/his/ suffering chart

>>2838842
Obama 80,25

Why the fuck is willy not (100, 5)

>>2838842
Saint Thomas the Twin, 5,30.

>>2838848
Because contrary to armchair historian's shitty beliefs, much of Imperial Germany's downfall was set in motion long before Willy was coronated.

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>>2838846
Let's not include american politicians this controversial this time.

>>2838855
>>2838868

>>2838875
Teddy Roosevelt should really switch places with Jeb. Last time I checked, Jeb's mother and wife didn't die on the same day.

>>2838875
Bonapartes suffering wasn't a 70.

>>2838875
>Robespierre is worse than Genghis Kahn
>Martin Luther is worse than Osama bin Laden
>says "Let's not include american politicians this controversial this time." while the chart includes President Trump
Get this meme shit out of here. OP is (100,100).

>>2838929
>Martin Luther is worse than Osama bin Laden
Objectively true.

>>2838929
No, we need Russia at (100,100)

>>2838960
t.democratic party

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>>2838886

>>2838914
Then, what was it?

>>2838929
That's just what /his/ says. Also, Trump is surprisingly non controversial in this chart. Besides, it is kind of a meme chart, it's supposed to be a despiction of /his/'s general opinions after all.

>>2838960
Well, the people in there did suffer a lot and it was totally necessary. Would be more accurate if it was the USRR flag though.

>>2838875
Less than 50 considering anne frank is there, maybe 30.

>>2838842
>Tokugawa Ieyasu
What do you mean by "it?" Nothing bad happened to him and his dynasty in the end after his death.

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60 up, 55 across for Saddam

>>2838842
Eugene v. Debs, 10 deserving, 80 suffering

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35 up, 90 across

>>2839004
Remove country flags
move Churchill to 50,40
move Genghis to where Lithuania is 50,90
move Nicholas to 100 suffering
move Kublai to 65,70
move Francis to 10 suffering

Also, Giles Corey either 95 or 100 up and 10 across

>>2839017
That's why he is low down on both.

>>2839004
Arthur Wellesley
35,15

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>>2839004
Biegeman 20,30

>>2839137
We aren't putting memes in.
>inb4 he moans about Sargon

>>2839004
John Green 95, 50

>>2838842
Who's the Asian guy beside Christ at the top left?

>>2839231
Looks like Pu Yi

>>2839004
Josip Broz Tito 55;35

>>2838842
Shah of iran where?

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>>2839027
>>2839059
>>2839066
>>2839076
Moving is a hassle and adds almost nothing of value to the chart, but here you go, Anon.
>>2839079
>>2839110
>>2839137
>>2839148
What's the point of making a /his/ chart without one meme or two? Besides, it's not like he's stealing a good spot or something.
>>2839187
I don't really know about this meme, though. No way he deserved that much. Explain.

Vincent Van Gogh 10, 80

>>2838875
>Rosa Luxembourg not at (100,x)
She's way too low on the deserved it axis. Fucker really did deserve it.

>>2839358
Mandela deserved it leagues more than poor Nicky.

Thomas More 60, 25

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>>2838842
Snorri Sturluson
65, 15

>>2839403
This. Mandela should be at 50 at least.
Nicholas needs moving up on suffering. I'd argue up to 100.

>>2838842
Why the fuck is Jesus still at the top of suffering?
Getting crucified isn't as bad as some of the other deaths.

>>2839497
Suffering is not just death.

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Job for 100, 10?

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>>2839346
>>2839359
>>2839385
Is this good? I need an explanation to put her further.
>>2839451
Why exactly?
>>2839427
>>2839449
>>2839497
Christian imageboard also this >>2839507.

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>General Robert E. Lee will never draw his sword to defend Anne Frank from Methmongering White Mugabe

feelsbadman

>>2839535
Shift all the commies to the left and put Ghengis Khan in the (5, 100) square

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why is mel gibson here?

also george bush has demonstrated some real human bean sadness concerning his presidency.

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>>2839535

Shah Jahan at 50x,65y. Used to enjoy toturing people with his wife, built her a beautiful tomb, then got sick, triggered a succession war where one of his less favorite sons brutally slaughtered the others, recovered from his illness in time to be imprisoned by the victorious son in a chamber overlooking his wife's tomb, where he remained until death.

His son, Aurangazeb, can go at 30,30. He gets a lot of undeserved flak and dealt with the kind of guilt that makes putting him next to Nixon seem appropriate.

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No Indie Niedel?
>All them men dead, for nothing

>>2838842
Karadzic dindu nuffin, replace him with Sloba, he caused so much evil to the Serbian people as well as the others.

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>>2839554
>Lee at 20

It's treason then.

>>2839612
>Historical figures
I don't even know why fucking Lindy beige is in this

>>2839575
>why is mel gibson here?
It's william wallace dumbass

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>>2839625
>It's treason then.

>star wars line literally came from the mouth of a guy who was about to launch a genocidal purge of his opponents

Also,

>implying treason against a government run by tyrants is bad

Anne Frank would still be alive if more German officers had mustered the courage of Lee and refused to take part in the brutal subjugation of others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnNWtDRrHrQ

>>2839646
/his/ easter eggs ofc.

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>>2839532
Good one.
>>2839557
Come on now.
>>2839603
>image
>explaining why
>more than one person in the post
Anons should post like you do more often. Good post.
>>2839624
Who? Where?
>>2839646
/his/ memes count.

We need more posts about suggestions.

Hugo Chavez x80, y25

>>2839575
It's WIlliam Wallace but I requested the Mel Gibson pic in the last thread.

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>>2839684
hungary needs to be somewhere high up

>>2839668
>refused to take part in the brutal subjugation of others.

Really makes you think.

The Confederate generals were interesting fellows to be sure but romanticizing the lost cause is just trying to justify the obscene loss of life that the secessionists brought upon themselves.

Lee was a good general too, but he took unacceptable losses by going on the offensive into Union territory when he could have more easily defended the South and kept the war going longer. That would have raised the likelihood of European intervention, which would have forced the North to back off. Instead he decided to go "honorably" toe to toe with an enemy that could essentially throw men and war material away for an indefinite period of time.

Sherman saw what the war would be from the start, was removed for voicing his opinions on it, and when finally reinstated, did everything he could to end it as quickly as possible. It was never going to be pretty.

Eve "deserved it" as much as Mao and Stalin? She got talked into eating an apple. Have you disobeyed God ever?

>>2839684
Erwin Rommel 65, 30

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>>2838842
Holy fuck, is that Athanasios Diakos there?

>>2839684
I nominate Grigoris Afxentiou for (90,25)

In British Cyprus during 1955-59 there was a guerilla war between EOKA which were Greek Cypriots advocating with reunification with Greece and the British colonials.

Grigoris Afxentiou was the second in command of EOKA and he fought succesfully against the British while disguising himself to avoid capture. However, someone gave him away and his hideout in the mountains was surround by the British. Grigoris then ordered his comrades to give themselves up and avoid death while he stayed inside. When the British ordered him to get out he responded with Leonidas' Molon Labe and fought against them alone in his position. Because the British couldn't get him, they doused his hideout with petrol from a helicopter and set it on fire, thus burning him alive.

>>2839753
shit I meant (25,90)

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>>2839700
>>2839718
Whole nations don't count.
>>2839739
Her suffering is said to have passed down to all women, which is pretty bad.
>>2839751
>>2839753
Good story.

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Surprised nobody's suggested /his/'s favorite Severan. Caracalla at 30, 80

Buddy Holly and Ritchie Valens suffered and didn't deserve it

>>2839786
>Her suffering is said to have passed down to all women, which is pretty bad.

But she didn't do that, God did. How can she really be responsible for anything, given that she had no knowledge of good or evil at the time?

>>2839786
Actually Rommel is 30, 65
Sorry, i mixed them up. He was forced to kill himself so Hitler would spare his family so i guess he suffered more than that.

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>>2839730

Lincoln offered Lee full command of the army, something the then-Colonel could previously have only dreamed of, and he turned it down because he believed what Lincoln was doing was wrong. Even if you disagree with the Confederacy's motives, which Lee himself did early on, that refusal of a lifetime's worth of temptation took guts.

Closest we have to a German officer who did the same was Wilhelm Canaris.

Lee made some some monumental errors in his career yes, but he also took responsibility for them. Same can't be said of most of his Union counterparts.

>>2839730

>> - Fought for the confederacy.
>> - Refused to take part in the brutal subjugation of others.

Really?

>>2839535
>Suffering is not just death
Snorri spent the better part of his life fighting with his family, all of his children with the woman he loved died, the republic which he died to protect crumbled shortly after. Not to mention he betrayed his friend, the King of Norway, to defend his family, then failed, and was killed on the king's orders.
15,45 at the least

>>napoleon near the middle instead of far right
I guess time really does soften the image of even the worst monsters in history. I wonder if Hitler will eventually get the same treatment in a couple centuries.

>>2838929
Martin Luther is responsible for killing way more people than Bin Ladin

>>2839786
Bismarck 20, 45

Che Guevara 80, 45

Golda Meir 45, 35

Theodor Herzl 35, 10

>>2839933
actually Guevara meant to 75, 45
sorry.

Queen Victoria up 10 and across 75

>>2839882

Compared to the Union Army's conduct in Virginia, Lee was a gracious occupier in Pennsylvania and Maryland

>inb4 you meant slavery

Slavery had been around for two centuries by that point and was firmly entrenched economically and socially in America. There was no easy way of dismantling it, and neither side of interested in doing so when the war began. Lincoln had run on a platform of limiting slavery and went with the Emancipation Proclamation when it became clear it was the only way of keeping Europe from joining the war.

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Woodrow Wilson for s5, d65.

He could have dramatically shortened WW1, prevented WW2, and prevented the rise of communism.

All he had to do was stop US corporations from selling arms to Europe.

>>2840014
>There was no easy way of dismantling it,

Europe did.

>and neither side of interested in doing so when the war began.

If that were true, the south would have had no reason to rebel.

>>2840042
>He could have dramatically shortened WW1, prevented WW2
Nice meme

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>>2838842

Jeb Bush Deserved 10 Suffering 100

>>2839786
The suffering and how much they deserved it of both Ricimer and Longstreet need to be flipped, might have fucked up my suggestion, was tired at the time. Sorry about that.

>>2840109

Longstreet really got screwed post-war. Everyone blaming him for the disaster at Gettysburg when even Lee readily admitted it was entirely his fault.

>>2840159

*own fault

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Hypatia of Alexandria?

>>2840159
Yep, it needs to be Longstreet 40s, 15d (Perhaps even higher Suffering considering how high Lee is for some reason) and Ricimer 10s, 80d.

>>2839684
Radovan Karadzic, 40 suffering, 75 deserved it
Replace with Slobodan Milosevic.

Is St. Augustine there already? If not (30, 55). Those damn pears man.

>>2840072

Meme? Who else has ever said this?

> [napoleon] I guess time really does soften the image of even the worst monsters in history.

History is written by the winners. Napoleon's existence was anti-monarchy, which is why peace with his neighbors would have been impossible no matter what he did.

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>>2839816
>>2839854
Christian imageboard. Also, this doesn't make her blameless or unresponsible on what she did.
>>2839866
>>2839932
>>2839933
>>2839948
>>2839961
>>2840042
>>2840076
Already there.
>>2840109
>>2840190
>>2840246
>>2840191

>>2840293
Meant for Caracalla to be 30 up, 80 across. Terribly sorry.

>>2839660
>>2839705
it's clearly mel gibson. what the fuck?

>>2840293
Why does Pope Francis deserves to suffer more than Bomber Harris?

If Eve is 100,95 then Satan should be 100, 100?

>>2840391
I say this as he deserves it for trying to fuck over God and obviously suffering the worst. As the Lord of Hell, no less. Also trapped in ice according to Dante.

>>2840391
I don't even think Job should be there, but Eve and Satan? Come on

Can someone make a list of the names of all the people in this chart?

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>>2839854
On second thought though, Satan is a more accurate aproach to that spot. Pandora is close too, only she didn't suffer as much.
>>2840371
>>2840391
Close enough.
>>2840417
This isn't a bad ideia. Almost all of those can be found in the threads though.

>>2840417
You should know them by picture alone desu

>>2840529
Satan should be 100, 100

>>2840377
its Mel Gibson acting as William Wallace from the movie Braveheart you fucking retard

>>2840529
Move Hideki Tojo from 95, 20 to 95, 60. The man failed to commit suicide and then was hanged for his war crimes. Not to mention having the phrase "remember Pearl Harbor" drilled into the teeths of his detures in Morse Code. That is a huge humiliation to a japanese, he certainly suffered a lot

>>2840529
Puyi (15,100) needs to be moved badly, hardly suffered and was totally complicit in accepting a request to head up Manchuoko, spoilt brat wanting power

(30,15)

>>2840717
>shoved into being a puppet monarch
>spent a decade in jail
>watched 4 wives die
>spent his last few years in fear of getting attacked by Maoists
>watched his country die
100 may seem excessive, but the poor guy did suffer.

Put Mahdi Muhammad Ahmed at 90,55

>>2840738
>shoved into being a puppet monarch
*Chose to be a puppet monarch, deserved everything he got for taking up the Japanese offer against the advise of his father and family

>spent a decade in jail
talk shit, get hit

>watched 4 wives die
Wasn't close at all to his first wife, amicable divorce with Wenxiu, I'll give you Tan Yuling; outlived both Li Yuqin and Li Yuqin

>spent his last few years in fear of getting attacked by Maoists
Got to live a comfy ass life compared to the average Chinese peasant because Mao felt like it for some reason, decent housing, and relatively well off after he was encouraged to publish his memoirs

>watched his country die
Debatable, one could argue if he even cared

>>2838842
How did Ali deserve to suffer?

>>2838842

100, 100 should be Enver Pasha. His stupid plans led to the rapid destruction of the Ottoman empire. He blamed the Armenians for his own immense failures, and he ordered them massacred, leading to the Armenian Genocide.

>>2839535
>christian imageboard

Are you retarded or just autistic?

>>2838842
there should be an associated legend, i don't know who some of these people are

>>2840782
also, i can't even make out some of the pics

>>2840764
>Put Mahdi Muhammad Ahmed at 90,55

I realised I fucked up and forgot an image/explaination so

The Mahdi suffered the loss of 12,000 men, the wounding of 13,000 men and the capturing of 5000 men - all out of a 52,000 strong force. This signalled practically the collapse of any chances the Mahdists had of winning, and in turn his movement/resistance. To add insult to injury, he died of Typhus, a nasty disease that can include being comatosed, having mental breakdowns, and being photophobic, and as such the Mahdi couldn't even claim his right as the Mahdi or die in battle. Then, his tomb was desecrated after the battle by General Kitchener who promptly cut off his head and paraded it around as a trophy.

But he deserved it because he massacred an entire garrison in Khartoum that housed women, children and soldiers. He cut the head off of General Gordon and left it hung between two trees "where all who passed it could look in disdain, children could throw stones at it and the hawks of the desert could sweep and circle above."
He was radicalised by a part of his religion hell bent on destroying all non-believers in Africa and was proclaiming himself to be an authority figure, the naming of which he had no stake

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>>2840841

Zimbabwe deserves much worse suffering than it has gotten. Rhodesia deserved much less. Make of that what you will.

>>2840042

Don't forget preventing Vietnam.

>>2840529
Georgios Papadopoulos 15 65

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>>2840884

>>2840854
Robert Mugabe should be 100,50

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>>2840779
Leave based OP alone. Also, Enrico Dandolo at 50 up, 70 across for suffering from blindness but essentially betraying Christendom in the Fourth Crusade.

>>2840529
Move Assad to (20,65)

>>2838842
Solano López should be 100 up, 60 across.

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>>2840707
>>2840764
>>2840841
>>2840773
That's pretty bad, but did he suffer?
>>2840779
I'm just christian, Mr. Neckbeard.
>>2840884
>>2840786
I tried to make them easier to reconceive by putting the first one from their respective wiki articles. Besides, they can be found in the threads.
>>2840898
>>2840900
>>2840931

>>2840941
That doesnt make this whole imageboard christian.

>>2840943
The majority of the board is christian you autistic fedora fag

>>2840941
Immanuel Kant (5, 5)
Yes, remove Diogenes, he has no place there

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>>2840965

>>2840965
I'd suggest to put him in (5, 10) because of the dementia he suffered in his last years. Fuck that bones

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>>2840908
>>2840965
>Yes, remove Diogenes, he has no place there
>implying
At least explain why Kant is a better choice for the deserved nothing and got nothing placing.
>>2840968
Well, that solves it.

>>2841001
Reagan at 40,15.

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(60,5)
Fulgencio Batista

Led a life of corruption, organised crime and a third of Cuban homes had no water. However, Cuba's economy was pretty prosporous so it isn't all bad, and for someone who turned Cuba in to what was essentially a police state, he didn't murder too many - or not when compared to people higher up on the list. Suffering of 5 because he died peacefully in Spain

Can we have a pessimist/antinatalist philosopher high on the suffering scale and low on deserve.

Arthur Schopenhauer or Peter Zappfe will so.

>>2838842
(5,100) prometheus.

>>2838842
This scale is preposterous

move Reagan up to at least 70/75, he had Alzheimers and that shit is being practically brain dead with nothing keeping you alive other than basic human motor skills, and soon enough you forget thsoe too

>>2841042
/his/

>>2838875
>Carolus Rex not higher on suffering scale

>>2841042
Prometheus did nothing wrong.

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>>2841029
>>2841036
>>2841041
Gonna need your rating.
>>2841042
Most I could place him.
>>2841061
70 is a stretch, even for something like that. I'll just give him a little more suffering.
>>2841090
Defied his gods, but he was a good guy alright.

>>2841096
Who is that at 100,100

>>2838842
aristotle suffered more

hitler didn't deserve it that much

>>2841107
Enver Pasha

>>2841112
True, but he did fuck Germany and Europe up pretty bad.

>>2840959
Proof?

>>2841062
history & humanities. Not just history.

>>2841112
Where's Aristotle?

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>>2841187
kek

>>2841112
>hitler didn't deserve it that much
>millions of German lives lost due to his incompetence
>started a war he couldn't win
>Plundered and raped Europe in the name of ideology and to keep his futile war going
>Germany ended up divided and occupied, Berlin was razed to the ground by the Soviets.
Nah, he's alright up there with Hirohito.

>>2841220
>killed millions of people for their race; not actions

forgot that one there, buddy.

>>2841096
Move Churchill back to where he was at 80,10. He has so many lives on his fat finger. German, American, French, Turkish and most of all British.

Envar Pasha is also on there twice. At 90,15 and 100,100...

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>>2841096
10,70 for being cool and all but still dying slowly in a tent in the middle of nowhere.

>>2841096
>Rommel that high on the suffering.
About the only bad thing that happened to him was he was put in a coma for a few months and then had to kill himself. The rest of his life was pretty good. 25,30 would be a better spot.

>>2841096
Cato the Younger 35,65.

Incorruptible Roman Senator who was a stanch supporter of the Republic who had to watch the Republic fall to Caesar and ended up having a painful suicide.

>>2838842
I don't understand is this how much the individual suffered or how much suffering they caused?

>>2841298
On the vertical scale is how much they suffered, on the horizontal scale is how much they should have suffered on account of the amount of suffering they caused

>>2841298
how much they suffered on their overall life vs. how much they deserved to suffer for their fuckups

>>2841298
>Jesus somehow caused more suffering than Hitler or Pol Pot
ok

>>2841167
Why did Enver Pasha suffer so much?

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>>2841251
Oh well, guess that 100.100 spot is still taken.
>>2841264
>>2841277
>>2841289
>>2841316
He didn't actually. Anon miscalculated.

Pope Alexander VI (x 55, y 5)
T E Lawrence (x 45, y 30)
Toussaint Louverture (x 55, y 40)
Stanisław Poniatowski (x 50, y 35)

I think the average anon should be 100, 100.
It suffers, it causes suffering.

>>2841365
Toussaint Louverture is already on.
>>2841251
Stop moving Churchill you cunt. 80 deserve it is too high.

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>>2841338
Antonio de Oliveira Salazar
(35,50)

>>2841338

Move Rosa Luxemburg further to the left.

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>Karl Marx 85
>George Bush 45

>>2841338
Oscar Wilde at (15, 45)
Emperor Pedro II of Brazil at (20, 75)
John Adams at (20, 40)

>marx and other commie leaders deserve high suffering

hmmmmmm

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Maximilian I of Mexico
(20,40)

>>2841475
>Pol Pot, Stalin, Ceaucescu, Mao, Beria, Mugabe and Chavez weren't pieces of shit
Also
>marx
>leader

>>2841475
There are a bunch of fascists and capitalists in that corner as well.

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>>2841365
>>2841376
/a/ already has that gimmick in theirs.
>>2841378
Now he's closer to the other american politicians.
>>2841388
>>2841441
>>2841479

Keep these suggestions going, guys.

>>2841505
Why is Marx there though?

>>2841378
>80 deserve it is too high.
>Insisted on destroying Germany before WWI
>Gallipoli
>Insisted on destroying Germany before WWII
>Loss ton of unnecessary British lives in WWII
>The guy in charge of Bomber Harris
>His later administration was a disaster
>All of his administrations would significantly reduce the power of the British Empire.

Yes he was praised on an international stage during his lifetime. He did more damage that Wilson and certain more the Victoria who was more a governmental figure head than anything else.

Napoleon - 65,45
Don't know if he is already up there, but a suggestion anyway.

>>2841571
>Insisted on destroying Germany before WWII
>Gallipoli
I agree with Gallipoli and his naval failings. He didn't conduct nowhere as much influence over Versailles as you are implying.
>Loss ton of unnecessary British lives in WWII
They weren't unnecessary at all.
>The guy in charge of Bomber Harris
Dresden was appalling I'll give you that, but it takes two to tango in war. Dresden for London.
>His later administration was a disaster
>All of his administrations would significantly reduce the power of the British Empire.
His last term was awful I agree also, but Churchill's influence over the loss of empire was nowhere near as high as his successors.

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Wewuz The Magnificent should be 100, 100.

Idi Amin 85,65

>>2838842
This was my suggestion for 100, 100 from the last thread. A gold obsessed Spaniard who tortured and enslaved the natives. They responded by forcing him to drink molten gold.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_de_Valdivia#Death

>>2841798
He's already at 80,5
Also
>65
Why? He didn't suffer shit.

>>2841818
Don't know really, thought total organ failure would be higher.
Also didn't see him down there.

>>2840014
>slavery doesn't count as subjugation because (provides no argument as to why it wasn't subjugation)

This really activated my almonds.

>>2841813
That's a myth dude, he was most likely just stabbed with a spear.

>>2841310
anne frank suffered less than hitler

>>2841827
Like half the people in OP's pic may have been myths. Also if true it would have been a great justice.

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>>2841798
>>2841667
Already there.

>>2841742
Good meme, but 100.100 deserves better.
>>2841813
He's pretty close, but he didn't really do anything utterly destructive. At least not from what I read of him.

Also, we're so low on suggestions I'll just put these flags again for now. Fuck no-flag anon.

>>2841868
80,10 should be Kim Jong Il and 90,20 should be Papa Doc.

>>2841879
*95, 20
The open square.

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(55, 40)

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15,35

Ernst Thalmann (25,95)

>>2841945
No. How about (75,35)? He should have been punished for making such awful music.

>>2841868
>consort qi that low

>>2839918
Bin Laden supplied arms and weapons and plotted terrorist actions. Martin Luther reformed a religion. It's like saying Mohammed is personally responsible for 9/11.

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15,75

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>>2841988
Put our guy enver "what genocide" pasha 80,20

Also where the fuck is robespierre

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>>2841879
>>2841922
>>2841945
>>2841975
>>2841979
lol
>>2842002

Now that's much better, lads.

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>>2839554

>General Robert E. Lee will never draw his sword to defend Anne Frank from Methmongering White Mugabe

I-I like this idea...

Someone get that guy from /d/ who drew her preggers and throw him some Confederate gold to do Jackson and/or Lee standing, sabers drawn, in protective stance, steely eyed, with Anne cowering behind them fearfully, a regiment of Confederate soldiers standing in the background with bayonets fixed and in the charge stance, facing the ominous shadow of German soldiers coming towards them.

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>>2842016
Robbie in 100,30

>>2842016
(30,85) Salvador Allende, (65,75) Ernst Rohm, (65,20) Kim Sung Il, (65,25) Pinochet

>>2842016
>>2842058
Also (15,80) Solzhenitsyn

>>2838842
Charles de gaul
Suffered around 60
Deserved to suffer around 15

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>>2842014
No more space, sorry.
>>2842033
Notice 50,50.
>>2842058
>>2842067
>>2842071
Did what I could to fit him.

Also changed the color of the grading to make us dinstinct from the other charts.

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I don't know if you put him already, but in case you didn't put John Brown in 20,80

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Al-Ghazali
60,10

>>2839497
Getting tortured and crucified for days on end is a pretty horrible death. Also it's in relation to how much he deserved it and he didn't deserve it at all.

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30,90

>>2838914
>after Russian campaign
>basically fucking in disbelief that the Russian would burn half of their homeland because you wanted them to Embargo England
>They Burned their Capital too
>your army is dead
>Another Coalition form
>thesesfuckersneverlearn.jpg
>Throw together an army
>Krauts revolt
>Start getting btfo
>Decide to not be a Pussy and take the Stoic's way out
>Take Chemicals to kill yourself
>It fucking fail
>They capture you, humiliate you and then send you on Elba
>Implement reforms and basically turn the Island into an Utopia tier place for the time
>News come in, your wife dies and you receive the new and then because you're the embodiment of obsessiveness about all this you lock yourself into you room for two days
>At this point after losing you whole army , failing even at suicide and your lover and wife dying pretty much done with life
>Decide to go back on the Homeland despite being exiled
>Whatstheworsthatcouldhappen.png
>A whole Regiment come to arrest you and they've said they'd kill you
>Deathismercifulatthispoint.jpeg
>"Here I am. Kill your Emperor, if you wish"
>they declare loyality to you
>at this point you've got nothing to lose so you just roll with it
>Overthrow the King
>Somehow in a Hundred days manage to make an Army
>The whole Coalition is after you again
>Basically almost no chance at winning
>but there is a glimmer of Hope if you manage to split the Prussia and English forces
>Doesn't manage to do it
>Waterloo Happen
>After defeating 4 Coalition , Fighting against literally almost the whole European Continent, getting shafted by Russian being madman and making an outright self destructive political play and Krauts revolt you finally fall
>They don't even kill you
>They just exile you to another island

>>2842224
Bad bait.

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>>2842122
>>2842139
>>2842224
>>2842309
Why? How much should he have?
>>2842289
Cool story.

>>2842347
Menelik II (20, 15)

I recognize most of them I think but when it's finished some guide would be necessary.

>>2842347
Akhnaten (70, 45)

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>>2841338
100,100 would have to be some horrible monster who died really slowly and painfully. Maybe not pic related because he was only hanged but there must be someone.

>>2842369
Maybe not deserving of 100,100 either but this guy should be up there. He killed innocent people in death camps and was eventually killed by his own prisoners.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible_(Treblinka_guard)

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>>2842347
King John for 50, 60 if he's not already on there.

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>>2842377
Pic related was ripped apart and canibalized while still alive but he lead the peasant revolt so wasn't the worst man. But being eaten alive is pretty bad just ask Timothy Treadwell.

David Douglas was a 19th century explorer who fell into a trap full of spikes and then a bull fell on top of him.

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Shah of Iran
35,70

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>>2842352
>>2842354
Yea. Though just keeping the threads in an archive would do.
>>2842357
>>2842377
>>2842394
See 60,35.
>>2842413
>>2842404

Keep it up, guys.

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>>2842430
Put Mariano Melgarejo at 10, 75

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>>2842430
25/65 for Raymond VI of Toulouse?

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Floyd Collins was a cave explorer who got stuck in a cave. Large group of people gathered around him selling food and having fun watching fruitless attempts at his rescue while the media kept reporting about him and doing interviews. He died after two weeks.

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>>2842484
One of the pics showing all the craze.

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>>2842430
Salvador Allende should be at least 60, 85. His ineptitude and shit policies were the direct cause for the coup of state. And related to him, Augusto Pinochet should be 60, 20, just above Kissinger.

>>2842484
>>2842491
What a hell of a way to die.

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>>2842466
>>2842470
>>2842484
That is pretty bad, but that's as much as I can put him at this point.
>>2842504

I guess that's it for tonight. Good night, y'all.

>>2842529
Also I think Stalin's death was definitely unpleasant, degrading and perhaps was a bit premature (by a couple of years). I guess it was also pretty common so not the worst but I wonder how was Marx's death any worse? I don't know how Marx died so maybe it was pretty rough.

>>2842529
Fuck lad, I dun goof'd it. I said 10 for Melgarejo when he should have been at 100.

>>2839497
because christfas had to put their false messiah on top

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>>2842289
Nice

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>John Paul II did nothing wrong

>>2842529
Your really obsessed with those Lucy bones...

And why did it change from red outline to orange outline???

The Romanov family, 100,10

Fucking Bolsheviks

>inb4

>>2842529
With this amount of "suffering", I'd move Poniatowski to Y: 65, at least.

>>2843194
He had a comfy life. Catherine died on a shitter (which she made out of his royal throne) and suffered more.

>>2843299
That's why I ask for the "deserving" axis to be higher, I'd also lower the suffering.

Let's say (X: 65; Y: 25)

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why is jeb so high
his suffering is bigger than shown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yHckRTkcZg
i know people made this video in a joking matter but this is actually very sad

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>>2842549
>>2843327

We need more suggestions.

>>2843448
I think Robespierre suffered more than Napoleon but I'd like to hear others commenting on it.

Also he deserved it.

>>2843448
John de Witt (X:50; Y: 60)

>>2843448
Georgios Papadopoulos at 15, 65, was a colonel who led a military coup d' etat and ruled as a dictator for 7 years, before being trialed and sentenced to death, but instead served a life sentence. He definitely didn't suffer as much or deserve it as little as a child dying in the holocaust, or Gandhi. He's more fit for 55, 25

>>2843539
The politician who got ripped apart by the crowd? I thought about him while reading this thread. I remember him from that Dutch movie about de Ruyter.

>>2843448
If he isn't already in there, Puyi 50, 55.

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Is Gustavus Adolphus in there? If not, I think he would fit in Y:30 X: 35

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Tiberius Gracchus at 40:100

>>2843448
Walter Ulbricht (55, 20)

>>2843448
Charlie Chaplin (5, 20)

>>2843668
*(20, 5)
The open square at the bottom. He was a humanitarian, anti-fascist and good person who lived a long life.

>>2843448
Move Bomber Harris to 55 deserved suffering. He was just following orders, but still. He killed civilians

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>putting countries in the list
what's the fucking point, you might as well put every single African country there as well

>>2843700
Also Lithuania and Latvia suffering is just /balt/ memes. And usual Lithuanian whining.

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>>2843448
If you are looking for a 100, 100 and we're putting flags up there anyway, put Carthage there. Deserved it since, you know, DELENDA EST, plus the ritual human sacrifice, and suffered complete destruction since the Romans erased it from history.

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>>2843700
That's exactly the point Anon.

>>2843448
Mustafa Kemal at 50 suffering, 20 deserved

>>2843731
more like (100,100)

>>2843733
t. armenian

>>2843448
Dont agree with the country placing anon

>>2843740
>suffering because he fought for nothing as Turkey is reverting back to its Islamic roots
>deserved it because he's a Jew who fought for the Turks
sounds about right

>>2843727
This, if we're adding countries there, Carthage deserves 100,100 spot

>>2843448
Eve (100, 100)

Who is 5,5?

>>2843745
He wasn't jewish. That was just what reactionary turks said about him.

>gilles de rais
HE WAS INNOCENT REEEEE
I thought /his/ knew better than falling for medieval propaganda

>>2843771
We even have the exact medieval testimonies.

>>2843448
Bill Haywood, 75 suffering 10 deserving

>>2838842
Johan de Witt

100, 10

>>2843851
To be fair, he lived for quite some time in constant fear for his life and eventually got butchered by the crowd, so the suffering should be a bit higher than 10. And he wasn't so bad to give him a 100.

>>2843851
Reason why:
>Make the Dutch republic the #1 player in global trade
>Spend a lot of money on the navy to keep this trend going, kind of leave the army on the side cause he thinks he can avoid war
>Republic is invaded by France, England, Munster and Cologne
>De Witt and his brother are dragged out onto the street, lynched and eaten by an angry mob.

>>2843863
Oh yeah I forgot, X axis first and then Y

Meant 10, 100 then

Johan dindunuffin

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Is Countess Bathory already on here? She is like 95 - 100 but really low suffering. For those who don't know her, she used to kill peasant girls and bathed in their blood believing that it made her younger. Was eventually caught but was just put on house arrest for the rest of her life.

>>2843884
Propaganda.

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I don't think Frederick II suffered as much as the chart says but here's Ötzi the Iceman. He died hard.

>>2838842
Replace Hirohito with Konoe, he's the fuck who actually made Japan fascist. Hirohito was pretty much neutral [id put him around 40 deserved it]

Nazi Germany (60, 50)

>>2843727
Disagree. If you want to go along them lines, then go with the Aztecs. Same story really.

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>... his family life was a grim affair, with his wife Jane suffering from illness and depression for much of her life. All of their children died young, their last son being gruesomely killed in a train accident while the family was traveling shortly before Pierce's inauguration

He was also a heavy drinker, and died from cirrhosis of the liver - a pretty agonizing condition. I'd say he's (85,55)

>>2843151
learn how to do axes
(10,100)

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Timur at 60 up, 75 across for being lame and causing the deaths of millions.

>>2843901
Except for all the recorded evidence. Maybe not as bad as they said but still crazy bitch

>>2843702
The whole history of Lithuania consists of it fighting for survival, independace.

>>2843448
30,95

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>>2844368

>>2844318
Last pagan nation in Europe that got really lucky by closing the deal of a lifetime.

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>>2843539
>>2843543
That's as much as I can move him.
>>2843607
See 15,100.
>>2843617
>>2843654
>>2843663
>>2843668
>>2843671
I think you got the ratings swapped. Also, that's as much as I can put him for now.
>>2843727
Kinda underwhelming, but it's a decent choice.
>>2843731
That's as much as I can put him.
>>2843742
The countries are mostly meme choices anyway. You could ask me to relocate them though.
>>2843746
>>2843763
Diogenes.
>>2843813
>>2843851
No space and already submitted
>>2843884
>>2843916
Interested in putting him, but I need your rating for that.
>>2843956
They deserved a little bit more than that for fucking Europe up pretty bad though. THeir nation also suffered way more than that.
>>2843151
>>2843985
Not sure about this, but here you go. That's as much as I can fit.
>>2843990
>>2844368

Keep it up, /his/.

Hati if anything needs to be in the top right corner. Its sad to think what happened to those folks suffering through all those shitty dictatorships but in the end deserve it for doing stupid shit not overthrowing them and burning down their half of the island to make charcoal.

>>2844610
Otzi the Iceman for 55,40.

According to the chart Bismarck suffered quite a bit. Well I guess his deathbed photo shows that.

He did deserve it though.

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>>2844610
Otto Skorzeny should be in 35, 75. He led several special operations for the Nazi Germany during the war including the one to rescue Mussolini from captivity. He got captured at the end of the war and tried for war crimes because he fought in US army uniforms during the battle of the bulge but the charges were dropped. Despite this he escaped the POW camp and helped military juntas for some time until he got recruited by the mossad to carry their dirty missions including assassinations.

Has Machiavelli been included yet? If not, where should he be? He suffered quite a lot, being tortured and exiled from Florence and all. That was also prior to him writing the Prince, which is generally regarded to be one of the cuntier things he did. So like (25, 70)?

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>>2844699

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>>2844610

El Cid (can't find hime in the chart)

70 S / D 30

>>2844610
Nguyen Ngoc Loan (X: 30; Y: 70)

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>>2843968
>>2844618
>>2844644
I think you misplaced the rating, so here you go.
>>2844699
>>2844754
>>2844796
>>2844900

Napoleon Bonaparte (90, 85)

>>2844610
>che guevara did not deserved it so much
come on, what kind of retard thinks he can fuck up with a government by waging guerrilla warfare with less than 50 hobos???

>>2844911
God damn it I am retard I meant 75, 35 for Otto Skorzeny.

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>>2844911
Herkus Monte (30; 80)

>>2844915
t. Filthy monarchist

>>2844911
(55,40) Park Chunghee

>>2844952
Based Prussians.
>>2844911
Józef Poniatowski (x: 35; Y: 80)
>his retarded cousin ruined the family name
>Napoleon failed because of not listening to his advice
>neverhteless, was loyal to the Emperor of the French until the end, and died while clearing path for his retreat.
If there was any place more on the right, I'd give him X: 20 desu.

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>>2844915
Already there.

>>2844925
>>2844952
>>2844965
>>2845003

>>2845158
I'd have Ragnar Lothbrok at x 80 y 40, and Aella of Northumbria at x 90 y55.

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>>2845158
Khalid ibn al-Walid at 55, 25

Cyrus the great in 45, 45

>>2845158
Is Richard III on there? How about Pyrrhus of Epirus?

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>>2845208
>>2845348
>>2845427
Gonna need your rating.

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>>2845427
Pyrrhus is on there, he just used a really autistic pic for him at 25, 25

I can't find if there is Socrates in this list, but he should be x 75, y 50

JW Goethe (x 20, y 5)

>>2845749
Richard III should be x 80, y 50

>>2843543
t. kνε
off yourself

>>2838842
Why the fuck is Genghis Khan so high on the suffering chart?

What's the name of 5S,100D?

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>>2842031

>not combining your fetishes by drawing her preggers with a VMI cadet protecting her

>>2838842
what the fuck did churchill do besides being fucking awesome. O no how dare he call out the germans and russians for what they are. Which is the fucking scum of the earth

>>2845749
Have the Beothuk be added?

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>>2838842
WHO THE FUCK PUT WILLY HAS DESERVING IT

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>>2845749
45, 85 to the left of Nikky.

Worked every day of his life form dawn to dusk for his people. Brother is murdered by mexicans. First dauther dies an infant. Son commits suicide. Wife is brutally stabbed to death by ancap terrorist. Heir marries a whore and gets murdered by a serb.
Lived lonely life dedicated to work

>>2846977
>gallipoli
>civilan bombing
>racist
>lived in a chateau miles behind the lines during wwi while the men he commanded lived in a trench, meanwhile adolf Hitler was shot twice and returned again and again to the front until he was blinded by a gas attack.

Churchill's only suffering was the embarrasment of losing his post as lord of the admiralty after getting 40k killed.

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Where should she go?

>>2847097
>Stole me milk
>muh mines

she gets a 10

>>2847130
It's seriously the historic version of stealing 40 cakes.

>>2847071
>decides to keep fighting the Germans
He could have taken a peace deal, saved countless British lives, then re-entered the war after Germany got shredded by Russia.

It also means you don't strain Britain's Empire to its limits so it stays more intact after the war. Not to mention the horrendous mess that was his time as Prime Minister after the war.

We're almost done with the chart I guess.

>>2847097
>>2847130
>>2847548
She destroyed half her country's industry, throwing it into poverty and indirectly caused the death of thousands

>>2848645
Right. She ruined that wonderful economic crisis of the 70s. We miss those unburried bodies and little to no private ownership.

Funny how those leftist artist only woke up outraged after a politician from a party they didn't like started doing clean up.

>>2848674
I don't hate her for shutting down the plants, I hate her for not offering up an alternative.

>>2848771
she deserves very little - britain had shit piling up everywhere, dead bodies were being left unburied, the falklands were being stolen by an oppressive military junta.

Britain was in serious trouble, and she near enough saved it for getting any worse.

inb4 but ireland
no. dont try it. "hurr durr english took ireland we take it back" - dont try using 600 year odd old history to appropriate killing random civilians who wanted to go to their families that day but couldn't.

Thatcher, as much as it pains me saying this a lefty, saved us from the fucking awful labour party.
Would you have taken Michael Foot over her?

>>2849095
there was a quote I saw once

"what was crucially missing from the set of ideas called Thatcherism was any vision of community."

>>2849109
Well if whoever made this quote wanted community they should join a church or something. Your abandonment issues shouldn't influence how we evaluate politicians.

>>2849139
that's not what I was getting at, I was just saying that is why most people do not like her, they felt she was heartless and unsympathetic

I was actually the one who did >>2849095