Meme philosophers

How?

>>505075
Candide is hilarious

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muh acre and cow

>>505085
Candide was strawman as fuck and Voltaire didn't understand Leibniz

>>505075
that spook fellow

>>505170
I see a spook.

>>505075
One of the most based man in history, superior in poetic, plays writing and business . Rarely had a man multi talented like this in history , except Da Vinci

>>505299
glorified satirist DESU

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>>505299
>except Da Vinci
HA! nice one

>>505322
This is not most evil guy in history thread f a m/

>>505322

Not a philosopher

>HOLY

>>505524
>ROMAN

>>505525
>EMPIRE

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>"Christianity weakens humanity! it praises weakness while degrading strength!"
Now back in reality, humans have become weaker, lazier, more indoctrinated, and more opposed to masculinity as Christianity has dwindled in the West

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>>505075
It's still a pretty good meme, though.

>>505562
correlation =/= causation etc. etc.

I think the loss of national identity is more relevant to the weakness of the people than the loss of christianity, christianity merely served the role as a unifying faith for many nations, which can be replaces with something else. The European nation states did not live explicitly according to christian doctrine, if we were we'd basically be a nation of monastics and easily conquered by the muslims.

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>>505562
were still living under christian morality.

>>505686
>if we were we'd basically be a nation of monastics and easily conquered by the muslims.
"He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." - Luke 22:36

>>505713
Charity, love, humility, and the resisting of desires =/= purposely destabilizing an area to create more cause for war while also demolishing a rich culture

>>505562
>humans have become weaker, lazier, more indoctrinated, and more opposed to masculinity as Christianity has dwindled in the West
no they haven't. We are in a golden age of humanity and yearning for the simplicity of christian superstition is cowardice of the highest order.

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>>505765
>simplicity
Yet most Christians don't even understand it.

And where are the great figures in our modern age? People devoting their lives to physical work? Where the philosophers? Where are the Luthers, the Mohammed Ali Pashas, the Napoleons, the Hannibals, the Julius Caesars, the Charlemagnes?

We are in a golden age in comfort. And that is mainly only the West. People don't question existence anymore. They see the world from their own dull perception. People don't think of the "will" or their mundane desires. They readily drink, fap, glutton, and practice sloth. People don't think that fearing black-clad men in some country they know nothing about is a bit unreasonable. They freely listen to whatever the television tells them.

To go on the path towards monasticism is in no way cowardice. Resisting pleasures, while also working yourself, is quite the opposite of cowardice. Cowardice is letting mundane desires rule your existence. An existence you can't even contemplate beyond the dull, school-certified perception thereof.

>>505856
>And where are the great figures in our modern age? People devoting their lives to physical work? Where the philosophers? Where are the Luthers, the Mohammed Ali Pashas, the Napoleons, the Hannibals, the Julius Caesars, the Charlemagnes?
All around you

>We are in a golden age in comfort.
Comfort allows greatness. It is only in times of great comfort that the will for anything but survival is afforded. Compare the dreams of a westerner to that of an Indian. A westerner will want to be a poet, an artist, a millionaire. an Indian will want to get to the west and open a corner shop.

>People don't question existence anymore. They see the world from their own dull perception. People don't think of the "will" or their mundane desires. They readily drink, fap, glutton, and practice sloth. People don't think that fearing black-clad men in some country they know nothing about is a bit unreasonable. They freely listen to whatever the television tells them.
I think you have a romantic view of people in the past, especially seeing as you speak in defense of religion. People's minds are open and the marketplace of ideas is bustling like it never has been. You speak of excess as though there is some virtue in denying yourself in service to a foreign idea.

>To go on the path towards monasticism is in no way cowardice. Resisting pleasures, while also working yourself, is quite the opposite of cowardice.
If that is what you want, of course. If it is done because you've been possessed by the ghost of "virtue" so that your actions are not your own then I would call that cowardice.

>Cowardice is letting mundane desires rule your existence.
Those desires are a part of you, Why do you fear them?

>>505924
>Comfort allows greatness. It is only in times of great comfort that the will for anything but survival is afforded. Compare the dreams of a westerner to that of an Indian. A westerner will want to be a poet, an artist, a millionaire. an Indian will want to get to the west and open a corner shop.
Yet arguably most Westerners fail at their ambitions, and then go to the next best career while the Indian actually does open a corner shop.

>I think you have a romantic view of people in the past, especially seeing as you speak in defense of religion. People's minds are open and the marketplace of ideas is bustling like it never has been. You speak of excess as though there is some virtue in denying yourself in service to a foreign idea.
I don't hold a romantic view of the past. I recognize living was a struggle. But that's the point: struggle creates success.

Ask the average person about Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, etc. I daresay most will have not heard of these minds, nor their ideas. Don't get me wrong, people of course have their own view on life. However, these views are extremely simplified and most likely influenced by MSM rather than experiences and/or independent thought.

>If it is done because you've been possessed by the ghost of "virtue" so that your actions are not your own then I would call that cowardice.
Going your mundane desires, or "will" as Schopenhauer described, is a war. You must completely cut yourself off from yearnings. You must then consistently resist random occurring urges. It is much easier to sit on your couch than to get up and walk to a park. It's much easier to look at porn than to talk to a woman. It's much easier to take a hit of the crackpipe instead of smashing it.

>Those desires are a part of you, Why do you fear them?
They are not a part of me, they are a part of this world! I was skinnyfat beta who fapped to porn everyday. I couldn't talk to girls, diddylift lmao1pl8, or stand up for myself. Con't

>>505924
>>506138
Con't:

It was only through small doses of monasticism that my fate was changed.

For I changed my diet, changed my autistic style, gave up vidya, gave up porn, gave up autism, and began talking to girls and eventually killed my eternal lethargy and committed myself to picking up the barbell.

If I had not resisted those desires, I would still be a disgusting beta.

>>505299
>Leibniz invented calculus
>Kant revolutionized metaphysics
>Voltaire simply said mean things and misunderstood Leibniz in his work Candide

>voltaire
>important
just as there are meme philosophers, there are meme people, and you're one of them.

>>505741
>Charity, love, humility, and the resisting of desires =/= purposely destabilizing an area to create more cause for war while also demolishing a rich culture

He never claimed that. The interpersonal morality of your average person is still basically Christian these days. We still champion weakness and encourage passivity.

>>505856
>People devoting their lives to physical work?

All over the place. Go get a job in a mill, you simp.

>Where are the philosophers.

In institutions of education, where they have frequently been.

>And where are the great figures in our modern age? Where are the Luthers, the Mohammed Ali Pashas, the Napoleons, the Hannibals, the Julius Caesars, the Charlemagnes?

Around. None of them can be none as great figures until after the fact.

Meanwhile, why aren't you out doing great things right now? Why are you whining on an imageboard when you could be striving to be the next Alexander? Face it, he's exactly right: you're a fucking coward.

>>508261
>Voltaire only wrote Candide
How can someone be so retarded?

>>508315
>Meanwhile, why aren't you out doing great things right now?
1. I'm doing Smolov do get my squat numbers up
2. Assassination
3. I prefer to edify rather than to kill

>>508350
>squat numbers

Oh yeah, some real greatness right there. You'll go down in history for that.

>assassination

Cowardice.

>I prefer to edify rather than to kill

Lots of great figures didn't kill a soul. Why aren't you out striving to be one of them?

>>508303
>We still champion weakness and encourage passivity.
Christianity never championed weakness. It only encouraged helping the weak. If anything, Christianity encourages strengthening oneself. After all, our bodies are temples of the Lord. Also, it never encouraged being "passive". See Luke 22:36

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>>508371
>Oh yeah, some real greatness right there. You'll go down in history for that.
Pic related makes history off of it. Also, strength and/or aesthetics are helpful in swaying others. Why do you think Arnold became governor of California?

>Cowardice.
Arguably. However, looking to the numbers done on people like Gaddafi, Saddam, etc. it is evident that such a cause would be short lived and in vain.

>Lots of great figures didn't kill a soul. Why aren't you out striving to be one of them?
I am. However, at this moment, it is easier to influence others to start their journey on such a path. For uni isn't over yet, and I am not yet fluent enough in Spanish to get hired at an Argentinian restaurant.

>>508350
Your goals are still postmodern as fuck. Yeah, I enjoy lifting, but take this "muh lifting is spiritual" bullshit away. Plato was amazing at gimnastics, yet he became known for his intelectual work.

>>505075
adding humanities to the board was a mistake

>>508400
Yet somehow you find time to whine on the internet about philosophers who aren't popularly followed and how they ruined everything for everyone. You're a hypocrite and a coward, making excuses for your laziness. If you're such a champion of greatness, go be great.

>>508375
Denying yourself is a weakness (and before you try to claim that this should lead into pathetic hedonism, so is refusing to master your desires). Christianity was entirely a matter of turning what you didn't have but wanted into sin (wealth, power, sex, luxury, comfort, the ability to strike back at your enemies), and taking what you did have and didn't want and turning it into a virtue to deal better with your lot. There's a reason it was first most popular among a downtrodden underclass.

>>505169
Most satires are strawman arguments, since they're supposed to show the ridiculous side of the opponents' arguments.

Doesn't mean that Candide isn't funny, though.

>>508331
>implying i said voltaire only wrote candide
>even then, it's considered his magnus opus, a writer who is supposedly a philosopher
how can a person be so retarded?

>>508412
I agree. turn /his/ into a pure historical board and let /lit/ be the defacto philosophy board again. This was a split that shouldn't have happened.

>>508412
Agreed. It forces the humanities to mingle with /pol/tards who refuse to discuss things in good faith.

>>508436
>so is refusing to master your desires
Monasticism is essentially mastering them.

As for Christianity, it's purpose was not to make out the upperclass to be sinners. It was simply ushering the belief that worldly materials should not define a man. Christianity is about acquiring spiritual harmony, i.e balancing the infinite and the finite i.e. Nirvana i.e. Asceticism

Christianity gained popularity with the lower masses because it indirectly denied Roman authority, which the lower classes were unhappy with.

>>508481
>even then, it's considered his magnus opus, a writer who is supposedly a philosopher
That's the most retarded assertion I've ever read
His "philosophical tales" are a comma in his career, he was majorly a playwright and a poet.
There's even a myth saying that he wrote Candid "in three days". It's a little funny tale without pretentiousness, it's faaar from being his magnum opus

>>508429
My point was we live in a world where aspiring for greatness gains one the title of pariah.

As much as I want greatness, I'd prefer just to witness it. That's why I'm on an Uzbek bride thievery forum. To inspire courage unto others.

>>508536
>it's faaar from being his magnum opus
tell that to the western canon

>>508518
>Monasticism is essentially mastering them.

No, monasticism is outright rejecting them, which is effectively allowing yourself to be mastered by your desires, since they still fundamentally define your existence.

>As for Christianity, it's purpose was not to make out the upperclass to be sinners.

Yet that's exactly what it did.

>It was simply ushering the belief that worldly materials should not define a man. Christianity is about acquiring spiritual harmony, i.e balancing the infinite and the finite i.e. Nirvana i.e. Asceticism

It's very convenient that doing so involves lauding those who have nothing, isn't it?

>Christianity gained popularity with the lower masses because it indirectly denied Roman authority, which the lower classes were unhappy with.

Indeed, which involved turning them into the great heroes of faith by making weakness and denial into heroism, where Roman religion championed those who had strength and could do well in a material sense.

>>508537
>My point was we live in a world where aspiring for greatness gains one the title of pariah.

Why would anyone who wasn't a coward care?

>As much as I want greatness, I'd prefer just to witness it. That's why I'm on an Uzbek bride thievery forum. To inspire courage unto others.

So you're too weak to take it for yourself and try to live vicariously through others?

>>508481
>magnus opus
lel

>>505765

kill yourself. the only golden age here is technology, which is independent from social issues.

we're digging our graves thats all we're doing, positivist.

>>510507
Where did he voice an even remotely positivist position there?

Also I agree that we're in a golden age. The amount of ideas and culture the average person has access to, and the contributions being made has exploded due to the rise of communications technology.