This is really a question of theology. With no god, we everything is controlled by determined physical laws of the universe.
Through God, however, you are more than just a being in a material realm. There is a spiritual realm in which you are eternal. The source of our despair, then, this eternal suffering which starts at the creation of the individual and the binding of the soul to body, is a source of continual discomfort which forces some people to behave abstract in regards to the spirit. The spirit, however, is something inherently not explainable by any physical laws. It is something you can only either feel or receive direction to notice. Once you are grounded transparently in a guiding body, you realize we are all connected which is why your 'will' can have such an influence on the world around you. God is a very empowering and humbling entity and idea. He is the realm of possibility, which is completely self-determined, but since you are grounded in God it is determined by him as well.
>>587161 It is provably impossible to know all variables of a universe, unless you exist outside the universe. Any mechanism that would know and calculate another variable would have to know it's own variables as well, as they are part of the universe.
Determinism is logical to me. What isn't, however, is Schopenhauers "soft determinism."
How can you say the one has free will to act while conceding that what one wills, and thus who one is, is shaped deterministically be the world? If you admit one has no freedom is becoming who they are, that one is shaped in that regard, there is no logical way they can be said to have true freedom of action. The just act as the world shapes their desire to act.
It seems that to admit any determinism is to admit all of it.
>>587597 He knows at all times but during the act of creation.
That is literally the only way to reconcile christianisty with any possibility other than God being intentionally malicious in creating man only to suffer and then be punished for being no more than what he intentionally made us.
>>587161 1: there is no proof either way, so trying to draw conclusions from this while claiming to be 2deep4u is fedora tier
2: free will and time could be illusions, but your experience of them itself is not an illusion, in the same way that the nerve signals from your eyes to your brain are real even if you are watching an illusory magic trick
God damn you people, read some actually philosophy. All compatibilist arguments aside, it doesn't matter if free will is a myth or whatever. It doesn't change the fact that from your perspective, you must choose. Even if you know exactly that your outcome is predetermined, you must -do- something with that information. even if you sink into despair and do nothing as a result, you have chosen it. The knowledge that free will is a myth doesn't change anything from the perspective of the decider, so it's nearly irrelevant
One of the things anon mentioned was ability to alter ones own desires. This is actually possible for people, we can want to want things. We can even want to want to want things. And we can make ourselves want the things we want to want.
Admittedly, I don't think it would be easy to make an experiment to show if anything but a human could do this, since we can only really express it through language.
You most certainly do have control over your internal psyche. That's what allows us the ability to even attempt to achieve mastery of ourselves. Is it, or is it not, possible to change the system, despite being a part of that system itself?
And if not, can you explain the impossibility to enact the change so that I may better understand?
>>591784 >You most certainly do have control over your internal psyche. That's what allows us the ability to even attempt to achieve mastery of ourselves. if you can do it, its because of your past experiences that allowed you to be able to succeed if you cannot do it, its because of your past experiences that allowed you to not be able to succeed we have.....no free will
>>591659 No other animal has the ability to question and philosophically reflect on stuff in a sapient fashion. Coco the gorilla, while smart and knowing quite awesome concepts, never asked "how?" or "why?"
>>591855 yes, but you have the ability to be self aware, and thus, the ability to begin to develop those experiences do you not? Whether or not you can actually instigate change upon the world outside of yourself, you still have the ability to rationalize for yourself and make a decision. Granted, it will most likely be based off of your own personal experience, but is it not possible that despite a lack of experience you could still act, and generate something which for yourself as an individual is completely nuanced.
When it really comes down to it, the idea that we are solely the expression of our experience is paradoxical.
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>We declare the following: “The absence of a neocortex does not appear to preclude an organism from experiencing affective states. Convergent evidence indicates that non-human animals have the neuroanatomical, neurochemical, and neurophysiological substrates of conscious states along with the capacity to exhibit intentional behaviors. Consequently, the weight of evidence indicates that humans are not unique in possessing the neurological substrates that generate consciousness. Nonhuman animals, including all mammals and birds, and many other creatures, including octopuses, also possess these neurological substrates.”
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