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>driven away from Ireland
>driven away from England
>defeated in France, willingly lost their culture and became Normans
>driven away from America by stone age Natives
>defeated by Moors
>Hedeby burned down by Slavs
>Varangian Guard lost most battles as well

wow they are so impressive lmao want proper pillagers and rapists look at Mongols or something
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>driven away from Ireland
>driven away from England
Why are you spreading disinformation, anon?
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>>546315
They did, in Ireland the vikings got absoluty crushed.

England is up for debate though considering after Alfred the Great the came back for more.
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>>546331
Not really. Many Vikings married into families, and then we also have to remember the Normans were Vikings to begin with. That being said they are one of the most overrated historical warriors, but now you're just being butthurt.
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>>546331
They were never driven out of England or Ireland, they stayed for centuries until they eventually assimilated.
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>>546351
>to begin with

and by the time they conquered England they were culturally French and had french admixture
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>>546356
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Clontarf

The vikings got annihilated as any cohesive force in this battle. Further Norse activity in Ireland isn't really viking activity anymore so much as it is foreigners integrating into regular dynastic politics.
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>>546295
when will this meme die
no one fucking cares about your opinion on the vikings
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>>546376
>meme

how is them getting their ass kicked a meme? Their reputation as fierce warriors was a meme to begin with.
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>>546295
Scandis
>Abandoned Raiding Shit
>Civilized themfuckingselves.
>Today well developed countries.
Mongols
>Attack weakened civilizations.
>Fail to centralize.
>Let clan loyalties get in the way of greater good.
>Collapse
>Laughingstock of Central Asia
>Exists as a buffer state on the sufferance of Russia and China.
>Most Mongols aren't in Mongolia but in China and prefer to be Chinese citizens.
lmao
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then why shill vikings as great warriors? What today's scandinavia has to do with vikings being terrible are you retarded?
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>>546295
All of that is just due to the fact they were shit in pitched battles. They had no scholars or historians, their princes were not instructed in strategy and tactics. They had no (or few) horses in an age were heavy cav used to win almost all battles.

But they were great fighters individually, they were explorers and sailed all across Europe and even America. They worked as mercenaries in many Kingdoms.

>>Varangian Guard lost most battles as well

That's because the Emperor was a dumbass. They were the most loyal troops Byzantium ever had.
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>>546385
>vikings were fierce warriors
>they weren't
>who cares modern scandinavia is a developed country!

lmao fucking retard by that logic we might also bash Roman Empire because modern Italy isn't that great
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>>546420
>they were great fighters individually

citation needed
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>Varangian Guard lost most battles as well

Is OP bullshitting or is this true?
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>>546366
Broken power =/= Driven away.

All that says is that the Vikings no longer ruled any Irish kingdoms.
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>>546837
Yes, the Varangian guard got raped by the Normans in Sicily.

They also got their shit pushed in during the Fourth Crusade.
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the vikings are easily the most overrated 'warriors'(if you can call a band of thugs clunking monks over the head "warriors") in history. Have you seen the /tv/ show about them? If they made a historic show like that about some non-white group(especially if it were blacks, mehicans, and ayyrabs) /his/ would lose their fucking minds and start screaming about SJWs or some other meme group
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>>546883
That is being driven away. All the actual Norse kings got fucked.

Random Norse settlers who stayed behind weren't vikings anymore than Lebanese Christians are crusaders.
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>>546900
I blame norwegian 19th century revisionists and idiots who took metal bands seriously
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>>546900
>conquered England three times
>founded Normandy
>founded Kievan Rus'
>Varangian guard
>Norse-gaels are huge players in Irish and Scottish politics, many famous Scottish clans like Clan Donald were founded by vikings, the gallowglass become a staple of Irish warfare
If anything the vikings are underrated.
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>>546959
>conquered England three times
[citation needed]
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>>546959
>Varangian Guard

oh the one that was full of Saxons later on and lost to Normans? Yeah that's really impressive viking feat.
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>>546959
>conquered England three times
and? England wasn't some super powerful civilization then, I guess it matters to the northern europeans at that time but it had no affect on the world
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>>546959
The Norse Gaels were based. Somerled was the GOAT medieval Warlord. He pushed in the viking's shit as well.
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>>546978
you better check your sources dude
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>>546295
The Varangian Guard wasn't exclusively Scandinavian. They had all sorts of different nationalities serving in their ranks and after 1066 most of them would have been Anglo-Saxon.
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they c.u.c.k.e.d europe
case closed, stop being a butthurt swarthy greasy malet christian (Jew servant)
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>>546295
they weren't supposed to be conquerors though

also said Normans ended up conquering England anyway so...
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>>547198
yeah Normans who were French and if they weren't supposed to be conquerors they shouldn't try
>>547134
>they cvcked europe you're not white case closed :D

you have down's syndrome or something? Also speaking of non whites they got rekt by fucking Moors.
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>>547237
But they weren't trying

they mostly were just raiding and trading
and the normans were still fucking over French territory even after they supposedly swore fealty to the French king (pretty much the reason why England and French kept fucking with each other throughout history).
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>>547252
>hurr Vikings conquered England
>they didn't
>they weren't actually trying

vikingboos are mentally ill
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>>547295
I too think Vikings are overrated

but Normans are vikings not French
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> Look at clock
> It's after 9 pm
> Szymon have finally came from from a hard day scrubbing toilet for 14 hours straights
> He sits by his computer and boots up Windows Cyka
> He puts on some coffee, wait 15 mins until the computer have finished starting
> He gets on 4chan
> Pissed that his girlfriend have been stolen from yet another swede who study as a doctor in Poland, he plans his revenge
> ">Driven Away from Ireland.."
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>>547300
>Normans are vikings not French

>Christian
>Speak French
>Live in France


>HURRRR DEY R VIGING :-DDDDD
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>>547295
Viking did conquer England, retard, and colonized it to such an extent that we borrowed basic words from them such as 'they, them and their', 'are', and have North Germanic syntax

>who is Sweyn forkbeard
>who is Cnut the Great
>who is the great heathen army
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>>547300
yeah they just happened to have french admixture huh?

>>547330
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stamford_Bridge

such conquest
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>>547330
The Vikings did not conquer England, they conquered a portion of the island of Britain and they called it the Danelaw. The English kingdoms on the rest of the island would not be conquered until 1066.
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>England had to be conquered by Viking/French hybrids to successfully throw out the Vikings

why is England such a kek?
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>>547340
Oh no, they defeated at what would have been their fourth conquest of England. Vikings are so shit lol
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>>547330
Also Alfred defeated the great heathen army.
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>>547341
Both Sweyn and Cnut ruled all of England
>>547349
They still conquered all the Angles, and this is when the intense colonization happened
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>>547353
Sweyn and Cnut were both Christian kings who can hardly be called Vikings...
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>>547344
>fourth

that's some nice made up history when the other 3 conquests happened?
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>Driven away from Ireland
after establishing Dublin and eventually being assimilated
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>>546959
>three times
once. William the Bastard is a stretch
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>>547626
I wasn't counting William in any of those.
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>>547353
>intense colonization
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>>547630
>I wasn't counting William in any of those
I forgot Sweyn to be fair, so twice. Where you're getting three from is beyond me
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>>547633
:^)
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>>547748
etymological evidence is not really indicative of the scale of colonization. I'm doing my dissertation on this. There was a degree of population movement but it wasn't intensive.
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>>547134
>Kuck

Opinion discarded.

>>546295
In any force in military history, context is important. How would you characterize the Vikings? They were a Germanic tribe in an era defined by the rise, fall and settlement of Germanic tribes.

But they had something unique for the period: Amphibious warfare and access to rivers that were only navigable to their extremely shallow draft boats.

Now there are some retards in this thread who talk about this as a negative. These people are as retarded as the norseaboos who think that they could do know wrong and were like Germanic Sparta. What they were, were people who had their moment in time. They could pick where they wanted to fight and so they chose to fight where their enemy was weak. That's not cowardice, that's using your advantage.

So, they could move freely. However, due to their status as marines, they couldn't take cavalry with them. When Europe was marked by its infantry based armies, this wasn't an issue. When chivalric, mounted warfare developed, they were completely outclassed and their prominence faded everywhere but Britain and Ireland and even that wasn't to last. So, they were potent for a time but that was based on their ability to outmaneuver their opponents.

>Pic related
That's Hnefatal. It's "Viking Chess" the object of the game was to fight your way back to your boats after being ambushed by a larger force.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gND2P1sHM3U
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>>548571
villagers were such enemies wow
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>>549128
Your shit is weak, son.
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>>546295
This is completely inaccurate.
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>>552614
yet you didn't disprove it
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What is it with these fucking butthurt Viking threads? Can't we have any unbiased argument on a topic? That one holocaust thread we had was the closest we came to such a thing, but even then /pol/tards ruined it with their shitposting.
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>>546359
>they were culturally French and had french admixture
No they weren't. The Normans and the French stayed as far away from eachother as possible.
The "French" had largely left Normandy when the Normans came, the few that remained could be called more germanic than over the modern french fry one might find today living in Normandy.

They adopted Horsemen from the Franks, that's about it.

>Horsemen replaced Huskaarls as the warrior class of society
By Horsemen I mean knights (Cnight/Riddari)
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>>553038
blatant lies you just said people who were well known to marry into local population and being mixed with them after two generations didn't have french admixture and that using french language and customs is not being culturally french
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>>553038
>The Normans and the French stayed as far away from eachother as possible.

But that's false, you monkey
Normans heavily interbred with the locals
Rollo's son (1st generation after arrival) was already 50% French through his mother
By 1066, Normans had huge French admixture
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>>546295
At this point all the viking bashing is getting kinda sad, I get pointing out lies and such but viking bashing has reached femenazi tier with just louder and louder shouting.
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>>554717
Looks like we have an asspained neo-pagan over here!
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>>554717
>be viking
>die
can't make this up
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ITT: Butthurt Christfags who are jelly that they aren't of Nordic stock with proud, strong and glorious heritage.
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>>552641
>>554717
It's one autist from /pol/ who's hell bent on convincing us that vikings are a jewish plot.

Yes, really.

It's actually probably this guy. >>554823 Note how he immediately accuses you of having a religion or ideology based upon zero evidence? That's /pol/'s first move when you catch them in the open. Much like screaming /lit/ or reddit.
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Why are you faggots so obsessed with Vikings to begin with? There are far cooler warrior cultures out there that barely get mentioned here.
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>>554897
Celts are underrated as shit.
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>>554897
Look at most of the threads that get started here. It's people who are determined to prove that vikings are shit. I've seen the same thread started multiple times in a week. They are as persistent as the fedoras with their faggotry.

>HURR DURR NORSABOO

Actually, I'm this guy >>548571
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>>554897
Because some people can't get over their inferiority complex and try to identify themselves as "Scandinavian" or "Vikings" and are so emotionally invested in this idea that they will cry and shout anything that challenges their fantasy as being superior.
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>>553105
We actually don't know if Rollo took a French wife or not IIRC, his sons may have been birthed by a Nordic woman.

However his grandsons were certainly 50% French, and by the time of William II the Bastard/Conqueror, all remnants of Nordic blood was gone.
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reminder that there is a myth where Odin drinks semen of hanged corpses

no kidding
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>>554908
Literally only you guys whine about this.
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>>554971
Why is that a problem? semen is fucking delicious.
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>>554987
I actually don't give a shit, I think Vikings are pretty awesome, just stated why some people take it so seriously.
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