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What is the significance of this Rock? Why do the British have rights to this Rock? What is the symbolic gesture of possession and representation?
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We Wuz Rockz
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muh rocks
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>>566008
>What is the significance of this Rock?
Provides a base for control over a large swathe of area.

>Why do the British have rights to this Rock?
They don't, they're thieves.

>What is the symbolic gesture of possession and representation?
"We can take your land by force, and there's nothing you can do about it.".
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http://jahtruth.net/britspan.htm
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>>565997
Basically at one point in history Britain was relevant and had the best navy on the planet. So to make the most use out of it they set about controlling the most important straits there are, the straits of Gibraltar being the main one because they could completely blockade the entire Mediterranean. So to get control of it they negotiated it after a war with Spain.

However nowadays this is not the case and the only reason they still have it is because why give it up?
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>>565997
what is the biggest rock?
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>>565997
>What is the significance of this Rock?

It controlls access to the Mediterranean, or at least the western side of it.

>Why do the British have rights to this Rock?

It was granted to them by treaty in 1713, with the treaty of Utrecht.

>What is the symbolic gesture of possession and representation?

I'm not sure what you mean by this.
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>>565997
The British are obsessed with owning insignificant islands. They even try to imprint their rule in places they have nothing to do with like Malta or Cyprus.
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Correct me if Im wrong. But I've heard that the Rock symbolizes a superstition based around the Hebrews and stability. The Rock itself was unnaturally carved by a civilization way before mohammad. The rest of the area was mountainous how could they do such a thing thousands of years before? Now its plain. They were called the Pillars of the Phoenicians and represented a center of commerce to the mediterraneans. The stones from here were said have been used to build modern european civilization.

The Pillars of Hercules, in Homer's legend, were the two pillars on which Heracles, the original Greek form of the Roman mythical Hercules, mythically, fictitiously, pressed to separate Europe from Africa, and are today accepted as being two mountains at the mouth of the Mediterranean, where it meets the Atlantic Ocean, namely one on either side of the Straits of Gibraltar. (This is perhaps a Greek repetition of the Story of Sampson in Middle Eastern mythology, who was said to have brought down the building he was in by separating and shearing two of its columns.) Another myth concerns Hercules' theft of the Golden Apples, placing the giant, Atlas, and his task of supporting the weight of the world, at the "Pillars of Hercules".
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LOS GIBRALTAS SON ARGENTINAS
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>>566074
As a southern Spaniard, this was an interesting read. Thank you.
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When you're in school, they teach you about the Romans and Greek whom for the most part were said to be the originators of western civilization. This is bull. Who knows this stone may be true sinai peninsula. there is always a lie being said to deroute people.
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>>565997
>control of the Straits of Gibraltar, ability to monitor all exit and entry of the Mediterranean (until submarines and Suez canal -- but still pretty strategic)

What more is there to say?
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A non-exhaustive list of all the large rocks Cockroach Britain has stolen at some point:

Gibraltar
Falklands
Corfu and other Ionian Islands
Malta
Saint Helena
Saint Lucia
Antigua and Barbuda
The Bahamas
Grenada
Cyprus
Crete
Mann
Ireland
Papua
New Zealand
Australia
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>>566064
>The British are obsessed with owning insignificant islands.

>tfw
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>>566100
I can't believe I forgot to name Ceylon, Hong Kong and Singapore.
Also Mauritius, Fiji...
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>>566023
found the Spaniard
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>>566100
>implying that any of those territories still held by britain would be better off by themselves.
just imagine antigua and barbuda in the same condition as haiti
also: falklands were colonised when no one lived there and then they also won a war to deserve it. stop saying they are not british
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>>566092
the phoenicians didn't own land just little post. But this may be bs because as they forget Rome and Greeks were always at war. And the Iberians were another people they tried to enslave. It is said that in order to stop the migration of mediterraneans to the nordic countries. They completely covered the mouth of a river that cut iberia in two. It shows Racism all the way. You know why they call southern egypt, upper, and northern lower? Because its Eurocentric, focusing on the expansion of the invaders.

The Iberians if history is true have over 3000 years of conquistador history. The first conquistadors, the hebrews, the eberians. Son of heber.
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>>566064
>The British are obsessed with owning insignificant islands.

It reminds them of themselves.
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>>566140
>You know why they call southern egypt, upper, and northern lower?
Because rivers flow downhill you autist.
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>>566100
Having insignificant land is very important. Let's say you have a book. Let's use Israel for example. It began at the hands of the Brits, then U.S. Then Russia got deeply involved. So lets say they take the 'jews'. A post creation built on false testaments. And let's say a crowd finds out a about it. The brits can just say hey these people are authentic, i got them from these islands and they deserve to be there. So latin america is and was important to both the U.S and Russia because if some shit goes down with Israel and the arabs. To easen tensions they will begin creating spanish names for israelis, giving the hispanic identities. and relocate them back.
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>>566100
You forgot Rockall, m'lad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sitNEVednCs

May the seagulls rise and pluck their eyes.
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>>566171
having authenticity in hand yet following through a geo-political strategy, a false strategy. Using straw men whose names were commodities or position, the most common of all surnames. And moving them to a land on false necessity but proves to be some spiritual birth right due to emotional stress. The end will justify the means. thats all. you'll see a lot of jews practice eugenics via marriage, by marrying hispanics. not through love just necessity to prove authenticity. there are markers, you can play with genes but they game leaves a shadow. that's all.
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>>566140
>You know why they call southern egypt, upper, and northern lower
or, maybe OR becose the upper egypt was UPPER and the lower was LOWER you piece of cumshit, just like you can call you brain your upper ballsack and your testicles your lower ballsack
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>>566140
>You know why they call southern egypt, upper, and northern lower? Because its Eurocentric, focusing on the expansion of the invaders.

You fucking mongs will blame colonialism for anything

It was named such by the Egyptians themselves because based on the perception of sailing up the river Nile, not because of the focus of le evil white man's expansion you dumb fuck.
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>>566177
wait didnt the brits invent rock and roll? no wait they just invaded the american rock...
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>>566082
>moroccan peasant enchanted by fairy tales
typical desu
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>>566193
ahh so you are looking due south
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>>566023
The British have rights to the Rock because they captured it during the Spanish Succession War, fighting on behalf of one of the would-be successors to the Spanish throne. They eventually were granted rights to the Rock in perpetuity in the Treaty of Utrecht (1713, a result of the same war mentioned above). The British do not hold political or civil dominion over the territory, but they do maintain military rights (and maybe something else but I don't remember).
Gibraltarians are a fairly mixed cultural group, but in referunda have consistently and overwhelmingly opposed Spanish sovereignty.
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>>566220
Let's cocreate reality. Because thats the best concept to start the new world order. A more peaceful agreement of what is what.
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>>565997
They are the pillars of Hercules and a strapping young Moroccan crossed it to conquer some Vandal barbarians and civilize them and give them a better religion
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>>566240
We did not write this story. We need something to end all this racist bullcrap.
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>>566253
You know it is said, that the vandals themselves never set up an empire. And most likely were a subgroup that subserved a larger tribe in an area. They'd go in, damage information, do whatever their nature desired and left. Then the other tribes set up post, for their empire. emissaries of sorts.
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>>566240
wat?
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>>565997
>significance
Gibraltar is at the entrance to the Mediterranean, which as you might imagine, is more than a little strategically important.

Especially for a nation (formerly) dependent on control of the seas.

>Why do the British have it
There was a war. The Brits grabbed Gibraltar in the peace deal.

"In perpetuity" according the treaty.

>symbolism
Spain wants the place because it's, you know, kind of geographically attached to them, and they'd kinda love to have what was theirs a few centuries back.

Britain wants to keep it because they still like to think of themselves as an empire. Plus like, the treaty DOES say "in perpetuity".

TL;DR National Pride.


Personally, I'm of the opinion the Gibraltarians should choose their own fate. And according to the 2002 "should the UK and Spain share Gibraltar" referendum, 98% don't want to head on back to Spain.
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>>566364
>Personally, I'm of the opinion the Gibraltarians should choose their own fate.

This, frankly. The British and the Spanish can talk shit all they want but when it comes down to it, it's down to the folks that live there.
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>>566390

I'm sure there is some sort of meaning to be deciphered from this post.
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>>566390
so now they have like a whole bunch of people who are welsh descended people, saying they are scots-english or nordic. They forgetting something. lol.
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>>566398
ever wonder why the beginning degrees in freemasonry are nothing but hispanic culture studies? You know who paid for those and mandated it?
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>>566400
as well as irish descended.
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>>566401
>beginning degrees in freemasonry

you absolute madman. tell me more.
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>>566409
everyone gets it twisted. some replicate it, while others live it. Everything in England was basically a replication of the Spanish, not the Italians. No one conquered it.
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>>566425
They say in no other language is the bible more accurate than in castillian because got control of rome via change of information. Arabs preferred to trade with Spaniards than with the English or Italians themselves. Africa exports what? The Spaniards had a wholeee bunch of it.
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>>566433
They can't say the hispanics in the U.S have native admixture, they do, everyone knows. But when it becomes a debate everyone will say, the natives were here first.
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>>566425
>Everything in England was basically a replication of the Spanish
Aren't english people descended from the anglo-saxons, from which they get their name?
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>>566409
they get mad and its irritating because it brings discredit to their world. As they say in Europe, there is no man with much more pride than a Spaniard. Rome preached Italic ideals and God, Greeks called themselves God. The Spanish wrote themselves praises.
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>>566446
Spaniards sound like dicks. I should be glad that they don't have Gibraltar, right?
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The British own about 30 square feet on the Big Island in Hawaii near Captain Cook's lagoon.
>tfw Finding Nemo cgi shots were filmed in England
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>>565997

Our rightful clay perfidiously stolen by the britshits

>tfw Reconquista isn't yet finished

But it will. :>
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>>566475
>Locals often point out that the memorial stands on land that is still British territory, but in fact it is only owned by the British government and is really part of the United States.
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I mean... They're free to join Spain (or should be at least) but lets be honest here. They can be attached to the Spanish economy or the British economy. Not really much of a contest there.
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>all these butthurt hispanics whining about land they lost in wars, or land they never owned in the first place
reminder that gibraltar voted to stay part of the UK, because they knew they'd be better off.
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>>565997
Because nothing makes you feel relevant like an entire country getting mad at you. Especially when it's over something as petty as holding onto a minuscule portion of land.
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>>565997
A symbol of the friendship between Britain and Spain, that they gladly allow us to use this strategically significant plot of land to help in the defense of democracy and our shared ideals.

Some say it should be given back and if the population of Gibraltar will it then Britain will return it to Spain as they would return the Falklands to Argentina if the natives requested it.

Britain had done literally nothing wrong, God Save the Queen.
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>>566064
The Maltese didn't want the Brits to leave. They actually voted YES on staying under British rule. The Brits were in full cuck mode in the mid 60s though, so they left anyway.
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>>565997

>Gibraltar will ALWAYS be British
>The Falklands will ALWAYS be British

There is no feel as glorious as knowing you have secured permanent and enduring raging Hispanophone asspain for all eternity

god bless this country
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>>566034
Wat
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>>565997
>What is the significance of this Rock?

choke point into the mediterranean, and therefore an extremely important tactical location for military control of trace and passage during the Age of Sail.

>Why do the British have rights to this Rock?

The Treaty of Utrecht, 1713, after the War of Spanish Succession.

>What is the symbolic gesture of possession and representation?

not much. but if spain wants it back its going to be a rather messy situation, because that same treaty which granted Gibraltar to the UK, also granted Catalan to Spain. And Catalan is a lot bigger, a lot richer, and a lot more important than Gibraltar, and rather keen on gaining independence from the rest of Spain.
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all this british hate gives me an erection.

>my mere existance causes 3rd world shitholes like france, germany, argentina, poland america and israel to get irrationally upset.
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I'll just leave this here.
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anyone know what gibr may mean in a semitic language. What are its roots?
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>>568805
giber? remember g sounds like h in spanish.
is it an altar to hiber's people?
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>>568812
>The name Gibraltar is the Spanish derivation of the Arabic name Jabal Ṭāriq (جبل طارق), meaning "Mountain of Tariq". It refers to the Rock of Gibraltar, which was named after the Umayyad general Tariq ibn-Ziyad who led the initial incursion into Iberia in advance of the main Umayyad force in 711 under the command of Umayyad Caliph Al-Walid I. Earlier, it was known as Mons Calpe, one of the Pillars of Hercules.

what the fuck is going on in this thread anyway?
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>>568769
Wow Spain has no right to complain. They have another North African exclave IIRC.
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>>568823
doesn't sound right. knowing the moorish sense of control. they felt prideful over the accomplishments of other tribes. It was honorable thing for them, so they'd just arabicize it. Plus it is a historical place. Because it was the mediterranean sea farers way out and in. those guys came to americas and africa way before rome and greek rewrote history. the romans/greeks praised their work and strength they made a shrine to hercules there...because they carved the whole area out., just to say it was home.
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>>568937
the africans and mediterraneans from the south hated europe so much they brought monkeys to the area just to say they were a similar people through history. so the nordics said that africa begins at the pyrenees.
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>>568937
there was also another way out of the mediterranean into nordic country.
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>>568952
they spoke a dialect called hebraic-canaanite, not the other way around. gibr-phoenician.

Why is the star of david always used to connote israel...because they lived by the star and died by the star, the seafarer life. The enemies knew what star they followed in order to travel to the other side of the mediterranean where they had ports.
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>>568963
and merchants waiting.
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>>568963
israel was not home. it was the connection to the east. especially when they brought good from west africa, atlantic island and even modern day america. It was a major transfer spot.
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>>568972
the phoenix was the phoenicia they burned to ash by destroying their history but the phoenicia tale lives on and resurrects to take flight.
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>>568984
the jews of the time were divided by their loyalty to a kingdom. and they made a religion out of politics. what tribe gets to trade what, who gets to be the artists who gets to farm, who gets to fight battles, who does the construction. focusing on material and not the spirit because there were persians there still trying to maintain trade.
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>>568223

No. The will of the Gibraltarians is irrelevant in this situation because Gibraltar is a colony and therefore the alien inhabitants are the civil equivalent of a military occupation force.

They can fuck off back to wherever they came from though.
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>>569024
The will of gibr's people is written in the bible. In both testaments. They are people who are said to live once more. Written by the prophets of muslims, christians and even jews. Cosigned by God. Edited by romans, greeks, and persians.
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>>569050
Even Hitler held that testament and said they were the best european soldier. Hes never seen a soldier more heartless than them. And he was in world war 1 and moved from location to location and witnessed them.
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>>569050

That became invalidated with the appearance of the Holy Book of Reconquista and other Removal Revelations.
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>>569060
They may have been abstinent as a country but they sent soldiers to every side just to say. Hey we fought for no reason but just to give help.
All the americas belonged to spain and portugal and it was their claim as stated in Rome. The pilgrims came to the americas by pleading help from the spanish and Portugal. Saying they were a religiously oppressed. They even spent time in continental Europe. In area like Netherlands with a giber population just so they could get papers. Even the founders of new amsterdam got papers through the gibers.
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>>569079
The english didnt sink the whole armada. The armada was in the middle of the atlantic ocean, looking for visas and charging tariff. And it had thousands upon thousands of ships. Not a small envoy of just 100 or so.
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>>569079
When columbus set sail. The sentence spelled out by the name is all these bitches put up a facade.
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>>569096
In honor of the fertile crescent.
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>>566140
>You know why they call southern egypt, upper, and northern lower?
Because the closer you are to the source of the river the "lower" you are in geographical lingo.
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You know what they Brits like Gibraltar because historically people poke fun at eachother. And they do believe that was a hebrew zone. It made a statement, "I brought it up, I can bring it down." "Si la montana no va a maoma, maoma va a la montana." So the Anglos have the same cabalistic mind, like the titanic being exploded just to celebrate the 100th year of the war of 1812. With the richest person in the world in it. So when the fall of WTC occurred, the ultranationalist and extremist english named the group Al Qaeda, so on the way back they can name it La Caida.
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>>569141

Its actually the other way around.
Next to the river mounth, low, next to the source, high.
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>This anti-Brit butthurt
I'm lovin' it
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>>569285
at least they are posting actual arguments and theories rather than /pol/ memes and buzzwords.
this is all rather refreshing in comparison.
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>>566390
We have the Pentagon's top cryptologists working 24/7 trying to figure out what the fuck you just said
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>>569285

>antibrit?
But arent they just posting nonsense?
A nonsense related to some retarded shitty thread about Med Civilizaton made yesterday?
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ireland's name is hibernia, why is that?
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Short answer, territorialism. It's a historic as fuck landmark turned tourist attraction. According to Wikipedia:

The Rock of Gibraltar was one of the Pillars of Hercules and was known to the Romans as Mons Calpe, the other pillar being Mons Abyla or Jebel Musa on the African side of the Strait. In ancient times, the two points marked the limit to the known world, a myth originally fostered by the Greeks and the Phoenicians.
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>>569311
why were they referred to as the tribe of dan?
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>>569311
>hibern
>hibernate
B/c they get pissed and then sleep it off
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>>569339
from the land of the most blessed holy mother. You couldn't find greener pastures than that.
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>>569357
Egypt used slaves to open up the strait. As Greek legend says, it was just a lake. And they would dock their vessels on shores and enslave them. The phoenicians as they called themselves, were the people of liberty of their day. They learned to navigate the seas. And would help out slaves by taking them to other lands.
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>>569384
So they gained the respect and admiration of many peoples and they even mixed. They were from the land of heber.
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>>568522
Yeah but the point is what were they doing there in the first place
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>>569391
So when you read the bible. You read the bible canon, from the phonetic, knon.
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>>569449
So Pindar called them the Straight of Gades. The tribe of Gad. The secrecy lies in the route.
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>>569399
Ever wonder how Egypt operated, it's similar to the Anglo empire? You have to remember they started their empire via seafaring. They got control of both waterway--the rise to fame of the Greeks wasnt until they conquered
Egypt and that happend thousands of years after Egypt even began. So you ask how did these people gain power if they lived in a desert . Technically had nothing. They did nothing but enslave and control the water route. And in order to balance out their maat since they had so much, they decided to live it out in a desert and construct in a desert, since their enemies had no use for a desert, except both waterways.
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>>569704
The Brits were the same way until America and Canada came to power. And they felt indebted to the British empire and like co-heirs.
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>>568800
Don't forget Melilla!
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>>566100
>>566116
>Gibraltar
small area yet strategically important. who the fuck cares if some spics don't own a tiny plot of land
>Falklands
uninhabited, now populated by Brits
>Ionian islands
given back to Greece
>Malta
strategically important again, no harm done to locals, given independence.
>Carribean islands you mentioned
A lot more comfy and well off as appossed to any other islands there
>Cyprus >what is strategic naval base
>Mann
island in the middle of British isles are you fucking kidding me
>Ireland
fenian basterds who won't unite with Britain who cause their own shit
>NZ & Aus
yea they sure would have been better off if they were left to be ruled and developed by natives like madigascar
>Hong Kong and Singapore
literally the gems of 21st century Asia. I'm sure the Brits had no influence on this
>Fiji
Bretty good water M8
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>>566043
This is not true, they got control of this province after they beat spain and france after the spanish succesion war, it was a way to make sure that there wouldnt be a complete bourbon rule from the north sea to the mediterranean.
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>>570332
Yes, in other words they wanted to control the Mediterranean and didn't want France to.
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>>566057

I appreciate your answer, Anon.
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>>566023

Huehuehuehuehue
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