What are the arguments and logic for the reasoning of unitedness and cooperation behind the ideologies of various pan-ethnic movements, for example Pan-Celticism, Pan-Slavism, Altayic movement, Native Americans in the Americas? How did they sell the idea of uniting various different and separate ethnic groups into loosely defined bigger units?
Also, pan-ethnic movements in general. What are the more unheard ones and what are their ideology's like?
Sauce, essay's, analyses would be greatly appreciated
I'd argue it was as simple as one culture thinking it's superior to others, and in so conquered the other ones. Then through decades of obedience their cultures merged into one another in some way.
So tell me, what arguments would there be against a hypothetical Kashubian state expandind and assimilating other Slavs, other than the meme
>we're a family
>we're stronger together
What rational arguments would explain why it is wrong for one group of Slavs to exploitate another group of Slavs?
There really aren't, and in fact this has happened and is still happening. One could say Russians are to this very day exploiting Ukrainians, or that Polish people are exploiting Silesians or Kashubians (Silesians are hardly a seperate ethnic group though, they do not even have a separate language.) My post, was of course a dumb meme-post directed at attracting attention, in fact I am a fierce opposer of pan-ethnic states and reduction of cultural (where native of course) diversity.
>What are the arguments and logic for the reasoning of unitedness and cooperation behind the ideologies of various pan-ethnic movements, for example Pan-Celticism, Pan-Slavism, Altayic movement, Native Americans in the Americas? How did they sell the idea of uniting various different and separate ethnic groups into loosely defined bigger units?
>Also, pan-ethnic movements in general. What are the more unheard ones and what are their ideology's like?
>Sauce, essay's, analyses would be greatly appreciated
The defining factor is autism.
>these countries are all very similar to me because i have no real knowledge of them and are confusing me
>Why don't we just blob them into a big massive blob that soothes my autism
In reality, Pan Slavism was something the Czechs invented to distance themselves from the Germans, even though they are very similar to the Germans. The Russians used it as a tool to justify occupying Poland and various Slavic states, and also to spread their influence in the Balkans.
Apart form language there is no such thing as slavic unity. Im a south slav and the Greeks and Romanians are closer to me culturally than the Poles or Czechs.
Aside from "look at all those numbers, if we add them together we could be stronk!" there's fuckall to actually support that, hence why all such movements failed or didn't even take off.
It's only useful for stroking egos of people who like to map paint.
But Anon, Russians are Hyperborean Slavic Aryans (also all of Eurasia is Russian) who're 10000 years old and Perun is actually an ancient alien who flew in a vimana!
>Silesians are hardly a seperate ethnic group though, they do not even have a separate language
What? Silesians spoke German for over 500 years, and there is a Silesian language with about half a million speakers according to a 2011 census. I'd say they have a separate identity from the regular Poles.
>tfw you will never experience the equanimity and glory of life in Airyana Vaejah (Hyperborea) the mythical Stem Lands of the Aryans.
I curse Angra Mainyu and DRUJ for its destruction!
They're barely even Slavic in influence.
Funny thing is, since Russians know fuckall about their actual traditions due to various reasons, they tend to use Finnish traditional motives and claim they're Slavic.
>But Anon, Russians are Hyperborean Slavic Aryans
According to the Zoroastrian, Slavic pagan, Hellenic pagan, and Vedic narratives; this is true.
>also all of Eurasia is Russian) who're 10000 years old and Perun is actually an ancient alien who flew in a vimana!
This is memes.
FYI these images depict the Slavic interpretation of Ēran-Wez / Airyana Vaejah "the Stem Land of the Aryans." Interestingly, the second term in the Sanskrit name "Airyana Vaejah," in the Middle Persian name "Eran Wez" and in the modern Persian name "Iranwiz" are related to the Slavic suffix -vich and to the English word "vagina".
>How did they sell the idea of uniting various different and separate ethnic groups into loosely defined bigger units?
There are very few situations where it happened. Italy, Germany and... maybe... hmmm...
>Silesians spoke German for over 500 years
In cities. Just like in Riga or Prague.
Generally speaking to understand the "situation" of Silesians and Kashubians think about Occitians. There are Occitian independence movements but they're... eh... hardly big, because majority of technically Occitian population identifies as French anyway, sometimes as both Occitian and French. Same applies to Silesians of Kashubians.
Pan-Slavism is kind of moot point because medieval slavs were likely very loose bunch. You've had both "core" slavs(you know, potato faces, pale skin, blonde or red hair) and something more Turkish/Persian/Gypsy like(brown eyes, darker mediterranean complexion, dark hair, often paired with potato face) etc. etc. in a single country and as they've identified themselves as people who can speak anyway you can assume that it's more of linguistic group than ethnic group.
Honestly it's mostly the differences. There were three attempts of "multi-Slavic" states in the 20th century: Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and to some degree the USSR. All of them fell apart.
>according to Slavic pagan narratives
There are no Slavic pagan narratives. Fucking none. Slavs didn't record shit and what we know about their paganism comes from scarce records made by Christian missionaries.
No, it's not enough. The records themselves are so vague that people to this day don't know whether Radegast was an actual god, a city or a mountain. Not to mention we know fuck all about East Slavic paganism and they had to reconstruct the whole thing using sources about Western Slavs like the cuckolds they are.
>being this ignorant
>some Geoshitties site reconstructing religion with armchair linguistics
It's not crackpot shit, you're the crackpot if you think that legends about the bogatyr having nothing to do with Slavic folklore.
>b-but these people who lived near or on the Eurasian steppe used a term that was also used by nomadic steppe warriors!!!
Doesn't matter, totally obvious why the word came into use in the Slavic folklore.
Not Slavic. RUSSIAN.
Some guy ITT mentioned it earlier, Russians are clueless imbeciles interpreting things they borrowed from Finns and Turkics as their own, calling them "Slavic" and then being baffled upon discovering other Slavs don't have them.
Can't argue with the others but
Sexy borders (most important)
Slightly less irrelevant compared to powerful neighbours
Similar cultures and political values
Cooperation on cultural issues, language revival etc.
Affection between countries.