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What are your favorite individual ships? What is your favorite historic fleet? What are your favorite battles and battle strategies?
Also, what ship is the most kawaii and why is it the Russian 'Novgorod?'
>What are your favorite individual ships?
motherfucking dreadnoughts. NAME A BETTER SHIP. For single ships, HMS Dreadnought, for paving the way.
>What is your favorite historic fleet?
Probably the US 5th fleet, also known as the Big Blue Fleet.
>What are your favorite battles and battle strategies?
Leyte Gulf, featuring the above US 5th fleet, because it was completely fucking balls to the wall.
a subsection of Leyte Gulf
the Americans were absolute madmen
>Also, what ship is the most kawaii and why is it the Russian 'Novgorod?'
Aurora is the qt ship tbqh senpai
beat me to it
I'm not sure what my favorites are. I've been reading recently about Russian east coast naval exploits, which really doesn't compare to the fuckery that the Brits, French, Americans, Japanese, etc. have been getting into. I was hoping I could learn a thing or two from those better informed.
(not that the Novgorod operated in the Pacific, it's just a meme ship from the Crimean War)
In early 1801 Britain faced a coalition of Northern states, masterminded by France, combined in hostile neutrality against Britain; Russia, Denmark, Sweden and Prussia. The British Admiralty ordered Admiral Sir Hyde Parker with a British fleet to the Baltic, Admiral Lord Nelson as his second in command, with the purpose of breaking up the confederation.
Nelson’s plan was that the British Fleet should attack the Russian squadron wintering in Revel, the Russian navy being the strongest and the dominant force in the Baltic. There was not however a trust between commander in chief and subordinate; Parker keeping Nelson at arm’s length. Negotiation with the Danes particularly exasperated Nelson; quintessentially a man of action; his flagship St George being cleared for action for a week.
On 23rd March 1801 Parker called a council of war at which the diplomats revealed that the Danish Crown Prince and his government, actively hostile to Britain, were not prepared to withdraw from the Confederation and that work was progressing on strengthening the defences of Copenhagen. Nelson urged attack without delay
On 26th March 1801 the Fleet moved towards the Sound, the gateway to the Baltic, and the great Danish fortress of Cronenburg. Preparing for the battle Nelson moved his flag to the smaller ship Elephant, 74 guns, whose captain, Foley, had led the attack at the Nile.
The plan required the commander in chief, Admiral Sir Hyde Parker, to advance from the North with the largest ships, pre-empting any relieving attack by the Swedish Fleet or a Russian squadron, while Nelson took his division into the channel outside Copenhagen Harbour along which the Danish ships were moored and, sailing northwards up the channel, attacked the Danish Fleet, whose main strength lay at the northern end of their anchorage around the powerful fortress of Trekroner, at the entrance to Copenhagen Harbour proper.
Admiral Sir Hyde Parker generously left the planning to Nelson, even offering him two more ships of the line for his squadron than Nelson had requested.
On 1st April 1801 Nelson carried out his final reconnaissance on the frigate Amazon. The captain of Amazon, Captain Riou, impressed him most favourably and Nelson resolved to give him a leading role in the attack.
On the night of 1st April 1801 Nelson drafted his final plans and briefed his officers while Captain Hardy ventured right up to the Danish ships in a long boat and took soundings
At 8am on 2nd April 1801 the assault began with His Majesty’s Ship Edgar leading the division from its anchorage and tacking from the Outer Deep into the Royal Passage. Immediately disaster struck Nelson’s division as Agamemnon, Nelson’s old ship, unable to weather the turn into the channel, ran aground on the shoal known as the Middle Ground. Polyphemus taking over Agamemnon’s lead role made the U turn into the Royal Passage and came under heavy fire from the Danish ship Provesteen.
The following ships, Isis, Glatton and Ardent, made the turn and anchoring engaged the Danish vessels they had been allocated.
Attempting to pass these ships Bellona grounded on the Middle Ground shoal, as did the following Russell. Stuck fast these ships fired on the Danes as best they could
Nelson in Elephant took the anchorage allocated to Bellona, with Ganges and Monarch anchoring immediately in front of Elephant. With the line in place the battle fell to a slogging gunnery match between the British ships and the Danish ships and batteries, floating and land, which lasted some two hours.
To the North the commander in chief listened with increasing anxiety as the large ships of the line in his squadron beat slowly down the channel, the wind fair for Nelson but contrary for them. Seeing the intensity of the battle, Sir Hyde Parker concluded that he should Nelson the opportunity to break of the action and hoisted the signal to disengage, giving the battle its most famed episode.
“Do you know what’s shown on board of the commander in chief? Number 39, to leave off action! Leave off action! Now damn me if I do.” Turning next to his flag captain, Nelson said “You know, Foley, I have only one eye. I have a right to be blind sometimes.” Nelson then raised his telescope to his blind eye and said “I really do not see the signal.”
By 2pm much of the Danish line ceased firing, with ships adrift and on fire, several having surrendered, their captains on board Elephant.
Captain Thesiger, a British officer with extensive experience of the Baltic after service in the Russian navy, went ashore with correspondence from Nelson to the Danish Crown Prince inviting an armistice. During the negotiations only the batteries on Amag Island, at the southern end of the Danish line, the Trekoner fortress and a few ships continued to fire.
The next morning Nelson went aboard the Danish ship Syaelland, anchored under the guns of the Trekoner, and took the surrender of her captain Stein Bille, who refused to strike to any officer other than Nelson himself. British gunboats took the Danish vessel in tow to add to the clutch of Danish ships that had been taken in the battle. 19 Danish vessels were sunk, burnt or captured. Just before the battle, on 24th March 1801, the Tsar of Russia, Paul I, was murdered by members of the St Petersburg court and replaced by his anti-French son. The effect of the Battle of Copenhagen and the Tsar’s murder was to bring about the collapse of the Northern Confederation.
>how come the ottomans keep dominating the mediteranneans even after losing the battle of lepanto?
"But the defeat at Lepanto, despite being much celebrated in Europe, was only a temporary setback: it could not reverse the Ottoman conquest of Cyprus, and within a year, the Ottomans built an equally large fleet, which in 1574 conquered Tunisia from Spain. This completed the Ottoman conquest of North Africa, following the operations of the Ottoman fleet under Turgut Reis which had earlier conquered Libya (1551); and of the fleet under Salih Reis which had conquered the coasts of Morocco beyond the Strait of Gibraltar in 1553."
They still had naval supremacy and the resources to build more fuckheug fleets
The USS Ronald Reagan, with sailors manning the deck as they provide humanitarian aid to survivors of the 2011 Tohoku earthquake.
They were flying helicopters. and it was just for a photo op, they didn't stand around all day lol
Ahem. USS George Washington sailing into a nice sunset off Guam
USS John C. Stennis, Charles de Gaulle, USS John F. Kennedy, and HMS Ocean.
USS Abraham Lincoln on deployment with the US 7th fleet in the South China Sea.
USS Theodore Roosevelt, referred to as "The Big Stick" by its crew.
USS Harry S. Truman, on a dark and stormy night.
USS Carl Vinson, sailing to United States Fleet Activities Yokosuka in Japan.
>when you realized all navies are just glorified pirate bands
fuck, here is the pic. good night, fellow /his/torians
>tfw Beatty didn't die at dogger bank
>went in to fuck everything up at jutland
>along with his wife ran a black pr campaign against jellicoe
>was a cuck
Who is your least favourite naval commander /his/?
>In early 1801 Britain faced a coalition of Northern states, masterminded by France, combined in hostile neutrality against Britain; Russia, Denmark, Sweden and Prussia.
They were literally neutral countries that tried to stay out of the war and had nothing to do with France
Am I looking at some fanfiction by a British dude who fantasize about Britain facing powerful coalitions like France did instead of always cowering on the most numerous side?
>didn't even last 24 hours against the Americans
W E W
>Am I looking at some fanfiction
The Second League of Armed Neutrality or the League of the North was an alliance of the north European naval powers Denmark–Norway, Prussia, Sweden, and Russia. It occurred between 1800 and 1801 during the War of the Second Coalition and was initiated by Paul I of Russia. It was a revival of the First League of Armed Neutrality (1780), which had been quite successful during the American War of Independence in isolating Britain and resisting attempts to interfere with their shipping. The Second League was less successful than the First.
The Second League was intended to protect neutral shipping against the Royal Navy's wartime policy of unlimited search of neutral shipping for French contraband, in an attempt to cut off military supplies and other trade to the First French Republic. The British government, not yet anxious to preserve Russian goodwill, openly considered it a form of alliance with France and attacked Denmark, destroying parts of its fleet in the first Battle of Copenhagen and forcing it to withdraw from the League. Britain also occupied the Danish West Indies between March 1801 and April 1802.
1) Battle of Helgoland Bight (August 1914)
>V. Admiral David Beatty leads five battle cruisers and destroys half a squadron of German light cruisers.
2) Flight of "Goeben" and "Breslau"
>pair of German battle cruisers evade French, British patrols and escape into Dardanelles
>entices Ottoman Turkey to join Central Powers
>ships purchased by Turks then later raid Russian ports in the Black Sea.
3) Battle of Coronel (Nov, 1914)
>based von Spee's Far East Squadron travels 15 000 miles across Pacific and defeats Cradocks's squadron of armored cruisers.
>Germany's first decisive naval victory, Cradock killed along with 1570 men. Not a German ship was lost.
4)Battle of Falklands (Dec 8, 1914)
>Royal Navy revenge for Coronel
>Von Spee killed along with most of his squadron
5) German High Seas Raiders (1914-mid 1915)
>Light cruiser "Emben" sinks 16 allied ships and attacks oil depot, destroying 346 000 tons of fuel in Indian Ocean.
6) German raids of English coast (Nov-Dec 1914)
> Based Franz Hipper's battle cruisers raid Yarmouth, Hartlepool and Scarborough.
>First time British citizens were killed on home islands as a result of enemy navy
7) Battle of Dogger Bank (Jan, 1915)
>Beatty races out to confront Hipper
>battle cruiser vs battle cruiser has Hipper flees back to Germany
>German armoured cruiser "Blucher" sunk
>convinces Wilhelm to deactivate the fleet and thus Germany turns to u-boat to weaken maritime blockade.
8) Dardanelles (March-April, 1915)
>Churchill's plan to reinforce Russia and knock Ottoman Turkey out of the war
>combined British-French naval force attempts to force Dardanelles straits
>effective mine fields and mobile artillery stalls operation. Several capital ships damaged or sunk
>landings at Gallipoli undertaken to help navy through the narrows.
9) Jutland (May-June 1916)
>largest fleet action ever recorded
>250 surface ships (99 German vs 150 British)
>British losses heavier yet blockade remains in place.
>Turning next to his flag captain, Nelson said “You know, Foley, I have only one eye. I have a right to be blind sometimes.” Nelson then raised his telescope to his blind eye and said “I really do not see the signal.”
That's one of the most baller and most British things I've ever heard.
I rode on the grandson of this baby here:
>be tiny two-master
>break through British blockade of your country
>sail on up to the Isles
>declare the Brits to be under a one ship blockade
>take 17 ships before going home as national heroes
10) Battle of Otranto Straits (May 1917)
>AUS-HUN navy attempt to break Allied blockade of Adriatic
>moral victory for AUS-HUN than anything else.
11) Operation Albion (Sept-Oct 1917)
>taking advantage of Russian revolution, German fleet forces Gulf of Riga and Estonian islands.
>Russian Fleet forced to with drawal
12) Battle of Moon Sound (Oct-Nov, 1917)
>German battle cruisers, battle ships attack retreating Russian fleet.
>Russians outmatched, yet through mines and RN submarines manage to escape.
13) Zeebrugge Raid (April 1918)
>Royal Navy attempt to seal off u-boat and raider dens on Belgian coast
>Disappointing results yet hailed as an Allied victory
14) Scuttling of High Seas Fleet (June, 1919)
>German fleet surrender to British
>Assembled in Scapa Flow, German sailors sink their ships to avoid being sold to allies.
I've probably forgotten a few, like Beatty's sweeps of the Kattegat and AUS-HUN saboteurs in the Adriatic
[spoiler]oh and also the mutinies.[/spoiler]
Well done, sir.
Fun fact: one of the light cruisers that was shot up in the Falklands battle was sent for repairs to Esquimalt naval base, on the west coast of Canada. Over 8000 miles.
I still see bits of souvenirs from HMS Kent around antique stores from time to time.
Should also mention that it took the British several hours to defeat von Spee. His armored cruisers were pieces of crap compared to the British battle cruisers yet he gave them one hell of a fight.
Seriously, the naval stuff of FWW is amazing. I still do not understand how people can argue it wasn't important or some "secondary" theater.