>go to /his/ >no Africa thread Let's fix that! Post

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Traditional Swahili architecture

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Ruins of a mosque

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Further down the coast of East Africa, the ruins of Great Zimbabwe.

Has anyone here ever travelled to Africa? What was it like?

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>>3352219
Remember, Africa is a huge continent.

>>3352191
Could National Socialism have worked somewhere in Africa?

What was the closest it came to doing so?

Not trolling, I'm legitimately curious.

Tichitt Oualata, a settlement first built by the Soninke people, the ancestors of the founders of the Ghana empire.

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>>3352231
Be more specific. As I am half Tanzanian, I know a lot about the politics of Africa, and could give you some examples, but it really depends on how loose your definition of national socialism is.
>>3352241
Oops, forgot to add a picture.

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More of Tichitt.

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Ethiopian church.

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I know nothing about the Muslim colonization/settlement/conversion of the eastern coast of Africa.
Can I get a greentext?

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Another Ethiopian church.

>>3352258
Either fascism or just bolshevism (which if you are really technical about it, is a form of national socialism).
Mostly interested in the idea of a strong central government actually getting some degree o success in the post-colonial enviroment, but I don't know much about Africa (as in, I know nothing).

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>>3352287
OP here. Here is an Arab depiction of Swahili sailors (some of the best in the world) on a ship with Arabs. I'm too lazy to greentext, but this article is short and sweet and covers it all very well (trust me, I know my African history) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Africa

>>3352302
I've heard the Bantu started somewhere in the Cameroons and then went into South Africa, becoming the dominant lingustic/ethnic group. How similar was it similar to the Volkerwanderung? Were they pressured by another group?

Sidenote - if you were to focus foreign investment into Africa, but had to circumvent corruption, how would you do it?

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>>3352291
One of my home countries, Tanzania, might be a good example. Burkina Faso too, I guess. Lots of African nations have flirted with/collaborated with Communist states or adapted fascist policies. I don't really know, man, African politics are... different, I guess you could say. I'll link you some wikipedia articles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sankara
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Nyerere
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ujamaa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nkrumaism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin

>>3352328
A widely accepted hypothesis is that they dominated so much because they had agriculture, ironworking and the making of ceramics.

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More Ethiopian architecture.

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>>3352191

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Ruins of an Ethiopian castle.

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Also from Ethiopia.

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Ethiopian obelisk

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One of the bronze heads from Ife, Nigeria.

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Torso made in the same style.

This is a sculpture of the Nok civilization, a mysterious bronze iron people who lived in modern day Nigeria. You can tell where the people at Ife got their skills from.

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>>3352468
Silly me, forgot to add the picture again.

>>3352379
In your personal experience, what is Tanzania's biggest concerns?

>>3352222
I member

>>3352258
Was Tanzania part of the non-aligned movement?

How did Ethiopia hold out against European colonialism for so long?

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>>3352597
Hm, that is hard to say. Tanzania is one of the few countries in Africa that hasn't had a civil war or internal conflict of any sort along ethnic or religious lines. Some key words are corruption, growth, industrialization, political stability, more freedom of speech, urbanization. It is like any other rapidly growing African country, only richer and more politically stabile. I love the president, even though he has done some shady things. The good he does weighs up for the bad (which is only some minor stuff). I can elaborate on the pros and cons of the ruling party if you'd like me to.

>>3352617
Yes, it was.

>>3352231
I think not.The problem is africa is too divided and tribalist to push a nationalist/ethnic centric ideology.

>>3352671
Formidable terrain, a central government capable of fighting back would be colonizers, experience with foreigners (unlike the Aztecs who thought their colonizer was a god, the Ethiopians knew what was up) and the most important trait, Christianity. Being a Christian nation, Ethiopia unlike the rest of Africa enjoyed a sort of Pax Christ because in Europe it was frowned upon to be aggressive towards fellow Christian nations, ignoring age old animosities within Europe.

>>3352672
How are Tanzania's relationships with neighboring countries?

>>3352678
Not all of Africa is, though.

>>3352714
Excellent. We even liberated Uganda from the brutal reign of Idi Amin after he tried to cease some of our land. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda%E2%80%93Tanzania_War

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Sadly, not much is known about them, but they were a huge civilization at their peak.

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These are some of the "Benin bronzes" from the Benin empire.

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A city in Benin

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Some of the most beautiful art to come out of Africa.

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The palace of the Oba (head of state) of Benin

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What a scene in Benin might have looked like

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Enough Benin for now. This is a traditional city in Mali, along what is called the Nile of The West, the Niger river.

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>>3352945

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Same style as the other two

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Cliff houses of the Dogon people in Mali.

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Outskirts of Timbuktu, the capitl of Mali

Very comfy thread, OP. What are some of the religious traditions in Tanzania like, and generally that area of Africa? More specifically wondering about the non-Abrahamic religions.

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>>3352191
>a comfy Swahili home.

It looks so poor without these comfy portuguese cannons

>>3352219
Africa's a big place and its different throughout
I went to Senegal, but just within Senegal the difference between Dakar where I stayed most of the trip (around three months), there, and the southern region (Casamance), is huge. Dakar is a major city, its dry and its arid, its cosmopolitan and filled with street hawkers, but you go to other places and there's village life - not mud huts or anything, but people just living normal rural lives.
Climatically, I just went a couple hundred kilometers away, and it was like being in tropical afterwards, when just a bit to the north it was like the Sahara.
The general rule though is that most often Africa is more developed and less bloody than we think of it, Dakar was more like a South American city transplanted into the desert rather than mud huts, and even in the countryside its a lot more than just dirt buildings.
But it really is too diverse of a continent to say, its like if I went to Kazakhstan and then was asked "What's Asia like?"

>>3352980
Thank you. Sadly, few of the traditional religions of East Africa have survived. Here are some wikipedia articles on the most widespread traditional African beliefs in East Africa. Of course, there are more, but there are more ethnic groups than I can count and it is very hard to find information on a lot of them and their beliefs. Those three articles I linked should be a good start, though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_mythology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lozi_mythology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumbuka_mythology

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>>3352993
hmmmm

>>3353010

Damn, those niggas really had something.. oh did we ruin it? Or was it the bantu people?

>>3353067
>how did we ruin it?

fixed

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>>3352191

>>3353067
No, these homes belonged to wealthy Bantu.

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>>3353067
OP here, watch this and you'll be granted answers. Pic related is a Swahili boat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm0gN5TRNyE

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House in Cameroon.

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>>3353097
And this is a traditional Swahili door.

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>>3352191
The pre-colonial city of Loango.

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The king and his entourage outside the huge capitol of Benin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walls_of_Benin

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Ruins of a Nubian temple.

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Nubian houses

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Nubian pyramids

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>European architecture
that is literally how lame and uninformed your post is

>>3353185
Meant to respond to >>3353077

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Gonna post some African swords now

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>>3352929
Another bronze plaque from Benin

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More cool swords

>>3353097
Wow, thank you. Until now, I'd mostly bought into the media's view of pre-colonial Africa as this primitive, uncultured place. This video certainly proved me wrong.

>>3353274
I'm glad my posting helped enlighten someone. Just a question; you didn't know about anything else I posted either?

>>3352920
What would that armor of the footsoldiers be made of?

>>3353283
I had some vague preconceptions of there being some cities, but I didn't know the full elegance of the Swahili ports.

>>3353204
>>3353207
>>3353215
Is there a purpose to the wide part near the bottom of the scabbard? Or just cosmetic.


>>3352302
>swahili sailors
huh, I remember this was on the cover of one of my old textbooks and it saying they were Sindhi.

>>3353306
This should give you some insight. I'm too lazy to explain.

>>3353333
Forgot to post a link http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Benin_Imperial_Army_(Principia_Moderni_IV_Map_Game)

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Did the Nubians do anything besides get their shit pushed in and have one brief dynasty in Egypt until getting raped by the Assyrians?

>>3353332
Weird. The picture is from a Persian manuscript and is said to depict Swahili sailors. I don't hink there is a purpose to the wide part, I think it is just there for cosmetic reasons.

>>3353344
They did a fuckton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubia

>>3353344
I don't know how early you want with "Nubia" but I've heard that the people in that area/Sudan were the first to successfully repel Islamic advances.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Dongola

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>>3353350
Not according to Wikipedia. They're basically just the negroid people who lived next to the Egyptians.

How boring.

>>3353508
>next to the Egyptians
>negroid people
Nice understanding of history you have there.

>>3352993
RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>3353067
the portuguese did

>>3353640
>Egyptians
>Negroid
Nice understanding of history you have there

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>>3353717
Where in my post did I imply that? Although I can provide proof for so-called "negroids" having a whole lot to do with Egypt if you're interested in actually having a discussion.

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>>3353717
>Egypt wasn't full of black people since way before it was even Egypt
nice fucking meme

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>>3353717
yeah, totally

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>>3353717
lmaooo do you even know where the ancient Egyptians migrated from? You're embarrassing yourself.

>>3352191
bump africa is cool

>>3352219

I went to Morocco, it seemed nice

>>3353795
>>3353804
>>3353820
Samefag. Egyptians had a Caucasoid phenotype :/

Also
>Think mentuhotep was black
The only black Pharoah was in the 26th dynasty, silly.
>>3353344
Here is a picture of Africans vs Caucasians.

>>3353978
Hmm, no sources. Weird.

This thread alone has fully brought me away from /pol/'s trickery. Upon first discovering /his/, I learned that anglos were not a dominating force of the world, that Germanic Vikings were not a sophisticated warrior tribe, that Greeks and Romans were indeed mostly olive skinned, and that Egypt was ruled by many dynasties of different races, but there mere mention of "hurr Durr Africa nevar did shit guize, blackie BTFO XD" would pretty much cause me to nod my head because I was ignorant. Thank you OP, you've educated me and showed me that Africa was indeed sophisticated and the continent as a whole developed respectable societies with beautiful architecture and craftsmanship. I hope some anon can compile a nice infographic with all these images and information to put those /pol/acks in their place.
This truly is a glorious board.

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>>3353988
Also, I like how the one post of mine you ignored is the one with DNA evidence. Where is your proof that there was only one kind of Egyptian and that the only black pharaoh was in the 26th dynasty?

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>>3354004
OP here, I have been thinkin of compiling a few infographics debunking /pol/ bullshit regarding Africa, but I've been too lazy to do so.

>>3354018
That alone would become a counter culture of memery by itself. The information you hold can cause a meme war within /pol/, even all of 4chan. Do it. Fucks sake, make a thread out of it, other /his/torians can help edit the infographic to perfection

>>3354004

Honestly the fact that American blacks were taught "blacks never accomplished anything on their own" for centuries is the whole reason we have the WE WUZ KANGS idea to begin with. If blacks weren't lied to and taught about the Mali, old Ethiopa, the Kongo Empire, etc, they wouldn't feel the need to steal the cultures of other people to begin with.

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>>3354033
You know what? I think I'll do just that. I'll get to work in paint and get back to you if the thread doesn't die before I'm finished. All of the pictures in the thread are from me anyway, so it shouldn't be too hard.

>>3353988
>Ignoring my sources
Hmm... Rly makes u think

>>3354060
Ok, I must be blind. Would you mind posting them again?

>>3354012
You can look him up? Also your genetic evidence shows for 6 pharoahs out of- how many again? I

>>3354062
>Show ancient egyptian artwork that depicts Nubians as being separate in ethnic composition from Egyptians
>Dude where are your sources
You can just examine the skills of the pharoah statues and see that they had Caucasoid phenotypical features, and I'm not just talking about Cleopatra and Ptolemy I Soter. Daily tinder that old King Tut tested positive for R1b1a2, :^)

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>>3353097
>Pic here is a Swahili boat
That was given to the natives by Arabs... Just like most of their castles and architecture

>>3352677
How do you feel about it? The movement I mean. I adored it as I was growing up, but I am not sure if it ever did anything at all.

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>>3354122
There are too many Egyptian statues to count, and I doubt all of them have Caucasoid phenotypical features. Here is a statue of Taharqam a Nubian pharaoh. Looks pretty white to me. Does that mean he wasn't black, or what?

>>3354174
I meant to write Taharqa

>>3354174

Nubians are caucasoids you retard.

>>3354142
>cultural exchange isn't a legitimate way of gaining new technologies when it's Africans doing it
what a used up argument

>>3354180
You get my point. In the famous statue of him as a sphinx, he looks full on negroid. The way Egyptians depicted themselves and their leaders changed a lot and the depictions weren't always naturalistic. Pointing out that some Egyptian statues have X or Y traits doesn't do much for your argument.

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>>3354197
I can provide lots of images of Nubians depicted beside Egyptians where the only difference between them is that one is brown and another is full on black. Pic related is Ahmose-Nefertari (a Nubian woman) and her mixed son.

>>3354122
>tested positive for R1b1a2
and?

>>3352728
>cease
Seize, fyi

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>>3354212
A statue of Ahmose-Nefertari

>>3354227
Oops, didn't notice that. English isn't my first language.

>>3354142
The same can be said about many cultures on different continents. There was a time where Europe was completely hunger gatherer, until some Middle Eastern people brought domesticated animals (besides the dog and arguably the horse thanks to East Europe and Central Asia sharing cultures) and agriculture. Not to mention early civilization, trading between the Mediterranean cultures of Southern Europe and Northern Africa/The Middle East, etc.

>>3354242
>hunger

*hunter

>>3354242
Don't listen to people like this guy, they're just out to discredit Africans. You probably saw it, but my post >>3354181 makes the same argument as yours.

>>3354181
>cultural exchange
>Exchange
It's not an exchange if you can't preserve the knowledge or infrastructure given to you by other folk :/
>>3354242
>Middle easterners
You mean other Caucasians then. Other people learned how to farm without assistance from Mesopotamia. See Mesa Verde, Inca, Maya, etc. What makes Africans different is that they actively chose not to farm en masse for thousands of years - because frankly they didn't need to in many places.

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>>3354247
What is there to discredit? All you can do to redeem them is make an Apex fallacy

>>3354287
>other Caucasians
why is this relevant again?

>>3354292
Why is it not relevant again?

>>3354291
What there is to discredit? Don't you know anything about history? Also, hmmm, I wonder why black people (who get randomly stopped more by the police, more wrongfully convicted, longer sentences for the same crimes etc) land in prison more than white people. Weird. Also, posting black American crime statistics in a thread about African history says a lot about what type of person you are. Pathetic lmao.

>>3354294
Because them being caucasoid has nothing to do with it.

>>3354247
But I wasn't discrediting Africans, I was just saying that his point is invalid. Sorry.

>>3354287
I don't think you know exactly how different ancient HG Europeans looked back then before farming anon.

>>3354311
I was too. My post was agreeing with you. I was telling you not to listen to guys like him.

>>3354305
>A tenfold increase in incarceration rates is because of racism
Lol
>I-its because of conviction rates
Lol
>It's because they're poor and oppressed
Lol

All of that was debunked in one study. The one I just showed you. Sorry anon, but anti-social personality traits are more genetic than environmental.

>>3354318
>Dude if someone disagrees with you about something then just ignore them
And that's how inferior dialectic is created

>>3354311
>I don't think you know exactly how different ancient HG Europeans looked back then before farming anon
Am perfect aware T b h

>>3354308
How so?

>>3354349
I wasn't saying "ignore him", I was saying "don't take what he has to say to heart/as fact"

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>>3354346
>>3354352
I knew it, lmao. Idk why people like you have to shit up my threads. You are really fragile.

>>3354353
Fair enough. .

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>>3354359
Also, how has the fact that poverty and systematic oppression leads to crime been debunked?

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>>3354359
>Ha, I'm just going to ignore your points because you're the fragile one and not me
Whatever you say cupcake

>>3354365
Ok. Give me your facts and we'll talk.

>>3354364
Did you just not notice how the graph is organized? By wealth, race, and incarceration rates, where wealth doesn't affect criminality as much as race, implying that criminality is more genetic than environmental?

>>3354368
I just did and you ignored it. Zaw and Darrity 2016

>>3354370
Soooo, their genetics is why they get longer sentences for the same crimes, for example?

>>3354377
No their genetics is why the have a tendency to commit more crimes and have priors that affect future sentences,

>>3354375
>“When it comes to wealth and incarceration outcomes, the disadvantages of being black or Hispanic compound the disadvantages of poverty.”
and
>"Even though the obvious racial disparity does shrink as levels of wealth grow, it is never fully eliminated. According to Zaw, this might be because of other economic factors, such as the wealth of extended family members, or factors such as education, job experience and social connections."
and
>“To the best of my knowledge, this is the first study to look at the impact of prior wealth on the odds of incarceration and to demonstrate that wealth does not provide the same degree of insulation from imprisonment for black and Hispanic males as it does for white males,” said co-author William A. Darity. Darity is a professor of public policy, African and African American studies and economics at Duke University's Sanford School of Public Policy.

Copy pasted straight from the study. Did you even read it?

>>3354383
See >>3354389

>>3354389
>>3354392
My point is, the people that did this study seem to disagree with you.

>>3354389
Yes, I did read it, and obviously the person who made the study has to distance himself from the results of his conclusions just like Robert Putnam tried to distance himself from Bowling Alone. He saying
>Might be
>Could be
>Maybe
Because it's the authors own opinion on the matter, rather than what his data shows. We know for instance that their are genes like MAO-A that varies on a racial basis and correlates highly with the development of anti-social personality traits. Meaning, other races have higher tendencies to distribute this gene and exhibit anti-social personality traits when compared to others.

>>3354401
>results of his conclusions
*Results of his data

>>3354401
Also, as an aside, this does not mean every black person by nature of their racial heritage is a criminal. This means black folk on a collective basis have a higher prevelancy of inheriting criminal attributes. You still have to separate the individual from the collective.

>>3354401
The authors of a study I read found that violent criminal behavior was only significantly associated with boys who had the mutant gene and were abused or neglected as children. Simple. More young black boys are abused and/or neglected as children. I can tell by your way of arguing that you just glance over data and go with whatever fits your racist agenda.

>>3354422
See >>3354422 as it explains the "black folk on a collective basis have a higher prevelancy of inheriting criminal attributes" part if you wanna go about it using genetics.

>>3354427
Link to the study.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16801953

>>3354423
>The authors of a study I read found that violent criminal behavior was only significantly associated with boys who had the mutant gene and were abused or neglected as children.
When I say it correlates with criminal behavior , I mean that it is also corrected for by environmental influences, which it is and does. Trans racial adoption studies usually come out on the side of biological determinism.
>If you disagree with me it's because you have to be dogmatic
No

>>3354431
Link to those adoption studies? The fact that black kids do worse is explained by the discrimination they face from a young age. I never got why people cite transracial adoption studies in this debate. It's not like black kids adopted into white families turn white.

>>3354436
To add to this, it is very telling how you so desperately want to explain this away as genetics.

>>3354427
That was me you linked to :/

That still means black people are more likely to exhibit violent and impulsive behavior than whites with or without environmental influences. That doesn't necessarily give you the right to discriminate against them, but it still matters when you are dealing with demographic problems and trying to understand the black community, denial of this fact is more harmful than it does good.

>>3354430
Sure
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2174903/

That's one of them

>>3354436
Woops
>>3354450

>>3354448
What you aren't getting is that being adopted into a one family or the other only has so much to say for how you turn out. There is a huge amount of variables. You can't just *insert white parent* and expect a black person to do well.

>>3354458
Ever had kids? Been a teacher? Because if you were either of these things and had multiple kids/students, you'd realize that their is only so much you can do. What modern neuroscience has conclusively proven is that much of our personality, from the time we are children to adults, is a permenant and unchanging quintessence that can't be taught away with parenting methods or teaching strategies.

No, giving a black kid to white parents does not make them inherently successful, I'm not trying to say that. What I am saying is that black folk.have their own collective quintessence just like any other racial and ethnic group that goes beyond the individual. That doesn't mean every black person is the mean, as their are always outliers, but the mean can't be ignores either when we are talking about the macro scale demographics.

>>3354467
>What I am saying is that black folk.have their own collective quintessence just like any other racial and ethnic group that goes beyond the individual.
> What I am saying is that black folk.have their own collective quintessence just like any other racial and ethnic group that goes beyond the individual.
Define "black folk" for me, please. After you've done that, provide proof of that group of people sharing a specific set of traits that cause their failure in society.

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>A decent thread devolves into race-baiting
Every time. I knew it was too good to be true.

>>3354475
Higher than average testosterone levels compared to other races leading to easier muscle development, high time preference, lower mean IQ than most populations (especially in terms of verbal IQ), higher prevelancy of anti-social personality traits due to genetic differences (as we discussed) combined with higher testosterone levels leading to a more impulsive and aggressive mean average... I could go on.

If this doesn't describe black folk, then please enlighten me.

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>>3354483
Why can't we have a decent thread about the African race without calling each other niggers and /pol/? You realize we are a humanities board as well, right?

>>3354489
>>3354483
It's not my fault he came into my thread (where I wasn't even race-baiting or trolling, simply sharing images I thought were cool) claiming black people are genetically inferior.

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>>3354496
>genetically inferior.
Literally when did I say this? Different =/= inferior

>>3354291
I really wish this data was more recent.

>>3354503
The study came out in 2016, studying a people decades prior sure but it's the most recent and accurate study we have. These things aren't easy or cheap to make btw

>>3354500
You implied that and you know it.

>>3354486
>Higher than average testosterone levels compared to other races
Nope, sorry. Nice try, though. https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-lookup/doi/10.1210/jc.2007-0028#sthash.upN1JM1J.dpuf
Also, where is your proof that black (which you still haven't even explained what you mean by) IQ is lower because of genetics?
>higher prevelancy of anti-social personality traits due to genetic differences
Wrong, I debunked that. See >>3354430 I have to keep reminding you to define black people. Without a proper definition, none of your arguments regarding what you consider "black people" make any sense.

>>3354509
He is just being disingenuous. Of course someone with a lower IQ because of his genetics would be considered inferior. He just can't admit that, since it'll blow his cover.

>>3354509
No I didn't. Just because someone is easier to anger and is more impulsive does not make them inferior to others , neither does being of common or lower intelligence. I don't know about you, but I don't spit on someone just because I'm smarter than them. Neither do I hate someone because they have a shorter fuse.

Personally I find people simple people to be far better company and more charming than intelligent people who think far too highly of themselves because they were born with innate talents. Just because I believe race exists and matter does not mean I view race as being some Darwinian struggle for supremacy over others. Different folk are different and evolved differently according to their environments. That's all.

>>3354525
>Of course someone with a lower IQ because of his genetics would be considered inferior.
Literally how?

>>3354529
But you're wrong, though. Believe in race all you wont, but you have a shit basis for doing so.

>>3354533
>wont
want* I'm tired

>>3354519
>2007
>Probably doesn't correct for obesity rates
Yeah sure
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3455741
Here is one study that says otherwise
>I debunked that
No you didn't , just because you posted a study that says "environmental and genetic" does not mean that when corrected for environmental influences that these genes do not correlate to anti-social behavior.

>>3354533
>Believe in race all you wont, but you have a shit basis for doing so.
Why? You've done nothing to discredit anything I've said

>>3354544
Show me, then, a study where they correct for environmental influences.
>>3354551
Nothing except posting lots of studies and deconstructing your arguments. Also, for the love of God, define "black people".

>>3354555
>Define black people
>>3354486
You must be VERY tired right now.
>Provide study
>>3354450

>>3354489
>Why can't we have a decent thread about the African race
The topic of this thread is African HISTORY.
Waltzing in and posting contemporary statistics on black Americans have nothing to do with historical occurrences in Africa. You're literally too autistic to understand when something is relevant to the topic or not and just cry muh humanities as an excuse.

>>3354496
That's fine, just Jesus Christ don't respond to him.

>>3354569
>Understanding how certain folk operate has nothing to do with understanding their history
Do you read what you write before you post it?

>>3354555
Personally, I think my explanation (the gene being brought out in environments to which black boys are exposed more frequently) is a lot stronger
>>3354565
Wow, you are an idiot, my man. I'm tired, but you appear to be almost asleep. What I'm saying is that you have to define "black people" i.e. tell me which humans fit into the "black people" category in order for the term to have any meaning genetically speaking. I wasn't asking for some racist description.
>>3354569
I have to. I'm tired of seeing people like him parading around like they're right without being met with resistance. It makes it easier for them to convince others when no one argues against them.

>>3354582
>I wasn't asking for some racist description.
>Racist
Just and anti-dialogical buzzword for morons. What are you, in the ANC or something? Tell me how any of my descriptions of Africans on the collective level are wrong without using any buzzwords?

Let's see if you're up for it.
>Parading myself around as being right
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

>>3354580
You're a fucking idiot if you think black Americans have anything to do with this discussion. Same race of people or not, the lineage of the majority of them has been based in America for centuries now. You have a chip on your shoulder and jump at any opportunity to have a racial discussion. Fuck off.

>>3354401
and you're saying it
>might be
>could be
>maybe
for genetic reasons

>>3354592
I have told you, but you are not responding to it. Racism isn't a buzzword when it is used correctly. You still haven't even described what you mean by "black people" or "Africans", so your arguments don't make any sense. I disproved your claim that black people have more testosterone - you didn't respond. I disproved your claim that black people are more aggressive because of a gene - you were silent. You haven't even provided any evidence regarding "Africans as a whole", so what is there even to debunk on that part? You're avoiding my arguments and accusing me of using buzzwords when you could have just posted sources debunking my arguments, when I did the same thing with yours. Nice try calling me ANC, lmao.

>>3354614
Thank you. He is just assuming things based on his racist pre-conceived notions. I even provided strong evidence that it has to do with their environment, but he didn't respond.

>>3354610
>Black Americans
Have an 85 average IQ (well above the mean for Africa) due to miscegenation amongst whites and yes still are genetically related to their African relatives in the continent itself. I know actual Africans don't necessarily approve of African Americans, but this is still and objective fact.
>Dude why are you talking about race when we talk about African history
Because I like to think of history with the folk said history is about in every context regardless of region or folk, but for some reason every time I talk about this amongst Africans this causes a big stir for no fucking reason? Sure I can call Germans a bunch of spergs since the Roman era, but noooo don't talk about Africans.

It's how I view history, and the lens that we views history with is up for debate on /his/.

>>3354614
Except we have concrete evidence of MAO-A varying by race, and MAO-A correlating to anti-social personality traits. This is no longer a "could be" speculation in that context, we don't have studies conclusively proving that mean behavioral differences between blacks and whites are due solely to intergenerational income gaps solely, nor do we have any studies that are 100% pro environmental determininism

>>3354616
>You still haven't even described what you mean by "black people" or "Africans", so your arguments don't make any sense.
>>3354486
Yes I have
> I disproved your claim that black people have more testosterone - you didn't respond.
Yes I have
>>3354519

You're basically just ignoring everything I say so you can say "wah racism" and waste my time.

>>3354623
Provide proof of black americans being genetically predisposed to have IQs of 85. You're either gonna have to do that, or accept the evidence pointing to the environment being the culprit. The U.S. population have shown an increase of about 3 points in the average IQ score every decade. Does that mean America was composed of retards a couple of decades ago? Also, get out of here with that strawmanning. Don't play dumb. Hmmmm, why would Africans react badly to being called low IQ, violent and dumb and being blamed for their bad situation? You probably haven't come up with a bunch of genetic explanations for why Germans are "spergs" as you say, but insist on doing that for Africans.

>>3354623
You can't just choose how you view history.

>>3354623
The point is that they're not entirely the same group of people anymore. It'd be like drawing a link between modern white Americans in a thread about European antiquity, completely fucking irrelevant. I hope you get shot.

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>>3354642
>Provide proof of black americans being genetically predisposed to have IQs of 85.
Pic related
>Black people don't take kindly to being called simple folk with short fuses
Why? Life isn't a contest, and facts are facts.

>>3354639
Are you really dense or are you just trolling? I asked you to define who black people are GENETICALLY, not describe what you think they're like. I asked you to define for me who you mean when talking about Africans/black people. Who is an African and who is not? Where does the line go between black and non-black? How is you saying they have higher testosterone proof? Do you expect me to just accept that? If you have any studies proving it (i.e. disproving my study claiming the opposite), please post them. I must have missed them amid all the posts. How am I saying "wah racism?". Do all my arguments fall short because I called your description of black people in general as more violent and stupid racist? Well, if that is your definition of crying racism, so be it.

>>3354654
>The point is that they're not entirely the same group of people anymore.
Except they are, just with different cultures. You really don't get how this neuroscience and genetics thing works, do you?
>I hope you get shot
Rude

>>3354657
Where is the genetic evidence? I'm not seeing any.
>so what
Nothing. You just said you didn't get why black people were angry when they are called dumb and violent, so I cleared it up for you. Nothing more.

>>3354666
Still waiting for you to respond properly to >>3354662 and >>3354642 and >>3354616 with actual facts and studies

>>3354666
Prove to me that they are genetically similiar to whatever you mean when you say "Africans". Is a Tanzanian genetically similiar to the average black American? No. Some West and Central Africans are, though. Africa is the most genetically diverse continent on the Earth, so lumping them all in with eachother is a weird and un-scientific way of looking at it.

>>3354666
>You really don't get how this neuroscience and genetics thing works, do you?
You don't understand what the word irrelevant means, do you?
>neuroscience and genetics
Take it to /sci/. Most likely they'll tell you to fuck off too.

>>3354662
>Define Africans
Negroids
>Where does the line between black and non-black go
Negroid and non negroid.
>please post them
I've linked you to them over and over and again. You're not even reading them lmao
>All black people are violent and stupid
No I said that black people are more likely to.exhibit anti-social personality traits. Not really disproving this by getting angry, not reading what I'm posting, and using buzzwords.

I'll say it again.
>What's wrong with simple people
And
>What's wrong with people who have short fuses

>>3354675
>Is a Tanzanian genetically similiar to the average black American
>Black American
We're talking about African Americans. Other people with dark skin aren't grouped into Africans.

>>3354679
>You don't understand what the word irrelevant means, do you?
Neither do you, because biological determinism, genetics, and neuroscience aren't irrelevant to human behavior
>Take it to /sci/
>/sci/
>Competent
Anon... It's 4chan we're talking about.

>>3354669
I have. Every time. You literally ignoring them every time out of sheer rage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SJNVb0GnPI

>>3354685
>Africans aren't grouped in with Africans
Damn, you really are retarded.

>>3354698
Nope, mistook Tanzanian with Tasmanian. Two consonant difference. Also, yes Tanzanians would be similar to African Americans because that are of the same race.

>>3354682
Oh, negroids, huh? Tell me then, where are your studies showing that African Negroes, Khoisan, Melanesians, Negritos and Australoids (all vastly genetically different) exhibit the same "anti-social personality traits" because of some common genetic trait? I'm waiting. Where is the study proving Negroids all have this aggressive gene, and disproving the study I provided proving the prevalence of the gene is because of childhood trauma (which black people experience more)?

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>>3354695
>Jewtube disabled the comments
Of course anything countering the neoliberal agenda gets the boot because it isn't profitable

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>>3354702
Australiods aren't negroids first and foremost, and here are some studies about the racial variance of MAO-A
>Post studies
Here are about 7

>>3354701
Tanzanians and African Americans are distant genetically, what are you talking about? African American isn't even a proper genetic term, as the internal differences between black people in America are many. It's not like Tanzanians were brought over as slaves either.
>>3354693
Again, when did you disprove African Americans having the same testosterone as whites (something I provided proof of) and prove that African IQ is genetic? If I'm missing it, just post it again and BTFO me.

>>3354708
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/maoa-race-and-crime/

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>>3354708
Australoids are negroids, you idiot.

>>3354705
Yeah. Too bad racists had to come and derail it.

>>3354710
>Again, when did you disprove African Americans having the same testosterone as whites
>>3354544
Ffs
>African Americans are different from Tazmanians despite being of the same race
Ah yes, because Germans are really that much different from the British in terms of genetics. Sure. Look, they are part of the same race. I don't know what else to tell you.

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>>3354705
They can't help but ruin everything that's good.

>>3354716
No, they aren't actually
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australoid_race

>>3354720
>Bring up differences between whites and Asians
>Everybody lol's
>Bring up differences between whites and blacks
>Everybody ree's and details the threads
You people ruin everything. All that was happening was someone was posting a bunch if pictures of Arab built monuments of them enslaving black people as if they were black accomplishment.

Why does no one ever praise black tribal society?

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>>3354727
Like seriously, why do we never discuss animism or authors like Chinua Achebe? In every """good""" Africa threads it's just posting large castles and a bunch of buildings in Africa that are tacitly meant to disprove racist stereotypes of black people, even though valuing black culture in that way is inherently eurocentric.

Since when has the history of a people needed to be defined by large shit they build?

>>3354719
I can come up with a million explanations as to why the testosterone in black men is higher. Also, testosterone isn't even directly correlated with violence, so you'll have to provide more proof before you make that connection. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-testosterone-alone-doesnt-cause-violence/
>>3354723
Not the same thing. They still fall under the Negroid category.

>>3354727
What? I've never seen so-called genetic differences between Asians and whites (as if those terms are even valuable scientifically) being laughed at/accepted by people who don't believe in genetic differences between blacks and whites. To the contrary, many anti-raicsts make the argument that the "model minority" myth is harmful to Asian people.

>>3354738
>Also, testosterone isn't even directly correlated with violence,
It is actually, and either way it doesn't matter because MAO-A still varies on a racial basis.
>They still fall under the negroids category
Technically negroid is out dated. When describing Africans it's now congoloid and capoid.

>>3354732
I am just as (if not more) interested in other things than tall buildings, awesome soldiers and great Empires, but threads like this are often trying to prove a point and lay rest to some of the myths about Africans.

>>3354750
Again, this is explained by childhood trauma. Unless you can provide some studies proving MAO-A differences at birth.

>>3354745
>being laughed at/accepted by people
Guess you don't talk with many Asians huh. If you're African that is likely to change pretty soon as Chinese colonization sets in.
>Asians are a model minority myth
Heard it, it's still true that Asians are better than other immigrants. That doesn't make them perfect, just preferable compared to say Pakistanis and Somalians.

>>3353751
>Although I can provide proof for so-called "negroids" having a whole lot to do with Egypt if you're interested in actually having a discussion.
Please post more OP.

>>3354750
Did you even read the article I posted? No, testosterone isn't the sole cause for violence.

>>3354757
I have given it to you multiple times, and EVERY TIME you choose not to read it >>3354450

>>3354727
Neck yourself ffs. No one here wanted this discussion. There are a myriad of other threads and boards that you could have had this discussion in. You chose to bring it here. You ruined it.

>>3352219
Lived in south africa for half a year. Does that count, its not like its deep bush bush africa. Some things were weird though.

>>3354767
I never said "sole cause" I said a "factor" in violence. Which it is, it correlates with more aggressive behavior
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4649825

>>3354769
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16801953
Come on, dude

>>3353694
>tfw i'm half portugese

>>3354772
>There are a myriad of other threads and boards that you could have had this discussion in
No, you can't. If I can't talk about different people and biological determinism on the dedicated HUMANITIES board then there is nowhere else to post about it
>Inb4 /pol/
Neck yourself, we are a history and humanities board. I'm not about to just agree with the historical zeitgeist here just because it hurts people's feeling. This is the dedicated board for thst ffs

>>3354778
I guess I will have to read my study for you
>Social scientists generally agree that a paradigm shift has occurred over the course of the last three decades of research in human behavior: the zeitgeist has moved away from a culturally centered, social learning model towards a more balanced perspective in which both genetic and environmental factors are understood to explain the wide variations observed in human behavior. This perspective now applies in the areas of mental health and illness, as well as across several domains of normal, varying psychological constructs, such as intelligence, personality, interests, and attitudes. The study of antisocial behavior is no exception to this paradigm shift. There is now abundant evidence that both genetic and environmental influences—and probably their interaction—are of major importance in explaining individual differences in antisocial behavior, including differences in criminal behavior.

>Evidence for a genetic basis of antisocial behavior stems from several different lines of research. First, behavioral genetic studies of twins and adoptees have demonstrated that heredity plays a role in antisocial behavior, including various forms of aggression and criminality, by finding greater concordance for such behavior in genetically related individuals compared to nonrelatives living in the same environment. Second, various correlates of antisocial behavior, including personality factors such as impulsivity, sensation-seeking, risk-taking, and callous-unemotional traits, are known to be at least partly genetically influenced. Third, psychiatric outcomes related to antisocial behavior, including antisocial personality disorder, gambling, and substance use and abuse, have also been investigated in genetically informative designs, and each of these has demonstrated significant genetic influence.

In other words, corrected for environment there is still a genetic proponent to anti-social behavioral traits.

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>>3354762
Am I supposed to take this post seriously?
>>3354775
I think living in poverty and having a bad childhood + much more is responsible for this, and I am backed up by the study I posted.
>>3354765
Where should I start? With their armies, scribes, farmers, pharaohs, viziers, princesses?

>>3354782
>if I can't be a race realist here...
Also, don't resort to acting like our feelings are hurt since we disagree with you. It's easy to see through.
>>3354789
Where does it say anything about any of this having to do with biological race?

>>3354789
Same person,

You're not reading what I posted, and the study you keep posting ad infinitum does nothing to disprove this. Christ sake, the study you posted says this
>. Previous research on adults has shown that a functional polymorphism in the promoter region of the monoamine oxidase A (MAOA) gene moderates the impact of childhood maltreatment on risk for developing antisocial behavior.
You realize that this polymorphism is what varies by race, right?

>>3354782
>muh humanities
You keep spouting that word as an excuse but I dont think you know what it means in this context.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanities
>The humanities use methods that are primarily critical, or speculative, and have a significant historical element[2]—as distinguished from the mainly empirical approaches of the natural sciences,[2] yet, unlike the sciences, it has no central discipline.[3] The humanities include ancient and modern languages, literature, philosophy, geography, history, religion,[4] art and musicology.

No, it's not pertinent for you to bring up genetics, neuroscience, or biology you fucking dunce.

>>3354802
>It's easy to see through.
When all I get back is angry and irrational replies , it's kind of hard to say I haven't bothered someone's feelings. Just saying.
>Where does it say anything about any of this having to do with biological race?
It doesn't. This is the study that says that MAO-A and purely genetic factors of our psychology (biological determinism) correlate with anti-social personality traits even when corrected for environmental influences.

>>3354794
>I think living in poverty and having a bad childhood + much more is responsible for this,
Except you're wrong
>>3354291
Wealth doesn't lead to criminality as much as ethnic background.

>>3354794
Start with Pharaohs, then move to Viziers, princesses and then armies. Any scientists too?

>>3354808
Here is how Stanford defines it
>The humanities can be described as the study of how people process and document the human experience
So.apparantly when talking about
>how people process and document the human experience
It is inappropriate to discuss
>Human behavior or the reason thereof
Huh

>>3354828
>>Here is how Stanford defines it
And you left out the rest of their definition.
>The humanities can be described as the study of how people process and document the human experience. Since humans have been able, we have used philosophy, literature, religion, art, music, history and language to understand and record our world. These modes of expression have become some of the subjects that traditionally fall under the humanities umbrella. Knowledge of these records of human experience gives us the opportunity to feel a sense of connection to those who have come before us, as well as to our contemporaries.

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>>3354819
>Pharaohs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubia#Nubia_and_Ancient_Egypt
>"The XIIth Dynasty (1991–1786 B.C.E.) originated from the Aswan region. As expected, strong Nubian features and dark coloring are seen in their sculpture and relief work. This dynasty ranks as among the greatest, whose fame far outlived its actual tenure on the throne. Especially interesting, it was a member of this dynasty that decreed that no Nehsy (riverine Nubian of the principality of Kush), except such as came for trade or diplomatic reasons, should pass by the Egyptian fortress and cops at the southern end of the Second Nile Cataract. Why would this royal family of Nubian ancestry ban other Nubians from coming into Egyptian territory? Because the Egyptian rulers of Nubian ancestry had become Egyptians culturally; as pharaohs, they exhibited typical Egyptian attitudes and adopted typical Egyptian policies"
and
>"Various pharaohs of Nubian origin are held by some Egyptologists to have played an important part towards the area in different eras of Egyptian history, particularly the 12th Dynasty. These rulers handled matters in typical Egyptian fashion, reflecting the close cultural influences between the two regions."

>>3354845
>Piye always meant to rule Egypt but he had preferred treaties over warfare, unlike his later adversary the Assyrians. It states that he was extremely pious and especially devoted to Amun. Egyptians rather welcomed the Nubian prince, preferring him over the Libyans, scholars attest this to the cultural similarities between Egypt and Nubia and also the physical similarities as well. The Nubians ruled from Nubia to as far as the Delta, they portrayed themselves not with the Egyptian crown with one cobra uraeus but with two cobras.
This mentions the physical similarities between Egyptians and Nubians. https://www.ukessays.com/essays/anthropology/the-relationship-between-nubia.php

>>3354436
>The fact that black kids do worse is explained by the discrimination they face from a young age.
>is explained
No, its just assume to be the case because any form of biological determinism has to be dismissed out of hand because it's not socially acceptable

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>>3354845
I believe my sources regarding the relationship between Egyptians and Nubians give us every reason to believe a whole heap of black viziers existed. As for princesses, Egyptian pharaohs married countless black women (as they did women of any ethnicity around them), pic related is Ahmose-Nefertari and her son, who she had with a lighter man.

>>3354868
So, active MAO-A being more prevalent in children with childhood trauma, for example, is politically correct nonsense?

>>3354871
As for the army... Do you even know anything about the military of ancient Egypt? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_ancient_Egypt

>>3354876
There are more explanations too.

>>3354876
Its pretty much politically incorrect if it draws to biological determinism because it implies genetic uncontrollable factors within individuals and population groups that would make the idea of equal opportunity = equal outcome untenable. That's why social explanations are always pursued first. Inequality between population groups is because of racism, sexism, oppression, income inequality, etc and not because there's an underlying biological difference that causes those inequalities.

I mean, it's well known and scientifically established that women and men are biologically different in many ways, but the equality (of outcome) meme is still being pushed assuming that under similar circumstance we'll get similar results completely ignoring any biological factors. This is literally a politically incorrect opinion to hold.

What happened ?
Where is the africa tread ?

>>3354845

>>3354819
Continue on!

>>3354918
That was great btw.

>>3354919
Were both of those for me? If so, thanks. I'll post more, just you wait.

>>3354933
This is an article on ancient Egyptians, explaining their African origins. Do you want more of anything specific, or just proof/documentation in general?
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/geopedia/Ancient_Egypt

>>3354909
OP here. It's still here! Sucks some people can't help but trying to invade it.

>>3354952
>Do you want more of anything specific, or just proof/documentation in general?
Can you go into detail about their armies? Politics? Culture? Were there any stereotypes attached to them?

>>3355023
By "them", you mean Nubians, correct?

>>3355036
Yes. I've been planning on reading into African history and I want to start with them.

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>>3355041
I'm too lazy to explain, and Nubia has a really long history, so I'll just link you some good articles. If you have a specific question you really want answered, though, fire away.
>https://www.livescience.com/57875-ancient-nubia.html
>http://www.crystalinks.com/nubia.html
>http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/phar/hd_phar.htm
>http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsAfrica/AfricaKush.htm
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kush
>http://www.abrock.com/ancientEgypt/Egyptweb2/NubianTemples/nubian.html
This should be more than enough to get you started, and it is all good material.