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ITT: We discuss Latin American dictators

Favorites? Craziest? Worst?
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Pacal > Spaniard rapebabies
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>>586027
pinochet was an immigrant
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Cuba dictatorship is the best one to be honest
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>fat ameritard George W. Bush tortures terrorists and still fucks up the war
>no consequences

>Based Fujimori tortures terrorists and wins the war on terror in Peru
>Bush calls him a war criminal

Everyone was just jelly of how great Fujimori was.
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Don Porfirio is bestest
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>>586027
>Pacal The Great
>regarded as a god
>giant monster with a height of about 7 ft.
>actual alien

Pacal shits on all other indigenous rulers
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>>586670
literal meme dictator
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>>588127
>tell me more about this "guy"
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>Pinochet comes to power in 1975
>Pol Pot comes to power in 1975
>Pinochet 's regime kills ten thousand people (if we're being generous), mostly communist
>Pol Pot's regime kills a million if we're being conservative with estimates
>average income today in Chile today is 17,000 USD per year
>average income today in Cambodia is about 1,000 USD per year
>similar development indexes in 1975, although Chile had a leg up with available resources
>people demonize fascist regimes more than communist today
>mfw
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>>586685
Why do people care about that torture facility?

Do they think it exists for fun? Its political opponents seem convinced that everybody there was a dindu
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>>588151
If you believe Pinochet was fascist you're literally retarded.
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> had a teenage delinquent record, rape included
> organized paramilitary gangs to scare rivals and won election
> seized bank accounts of whoever he wished
> tortured and killed every oppositor and took their properties
> took control of all industries and plantations
> genocided haitians
> built monuments to himself and even renamed the capital, invented titles for himself such as Great Benefactor, Protector of the Church ,etc
> fucked every woman he wanted
All other dictators are memes
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>>586023
>>588151

Was Pinochet really that great?

t. I know nothing about him, but the images from the chilean army outfit looks really awesome
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>>588151
Pinochet was not a fascist, stop falling for the lefty memes.
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>>588172
That's not how you use t.

t. meme pro
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>>588167
meh, this guy also owned everything fom bus lines to brothels. Also seized all foreign aid to his country after a big earthquake and profited by selling it. A literal vampire.
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>>588172
of course, he defended his country from the soviets then peacefully transitioned to democracy, he's a hero
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>>588202
>t. meme pro
More like t. Retard.

t. is the finnish word for regards (terveisin)
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>>588172
What you have to understand about the 1973 coup d'etat and the events leading to it is that it all was much more a Soviet-American dick measuring contest than anything else. Chile was nothing but another chess piece among many others.

Either way, the Soviets and Americans were two sides of the same coin; that coin being globalism and expansionism.
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>>588214
The difference is that Chile being a pawn of the U.S. was better for it than being a pawn of the USSR.
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>>586023
muh general
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>>588172
So from what I understand from what I've heard from Chileans is that the animosity about Pinochet isn't so much that he overthrew the government and took power, but that he refused to relinquish it and restore a democratic government.

Allende came into power through some kind of fault in the electoral system (from what I understand, it was a case of the opposition being too divided so he happened to get the most votes without getting a majority), and he seemed to be moving the country towards communism about as rapidly as one could without resorting to genocide. Unrest was building for a while, and finally in 1973 the military stepped in and Pinochet came to power.

When Pinochet came to power, he did what he could to undo the failed economic policies of Allende, opening up markets and bringing economic success to the country. Unfortunately, his policies also resulted in a widening income gap that we still see today in Chile (they've got some of the worst income inequality in the region, IIRC), and, more importantly, he resorted to very heavy-handed methods to suppress leftist sentiment. Thousands were killed extrajudicially, while tens of thousands more were wrongfully imprisoned, tortured, or exiled.

What you'll find today in Chile is that most of the animosity over Pinochet comes from the idea that he ruined a revolution. People hated Allende, and they appreciated Pinochet ousting him, but Pinochet turned around and held onto power for almost 20 years. He also wasn't too big on fighting corruption, and did a lot of the stereotypical latin American dictator things. For example, when I was in Iquique, the family I was staying with pointed out this one hotel right on the beach that Pinochet had reserved entirely for himself during the Junta.

That's not to say that he's universally reviled. Right-leaning groups in Chile still love him. The problem is that patriotism and nationalism has generally been associated with him.
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>>588172
The best!

>pic related
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The Duvaliers were horrible and insane at the same time.
Papa Doc drove a political rival into internal exile and was told that the man used voodoo to turn himself into a black dog. Duvalier subsequently ordered that all black dogs in the country be killed.
He carved peepholes in the sides of his torture chambers so he could watch prisoners being gruesomely tortured (e.g. partially and repeatedly dipped in vats of acid).
He ordered his rivals decapitated and their heads packed in ice so he could receive them and talk to their ghosts. IIRC he demanded that his subjects worship him as a god and recite the Lord's Prayer in his name.
His son wasn't any better. He spent millions of dollars on a luxurious wedding while his country was starving and living in squalor.
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>>588151
Pol Pot was, in the interpretations of many historians, fascist. His policies starkly contrasted with those of all other self-proclaimed "communist" countries.
Also Chile eventually re-nationalized some industries and shortly afterward experienced economic growth.
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>>588206
Allende wasn't a Soviet agent.
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>>588599
Actually, he was purely ideological with no concerns given to pragmatism. The Khmer Rouge was like the ISIS of communism.
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>>588275
Forced meme, and boring at that. The Milhoue of /his/
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>>588626
*milhouse
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>>588607
>The Khmer Rouge was like the ISIS of communism.
Except Pol Pot had even less connection to communism than ISIS has to Islam, which is saying something.
>Ieng Sary: "We aren't communists."
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William Walker
William Walker (May 8, 1824 – September 12, 1860) was an American physician, lawyer, journalist and mercenary, who organized several private military expeditions into Latin America, with the intention of establishing English-speaking colonies under his personal control, an enterprise then known as "filibustering." Walker usurped the presidency of the Republic of Nicaragua in 1856 and ruled until 1857, when he was defeated by a coalition of Central American armies. He was executed by the government of Honduras in 1860.
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>>588603
Have a (You)
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>>588652
ISIS is properly islamic in fact.

>observing Shariah
>re-establishing the Caliphate
>destroying idols

If Muhammad raised from the grave tomorrow he would likely praise it.
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>>588677
>Nazis were totally socialists guys it's in the name HELLO
>Holy Roman Empire were totally a Roman Empire LIKE DUH
You have a very, very, very basic American cultural understanding of KR and Cambodia and should just pretending otherwise.
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>>588804
Nice try with the "but it's in the name!" Schtick. Saloth Sar actually came out of the French Communist party that he was a member of while studying at the Academie. So, he has legit French Gommie Bonafides. It's even theorized that the Nom de Guerre Pol Pot is a shortening of a french phrase. Additionally, their major state sponsor was the PRC (the origin of their contentin with Vietnam. They were officially Maoist while the Vietnamese was Marxist-Leninist)

And I mean really, How often do fascists implement mandatory farm collectivization?
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>>588151
Cambodia was literally the poorest country on earth in the stone age with its cities and towns almost universally carpet bombed in a secret war by the CIA by the time the Khmer Rouge came to power.

There is literally no way you can compare Cambodia with Chile which was at the time, already a developed country.
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>>588669
Absolute madmen
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>>586023
Paraguay before the war of the triple alliance was so crazy and so cool
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>>588833
>Making excuses this hard.
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>>586023
I wish that J Posadist and the Fourth International (Posadist) had taken over Argentina.

Is it even conceivable?
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>>588833
>Defending the Khmer Rouge
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>>588980
And then he throws a shit-fit when people call him a tanky.
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>>588167

Trujillo is far and away the best one, he even had the secret service spying on american congressmen taking compromising pictures of them which he then used to blackmail them to get american support for every shit he did.

He was ultimately assassinated in a CIA plan though, but after more than 30 years in power.
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>>586670
>Gomez
>Garcia
>Marti
>Maceo

Literally whole generation of Cuban rebels who were much more badass than these faggots worshipped by mentally ill people (leftists) and yet nobody remembers them because the other rebellion was much more recent.
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>>588206
>transitioned to democracy

That was his great error. Capitalism and democracy are incompatible. That's why Chile has been electing socialists like the rest of the Latin countries.
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>>589156
>Capitalism and democracy are incompatible.
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>>589168
Every single democratic country's long-term trend is toward statism. Only places that have sustained capitalism are places like Hong Kong and Singapore.
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>>589177
Based Hong Kong. Student surpassed the master (the British).
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>>588151
I actually agree, but it's a bad comparison since both regimes took place in completely different settings. Khmer for one basically happened indirectly as a result from the Vietnam war.
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>>588833
Noam pls
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>>589150
Is Frometa a well known rebel? He's my friends dad and apparently a big deal.
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Jorge Ubico was a crazy motherfucker, he used to give orders to cut hands if the police catch a thief
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>>588112
>He knew the menace of the gringos.
Thanks papa.
We will annoy the gringos until they pay for the crimes they have committed.
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