Who was the most impressive human being in recorded history?
Some names I was considering:
>Gauss, Newton, Einstein, Michelangelo, Beethoven, Shakespeare.
He’s is the best philosophy I know, and one of the few that is really worth learning and practicing. Along with scientific knowledge, art appreciation, healthy social and love relations and physical exercise the study and practice of his living philosophy is one of the most salutary and valuable things one could do. Most philosophies and credos age really badly and are eventually disproven by science, but Buddha’s ideals (the most ancient of them, those of the original teacher, those that are more of a how-to-live-well guide than a religion, the writings of the time that Buddhism was an idea, not a organized world religion) are still worthy and I guess that will ever be.
One of the best and most perfect ways to achieve serenity of mind and happiness is by the reading of this man’s teachings and the practicing of his ideals, and I guess that is really significant when we acknowledge the fact that most people, no matter how well they live, tend to suffer with real or imaginary problems.
Buddha's practical how-to-live philosophy is great but I don't think it's unique. Epictetus and the stoics came up with a very similar philosophy independently.
Can't really speak to the metaphysics and more esoteric parts of Buddhism.
Napoleon was simply the biggest badass ever to live. He managed to rock the world so hard in just 10 years we're still reeling from it. It took every major military on the planet and multiple wars to bring him down, and even then they just managed it by the skin of their teeth.
>Be random nobody from a nobody tribe.
>Become leader of tribe
>Unify and create a culture
>Conquer most of the world
All those other Conquerors who were Kings or Aristocrats are cucks by comparison.
I would say Shakespeare.
Language and writing are two of the greatest inventions of humanity, and are part of several civilizations for thousands of years. The great writing has always been praised through the ages, and through the ages all reasonably educated people could read and write. Today millions of people can do it.
Among all those minds who can read and write it was Shakespeare's writing that reached the highest rank of creation and beauty.
His metaphorical language and verbal texture is more beautiful and inventive of all time. Everything he says in his plays had been said before, but never so beautifully, never in a language as full of sap and movement as his.
He created more than a thousand characters, with men and women, rich and poor, old and young specimens in his gallery.
Despite never having created new original philosophical theories or systems of thought, Shakespeare addressed various situations of life and human society, exhibiting great knowledge of popular wisdom. He did not let himself be ruled by any specific way of thinking, by no creed: he accepted anything according to the work in question, and changed flesh and soul with the variety of the chameleon.
Stoicism and Buddhism have quite a bit in common but Buddhism is a broader and more comprehensive system imo.
Epictetus is amazing but he didn't really get as far as the Buddha in terms of discovering the true nature of causality and "emtpiness", which I think are amongst the greatest discoveries any human has ever made.
Julius Caesar, if not for the numerous fields.
>Be considered often among the top 5 generals in history
>Be considered one of the greatest writers and orators of all of your languages' history
>Rose from relative obscurity to becoming the most powerful man in the world
>Name has literally meant "ruler" since your death IE Czar, Kaiser, Qaisar, Tsar etc.
>Fucked everyone's wives, and Cleopatra too (Nicomedes be damned)
>Conquered in Gaul, Egypt, Greece, Italy and Spain.
>Sailed into Britannia, essentially landing on the fucking moon
>Most famous assassination in all of history
>Your heir then becomes the most influential figure in Rome since you
Alexander is probably second, for the sheer adventure-movie his life was.
It'd have to be the person who made the largest impression. Impressions aren't time dependent.
The person (who we know was actually alive) who has made the greatest impression would probably be Saul of Tarsus.
It's clearly Napoleon.
Started off a penniless Corsican gentleman and by the time he was in his 30s he had refounded France, conquered Europe, ushered in the Modern Era, and reshaped the world forever.
>>hurr the Apostles and first generation of Christians died for someone who didn't exist XD
There is no evidence that the Jesus character existed historically. That's because history has standards unless your dad who is a whore to sailors.
There is, however, ample documentation of the Prophet Mohammad.
And hey, he started a whole empire. Jesus, who probably didn't even exist, just got executed. Everything impressive about Christianity was done later by other people in his name, and I don't see Constantine lighting up this thread.
Sounds like Mohammad is a way better candidate for greatest historical figure.
Chaucer is better than Shakespeare, and he's still English.
Shakespeare is nothing compared to Dante, Kochanowski, or Baudelaire
Yeah, I'm surprised it took that long for someone to develop anti-cathartic drama, but you need to look at it from a classed perspective: until the development of communism as an immanent possibility in the proto-fordist proletariat, it was impossible to conceive of anti-cathartic drama.
can someone explain the bottom? Is he being belittled?
Brecht was a hack. He's so dated and hackneyed, so tediously political
Nobody will be reviving his plays in two hundred years. He doesn't have the universal humanity of Shakespeare or the Greeks
Whether you buy into religion or not, Jesus and Buddha were both very real people. You don't have to like them, believe in their teachings, or think that they had any true insight into an afterlife. But you can't deny their profound influence on the world.
Anyone who picks Plato over Aristotle is not well-read in philosophy. Aristotle created the greatest ethics, he was hugely influential on Catholicism, Arabs, and atheists today. His political theory is superior to Plato's. His metaphysics is superior to Plato's. He's definitely one of the greatest, if not the greatest, philosophers ever.
In terms of raw intelligence, Von Neumann. He was not entirely human, but some kind of crazy mutation. They say that his intelligence was so great that to him, talking with a kid and with a Nobel laureate were the same thing.
In terms of wisdom, Epictetus. A Stoic sage is an impressive kind of human being, and chances are, he is the only one that existed that we know of.
Based on this formula mine is:
Art: donno thqh.
Commerce: Crassus (richest man ever by a fucking wide margin)
>Epitetus : 55 AD-135 AD
>Stoics: 250 BC
>Buddhia: 624 BC
Also "independently" is greatly exaggerated. Most historians know there is a very real influence from India to Greek and later Roman literature. This knowledge transfer happened after Alexander the Great pushed near India. By 250 BC, Ashoka the Great from India came and spread Buddhism far and wide. Records suggests spreading (sending missionaries) all the way to Egypt(Under Greek rule at the time). There are Greek records of Indian buddhists monks. Some of the early Greek philosophers like Pyrrho, the founder of Skepticism traveled to India to learn Indian knowledge.
By the time Epictetus was born, Buddhism/Indian sramanas had spread its message long in the region. Zarmanochegas (Died 14 AD/CE) is recorded and immortalized with a tomb in Athens. His name was not known, but they knew which religion he preached to a degree, Sramana (Zramano).
I feel like modern business is the equivalent to ancient war.
Instead of starting or commandeering a small tribe, you start a business or inherit it from your parents like you inherit the title of chief.
The struggles within the tribe/business are the same; survival, threat of mutiny, successful campaigns with the long term goal of complete domination, assuming you're a competent leader.
>Died in a shitty island in the middle of nowhere as his countries greatest rival went on to form the largest empire ever because he failed to stop it
>Almost no scholars deny Christ's existence.
Most scholars are in STEM. They don't have the right to have an opinion.
Theologians tend to agree Christ existed, because their discipline is predicated on the existence of the divine in texts.
Historians tend to deny Christ's existence because it is definitionally forbidden to their discipline as they deny the divine's influence in history as not capable of textual demonstration. Most historians also deny that there was any person with any meaningful relation to the portrayal of the Jesus Character.
Leonardo da Vinci
Definitely the most intelligent human being to have ever existed, also described as physically fit and handsome. Mastered arts, mastered knowledge, mastered engineering and mastered fitness.
He was the best humanity ever had to offer.
>"His recorded feats, including lifting 500 pounds (227 kg) with one finger and backlifting 4,337 pounds (1,967 kg), show Cyr to be [...] the strongest man ever to have lived."
The character from the 4 gospels and acts?
The Jesus character engages in divine acts.
You have to hypothesise an ur-Jesus character, I call mine "Yesh'ua ben Yoseph" and then interpolate claims regarding this character.
Given the STRONG narrative bias towards Dionysian myths in the narrative I'd say the narrative bears NO resemblance to any historical character.
Regarding the sayings they're more likely to have been said by a group of post Pharisee Essenes. I don't think this is a sufficient basis to claim that "Jesus" was real.
Also "Buddha" is a sayings tradition too.
King Arthur is pure religious fiction, it is a collection of myths.
Depends on what you consider impressive. I'd probably argue Alexander the Great.
> founded the city of Alexander, the first great center for science and technology (Archimedes, etc)
> one of the first great empires, uniting everyone under one banner and promoting Greek culture
> was personally taught by Aristotle, one of the greatest thinkers of all time, and helped spread his ideas throughout the world
> started the Hellenistic age, which all great civilizations since have tried to emulate in art/culture/philosophy/etc.
For me, I'd say Heraclius. The fact that he completely turned the tide of the war against the Persians is impressive. It's a shame that the Arabs diminished his legacy.
I don't Know why you feel that you have to lie, anon. It's obvious you've seen no historians work on a historical Jesus.
We can even use the bible to figure out that this Jesus person probably existed historically. Not because it just says he did, but from other details that wouldn't have made sense to add were he actually made up.
If Jesus was just some guy that early Christians made up to convince people that the Jewish messiah was here, why didn't they just write him in as fulfilling all of the messianic prophecies? Why would they even mention that he was from Nazareth, an unimportant town, when the messiah was said to be from bethlehem? The only thing that makes sense is the Jesus was a real person from Nazareth, and so they had to write in that he was "actually" born in Bethlehem, and then moved to Nazareth.
I was just shitposting because trying to determine the most influental or important person over the whole extend of human histories is utterly retarded.
I didn't try to embrace brecht over anyone, but his erotic poetry is amazing. you should read it if you by chance are a german speaker. If not i couldn't fully recommend as i don't know how good translation on these is.
>falling for the malleability of the mind of man meme
Currently, would have to say either Gandhi or Hitler.
By impressive, I'm going on the fact that everyone in the world knows these two names, they will never forget them, and therefore these people are eternal in the sight that they are never forgotten.
It doesn't matter if what you did was considered "good" or "bad".
Herman Potočnik Noordung.
I'm pretty sure nobody in this thread knows him but still:
>born in 1892
>died in 1929
>first man to write about permanent human presence in space
>first plans for a space station (wheel-shaped)
>first to recognise the significance of the geostationary orbit
>first to think of the concept of a satellite for observing Earth, for scientific research and for communications
>influenced Werner von Braun
All this, he did in 1928.
Man that job has to be nerve-wracking. Like ... okay. You are going to be cleaning the statue of David. Probably the most widely-recognized piece of renaissance artwork in the world.
I don't think I could do it.
Honorable mention goes to that Egyptian janitor who knocked the nose off Tut's death mask. What the fuck.
>not posting the superior brother
I bet you don't even play as paladins in RPGs either, you fuck.
>uses simplistic black and white narratives in a completely idiotic effort to manage and control society, which, ironically, is the very thing that destroyed the communism he rails against
Oh for goodness sake.
I'm right wing and have a lot of time for what P Hitchens says. I certainly don't support the claim that C. Hitchens comes close to be the most impressive man in history.
However P. Hitchens is literally a fucking tabloid columnist who has spent his whole career writing for shit tier newspapers specifically aimed at the bottom 50% of the population in terms of IQ and written a couple of books that no one has ever seriously considered to be top-drawer material either in terms of pure intellectualism or numbers of copies sold. You could buy a copy of the Times or Telegraph tomorrow and read better modern right wing columnists than P. Hitchens.
He doesn't even struggle into the class of "intellectual" let alone become a great thinker, let alone get into the list of "most impressive people of all time".
Note, this is not an attack on any of his views but thinking a minor hack is some brilliant thinker is a stale, old Brit/pol/ meme. And I say this as someone that used to love the Brit/pol/ threads we used to have before /pol/harbour.
Benjamin Franklin was pretty cool. He was /fit/ as fuck in his youth from working in his brother's print shop, invented a bunch of stuff, and fucked like half the women in Paris. Also wrote an essay about farting. A true Renaissance Man.