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Was he a bad person? He meant well, but his actions didn't translate into positive results.
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>>584040
He was like Louis XVI; not a particularly terrible king, but he ended up paying the price for his terrible predecessors.
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>>584053
He was too much of a romantic to be a king, much like Louis. He let his crown slip away from him.
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>>584040
He spent far too much time focusing on music and art and too little time focusing on politics.
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>>584053
This desu, senpai.

It didn't help that he had been raised (by said previous Tsars) to be a die-hard Tsarist Autocrat. He didn't want to compromise at all, and his father never taught him shit about politics. Feel pretty bad for him desu.
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>>584040
His mustache must have gotten in his food while he ate.
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>>584105
>His mustache must have gotten in his food while he ate.
It probably got into tons of Russian pussy too.
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>>584107
Nah, he was famous for his love of family. Though, it is thought that he may have gotten involved with a cougar when he was young and unmarried, IIRC.
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>>584059
>calling Nicolas ii romantic
>not one of the most dull, unimaginative but stubborn monarchs
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i love his cousin
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>>584110
>attractive (n-no homo)
>honors virtues of family
>staunch Christian man
If this dude lifted, he'd be Tsar of the world (and my heart).
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>>584150
>>584110
am i right to belive that Nick II was the Vlad Putin of the 20th century?
im pretty sure then alejandra romanova was the natalia poklonskaya too.
who do you think Rasputin is then?
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>>584053
>>584102
These.

>tfw reading about how he sent some of Russia's most sacred icons to inspire the troops/protect the fleet in the Russo-Japanese War
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>>585131
Trump?
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>Bolsheviks will defend killing sickly Alexei and four young girls in cold blood
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>>585146
nah, rasputin was russian
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>>585131
Nicky wasn't like Putin in any aspects, really.
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>>584040
Didn't he was the one that undo all liberal reform that was done by his father? Or it was his father?
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>>585194
He wasn't very liberal, but he didn't try to undo anything, afaik. He completely halted the persecution of the Old Believers, for one thing, and tried to smoke the peace pipe with them.
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>>585194
He tried to completely russify the country, even turning the ever loyal finns into rampaging terrorists shooting general-governors and killing cops. Finns became so unreliable they stopped bothering to draft them into Russian army.
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>>584040
He's pretty cute desu
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>>585131
>who do you think Rasputin is then?
Ramzan Kadyrov obv.
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>>585131

Putin is a slightly competent asshole. Nicky was a sweet guy tried his hardest to do what he thought was right and failed.
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>>584040
One of the worst and most useless Tsars we ever had.
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>>584040
>murders of these qt's is biggest crime of humanity
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>>584040
By all accounts he was a good person. He cared deeply about his family, the military, the church, the Empire, etc.

He got dealt a really shitty hand, I guess he wasn't the leader that Russia needed during really uncertain times. I have a feeling that perhaps Russia was too merciful towards revolutionaries and allowed the threat to grow. The amount of political murders during the time is staggering.
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>>584053
What terrible predecessors? The guys who freed the serfs or the ones who started industrializating Russia?
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>>584040
What evidence do you have that he actually meant well?

>By all accounts he was a good person. He cared deeply about his family, the military, the church, the Empire, etc.

Yeah he cared for institutions not actual people.

>He got dealt a really shitty hand,

He was the most powerful man in Europe in a country on the verge of the greatest modernisation since Peter the Great. He got dealt a fantastic hand.

> I have a feeling that perhaps Russia was too merciful towards revolutionaries and allowed the threat to grow. The amount of political murders during the time is staggering.

They weren't particularly merciful, any stricter and you would start getting into White Terror territory.
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>>584040
He may have meant well, but he was crminally negligent. He basically put no efgort into anything he did, as they were beneath him, and he was more interested in family life than ruling.

He should have abdicated in 1905. But he stuck around and never cooperated with the Duma, even when the Conservatives had power. And his method of choosing ministers was little better than his wife.


Miliukov was right in asking "Is this incompetence or treason?"
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He supported, but did not direct, violence against Jews in Russia.
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>>587239

>He was the most powerful man in Europe

There is some much wrong with that line The German Empire was way stronger than Russia at the time unless you mean powerful by the means as having enough people to use as canon foder then yes but Germany and Great Britian where way stronger than Russia and may I add that had lost to Japan in a war a couple of years prior the only people that are allowed to lose to Japan and not be disappointed is China.
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>>587347
>There is some much wrong with that line The German Empire was way stronger than Russia at the time unless you mean powerful by the means as having enough people to use as canon foder then yes but Germany and Great Britian where way stronger than Russia and may I add that had lost to Japan in a war a couple of years prior the only people that are allowed to lose to Japan and not be disappointed is China.

Read my post again I didnt say most powerful country but most powerful man. He had far more control of his nation than the Kaiser did by far, he was the last great autocrat of Europe.
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>>584040
Was he even ethnicly Russian?
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>>587367
>monarchs
>ethnically anything

Literally all of them are mongrels
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>>587359
You should have said that anon.
I take back my comment and sorry for any hard feelings
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>>587347
Maybe use a bit more punctuation? Do you talk like that?
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>>587437
Nope I mostly talk in short sentences unless about a topic which I know about.
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>>585152
The Romanov line needed to be exterminated in order to prevent the Whites having a central rallying point and to prevent them being captured and used as such by the whites

End of the day death to Kings and tyrants their ilk are not needed, nobles who did not recognize and pledge undying allegiance to the proletarian dictatorship (Brasilia for example did) deserved to die for their treasonous White Guardist tendencies
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>>587576
*Brusilov
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>>587373
>Literally all of them are mongrels

Literally all of the were Germans
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>>587106
Too bad free helicopter rides didn't exist back then :(
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>>587600
If you go far down the Romanov line you can find every sort of ethnicity.
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>Was he a bad person?
Yes he was.
>He meant well
I'm not sure how forceful russification of a people, denying them their rights, breaking the Solemn Assurance of the Sovereign can possibly mean "He meant well"
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>>587633
fuck off you red piece of shit
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>>587641
>red
Finnish, politically "white" nationalist.
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>>584040

Did he have a hand in the assassination of Stolypin? If yes, fuck him.
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>>587576
That still doesn't justify murdering children. Also, Bolsheviks murdering children gives the Whites the moral upper hand. Face it, the Bolsheviks were a morally wrong organization from the start. Apart from the Romanovs, they also destroyed Makhno's commune, commenced the Red Terror, and used chemical weapons against civilians.
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>>587673
>morally wrong from the beginning
>the dictatorship of capital and feudal lords is morally right!
>imperialist war dindu nuffin
Bourgeois logic: not even once

>doesn't justify murdering children
Oh you mean how the progenitors of the Romanov butchered the Board, their children, and even their own family members who opposed their rule?
>but muh martyrs

>Makhnos commute
Ultraleft peasant bandits who hoard grain and starve the industrial proletariat are scum and got what they deserved

>red terror
Justified to suppress the old class. The White Terror in fact killed more people

>chemical weapon against civilians
The Tambourine kulak uprising was of bandits and hostile class elements
Fighting a brutal war with its necessary weapons is not wrong
And who invented chemical weapons?
The imperialists, who had no compunction whatsoever about using them on one another

Cry me a river, the Romanovs ruled by lead and by lead were they justly repaid
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>>587576

do you even hear yourself?
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>>584040
No, he was deceny. He just was caught completely unprepared for the war as it seems to be the general trend for Russia.
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>>587684

>If one organization is evil, than all other opposing organizations are necessarily good!!

are you literally 12?

>but they did the same thing so that makes it ok

no, you are murdering children

>The White Terror in fact killed more people

unknowable, and likely false

go back to >>>/tg/
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>>587576

>chidren NEED to be murdered for the glorious revolution to succeed
>hurrr why are commies always shown as the bad guys?!!?!
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>>587684

>calls anyone opposing the glorious revolution "bandits"

Litterally soviet propaganda 101 here.
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>>587659
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Bogrov

>Dmitry Grigoriyevich Bogrov (1887 – 24 September 1911) ... was the assassin of the Russian Prime Minister Pyotr Stolypin.


>Born Mordekhai Gershkovich Bogrov ... into a family of Jewish merchants in Kiev (Russian Empire), Bogrov, while simultaneously acting as an anarchist revolutionary, had been an agent of the Okhrana secret police since 1906, informing on the activities of Socialist Revolutionaries, Social Democrats and anarchists.

That was the Jews, faggot. The Czar was the one who put him there in the first place.
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>>587733
Yes and I sleep great at night :^)

>>587752
>so they are good
Moral equivalence isn't equal
Destroying the Romanov line to prevent the enemy, at the time within kilometres of Sverdlov, to get a single member of the family and thus somewhat unite was a risk not to be tolerated

>the Whites dindu nuffin
Except.they killed anyone with Bolshevik sympathies
The Bolsheviks did not do vice versa, as exemplified by General Brusilov and other old nobles who accepted Soviet power

>>587764
>>587772
>Oh wow I'm a child who can't into strategy
I bet that you support strategic bombing and dropping nukes on Japan, too

Yes, killing the family to annihilate a rallying point was justified. Look at the hype over the false Anastasia and you can see why

>but dey wasn't bandits because da Soviets is always liars
Ah ok, so the theft and hoarding of grain and of supplies of gold, of open Rebellion against legal Soviet power and engaging in acts of murder against Party members (and their families) are a justified "non-bandit" acts are OK so long.as.they arr against the Bolsheviks? Ah, I see the great moral fibre of the pro Tsarists and anarchobabbies already
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>>587796
>I sleep great at night

stupid people usually do

>Moral equivalence isn't equal

case in point
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>>584040
He wasn't a bad person. He was both insecure and ignorant. He wanted to prove himself a father of all Slavs and a true descendant of God, which caused him to make some really bad decisions such as entering the Russo-Japanese war with a completely outdated marine. The same goes for World War 1.

He was also unfortunate since Alexander III died while Nicholas II was still young and unprepared.
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>>587239
>He was the most powerful man in Europe in a country on the verge of the greatest modernisation since Peter the Great. He got dealt a fantastic hand.
Russia was a century behind all of Europe and was doomed to fail sooner or later.
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>>587874
>Russia was a century behind all of Europe and was doomed to fail sooner or later.

All empires are doomed to fail sooner or later, the point is that he had the perfect opetunity to spearhead the modernization process which was starting to pick up speed. He could have been remember as the Meji of Europe or a modern day Peter the Great if he used his power and clout to knock back the landed aristocracy a bit and build up and indigenous capitalist class and simmilar reforms.
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