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Why did no Communist revolution happen in Germany, as Marx and other thinkers have specifically predicted?
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Because stalin was retarded and would rather sabotage the weimar republic and allow nazis to take control over having a competing self called socialist state.
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>>558105
Communism only got popular where people were serfs
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>>558105
>Why did no Communist revolution happen in Germany, as Marx and other thinkers have specifically predicted?

>Rosa Luxemburg
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>>558113
But Stalin only came to power in the 1920s, and Marx et al were raving about it since at least 1848.
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>>558105
It did happen, albeit unsuccesfully
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>>558118
If you want to call a bunch of ISIS-tier terrorist strikes who were swiftly crushed a revolution...
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>>558105
It happened, but Freikorps stopped it
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>>558123
>If you want to call a bunch of ISIS-tier terrorist strikes who were swiftly crushed a revolution...
>ISIS-tier

IIRC the KAPD and AAUD archives are at the IISG. Go read 'em.
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Because Germans like being resentful about borders and history more than they like helping themselves.
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>>558119
The conditions were pretty ideal during the 20s. Socialists + communists had a huge percentage of votes, even with stalin making everything in his power to oppose them and generate problems among each one.
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>>558132
Not in the sense of violence, but in the sense of futility and sheer political madness it was even below ISIS. ISIS at least manage to run things more or less.

>oh cool we finally have a democratic republic as we always dreamed, albeit a very fragile and unstable one
>wat now?
>i know, start an armed insurrection to topple it and hope for the best

2nd Internationale worst Internationale.
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>>558105
>Why did no Communist revolution happen in Germany

Do you know why so many Germans distrusted Jews?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%9319
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>>558153
Because the minimalists had already betrayed the possibility of a democratic republic in 1914.

And the revolution was being called for by the sailors and the shop stewards council.

It is almost like you know nothing about the German revolution or maximalism.
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>>558162

wow my eyes are totally opened at last i truly see
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>>558105
Because Bismarck made socialists his bitch.
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>>558105
Because the Frankfurt assembly wanted a greater germany (t. Grossdeutschland ) and were co-opted by the militarists of Prussia to this end.
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>>558167
The Spartakist rebellion was NOT part of the sailors and workers uprising. You're conflating several different events. There was the Wilhelmshaven Revolt that was of course successful and led to the toppling of the Empire. There was the Munich Soviet that was somewhat successful, eventually failed but at least was peaceful and somewhat popular. All this happened between November and December 1918. What is known as the Spartacist Uprising happened in January 1919, was confined to a few streets in Berlin, and was swiftly and brutally crushed; it was a lost cause to begin with. Even Lenin had mixed feelings about the matter; if you look at his publications for the period, he condemned the gov't treatment a lot more than he praises Rosa and Karl. Trotsky had a hard-on for them, but it was in retrospect for the most part. The January Uprising was political romanticism at its worst, it was hopeless, dangerous for the republic, and did nothing but generate more chaos in the long run (we know what later became of the Freikorps).
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>>558105
It did; they got BTFO by the Freikorps. Their little stunt was actually one of the main reasons that anti-semitism had so much traction in later years, as the leaders were Jewish virtually to a man.
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>>558215
Why would that cause widespread antisemitism in a country where half the people are voting socialists/communists?
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>>558105
The Nazis beat them to the punch with their alternative interpretation of socialism.
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Germany can't into revolutions.
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>specifically predicted
Because it is not humanly possible to be that specific. Universal suffrage and a welfare state pushed for by the lower-middle class through political means doesn't quite fit his prediction of a communist utopia pushed for by the proletariat through violent means but Marx couldn't have foreseen this in the 1850s when 95% of people were laborers of some sort.

His mistake might have been believing that the leaders of the revolution would be as morally virtuous as the working class people he met.
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>>558234
It didn't cause it, per se, just made it much more reasonable. Because pretty much everyone that wasn't a Commie hated them (and even other leftists backed off when the Civil War broke out) and considering that, as I said, almost every single one of the Commie leaders was Jewish, people were much more accepting of the "all Jews are Commie rat fucks and need to GTFO" line when it was brought up.
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>>558264
>His mistake might have been believing that the leaders of the revolution would be as morally virtuous as the working class people he met.
The mistake of the German proletariat was collaborating with bourgeois in the same party.
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>>559100
What party are you referring to? If you're talking about 1850s, German proletariat was basically a tiny segment of the population, outside of specific areas such as NRW.
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>>558118
Funny enough, it was 97 years ago today that Rosa Luxemburg was killed by the Freikorps
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One did, the revolution of 1918. It's part of why the Nazis gained power. The German people didn't want Communism to come back.
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Because as usual Marx was wrong and your stupid cult failed, and then thankfully the Freikorps put that scum down.
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>>558105
Gerrmany had a Welfare state since the 1870's , Heck the Kaiser even refused to send troops to crack down on Striking Workers unlike His Cousin who went full autist in 1905
France had a better chance of turning Communist
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>>558200

Was there ever any evidence that it was anything other than a rump state? The information on it on Wikipedia is hilariously scant, and I cannot find any evidence suggesting it maintained any kind of presence outside of Munich.
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Reminder that Marx/Engels felt that Germany, Hungary and Poland needed to conquer Eastern Europe and assimilate "unworthy nations" like the Czechs, Croats, etc.
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>>559378
You mean the Bavaria thing? It wasn't much, but it at least hanged around enough to receive some recognition from the USSR. The revolt itself was peaceful for the most part too. In fact it was so peaceful it pretty much disbanded the national guard and the police (even opened up most of the prisons - the absolute madmen!). It was at least popular with the locals which is something you can't say for Rosa and co.
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>>559395
Kautsky too. And Rosa Luxemburg basically said fuck Poland desu. It's really important to understand how novel were Lenin and Trotsky's bit about national self-determination as apriori right. I think it takes a Russian Jew to really go the extra mile and understand how fucked up multinational entities are.
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