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For what purpose?
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>>511123
pic says it all senpai
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>>511123
Why is Chernobyl in the picture when it is in Ukraine?
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>>511141
It is close to the border. It's also close to Kyiv. Have you ever wondered why Kyiv isn't polluted with radiation? Most of the shit went right North.
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>>511123
To cuck poland of it's rightfull soil.
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>>511123
>For what purpose?
To remind people how much an incapable tyrant can fuck up a country.
Russia lost in a few weeks of terribly handled protests more land and industry than any other country in a comparable amount of time.
Even Alexander's successors did better.
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>>511463
>pic related
What did he mean by that?
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>>511466
That if he were in charge of the transition of the Soviet Union from communism to capitalism Poland, Ukraine, Finland, Belarus and all the Baltic states wouldnt exist, and Russia would be bigger today.
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>>511123
All the memeing aside, Belarus is a really sad country.

>Be an integral part of Lithuania
>Lithuanian dukes were still Lithuanian so you don't have any national elites at all
>Not even eventually polonified Ruthenian szlachta and cossacks like in Ukraine
>Develop to be a definite separate nation, with its own territory and language
>Yet have absolutely zero national self-awareness, perhaps even worse than Bosnia, and unlike Ukraine which has always been fighting for self-determination in some way or another
>Short period of national revival in the early 20th century gets rekt by Russkies
>Short period of national revival in the 90s gets rekt by Russkies, retarded commie elites and your own citizens not having any feeling of national belonging
>Belarusian language is nearing Gaelic in its spread
>Life off refining cheap Russian oil and slowly wait for the end
>Official history basically starts with WW2 and ends with WW2
>Unofficial is claiming WE WUZ LITVINZ and trying to find great Belarusian people besides Kalinovski

It's like watching a small constantly sick child dying of cancer.
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>>511473
Isnt modern Belarus practically owned by Putin? And I dont mean Russia, I mean Putin personally, and his "government" oil companies and other businesses that he created by confiscating mob property.
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>>511463
>Russia lost in a few weeks of terribly handled protests more land and industry than any other country in a comparable amount of time.

>What is Austria-Hungary?
All empires die, it's just a natural turn of events. The real tragedy is Russia still trying to cling to something.
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>>511123
To weaken the Russian neightbours of course, compare those two maps,
>>511123
>>511138
always after more clay.
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>>511473
Also Minsk is pretty nice place.
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>>511123
>Belarus
>For what purpose
>Nevermind the tiny piece of land between Lithuania and Poland that is owned by Russia but doesn't even border it

toplol
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>>511473
>WE WUZ LITVINZ
>mfw they're using the Lithuanian coat of arms in that pic
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>>511478
It's really hard to tell with Belarus. It's definitely completely dependent on Russia because

1. Most of exports is refined oil and fertilizers.
2. Its gas pipeline is owned by Gazprom.

On one hand, however, some say that Lukashenko has a degree of freedom in his actions. For example, he shared maps of planned Russian offensive into Ukraine to Turchynov in 2014 and basically told no to any military action from Belarusian side.

Some, on the other hand, say Lukashenko can't do anything significant because the country is essentially sold out already. Russian-financed organizations are like cockroaches there and people can get jailed for original state symbols.

Whichever the truth is, nobody fucking knows. Belarus is a very closed state and as of now, Belarus is Lukashenko and Lukashenko is Belarus. Doubt even he knows, in fact.
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>>511514
Now I'm not a fan of aggressive litvinism or whatever you call it, but Belarusian version of Vytis, called Pahonia, has all rights for existence.

(the cross used is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Saint_Euphrosyne )
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>>511521
Hopefully he grooms his son well, else Russia will swallow it whole.
On the other hand, Putin himself will be evacuating soon, and he still hasnt produced any apparent "heir" to his neo-Russian empire. Medveev isnt anywhere near hard enough, and that other mongol looking military guy is mostly used to talk to other asian countries, he isnt familiar in the west whatsoever.
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>>511528
Pardon me then, I guess that cross confused me, since we have a similiar one. We call ours "The Cross of Vytis"
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>>511528
>>511538
Are those meant to be the germanic orders sent to do jihad in the Baltic? Why worship them, they butchered the locals and destroyed local culture.
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>>511532
Eh, Russia is going to be kill soon anyway. Perhaps not disintegrated completely USSR style but definitely kill as an empire.
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>>511540
No it actually means the opposite, the herb simbolifies the bravery of the baltic ancestors. Also this herb hails from a person - Narimantas, who was the son of Gediminas and was Orthodox.
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>>511471

>Poland
>Finland

What?
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>>511123
Does a Belarusian ethnicity really exist?
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>>511466
The demise of the Soviet Union was handled so haphazardly, and with such disregard for the peoples involved, that future historians might look back at it as stupider than Versailles.
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>>512123
Yes. The problem is, their national self-awareness is so fucking weak it's heart-breaking to see. Belarusians as a proper nation formed perhaps the last in Europe, and almost immediately after they did 1917 came so they don't have shit for classics or historians save for a select few Russians deemed acceptable to have around and not exterminate.
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>>511514
>>511528
That charge on the coat of arms, Pogoń (literally "go chase it up") is hella Polish too. t. This place.
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>>512128
>Versailles
>stupid
maximum zero knowledge pleb alarm beep boop
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>>511466
>>512128
Basically when the Soviet Union broke up, megalomaniacs stole what there was to steal, they didn't care for other people and the Russian economy drastically decreased until putin got Russian shit together.
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>>511450
I'm still mad Poland and Lithuania didn't combine after independence.
Why haven't they today? literally nothing stopping them.
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>>512128
There was also a union-wide plebiscite that voted in favor of preserving the union in a different form, and at this time the democratization reforms of Gorbachev more or less made it clear that the plebiscite was democratic. Yeltsin forcing a dissolution was essentially a coup.

This obviously doesn't account for the Baltic States, who wanted to leave ASAP.
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>>515476
We live in the era of nationalism senpai, not dualism or dual monarchy.

>literally nothing stopping them
there is. once you establish a state with its own administrators and its own class of elites with economic interests, these forces will always have a stake in maintaining the status quo. The prospect of polish-lithuanian union benefits nobody on each side of this scenario, except for emotional ones. Remember that the only reason Poland and Lithuania united in the first place was because the elites in those two states realized their union would make them stronger against foreign armies; first the teutonic knights, then then muscovy. Unless Putin does some insane move like invade Latvia and Estonia (without taking Lithuania) would the prospect of union ever be taken up again. In other words, the two nations face no existential threats strong enough to unite them.
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>>515795

So what you're saying is Międzymorze fucking never.
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>>515837
As alliance or fedration it can be but not as a one country.
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>>515837
>Międzymorze
I hadn't known about him before, interesting. His idea for resurrecting the Poland-Lithuania seems romantic to me, because like the articles says:
>Intermarium was, however, perceived by some Lithuanians as a threat to their newly established independence, and by some Ukrainians as a threat to their aspirations for independence
Multi-national entities died with the First World War. Many people rightfully predicted beforehand that giving everyone in eastern and central europe self-determination would weaken them against foreign powers at the end of the day. And as the second part of the sentence indicates
and [intermarum] was opposed by Russia and by most Western powers, except France, who backed it.
indicates that Russia knew that a strong east-central european state would not be in its interests. This is exactly why Prussia and Russia kept Poland-Lithuania weak throughout the 18th century before annexing it. They recognized that the centralized commonwealth was all too easy for them to manipulate and that a strong Poland-Lithuania might be a threat to them both.
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>>516010
>articles
wiki article*

also meant to green text
>and [intermarum] was opposed by Russia and by most Western powers, except France, who backed it.
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>>516010
>Multi-national entities died with the First World War.
USSR / Russia says hello.
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>>516019
True. To be more precise, multi-national empires headed by a monarch died with WWI. The USSR made a claim to internationalism and so justified its claims to rule various nationalities, but many nationalities did not willingly join until the Red Army crushed them at the end of the Civil War. The central asians, Georgians, Cossacks and Armenians were a few examples of this. Ukraine and Belarus left with the fall of the USSR and the Chechens put up strong resistance against Yeltsin and Putin. Other national populations underwent Russification during the USSR and the central government tended to discriminate against minority populations.
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Germans were the first to create it during WW I, so Lenin thought he'd still keep it alive so that people wouldn't think the germans were better than them because they gave them their own state.
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>>511466

That he's going to take it back.
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>>511123

Because this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_the_Soviet_Union
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>>511123
>Because we can.

The birth of all Nations.
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