60 years, its been like this forever.
Jefferson quoted a muslim on this in 1786, before "the west" even existed, or anyone knew about oil.
>ive the early colonists cotton gins so that slaves you have it backwards. the gin allowed cotton to be cleaned on an industrial scale and caused the demand for it to skyrocket, while picking cotton still required backbreaking labor.
The cotton gin created more demand for slave labor