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I'm fascinated by occultists, though I don't believe in anything they say. What does /his/ think of Crowley, Gardner, and their ilk? Egotists building up cults of personality around themselves or quacks who genuinely believe what they teach?
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>>674590
Not knowing alot about Crowley, one can be both. Deguchi Onisaburo would be a good example. He most certainly delved into some very legitimate shamanistic practices, Yet he definatly built up quite a cult and was even charged with Lèse-majesté
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>>674590
I've always found the arcane sciences of Evola and his cultists more interesting than Crowley's work. More plausible.

https://juliusevola.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/3-julius-evola-introduction-to-magic.pdf
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I've heard Crowley based most his work off of etteilla
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Any good books on occultism/hermeticism/new religious movements from a religious studies perspective?
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>>675006
Considering Crowley published somewhere over 5,000-10,000 books in his lifetime and only one deals with Tarot to begin with. No, he didn't base "most" of his work off of Etteilla.

You are thinking of Eliphas Levi, the French occultist, who Crowley claimed to be reincarnation of.

>>674879
Evola held Crowley in high regard.
http://www.gornahoor.net/library/EvolaOnCrowley.pdf
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Crowley was a secret advisor for Hitler.
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>>676018
Source?
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>>674590
You oughta check out austin Osman spare if you're about Crowley & his contemporaries

If you wanna know about progenitors, Helena Blavatsky is where its at.
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>>676018

nah, he wished
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>>674590
I never understood how someone who is a literal satanist can call himself "gnostic"
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>>676497
Anyone who considers Crowley as "satanist" has not read Crowley.

http://www.gornahoor.net/library/EvolaOnCrowley.pdf

Like Julius Evola says; "If we are to associate Crowley with Satanism, it is because he himself invites us to do so."
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>>676587
Crowley's work could be seen as part of the meiliu that brought about lavey's Satanism, which I should say has no real connection to theistc Satanism at all.
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>>676587
>>676655

well crowley himself wasnt satanist but you can obviously get why he could be described as 'satanic'
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>>676018
How would Crowley's ideas work with National Socialism? Every man and woman a star certainly would include Jews and other parasites (perceived or otherwise).
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>>676680
This, you're conflating two different definitions of "satanist".

There's the theological and/or philosophical worship of Satan as a figure/idea (not around in Crowley's time), and "satanist" in the sense of "oh, this set of practices isn't Christian, so it's of the devil, just like all non-Christian religions". The latter definition was applied to the spiritualist and occult movements occurring at the turn of the century by Christian detractors, but didn't mean literal satanism.
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Its basically modern, reformulated mythology. You are not really going to find anything new in occult works as in ancient legends, besides different sophistics. They all want to convey the same message.
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>>676698
>oh, this set of practices isn't Christian, so it's of the devil,

well, to be honest, it was more 'oh, this set of practices isnt sane, rattional, safe or even precisely consensual, so its a deranged form of decadence'
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