Best Military Leader 1795-1815

>>662343
Suvorov

>>662361
Is this a meme choice? He's only remembers for not losing to Napoleon at Waterloo

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Not even a Frenchfag.

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>>662481
No.

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>>662508
Butthurt brit detected, here's another god tier rosbif remover.

You can narrow it down to 8 People
Lannes
Massena
Murat
Davout
Ney
Wellington
Bagration
Archduke Charles

>>662418
Everyone else did lose to Napoleon, so objectively Napoleons conqueror was the next best general of the era

"Hes only a basher Hardy"

>>662629
He didn't even conquer him though, he himself said he was going to lose of Blucher and his 50,000 Prussians didnt show up and save his ass

>>662670
Napoleon did not beat Wellington,Napoleon was defeated at waterloo and his power was ended.

Sounds like he got conquered to me.

>>662685
Right, but not by Wellington
Neys incompetence and Blucher was what won the battle

>>662738
Need I remind you, Napoleon didnt surrender until his elite imperial guard was routed by the British army?

>>662764
Your point? That event would have never happened if Blucher hadn't had shown up, as I said Wellington was on the verge of defeat

>>662770
Spent 4 hours on the verge of defeat did he?

At what point was napoleon about to win the battle?

>>662587
Swap Murat out for Soult imo. Also, even though they didn't achieve the highest positions, Davout had brillant divisionary commanders in his III corps between 1805 and 1809: Friant, Saint-Hilaire (apparently would have been made a marshal had he not died at Wagram), Gudin de la Sablonnière

>>662587

>>663912
Amongst other underrated French generals, I forgot to mention Suchet. Again, a brillant divisionary commander, who did well in Spain both as a general and governor of Aragon?

Suvorov easily.

>fought in more than 60 battles
>never lost
>often had the numerical disadvantage so the standard Russian zergrush doesn't apply

>>662529
>he believes that Ney was good commander above division level
>he thinks Ney was a great general despite him throwing Waterloo as a grandiose suicide attempt
not even a Brit, your shit opinion is just objectively wrong

>>663922
He was a genius tactician but I feel like on the battlefield, he never had a genuine hard, exceptional victory, the same way others did.

>>662343
Davout.
Auerstaedt never forget

>>663928
Objectively was
He did fuck up at Waterloo, but that doesn't negate the rest of his career.

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>>662587
ELLE AIME A RIRE, ELLE AIME A BOIRE
Seriously though you forgot him.

>>663965
Just looked at his wikipedia, holy shit how was he so based? "tout hussard qui n'est pas mort à trente ans est un jean-foutre"

>>662343
Jazzar Pasha.

The only man to defeat Napoleon without outnumbering him.

Horatio Nelson

>>662587

> french had literally 50 percent of the best sub-nappy commanders


how did they even lose?

>>662587
murat?

>>662685
>Wellington beat Napoleon
Do the British use meme magic or something to make people forget that they had the Germans do the leg work for so many of their continental wars?

>>664730
>murat
Joachim Murat.

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Clearly Black George.

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No love for my boy Ranjit Singh?

>>662343
Moreau, Ney, and Davout.

>>664589
Hitler had the best most experienced officers in the world too
Doesn't help much when you're literally freezing to death.

>>665001
>Hitler had the best most experienced officers in the world too
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>retards disrespect Wellington for Waterloo and ignore his best achievements on the Iberian peninsula.

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>>662343
Lord Cochrane

>>662529
>Jackson
>a good general

>>664589
They lost their best men to Russia's winter and in Russia. After that it was just ragtag bunch of conscripts with no experience or proper training.

>>664589
All of Europe warred with them 7 times, man. It's truly amazing that they were able to hold out for as long as they did.

>>665953
As a complete Francophile (Napolaboo?), I acknowledge that the Iron Duke was one of the greatest defensive generals of all time. I don't understand why people are unwilling to give him the respect he deserves as one of the giants of Napoleonic Era military figures.

>>662481

>Napoleon is sick, imma in charge now.
>let's send our cavalry in a suicidal attack
>don't spike English guns when Bongs retreat into squares. Just to make sure our failure is complete

>>668775
He was a fantastic rear guard. His performances in Russia and Spain show that he had a great mind for being a cavalry commander.
His terrible performance at Waterloo was because he was fucked in the head and suicidal from all the shit he experienced.

>>665001
Are you serious? The OKW was inept as fuck.

>>665953
>>668763
Like what, beating an army that had to fight against an entire country in rebellion at the same time?
Spain was like Russia, it crippled the french empire with a war of attrition and guerrilla tactics.
The battles were pretty irrelevant, outside of those for the control of Portugal.

>>664589
Try fighting a war 1v6 and see how that goes
The ressources weren't there for the war to go successfully so long. It went well when Napoléon was able to get a quick victory and force continental europe to peace, but not for prolonged periods of time.

>>664361
A literal god.
The way he cheesed the prussians out of their fortresses several times is hilarious.

>>662343
One of his marshalls probably. Maybe Suvorov although he died in 1800.

>>662361
Hahahaha

Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher or alternativily Shaka Zulu depending on how you view it

>>662670
The whole plan was predicated on either Wellington or Blucher pinning Napoleon so the other could attack his flank. That's not 'saving his ass', that's the entire fucking scheme of manouevre.
Wellington wouldn't have fought at Waterloo if Blucher wasn't going to arrive.

Having said that, in the Peninsula Wellington was an enormous defencebabby. In India he did see a good degree of success on the offensive, but in Europe he perfected the use of ground to draw the French into attacking prepared positions. When he had to attack, especially sieges, he shat the bed quite a bit.

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Why no Sebastiani

>>663965
Fuck, man that Style

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1 Sebastiani
2 Soult

>>664380
Pasha? Fuck off Turkaroach

>>671655

also handsomest

>>662685
>Neys incompetence
If you count Ney's stupidity against Wellington, you also gotta count Paget's idiocy against Napoleon.
Fair is fair.

>>663952
he was too smart to put himself at that much of a disadvantage

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Marshal du Empire Josif Poniatowsky

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This nigga.

He was probably played by Brian Cox at some point

>>662361
Hahaha oh wow
This faggot made the slowest advance of the entire conflict, and it was on a secondary theater against a second-rate French army Napoleon wasnt even leading himself

>>662371
He was only lucky to never meet Boney on the field

>>662481
This madman was an heroic warrior but a pretty bad general

>>662343
After Napoopan, the best military strategist was probably this Russian old fart who came up with the idea of retreating and burning everything instead of facing the French on the field

Lambert

Given another hundred and fifty or so years I'd suggest him. Lambert the Invincible.

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>>662343
>General Winter

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Best Person coming through

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>>673570
objectively this, but Desaix was pretty based

>Objectively best kebab remover in Egypt
>Saved Napoleons ass on his own intuition at Marengo, and died heroically while wrecking the Austrian center.

Practically all of the Marshals were badass in their own way

>tfw there will never be a LOGH styled anime about the heroic and tragic campaigns of Napoleon and his marshals against the eternal anglo.