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What does /his/ think of Parsis and Zoroastrians?
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This might be due to its status as a minority religion but I like its simplicity. "Good thoughts, good deeds, good words", no bullshit sectarianism like in Islam or Christianity.

Immigrant Parsis are kinda dumb for not accepting converts tho, considering how it dates back to a deal they made with the king of Bombay.
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>>573336
BTFO BY ALEXANDER AND THE ARABS

FUCK OFF ZOROKEKSTRIANS
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Zurvanism is interesting. It was basically an attempt to rationalize the original Zoroastrian creation myth, and why both good and evil exist in the first place.
>The "classic" Zurvanite model of creation, preserved only by non-Zoroastrian sources, proceeds as follows: In the beginning, the great God Zurvan existed alone. Desiring offspring that would create 'heaven and hell and everything in between,' Zurvan sacrificed for a thousand years. Towards the end of this period, androgyne Zurvan began to doubt the efficacy of sacrifice and in the moment of this doubt Ohrmuzd and Ahriman were conceived: Ohrmuzd for the sacrifice and Ahriman for the doubt. Upon realizing that twins were to be born, Zurvan resolved to grant the first-born sovereignty over creation. Ohrmuzd perceived Zurvan's decision, which He then communicated to His brother. Ahriman then preempted Ohrmuzd by ripping open the womb to emerge first. Reminded of the resolution to grant Ahriman sovereignty, Zurvan conceded, but limited kingship to a period of 9000 years, after which Ohrmuzd would rule for all eternity (Zaehner, 1955:419-428).
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>>573363
>"good thoughts,good deeds, good words"
so vague though.. what is "good"anyways?
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It's pretty much the original monotheistic religion.
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>>573336
absolutely retarded in that they refuse to take converts not because of their religious doctrine (in fact, in the days of the Sassanian empire , Zoroastrians were quite active in seeking converts) - but simply because back in the day, the Indian prince whom they sought protection under decreed that they were free to stay as long as they didn't try to convert the locals. for some reason , the Parsi Zoroastrians have stuck by this to this day because of "muh pure bloodline" and are doomed to extinction.
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>>573336
Why is it that authentic paganism has been wiped out in Europe but several pre-Islamic religions still exist in the middle east(Zoroastrians still exist in central Iran) ?

>inb4 "Achmed"
not even a Muslim but interested in this, especially since I always here "le Islam spread by sword " memes.
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>>573405
>monotheistic religion
>with strong dualism
Zoroastrianism never was a monotheistic religion, Judaism developed pure monotheism independently. If anything, Jews borrowed idea of Messiah and huge battle at the end of time, later reinterpreted by Christianity. Also Satan's role became more prominent by the early middle ages, turning Christianity almost back to dualism.
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>>573400
To ride, shoot straight and speak the truth
Moderation in worldly pleasures, both celibacy and lechery, gluttony and temperance is not encouraged
Charity and love for all human beings
Industry and honest toil
Forgiveness, mercy and tolerance

Arrogance, greed, petty quarrels, wrath and jealousy are discouraged
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My collection of Zoroastrian material for the interested:
https://mega.nz/#F!dIhi0Y5B!MwSi9d4DWxLerpoLAiPBzQ
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>>573418
Iranian Zoroastrians don't have the non-coversion doctrine

Sadly for them, apostasy in iran is punishable by death
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>>573450
hmm. it seems that they just propagate "don't be a dick" and "dont excess". Which is fair in itself. I think that they definitely influenced abrahamic religions
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>>573418
Parsi zoroastrians are too proud to ever allow converts, even tho the religion itself is of great appeal to many people.
I was curious, however, of the status of other Zoroastrians in the world.
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>>573466
Yeah though Zoroastrianism encourages the accumulation of wealth in a way Christianity doesn't (rich man, eye of the needle etc). That said Mazdakism rose out of Zoroastrianism and it basically taught proto-socialism and free love.
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wincest
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>>573570
The incest thing is over emphasised by paradox to give them game mechanics different from Muslims and Christians but damn if it isn't funny. I cheated and made a super fertile demigod character who became Saoshyant. Every duchy and kingdom was owned by one of my children. Three generations later and the family tree looked more like a gnarled bush, was funny af
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>>573394
Post this bait on a Youtube video and reel in the butthurt
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>>573570
>not using Persian faces DLC
get fucked pleb
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>>573454
Thank you! Very interesting reads. Starting rn
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Manichaeism >> Zoroastrianism

praise Mani
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>>573654
Thanks, m8.

I'd still be making threads here but it looks like those in charge of /his/ want esoterica over in /x/, which I'm not actually opposed to, I'd just like be here where the discourse is a touch higher.
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>>573570
whiteu piggu go home
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>>573475
Check out the book Heirs to Forgotten Kingdoms. The author visits Iranian Zoroastrians in both Iran and the UK as well as Yazidis, Kaffirs and Copts
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>>573765
what face pack is that? i thought i had them all but this looks different
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>>573785
horse lords culture pack or some shite
included the faces and a variety of troop skins in europe
fuck paradox
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>>573789
ugh i still have to get horse lords and that life one
every other month they try and squeeze another fifteen bucks out of me
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Parsis are annoying as fuck and fail to realize they're basically an indianized offshoot
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Satan worship.
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Who /MH DHALLA/ here?

http://www.avesta.org/dhalla/dhalla1.htm#chap2

http://www.avesta.org/dhalla/dhalla1.htm#chap1
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>>573825
Wrong!

It's angel worship that is their flaw! They worship the Creator *and* Angels (which are creations and thus not worthy of worship).
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>>573844
Why is the creator worthy of worship?
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>>573844
what angels
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>>573336
Christianity seems to be spookily derived from it
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>>573880
The Fravashis.
http://www.avesta.org/angels.html

>>573882
Yea, remember that the Three Wise-Men from the East were Zoroastrian Priests (Magi) from either Persia, Armenia or the northern Subcontinent. Pic related.
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>>573880
>>573923
The Yazata. The Fravashis are a subset of them, but the "angels" were basically mostly pre-Zoroastrian lesser deities that crept back into the pantheon.


>>573923
>Yea, remember that the Three Wise-Men from the East were Zoroastrian Priests (Magi) from either Persia, Armenia or the northern Subcontinent. Pic related.
That's a later tradition though. Initially it wasn't even sure if there were 3 of them. But Bar Hebraeus mentions their names (different from Caspar, Melchior and Balthasar) and they're definitely Persianate.


>>573882
In particular the idea of basic human dignity and free will is largely derived from Zoroastrianism via Judaism. The idea that Satan is God's enemy rather than his go-to dude for doing dirty work is influenced by them as well. The idea of a messiah might be too.
And remember that Cyrus the Great is the only non-Jew to be called "annointed of God" by the Old Testament.
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>>573923
>guardian angels
oh so the same thing as christianity, neat
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>>573969
>>573923

The idea of the God becoming an man and the apocalyspe triggered by this was somthing I found particularly close/
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>>573882
Judaism ripped off the entire "monotheism" thing from Zoroastrianism.

The polytheistic Israelite kingdom got it's ass kicked by the Babylonians. The Babylonians would take conquered peoples and move them away from their homeland and force them to marry Babylonians (Thereby breeding them out of existence). The cult of Yahweh had long been a force in Israel, but now it's followers were whipped into a frenzy, adamant that a messiah would come.

And one did. Cyrus the Great came by and kicked over Babylon like a sandcastle, freeing the captured peoples, namely the Jews. The Cult of Yahweh, now empowered by the whole "Hey, we were right about a man sent by a single god to come save us!" thing, slowly eradicated the cults of the other gods, even Yahweh's wives, taking the monotheism even further than the Zoroastrians.

Then, of course, Christianity comes along.

There is, by the way, a Jew who can read Biblical Hebrew that occasionally posts here. If you're curious about the Three Magi (Because translations are ass), I'd ask him. Hell, I'll ask him next time I see him posting.
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>>573363
>Zoroastrianism
>no bullshit sectarianism
kek
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>>574034
Examples? The only modern difference is between Parsis who don't accept converts and the rest who do
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>>573795
Just pirate them you moron
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>>573336
What are the best books it its theology?
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>>573397
>pic
That's not Zurvan though, faŠ¼, that's Aion.
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>>573430
Zoroastrianism isn't paganism.
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>>573777
>kaffirs
so...literally all non-Muslims?
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>>573336
Incest
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>>573405
>ahura mazda
>ahriman
>many amesha spentas
>many yazatas
>many fravashi
pretty much for monotheists
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>>574630
Nah I meant the Kalash people who follow a pre-Zarathustran Iranian religion. they were the baisis for the tribe in 'The Man Who Would be King'
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>>574702
You can start adding saints and angels to christianity (not to mention trinity) and make it non-monotheistic too.

Ahura Mazda has no equal entity.
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>>573363
They had their fair share of sectarianism historically, though.
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>>573445
>with strong dualism

Ahriman is not an equal to Ohrmazd in orthodox zoroastrianism and it literally cannot win. No dualism, that's for heretics and manicheans. Anyways, this orthodox zoroastrianism is fairly young so we can't know who was right when Zoroaster invented the whole show.
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>>573466

In Sasanian times (and those are the times where the texts we have were collected) zoroastrianism supported a caste/state society not so different from the indian one.

>>573507
And while it didn't have this eye of the needle thing, merchants were the lower caste. Lower than farmers. They didn't even have a big fire, unlike the other three states. This is why iranian merchants were often not zoroastrian.
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>>573731
This desu. Zoroastrians were good goyims. Mani was redpilled and hated jews.
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>>574640
Nice Jewish meme.
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>>574943
quite fascinating>>574943
pretty interesting actually. Their relgion, at a quick read through( wikipedia) really seems similar to Hinduism with zoroastrian elements.
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>>573923
Yfw Christianity is the fulfillment of both Judaism and Zoroastrianism
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>>573336
How do they actually practice these days?

Why werent they wiped out by islam?
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>>574519
word but i'm not aware there even are any extant sculptures or zurvan?
aion is the closest thing we've got imo
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>>574952
Mazda was an equal entity with Ahriman up until a certain point in its developmental history iirc.
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>>577389
Nope. Ahura Mazda was only equal to Angra Mainyu in Zurvanism, which was a version of the creed that was supported by the Sassanid empire. Before that, Ahura Mazda was stronger.
Unless you mean pre-Zoroastrian, or even early Indo-Aryan times, when they were just two deities, one belonging to the Asuras, and other to the Daevas, who were later demonized (pretty much the opposite of what happened in India).
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>>577789
But if Mazda was superior to Mainyu, then why would humanity have to adhere to the three pledges? Mazda would automatically be victorious and light would extinguish the darkness.

I thought the entire point was that it was a cosmic struggle that humankind needed to take part in in order to shift the balance in good's favor.
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>>577389
And Yahwe was a canaanite war god
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>>573363
Lol so basically you don't about it so you just project your own issues with other religions on to it? Scum like you think Buddhism is some great hippy equality thing as well
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>>577789
>Zurvanism, which was a version of the creed that was supported by the Sassanid empire

Sasanians persecuted zurvanites. Zurvanism was one of the forms of zoroastrianism that the Sasanians ended up erasing when they built the unified cannon.
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>>577809
Not following the creed of Zoroastrianism automatically puts you on Angra Mainyu's side. There's no neutral party in this war. Precisely because it's a battle than Angra Mainyu cannot win, you have to follow Zoroastrianism.

Why would you not side with Angra Mainyu if he is Ahura Mazda's equal?
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>>577992
I bet he is the kind that thinks that homophobia or mysoginy is an abrahamic thing.

Well, surprise, according to the Avesta the punishment for unwilling sodomy is lashes and for willing sodomy death.
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