Tell me more about "ancient Egyptians were black" meme.
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>Since African in this instance is obviously used as a substitute for "black" decide Africa must be 100% black.
>Hear about magical pyramid building Egypt.
>Look at a map.
>It's in Africa.
>Therefore they wuz black.
Some of their slaves were black, so I expect over the course of centuries some of their people were likely black as well.
It has been hotly debated by acedemics between the 1800s and the 1950s. Most notably during the US civil war.
But it only started to gain popular appeal during the 1960s with the rise of black nationalism and Afrocentricism among common people. Similar to how the Ethiopian monarchist flag has become more or less synonymous with black nationalism outside of Africa.
only American Africans think this way
Sub Saharan Africans are usually more Tribalist/Nationalist/Ethnicist and care more about the achievements of their own Tribe/Nation than Wether Egypt was black or not
In the Old Kingdom there are records of Egyptians complaining about how Divine Order was broken, slaves were mixing with Egyptians and dressing like nobles.
Some attribute the fall of the Old Kingdom to race mixing. The Egyptians ceased to exist for nearly 200 years after the Old Kingdom collapsed.
If any group had blacks, it was probably the Middle Kingdom, but they were highly diluted.
The Southern Egyptians conscripted the Nubians into the army also during the First Intermediate period, you can see them in pic related from around 2000BC.
The New Kingdom was not Black at all.
Why is this such a big fucking thing?
Everybody knows the Egyptians weren't black and it's easily provable. I know it's mostly SJW's who know nothing of history claiming this but still.
However, neither do I understand why both /pol/ and /tv/ are trying their hardest to deny that some of the pharaos were indeed black.
This doesn't make the populace of the entirety of ancient Egypt black so why get furious every time somebody mentions this?
I've seriously sat through dozens of threads where even mentioning the POSSIBILITY of black pharaos makes people (/pol/) go bat shit insane and shout WE WUZ KINGZ among other cool and epic memes
Africa is 100% black save for European immigrants, I don't know why Americans are all like "hurr durr they're not *really* black, look at people from Somalia, 100% Caucasian skull form".
>Some attribute the fall of the Old Kingdom to race mixing
who on earth is claiming this? The old kingdom fell because of multiple different problems surfacing at the same time, not because of people having sex with people from other cultures
Actually it's the Americans who think Africa is 100% black due to the fact all of their Africans come from the black parts. For literally hundreds of years the name "Africa" referred only to the zone north of Sahara.
>what do you mean Tunisia is not black? IT'S IN AFRICA FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
That's the kind of shit you hear Americans say all the time.
Well yes, people from different cultures not integrating into your culture will cause problems but hardly enough to destroy one of the strongest 'nations' of the time.
However, I don't see a problem if they are properly integrated into the society and somehow I don't see the more or less xenophobic (especially towards the asiatic cultures) Egyptians allowing people to keep their old traditions alive inside their borders
That only came about with the rise of nationalism.
>live in 19th century Europe
>see that people with different ethnic backgrounds are fighting
>conclude all conflicts throughout history is caused by ethnic tension
It's anachronism. Medieval France or Hungary were multikulti (in the true sense of the word, not an Amerishit "melting pot") and didn't have much of a problem with it until the enlightement.
There were black pharaohs, however the jump from "there were some black pharaohs" to "everyone from king Tut to Cleopatra was black" is pure idiocy.
>the jump from "there were some black pharaohs" to "everyone from king Tut to Cleopatra was black" is pure idiocy
that's exactly what I'm saying. /pol/ on the other hand doesn't want to admit that there were any black pharaos to begin with, which I don't understand
I disagree. /pol/ is a bunch of edgy, deliberately contrarian children pretending to be pantomime extremists of whatever stripe is currently popular.
Look at how fast that moronic Eternal Anglo meme has been adopted.
>Look at how fast that moronic Eternal Anglo meme has been adopted
I haven't really paid attention to that. I thought it was just a running gag from /int/ or something rather than a meme
/int/ is much better a board than /pol/ or /tv/ because they don't take things seriously and just throw friendly banter around
Well the people from Balkan seem pretty butthurt about Turks and vice versa but the rest are just laughing at them
Both sides commit the oversimplifying error that everyone in a country has had the same ethnicity throughout its entire history.
I mean not all kings of England have been ethnically English, so why think Egypt was any different? Their kings were everything from the Hyksos through blacks to Greeks.
>I'm a muslim, we're in the fight together, right? We hate the eternal Jew!
>I'm a Jew but look, not all Jews are degenerate liberals! We have conservatives too, I'm one of you!
>I'm gay but I hate women and faggot parades, can we be friends?
Yeah it is an echo chamber.
>They've completely changed their scapegoat from Jews to SJWs.
no they fucking haven't. They still spend their days posting retarded image macros "proving" jews are behind all the evil in human history
>I'm a Muslim, fuck you bitch xtians. Look at Muslim birth rates in Europe, Islam will prevail!
>I'm a Jew, u mad goyim?? Lol who's the real masterrace xD
>I'm gay, let me spam twink pix
I'd like to believe this but it's more and more obvious that /pol/ is filled with retards.
Of course there are some people with diverse opinions but it makes no difference when 70-80% of the board is filled with retards who also constantly engage on le epic red pill crusades to enlighten the people of 4chan about the evils of black people, jews, atheists and muslism
No, it's good.
It's filled with retards and smarties, also you don't think shitposting Muslims, Jews and gays are retards? Only white Christians can be retards?
Anyway, the retards make it more fun (except for trumptards who ruin it).
>evils of blacks, Jews, atheists and Muslims
Except got Muslims (are pretty demonized) those other groups are circle-jerked into places of unwarranted honor and prestige by the mainstream media. /pol/ is just responding to that indoctrination.
Again, this is a response to the narrative that is constantly spammed by the mainstream (and lefty alternative) media.
>also you don't think shitposting Muslims, Jews and gays are retards?
Never did I said that but never do you see them either and if you do happen to actually bumb into one, everybody will just laugh at him and shrug it off
/pol/tards on the other hand are much more vocal, get into every thread looking for a fight, are over the top racist and reactionary and there are hundreds more of them. That's the reason I don't think shitposting jews or muslims deserve to even be mentioned
>only white Christians can be retards?
I can definitely tell you're from /pol/ if you actually believe people think that way
Hmm I don't think they will become full left wingers, they will always be anti-Jew.
They will probably become economically socialist but will stay culturally conservative. They will also become more anti-Zionist and isolationist.
>Yet again a thread was derailed into /pol/ this /pol/ that
>American school history on Africa
>Doesn't talk about anywhere else
>American blacks thus assume that since they are african, and egypt is in africa, then egypt = black
>Whites assume no history occurred in Africa whatsoever and become acclimated to racist worldviews
Nubians were black
There were also fairer-skinned Semitic and medium-toned members of other ethnicities.
Egypt was the crossroads between Africa, Europe, and Asia for millennia and as such it's likely that they were quite ethnically diverse when compared to other regions at the time.
America is a shit country, and since Asia and Europe passed them, that leaves Africa as the only place that is (Temporally) worse than them.
At least until China engages in athmosperic arbitrage and ships pollution heavy industry over there.
because you are one of the few sane persons on earth
>because you are one of the few sane persons on earth
in fairness most of /his/ agrees with him, or at least they used to. I remember in the early days of /his/ threads came to the same conclusion. /pol/ is just really vocal.
It's basically African Americans, a demographic with very little history to be proud of clinging to the identity of the most prestigeous African society they could find.
The fact that Egypt is in North East Africa right next door to the Middle East and thousands of miles away from the Ivory Coast region where their ancestors most certainly came from isn't relevant to them, because they think "Africa" is just this country where black people came from and sheeit.
It's actually incredibly sad. Nothing more pathetic than seeing an African American wearing a Pharoah head dress or an Ankh or some shit.
I mean if my culture and language was stolen from me I'd probably do some retarded shit like that too.
North Africa has never been black, not ever.
>But dey arabs nd sheeit
That's not how invasions work sonny Jim. If they did all of Africa would be white because Europe owned it all.
Moors weren't black
Egyptians weren't black
For the exact same reason the Indians aren't Chinese. Just because you share a continent that doesn't mean you're the same race.
>ethiopians and somalians
>pigmeys and khoisans
>yolandi visser, berbers, ayyrabs
All africans. Sure niggas from Sudan have DARK skin, but does that make them bantus? Amerinegroes are bantu mutts who think all africa looks like then, real africans laugh at them