>Attacked cities across the Bronze age world around 1000 BCE
>Nobody knows where they came from
>leads the Portuguese faction in the battle that resulted in the worst Portuguese defeat until WW1
>No one knows what happened to him
>Because of his disappearence, the country went tits up.
>People wanted him to come back so much they'd hang around the pier to see if any ship came by with the King.
>this led to the expression "to see ships" for someone who sits there waiting for something that isn't happening.
Where is he, bros?
>Longyou caves China
>Chinese man finds a hole; thinks it's a cave
>Wants to drain out the cave
>It's bigger on the inside
>Places 3 pumps
>17 days later and the "cave" has no water
>Nobody knows who or why it was build
the Tribe of Dan
the Tuatha de Danann, the Danaoi, the Danes, the Denyen
The history of England between 410 and the 9th century is a complete and total clusterfuck illuminated by mad monks and chroniclers. We know very little about the period at all and everything we do know is based on guesswork, archaeological evidence and brief mentions in the Anglo-Saxon chronicles from centuries later. Reconstructions of the period are fraught with dangers, especially when dealing with the idea of a historical King Arthur.
I like the look of this, but there's so much to be sceptical of.
Who wrote it and what does it say? I have legit lost sleep over this.
Did the eruption kill them or were they outside Pompeii when the Vesuvus exploded?
We will never know for sure.
The Huns actually. Thanks to the fact that the Romans fucked up their historiography.
We really have no real idea where the main clan came from. Its generally from the Eastern Steppes and the fact that they weren't identified as any of the known Steppe Nomads meant that they were most likely Altaic.
But then with names like "Attila" or "Bleda" they were also hinted to be of Ugric.
>legend forms around his returnal
>"he'll return in a misty morning"
>becomes a figure of far flung hope for the recovery of the decaying Portuguese Empire
>Fernando Pessoa ends up writing some of his best work around this ideal
>But then with names like "Attila"
I'm pretty sure Attila is supposed to be a title. And it probably has something to do with "father" in a Turkic language, cf. Ataturk, father of Turks.
The Xiongnu were BTFO by the Han but for all intents and purposes, stayed in the Steppes. But they just became a bitch-tribe fallen from power.
They were still there in 200's AD, according to Records of teh Three Kingdoms.
Yes there was a westward migration of Altaics by the 300's-400's AD, but we dont know if
1) The Huns were one of them or
2) The Huns were an Ugric tribe pushed by migrating Altaicniggers.
>2) The Huns were an Ugric tribe pushed by migrating Altaicniggers.
The descriptions by Jordanes and Priscus strongly imply that they were Mongoloid in appearance. Some Persian chronicles also mention that the White Huns (Hephthalites) differ from regular Huns in that they are not "ugly", when we know that Hephthalites were Iranic and so Caucasoid.
Obviously it's hard to tell with steppe nomad confederations as it's easy for a tribe to change allegiance regardless of its ethnic background, but generally the Huns were Asiatic.
>Literally called Sea Peoples
>Historians still can't figure out where they came from
fucking spoiler alert it was the sea
I like the theory that it was written by a scribe either as advertisement that he was good at his job, or as something he made up to sell to rich people as an example of an "eastern" scientific book. Both make sense given the historic context.
They developed out of the Canaanite culture in the area and eventually formed a religious identity out of the special veneration of Yahweh. The lost tribe stuff is the result of the Babylonian captivity as far as I know. When the priests and other captives came back, the took a different religion back because of their experiences (Babylonian influences, monotheistic, text-based). The locals/former Hebrews hasn't been exposed to that religion and didn't practice it, so the returners stopped considering them Jews as a result. Look at the Samaritans as an example.
>THE FUCKING MELUNGEONS
There were DNA studies a few years ago. They showed ethnically mixed ancestry, but with heavy African, which supports the popular view that they were the decedents of free and escaped slaves mixing with local populations. The only reason there was every an controversy was because of attempts by them try to appear as non-black as possible for more legal rights.
I'm sure they were, but it was more the questions surrounding why. Shit's spoopy.
For anyone wondering.
Genghis Khan is a mystery when you think about how big of a historical figure he really was. He conquered huge territories in the Middle East and China, invading areas that were known to be excellent record keepers.
But we have no idea what he looked like, what year he was born, what year he died, how he died or where he was buried. We don't even have that many quotes from him besides the "flail of god" letter.
All we have is some random Muslim chronicler who said that it was weird Kublai didn't have his father's red hair, and a source that said he had "cat-like eyes".
There's a bunch of stories that say he died from falling off a horse, a sickness, poisoned, etc.
For a guy who accomplished as much as he did, you'd think you'd know more about the man himself.
To be another captain obvious, the Israelites as a whole civilization. Where they came from, and where they went.
As in for, the country of Israel, not Judah.
The assyrians PROBABLY outbred them, but it is inconclusive if this was the case or if they were sold into slavery externally in the empire.
I always come across 9 11 truthers and if the topic ever comes up, I always mention this facetiously. The person always thinks I am concurring with them.
I kind of doubt the official story but I won't go down the rabbit hole because I'll start to call Cheney a reptile and talk about ancient aliens buildig the pyramids eventually.
You know; Aegeans and Asians aren't the same thing.
You know many mongolians and siberians are actually blonde/red haired
they where probably nuragic
also existed at the same time as most of the accounts are made
islanders and renowned sailors
many of their statues of soldiers and boats are similar to other depictions of the sea people
many greek, egyptian etc. goods have been found in nuragic settlements
but yeah its most likely a umbrella term for sea raiders but that dosent mean that a single civilization wasent accountable for a majority of the raids
The problem is that the frequency of characters perfectly matches what you'd expect from an actual language, rather than random scrawlings or a cipher.
It's basically accepted among cryptographers that the text represents a real language, written down straight-forwardly, in its own script. Of course, they've been unable to translate it as anything we know of, but I've seen a pretty good argument made for it being a Semitic or Afro-Asiatic language, based on transliterations of the horological charts and what have been identified as likely to be the major botanical words. By that theory, the script would be a partial abjad that used capitalization and used separate characters to show a sort of umlaut.
>It takes 20 years of non-stop writing plus time for making large illustrations
>life expectancy was 30 at that time
>Announced one year before it was published
>Said to be written by one single monk
..he managed to finish it because "the devil helped him". That's why it's called "Satan's bible".
>written in early 13th century
>The average life expectancy for a male child born in the UK between 1276 and 1300 was 31.3 years.
The book wasn't written in Britain, but still.
Second source confirms
Average life expectancy was 30 but imagine isolated monk living in monastery and writing it whole the time.
He hardly got any illness from other people, he didn't work physically(hence accidents etc. weren't really likely occurrence for him), he never got into fight when drunk.
He could pull it off.
they were vikings. with a time machine. and that's fukken awesome.
They moved to nearby Croatoan Island, hence the "mysterious" carving of "Croatoan" onto a tree trunk.
I remember reading about that as a kid and every damn account mentioned "The mysteeeeerious word 'Croatoan' was mysteeeeeriously carved into a tree-trunk, to this day scienticians and historogians puzzle over what it could mean blah blah". Fucking liars, man.
Should be sans.
Anyways, somebody spot me here, didn't the Greeks have laws saying that people over 65 didn't need to fight in case of war? It was common enough for such rules to be enacted, obviously.
I'd say, and this is completely out of my ass, 40-50ish for peasants and 50-70 for well off citizens.
Also, the Lumbee tribe from the area, who had white-looking members when other settlers showed up, has always claimed to be descended from the Roanoke colony, and the genetic evidence backs their claim up.It was never really a mystery.
Yeah, that's pretty much true. It's mostly just people on TV on shit websites selling drama. Most of these kinds of stereotypical mysteries were either solved a long time ago, or we can make a pretty good guess about them. People just don't like doing research.
Its more than that. People just don't like knowing. They want their to be mysteries, so they willingly ignore facts or even reason, and purposefully choose to believe in something "unknown".
leemayo. I'm from the area and was always autistic about NC history. The Lumbee aren't a tribe and aren't native americans. They're creoles descended from former slaves who mixed with an already mixed population of settlers/natives. Also they're the epitome of human trash.
>The Lumbee aren't a tribe and aren't native americans.
There's more to the "existence" of tribes than federal recognition. Seriously, look into the recognition process. Recognition can be denied for completely arbitrary things, and when you combine that with the political issues that come with recognition, as well as problems that come from popular conceptions of authenticity, it's a pretty messed up system.
Also, they're not the only ones that claim ancestry from the Roanoke settlers, they're just the ones who brought it up most through history.
we haven't mentioned Tamam Shud yet, have we?
because Tamam Shud
are you serious? The archaeological evidence for the middle Saxon period is extensive and we are filling in most of the gaps for the immediate post-Roman period.
Anyone who propagates this crap clearly hasn't actually studied the period in any detail.
There is an island people around India or Oceania or some place like that. They are primitive and have remained so since first being documented. Whenever a film crew or aid organization gets too close the natives chimp out and bombard them with arrows. The Indian government has quarantined the area. I'm surprised more people don't know about this.
It's actually not terribly uncommon for Steppe people to have green eyes so that's what I figured it meant. There was so much gene mixing from rape on the steppe from Eastern Europe to China that I wouldn't be shocked about any traits occurring in any steppe nomad.
Rashid Al Din gives us the red hair/cat-like eyes description and he was in the court of the Ilkhanate.
Considering what the British did around the area, they probably weren't always so isolated for thousands and thousands of years like people claim, especially since their language is related to other islanders' nearby. A Brit ship probably just showed up and fucked their shit up, and afterwards they ingrained the tradition of "if anyone comes around from the ocean fuck them up IMMEDIATELY" into their culture.
"Culturally and linguistically, the Yenisei Kirghiz were Turkic. The Kirghiz were described in Tang Dynasty texts as having primarily Caucasian features, with some having East Asian features. According to the Tang Huiyao (961 CE) article on Jiegu (the Kirghiz), which very likely comes from the Xu Huiyao that Yang Shaofu and others completed in 852, citing Ge Jiayun, who was the Protector General of Anxi:
During the reign period of Kaiyuan of [emperor] Xuanzong, Ge Jiayun, composed A Record of the Western Regions, in which he said "the people of the Jiankun state all have red hair and green eyes. The ones with dark eyes were descendants of Li Ling.
It further mentioned that the name "Xiajiasi", by which the Kirghiz were then known, was what the Uyghurs called them and had the meaning "yellow head and red face"
What the FUCK was even going on in Siberia back in the day? Did caucasians go north west? If so, why weren't there any found towards the modern day? Did ALL of them migrate away or intermix? It's fucking weird.
Also, what's up with the red hair thing in general? There are random communities in the middle of Siberia filled with people with red hair. I used to think that was only a celtic thing. What the fuck?
>Tocharians and a couple of other early Indo-European groups culturally enriched that entire region of Asia long ago
Nope.jpg. Indo-Iranians and whoever the Tocharians were were the natives of that bit of Central Asia.
Its the Altaics that culturally enriched them. Hence that fact that some Central Asians of the Altaic Language group look Iranic/Have red/blonde hair.
That said, Imperial Chinese found red hair disgusting. One for reasons unknown, another for the fact that this feature can be found in Indo-Iranian Steppe Niggers who raided the western borders/kingdoms of Zhou/Warring States China. Why they didn't find blonde as disgusting I have no idea.
While today the Chinese do not think red hair is disgusting, the prejorative survives. The slur for white people in China is "Hongmao" or in the South, "Angmo." Meaning "Red Hair." A shortened form of the old term "Hongmaofan" (Red Haired Barbarian.)
Archaeology doesn't give enough information to dispute anything i've said. Only mad fuckers would think otherwise. Knowing the styling of a pottery shard or the distance between foundations based on rotted wood does not tell us as much about a 200 year old period as you might think.
The post-Roman period is not that well documented, if you could point me to anything substantive and authoritative i'd be happy though.
>Knowing the styling of a pottery shard or the distance between foundations based on rotted wood does not tell us as much about a 200 year old period as you might think.
It's pretty clear you have no fucking clue how archaeology works. It's not limited to material culture, and nor is it limited to face-value interpretations like you seem to think. You can find out an awful lot more from the archaeological record than building foundations and pottery typologies.
>if you could point me to anything substantive and authoritative i'd be happy though
The Anglo-Saxon World by Higham and Ryan is recent and a very good overview. It's a field that is actually undergoing a huge expansion in terms of literature, even the immediate post-Roman period is really benefiting from the developments in archaeological science, especially soil micromorphology.
>Nope.jpg. Indo-Iranians and whoever the Tocharians were were the natives of that bit of Central Asia.
Not really, they just pushed out and absorbed whoever it was that was there before them, who pushed out and absorbed whoever was there before them, who pushed out... such is the history of Central Asia.
What was the significance of the symbols on the Pictish symbol stones?
The Scythians/Sarmatians were said to have red hair and green eyes, and they were active as far east as the Ordos. Mongols/Turkic peoples who have red hair and blue/green eyes must have descent from Caucasoid Iranian nomads.
If Ashkenazim are primarily descended from Khazars then they'd look a lot more Central Asian rather than Mediterranean. DNA tests show that Ashkenazim have significant eastern Mediterranean DNA and are closer to other Jews or Italians than anyone else.