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I'm new to /his/ and I'm wondering
Is there a consensus greatest General of all time?
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>>566225

Not really.

Alexander, Napoleon, and Genghis/Subotai are usually in the top contender spots.
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>>566228
Surely one has to have had bigger and better battles than the other?
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>>566237

And how do you separate that out from all the surrounding social, economic, cultural, demographic, etc factors? Napoleon by any objective measure had "bigger" battles than the other two I mentioned, but does that make him a better general? The mongols conquered more land, but you could argue that they didn't face the same caliber of opposition.

Any military endeavor has a whole host of interlinking details, of which generalship is only one of them, and arguably a one of lesser importance. Does your evaluation of Alexander's campaigns change when you remember that Xenophon dealt a huge, heavy blow to the Persians with roughly 1/4-/1/5 of the troops? Should it?
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Eurocentric, Alexander the Great.
Asian, Genghis Khan.
Americas, Either some Azten or Inca. Incas were amazing at building stone work.
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My current phone wallpaper
>motivational as FUCK
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Patton, analyzed German way of warfare and beat the Nazis at their own game
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>>566249
I guess you're right
So there's really no way to reach a conclusive answer huh?
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>>566225
Genghis and Khalid ibn Waleed

Only 2 Generals that never lost a battle
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>>566296

That's a stupid metric and not true factually for either of them.
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>>566261
>There is nothing impossible to those born into a family with an army of the highest caliber.

Fixed that for you.
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>>566237
I think Subutai wins in this case

>He directed more than twenty campaigns in which he conquered thirty-two nations and won sixty-five pitched battles, during which he conquered or overran more territory than any other commander in history.[1] He gained victory by means of imaginative and sophisticated strategies and routinely coordinated movements of armies that were hundreds of kilometers away from each other. He is also remembered for devising the campaign that destroyed the armies of Hungary and Poland within two days of each other, by forces over five hundred kilometers apart.
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>>566261
Must've been real nice to be handed the fucking well oiled war machine his father started.
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>>566296
>that post
>that picture

jesus christ
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>>566303
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JE SUIS LA NAPOLEON
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>>566225
Jan Zizka bitches
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>>566371

He lost twice in battles with Mohammad's forces, during the fighting between Mecca and the Muslims.

That doesn't mean he's not an amazing general, just not an undefeated one. In my personal completely subjective list of the greatest commanders of all time, I'd probably rank him #5.
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>>566249
You also have to take into account the scale you're looking at. Many great tacticians are terrible strategic thinkers, and many of the best strategic warfighters do so despite tactical ineptitude.

Take Phyrrus, for example. He was considered by many (including Hannibal) to be among the best generals in history. However, he was absolutely terrible at ruling kingdoms, meaning he was forced to withdraw from most of his campaigns not because of losing battles, but political and strategic factors.
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>>566465

You could actually apply much the same analysis to Hannibal himself: His entire plan against Rome hinged upon the assumption that a decisive defeat of Roman field armies would cause their allies to revolt and give him the sort of base he could use to besiege or assault the city, should that even prove necessary.
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>>566296
>Only 2 Generals that never lost a battle

That's such bullshit though. History is full of generals who never lost battles. Scipio Africanus is my fave general and he never lost a battle.
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>>566225
Subutai
Khalid ibn al Walid
Napoleon
Alexander

These are pretty consistently up there.

A few others get often mentioned
Hannibal and Scipio africanus
Sulla
Belisarius
Guo "chinky name I don't remember"
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>>566507

Guo Ziyi.
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>>566509
Sound lad
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Caesar>Scipio>Sulla>Pompey>Belesarius>Agrippa>Marius>Germanicus>>>>shit>>> Mark Antony
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My list is:

1. Napoleon Bonaparte
2. Hannibal
3. Alexander the Great
4. Genghis Khan
5. Erwin Rommel
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>>566797
Is naming Rommel the definitive sign that someone has no clue what he is talking about?
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>>566813
Yup. He's the ultimate meme general.
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>>566819

Patton can give him a run for his money on that score.
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>>566913
Patton isn't as bad because he doesn't have the Wehraboo allure to him. Circlejerking over Rommel is a sure sign that the someone has no understanding of WW2 beyond the very basic pop-history
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>>566913
Patton is only ever rated by americans, so he cant be at the top of the meme list
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>>566225
Two words: George Washington
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>>566932
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iVsdRbhnc
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>>566932
he was a horrible general and lost almost all his battles.
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>>566932
Watching deadliest warrior napolean vs washington is really retarded. They have this huge american circlejerk going on. I can't fucking watch american documentaries because their accent is fucking annoying, and they have to make good tv and not good information over there - as in they prefer making shit that makes them more money.
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>>566932
Look mom I can shitpost!
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>>567025
All of deadliest warrior is full on retarded.
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>>566949
King*
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Why is caesar getting overlooked? Better than Sulla, who in turn is better than everyone else
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>>566967
implying literally anyone could have done better in the shit hole of a cluster fuck that was the American Revolution.
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>>567131
>Better than Sulla, who in turn is better than everyone else
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Yes
Gaius Julius Caesar
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Why is there not more love for Alexander III of Macedon in this thread?
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Hannibal Barca.
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>>566797
>Rommel
>not even naming the objectively best German general
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>>567224

Because his conquests were about 90% confined to the Persian Empire, which was a paper tiger. Furthermore, both his army and a lot of his tactics weren't his, Phillip came up with them. Alexander's main contributions were in the pursuit, not the main phase of battle.
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>>567181
see >>567131
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Alexander wins the top spot, OP. Simply for the reason that literally every general that came after him studied his works and tactics afterwards.

Nobody prior to alex earned as much renown as he did
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Can Kongming join?
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>>567357

Only if you can separate out his actual accomplishments from the many layers of bullshit heaped on them in epics.
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The answer is Stormin Norman Schwarzkopf
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>>567314
First of all. You say that like the persian Empire wasn't the largest at the time, and that doesn't count the large amount of Asia he took in the brief amount of time the Earth was blessed with his presence.

In terms of his military tactics. As you have never specified i'm going to assume you meant his father, who died before any of the conquests took place.
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>>567178
Caesar. Without knowing english or modern strategy.
Blindfolded
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>>567689
Bullshit. Caesers good. But I'm gonna need more than a vote of confidance to convince me he could just stroll into a continent he was unaware of with his troops out numbered and outgunned and turn shit around. While he was a master of phalanx and flanking, there is now way the American people of the time could stand up the the super power of the time that way.

In conclusion, Caesar would be out of his element in every way.
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>>566368
>jesus christ
Jesus is the greatest general of all time, he has like half of the world by now, especially if you're willing to include Islam.
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>>567724
Caesar wasn't just a master of roman warfare, he was a master of everything he put his hand at, be it personal, political or military gambit, charisma, etc.
He could probably just convince britain that they shouldn't even bother, cause Caesar was a god on earth.
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>>567428
Is that scar from getting his throat slit?
Also I want more modern(post WWI) generals.
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>>567178

Napoleon. His genius was unfucking fucked up situations.
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>>567073

Actually Prime Minister*

It was parliament that the rebels had a beef with, not the king. Not until he took parliament's side, anyway.
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>>566351
>>566313

>I educate myself with Dan Carlin memes and feel smug about it

Please don't do that.
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>>566296

Alexander never lost a battle either, or Scipio Africanus. Don't think Wellington did either, but I could be mistaken. Gustavus Adolphus is another one.
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threadly reminder that it is pronounced as 'chingis han'

thanks, carry on
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>>568501
gang-giss kahn, faggot
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>>568317
>Don't think Wellington did either, but I could be mistaken.

Dude, he lost tons of them, why do you think it took him 6 years to take Spain (a secondary theater)?
Here are some of his worst
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>>566932
>>567025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ssbgJ3D6cw
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>>566228
> Forgetting my boy Walid?
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>>568501
I know its correct but it sounds retarded I'm sticking to Genghis
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>>566296
Sulla never lost a battle

he almost got rekt at the Colline Gate but Crassus saved him
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>>567749
that is pure speculation based on his natural learning prowess. I agree Caesar was an impressive intellectual, but that dosen't change the fact that he would have no idea what the hell was going on.
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>>569367
Not really, there is documentation of some of his personal exploits.
Like how he lured pirates into taking a higher ransom on him so he could get more booty, since he was assured the rights to lead the military retribution. then used that money to fund his political career.
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>>566249
A* post senpai
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