/tpg/: ThinkPad General

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>that feel of running your finger around the soft rim trackpoint

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Post your custom ThinkPad BIOS logo lads.

pic not mine but i want ideas, also the 30kb limit is pretty restricting.

>>62068309
>the 30kb limit
what filetype?

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>>62068309

>>62068309
We should make a booru to store these.

>>62068319
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>>62068309

Which laptops >=2012 with socketted CPU take a second battery?

>>62068352

T420/T430 both can take a 6 cell slice.

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rojopill me on x220 vs x230

>>62068387
x220 has the superior keyboard.

I have an x220 and I've had it since 2011, been thinking about upgrading to the dell xps 13

>>62068319
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>>62068387
X220 has a better keyboard and an infinitely better trackpoint, but you can transplant those onto an X230 for the massive iGPU improvement and allegedly better battery life.

>>62068431
Why? The X220 is still more than enough for all the tasks you need a laptop for.

>>62068387
It all comes down to a few things
-Keyboard: The X220 is the last generation with the old style keys. Starting with the X230, they started using chicklet keyboards. Personal preference
-Price: X220s are usually a little cheaper.
-Performance: Ivy Bridge (X230) is better than Sandy Bridge (X220)
-Customization: The X230 requires a BIOS and EC flash to modify anything. X220 only requires it for some things.

i want to violently mame some of these ebay sellers

>seller refurbished
>in good condition

screen is fucking cracked and the laptop has an actual fucking hole in it


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-X220-Tablet-i7-2640M-IPS-TOUCHSCREEN-320GB-4GB-Win-7-Pro-/253112976076?hash=item3aeeb582cc:g:99AAAOSw-81ZnuY5#viTabs_0

What european websites other than allegro should I use? All thinkpads on ebay are in the us and it's not worth the shipping and customs

Hello, I am looking to buy a new laptop for university, and figured out that a thinkpad might be the best option. I am pretty sure that a a T-series thinkpad suits my needs.
Budget:>400
Location: Belgium

Should I use buy one from the US or go for one in Europe?

Thanks in advance.

>>62068625

Whatever is cheapest. Germany seems to have an abundance of Thinkpads.

T420 or X220 with 9 cell battery + 6 cell battery slice is always comfy as fuck.

>>62068387
with a xx20 you can use use 3rd party batteries

with an unlocked bios xx20 you can
use dual band AC card
disable Turbo Boost so I instantly get -10 C during cpu loads
switch alpm mode from slumber to partial if you got a ssd
disable intel ME features
modify active trip points for the fan
disable bios event log
set ram to 1866mhz

basically one click to flash a new bios
http://www95.zippyshare.com/v/rBVD1Bf6/file.html
and you're done.

>>62068387
X230 is better
Disregard X220

>>62068653
Except you can do most of that on the XX30 line too without any special hardware

>>62068508
Also worth mentioning the EC flash which is required for removing the battery drm and fixing the keys on the classic keyboard requires no special hardware

>>62068674
>>62068696
"only fags use xx20s"
But what if I use a T410

>>62068737
you're an alpha chadmaster

>>62068737
>God tier 16:10
Well you've obviously made a good choice then haven't you?

>>62068431
>upgrading
I don't think you know what that word means

>>62068674
>>62068696
forgot the rest of my post:


the one and only argument here for a xx30 thinkpad is "muh gpu" along with "but you don't need all that stuff trust me I know what you need" specific to mentally ill individuals. also, if you skim through these threads you'll realize most people buy xx30 models and start swapping their keyboards and hardware flash just to turn them into """"inferior"""" xx20 models.

>>62068506

its slow and old and the ultrathin bezel of the xps is alluring

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My t420 is getting to 60°C how to solve heating issue I blew out the dust of the inside is it the cpu or should I get laptop cooler stand?

>>62069060

Apply new thermal compound.

>>62069060
remove the fan and heatsink
clear the fan
clear the old paste on both the heatsink and cpu
add good paste (pea method), everything else is shit
test

>>62069009
You mean shitpost

You only need to flash your bios for the 1866 mhz ram, wifi card and Intel me
And honestly if care about those that much dropping 5-6 dollars for a soic clip shouldn't be a problem considering how much 1866 mhz ram and a 7260 AC costs you dumb mentally unstable faggot

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>>62069009
What concerns me more is the level of assburger you guys have for defending the laptop you own.

It's not like arguing for months in and out is going to change anyone's mind.

>buy 1080p screen
>set resolution to 1366x758

Why is scaling so shit?

>>62069128
>You only need to
Like I said, "I know what you need" type arguments galore, zero substance.

Why is the t420 so superior? Should I get t440 if I can get one cheap? What about the t4xxs line? Is it shit?

>>62069312
>implying you're not doing the "I know what you need" bullshit you're blaming me for
You're doing the same thing you dishonest faggot
You're lying by saying shit like """ only the gpu """
Just can it you double nigger

>>62069052
>slow
Clean it out and replace the thermal paste.

>>62069374
>why is the T420 superior
It isn't
the T430 is arguably better if you know what you want
>should I get a T440
No you should get a T440p if you find it for cheap
>T s line
Don't.

>>62069374
>Should I get t440 if I can get one cheap?
No, the t440 is like a child between X and T. Pretty much just a 14" ultrabook.

t440p on the other hand it's good after a touchpad replacement.

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Sup faggots what should I offer for this https://holland.craigslist.org/sys/d/lenovo-156-e550-thinkpad-i7/6277182601.html

>>62068320
10/10
needs pepe sticker too

>>62068591
Disregard that, apparently ebay shows us only listings by default? That's dumb

Can I put a **10 series keyboard on my T430?

Can I upgrade the storage and/or ram on a yoga 720 13"?

Anyone here put Ivy Bridge cpu into their T420?

>>62069687
iirc T410, T420, X220 keyboard are all the same hardware so these should work with the mod. don't know the rest. Someone else confirm

>>62069452
Is 550 € good price for a t440p with i7-4700mq, 8gb, 256gb ssd, nvidia GT730M, 1920x1080?
And what about 220 € for a t430 with i5-3320m, 4gb, 320gb hdd and 1600x900?

>>62069886
no idea about europe prices but that t440p is pretty much maxed already.

>nvidia dGPU + QM processor, both sharing the same heatsink
if you end up buying it please post temps, i'm curious about that

>>62068334
make one then

>>62069931
I don't think I will buy it. I did some research and found out it is running quite hot. I'll search for a t430 with better specs than the one I posted.

We got thinkpad 13" Gen 2 with 768ps from our college.

How shitty was their choice?
And how much of a fag am I for owning one?

>>62070161
you aren't a fag for owning a thinkpad, anon

you're a fag because you smoke pole for fun

>>62070198
Oh thank you kind stranger.

But is it a good thinkpad?

>>62070161
What model? If the model code (T410, X220) isn't displayed below the LCD, its likely not great.

>>62070265
It says "13"

>>62070216
Looks like the typical Walmart ultrabook, probably U processor and stupid shit like soldered ram as well.

Wouldn't buy one personally but i guess it's okay if given for free/10

>>62070278
Not as good as a T- or X-series thinkpad then.

>>62070281
It has replacable ram i think, atleast you can add ram.

As I said, it's a thinkpad 13" Gen 2 with 768ps from our college.

And we got them for free, so I think that's a great deal. (We get stipends for this via our government)

Can I put an X230 keyboard on an X220?

>>62070287
>>62070281

Here's the website for it: http://www3.lenovo.com/au/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-13-series/ThinkPad-13-Windows-2nd-Gen/p/22TP2TX133E

I find it cool how I can choose between charging with USB-C and use the weird charger that comes with it.

>>62070216
>But is it a good thinkpad?

I wouldn't even call it a real Thinkpad.
Lenovo is cheapening the brand with consumer orientated stuff like this.

>>62068320
Shit. I want pepe on my laptop. I'm jealous

>>62070216

looking at the lenovo site it seems like the base model would be breddy good for general school use and not much else. it seems a little expensive for the base model and quickly gets unreasonable once you add a dec processor and a little more ram.

like this anon said >>62070281
if it was free then use it as a schoolwork machine with a great battery and don't worry about how small your benis is

>>62070346
Like before. Its not horrible but its not 11/10 ThinkPad quality

>>62070161
>How shitty was their choice?

For $60 extra they could have upgraded from that 768p TN to a 1080p IPS.
It's especially shitty because now there will be a meme that Thinkpads have bad screens and everyone from your college will end up buying Macs because of it.

Other than that I don't know what I would have done with a similar budget.
L470 would have been great but it's more expensive.

>>62070484
We get these from school. And the school buys them from the government.

The media and communication people can choose to get a macintosh, but they have to pay a hefty price of their own as well.

So you can choose to have a free laptop, or pay for a mac.

>>62070519
At
>no cost to you
It's a good deal. If you have to buy one in the future...
>Don't get a Thinkpad 13
As there are much better options in the wild wild laptop west.

>>62070519
I meant once your class graduates they will all dump Thinkpad and go for Apple instead.

Had they provided the better screen option there might have been some people who would stick with Thinkpads for the rest of the lives.
It's a missed opportunity from Lenovo who no doubt sponsors this deal by giving big discounts.

>>62070625
Everybody loves it in my class.

But that's probably because I am in computer electronics.

e

>>62070625
>>62070631

But the IT here did something really stupid. They made it so if you close the lid it turns off.

Everything on the PC is yours, your user is the admin on it and everything.

I was able to edit the register and some shit, but I don't think my class mates won't nother to do that.

I think they did it so if you are doing shit on the PC instead of listening to the teacher they can just close your lid and all your progress is lost (in games and in word)

>>62070679
>all that shit you typed

Are you 14?

>>62070703
>College
>14
Not too far off to be honest

>>62070723
Are you still in numbered grade school? Or is it university?

>>62070631
>>62070679

>computer electronics
>doesn't know how to change the power settings.

figures.

>>62070758
It is called "Vidregående"

It is after 10th grade which is the last year of high school. Which we graduate at age 16.

>>62070784
You can't change the power settings, since it is changed by the domain.

You can change it in the regestry, though.

>>62070790
Ah, so College would be grades 11 and 12, AKA the end of High School in the States.

>>62070825
College here is 2 to 5 years long, depending on the line you choose.

What's with the picture in the OP?
There is literally nothing wrong with the T430.

>>62070852
frogposters do retarded shit, water is wet, etc

Is an Elitebook 2570p better than the x230? I can find 2570p for much cheaper.

Does anyone know if a w530 will use all 32gb of ram if I get it?

>>62068352
T420s/30s

>>62071291
Yes.

>>62068309
how to do this on linux

>>62071413
make a small partition, install w7 there, change the logo and then nuke the partition

>>62070969
a perfectly alright alternative if you can get a better price and don't feel the need to be a meme-ber of the thinkpad club. some things i've noticed with my 2570p vs my x220:

-super duper solid
-touchpad feels better, trackpoint not as good but very useable
-no middle mouse button sucks, but has emulation in linux via clicking both buttons at the same time
-keyboard layout sucks, chiclets keys are passable, not any worse than a macbook pro from that era
-tn panel is marginally better than the stock x220 tn, not as good as even the chinkiest counterfeit x220/30 ips replacement
-lol @ their "thinklight". fucking screen lights up the keys better
-swappable cpu is great. got a deal on a 3632qm and popped it in
-access panel RULES. swap parts and blow out dust all day
-onboard sound seems better
-bootable esata is great
not overly hard to set up an egpu, but x220 was more plug & play

might look like an overall win for an x220/30, but i still think the 2570p has a lot going for it as long as you are ok with no ips upgrade path and the keyboard. upgradeable cpu, dvd drive, raid 0, esata, etc can mean a lot to some people. at the end of the day it's arguing over the merits of old business laptops that sell for less than $200, so fuck it just buy one

>>62068255
Just got my x230 in the mail, god the keyboard and trackpad is bad. I already have a x220 keyboard on order, but can the trackpad be changed? otherthan that it's a nice improvment over my old x201 (i5, this has a i7).

From which model can I swap it's fan to a T60 to drastically lower temps?

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What's the best thinkpad for learning moon?

>>62071779
Anything with an IPS screen + weeb keyboard

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>>62071832
>+ weeb keyboard
This part isn't necessary for me as I've ordered keyboard moon stickers.

>>62071894
you'd be lacking 5 extra keys though, i have the weebboard

>>62070334
pls respond

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>>62068309

>>62071832
Like what?

>>62072231
>stretched
>bios message
are you even trying

>>62072238
x220, x230, the tablet versions if you want to draw penises, etc

>>62072260
I don't know how to fix it, please help.

If I don't have an extra 2" SSD and dock what is the point of the T470?

Seems like I should just get a T470s.

>>62072322
make it 16:9 originally (1366x768 for example) then force the aspect ratio to 4:3 and save it as a 640x480 image even if it looks like shit, it'll stretch back to 16:9 again. For the bios message there's a setting in the bios, dunno where it was.

post results

>>62072387
Couldn't get it to a small enough file size when I did it that way.

>>62072424
Post the original 16:9 img i'll do it. I'm still looking for ideas to flash on my memepad.

>>62072377
T470s has no external battery.
Pretty big disadvantage IMO.


btw: it does have a docking port.

>>62072445
you mean USB C?

not too concerned on battery as long as it gets something like 8-9 hours on notebookcheck wifi test

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>>62072441
Not 16:9 but here

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>2017
>not using a ThinkPad tablet PC

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In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

>>62071432
I have no room for that

>>62069009
X220s are way harder to find with IPS screens than X230s.
IPS X230 + new X220 kb and palmrest + piss easy EC flash is equal in price to TN X220 + IPS screen upgrade.

>>62072466
It has the normal docking port on the bottom.

The T460s didn't have one.
But the T470s, quite surprisingly, does.

hey I just put an SSD in the main hard drive bay of my T520 and put it in the little caddy thing with the rubber rails but it's still a little short and slightly wobbles, is it safe to put some kind of padding or foam in there to keep it still?

>>62072514
Do the yogas come any smaller?

>>62072519
Forgot to mention the i7 X220 is a housefire that throttles a ton. The i7 X230 is as power efficient as an i5 X220 due to the Ivy Bridge die shrink.

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>>62072514
>>62072559
Only 14" I believe.

Cat is not impressed.

some fag on craigslist is selling a t420s for $120
>i7 2640m 2.8 ghz
>150 gb ssd
>8gb ram
>nvidia 4200m
>win10
should i haggle or pay the jew?

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>x220 tablet sits at ~140 f with icecat, thunderbird and deadbeef going

>>62072490
here, my.mixtape.moe/xqznhf.gif or weeb desktop thread version my.mixtape.moe/atkfvk.gif

>>62072626
Haggle a little.

>>62072653
what is avg. price for these little pups?

>>62072680
120 sounds like a good deal. if it was ebay I'd rec you give him shit and save on shipping, but rapelist; just don't get stabbed.
the guy might have an entire basement filled with people like you.

>>62068498
>infinitely better trackpoint
Wait what? I never heard about this. The trackpoint on my X230 is really loose and wobbly even with a brand new cap. If this is true I'm definitely switching the keyboard.

>>62072650
Thank a bunch m8

>>62072692
fuck man i would kill to find a tranny to ass pound on rapelist they are all fakes or flakes

>>62072722
It's okay i'm bored and stuck tethering 3G to my memepad, can't do shit. Post results after flashing to check if it worked.

X220 Table just arrived. Everything looks nice beside a scratch over the battery area. Is there a steps guide on what to do after getting a new thinkpad ?

>>62072787
Wipe hdd, install OS. With windows hunt down the driver software on lenovo's website. With linux you go get an anime wallpaper right away.

I have a 8gb ram stick @ 1600mhz in my x230and thinking about getting another one. If get another one (i guess with different timming), how will it effect the performance? (or will it even work?)

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>>62072641
Have you tried replacing the thermal paste? It is a bit of a hassle, but it does work. You could also turn off turbo boost and run only at the base clock. This helps with load temperatures a lot more than idle though.

Pic related. This is what an X220's default thermal paste looks like after five years. Crusty and brittle.

>>62072968
Yes and yes. Maybe gnome's just a little too much for this old girl.

>>62072752
I have to reinstall Windows first and I have to do some other shit, but once it's done I'll definitely post it.

I want something 4k, durable, light, and can run the occasional basic games. Will be running Arch and will probably only be playing non-intensive games for the most part.

sub $2000 please

>>62073050
Oh and I forgot to mention, I prefer non-anti-glare screens. The glossy looks better to me, but it's not a huge deal.

>>62073050
>4k
>laptop

You want it dipped in snake oil too?

>>62073050
what do you need 4k for if you're running arch and playing non intensive games? 4k on a laptop is a mistake anyway.


I would get this one since it's touchscreen so when you swipe jelly beans on candy crush you can get the enjoyment of doing it with your fingers.
https://www.amazon.com//dp/B01IABDY8A

>>62073050
>>62073070
I refuse to believe this is a legitimate post.

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What do you guys carry your thinkpads in? My old bag is too small now that I've switched from a t420 to a t520. I was thinking about getting a nice alienware bag but the reviews are all biased.

>>62073077
My friend just got a laptop that's 4k and was only $1500 new, I got to use it and it's pretty cool and has good color reproduction.

>>62073090
Watching 4k video and having a high pixel density. Why is is 4k on a laptop a mistake?

>>62073093
Oh it's real alright

>>62071832
>>62071929
Is it possible to swap in a kana keyboard on the T420?

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>>62073157
Pic related, got it for free from the seller when i bought my T440p.

>>62073201
Yes it is.

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>>62073157

saw dat thinkpad retro at work today, shit was damn sexy. wish I could tell you guys all about it

I can 100% confirm 7 row keyboard and that's all they'd let me say.

>>62073225
wtf

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>>62073225
are you this guy?

>>62073225
what do you do with 4 thinkpads

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>>62073157
Mine normally just goes in my backpack, but I got pic related at a thrift store for $4.99 the other day. I plan on using it when I bring it places other than college, since my backpack already has a pocket for it.

>>62073220
>Yes it is.
Excellent, I hadn't even considered this possibility before. I've gotten so used to romaji input but kana input is something I've always wanted to learn.

>>62073247
thinkbag strong, hold many pad. or less pads and more peripherals. using it now to transport my W530 and T420 with AC adapters for each, studio headphones, mouse, and a whole bunch of other various things besides that.

>>62073276
in time.
>implying i even get invited to parties

>>62073441
i dunno, thinkpad stuff? if or when any of them stop working for any reason, it's nice to always have a replacement available. also nice to know that besides how cheap they are, i really don't have to give any fucks about one being lost, stolen or damaged because my thinkpads are many.

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What is the best heatsink for a T430?

>>62073565
you make a good point

>>62073544
aliexpress.com/item/weebshit/32817205813.html

Here, follow the way of the weeaboo with me. I have the chiclet t440p version though.

New thinkpad owner here (X201T). Will disabling bluetooth save me a significant amount of battery drainage, or is it small enough to not really notice? Sorry if this is more /sqt/

>>62073777
This is certainly /tpg/, but depends on the OS. The blanket answer is a firm probably, and why have it enabled if you dont have anything that interfaces with it.

Im looking at a x220, i7, 256gb ssd, 8gb ram. Ex Bank lease in good condition, 235 American burgers.
Worth it? Buying basically just to own a thinkpad.

>>62073932
get x230 for that much burgers

>>62073932
The x220 i7 should have usb 3.0 ports so yeah why not.

>>62073822
Good point. I'm sticking with Windows 7 for now because of the easy driver support (I didn't have to install anything manually and the stylus works perfectly even with pressure sensitivity in OneNote).

>>62068653
>disable Turbo Boost so I instantly get -10 C during cpu loads
Turbo Boost can be disabled in kernel, and disabling it reduces performance fairly significantly, at least on an i7 X220. If you have temperature problems, it may be better to install thermald, which will throttle at high temps, but you'll still get turbo boost overclock for average tasks.

>>62068352
T340 on

>>62071354
shitty soldered processor

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>>62072692
I got a x300 for 20$ on craigslist :^)
I thought I was gonna get raped for that price
but it turned out to be a wheelchair bound dude that fixes laptops on the side

>>62074188
housefire tier extension cords my man

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>>62074222
>housefire tier extension cords my man
Mate that's nothing. Look at this little fire hazard I've made up for myself.

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>>62068309

>>62074267
I like it.

Ok someone tell me why I'd use Libreboot?

>>62074354
Increases your autism by 730%.

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>>62069502
Some white guy is missing his laptop. You should buy it from Jamaal D'quan and return it to him Anon.

>>62074366
Does it even support the w530? And, as its minimalistic, is there PXE support? I need PXE boot

>>62074442
no, for now it only supports some devices with core 2 duos and that's it

>>62074498
Thanks for the info. Guess I can stop wondering about it. Same goes for coreboot?

There's a t440p nearby for $120.

Are post __30 thinkpads THAT bad anons?

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>>62073157
>What do you guys carry your thinkpads in?
My x230 fits in this bag with a 9 cell. It juust fits when you zip it so there's not much padding on a couple corners but I can fit my tablet, ipod classic, and ereader along with charging cables and whatever else fits all at the same time. Pretty nifty gadget or day bag.

>>62073948

It's tough to find the ips x230 in good nick. The only reason I wouldn't go for the x230 plus modded screen and kb is that I'm buying from Australia and will get raped in shipping.

>>62074555
Used Thinkpads are cheap because corps refresh their tech every 4-6 years, so there is a proliferation in the market of used business machines.

>>62074555
T440p is the last good ThinkPad with socketed upgradable processor. The keyboard is a subjective issue and solving the touchpad problem is as easy as replacing it.

>>62072559
Not the X1 yoga but there is a Thinkpad Yoga 12 and 13

>>62072512
>x200
Sorry anon I want a resolution greater than 1200x800 for drawing :(

If there was an X60T with modern hardware and a multitouch digitizer I would buy the shit out of it

tfw when everyone wants to ditch the chiclet kb for a classic, and its still the best kb i've ever used on a lappy

I'm getting an HP instead lol.

>>62074601
This
The curved keys make it worlds apart from any other current year keyboards

I was a little underwhelmed after swapping my X230 kb to classic X220 one

>>62074581
I didn't mean is it that bad to be so cheap but is it that bad that copping it for $120 is a bad idea instead of getting say a T420

>>62074555
That's an absolute steal anon
Plenty of money headroom to drop in the T450 trackpad and a better 1080p screen or even just flip it on ebay for twice the price or more

>>62074612
So is it really not worth getting a x220 over a x230 for the classic keyboard (I know you can mod but I'm lazy)?

>>62074637
I would say no
Yes the 7 row layout is nice but if you arent really used to having those keys up there then it's not a big deal

Personally I find myself typoing more often after doing the keyboard swap

I won't swap back, but if I knew how it would be beforehand I probably wouldnt have bothered

The real reason is the X220 keyboard also feels shitty compared to the days of T60 and older

>>62074663
Ok I'll probably go for a x230 then.

>>62074671
>I would say no
Pretty much the only good reason to go for X220 is that it might be found for cheaper

But the X230 has other benefits such as USB3 ports and a better iGPU

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So the x220 is truly the best thinkpad to lean moon on. Thanks /tpg/.

I got my w530 yesterday and im in love

>>62074714
I have a beautiful t420 that just came in the mail
it needs a little bit of fixing but it's still actually in wonderful condition everywhere else.
I don't know how much the t510 (nvs model) goes for but I think I'll end up selling it on ebay at some point.

Yeah I really like the X230 keyboard. I type with a bastardized touch-type/hunt&peck hybrid and I really like the spacing and curved keys. I used an Apple chiclet keyboard in the past so maybe that's why but I've never been able to like classic laptop keyboards. Plus, I think that PrtSc button to the right of the spacebar is convenient and so are PgUp and PgDn.

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>>62074762
I had a minor seperation in my chassis at one of the hinge joints. my component tech fixed it in 10 minutes. might as well be a brand new machine

>>62074797
One of the corners are missing and broken off on the bottom of the case. I'll buy a new one for 10 dollars

>>62074222
If you look to the left you'll see a hyper212 cpu cooler
I was building a 32 core server and had 2 rackmount servers and my desktop
All connected at the same time, on that extension cable that was connected to two other extension cables

Thinkpad newfag here, is a T420 a solid option for fucking around and learning GNU?

>>62074817
My only real complaint is that it feels like plastic compared to the carbon fiber I'm used to from the t440. I'm worried I'll break a corner too

my t420 arrived! i had my hangups but now i've got a comfortable loonix install, everything runs smooth and the design is fucking amazing on every level
only problems are that it didn't have a main drive bay (just a sata uplink) but i propped it up with some dead ddr3 and i broke a hinge on the trackpoint left click so it's kinda floaty rn, but even then the build quality on this thing is fucking magnificent
thanks for the help /g/uys

>>62074879
Just stop calling it GNU, Stallman is a whiney freetard

>>62074879
yes but i'd recommend an x220 instead because of the IPS screen.

>>62074887
Build quality is a good thing right but I've honestly never dropped a laptop before so I'm not too worried
>muh rollcage
I've used the schools chromebooks and know just how delicate new laptops can be. Since I'll be carrying this one around school I'll be glad I won't accidentally break it setting down my backpack.

>>62074679
>日本語を学んで始める代わりに新しいノートを買っている
>新しいノートは日本語の勉強をもっと易しくなされると思っている

>>62068309
Could you upload it pls

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Who else here T60?

>>62075183
>pic not mine
>could you upload it
anon pls

>>62075315

I know but maybe there was a chance that you had it

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Are there any compatible third-party keyboards so I can replace the T450 keyboard with a classic one?

Will the X220 take an ivy bridge i5?
I want that die shrink, less heat, and more battery.

>>62075630
Xs have soldered unupgradable processors.

>>62075245
Whats a good price to snag one off CL? Theres one for $85. Would $30 be outlandish?

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Be honest, /tpg/, would you buy this?

>15-in IPS screen with a resolution of 1400x1050
>i7-7700HQ CPU
>up to 32 GB DDR4 RAM

>>62075573
Maybe the kb on the SL410, but I'm not sure.

Is 50°C normal for an X230? I just cleaned it and replaced the paste yesterday.

>>62075693
1600x1200 would be my go to but otherwise yeah

>>62075693
How much? And how the hell is a T60 using DDR4 and a Skylake?

>>62075719
T70 project

PSA: You can safely remove the trackpoint's middle click if you ever need to. I had a spare **20 keyboard that was missing the middle click button, so I removed the one on my worn to shit T520's keyboard, and successfully snapped it in to the other keyboard. The feel of a new(ish) **20 keyboard is glorious. To remove it, take out the keyboard from the laptop, bend the keyboard ever so gently length-wise, and with light pressure, get your nail under the button on the bottom side, press the button, and then carefully pull towards you.

>>62075711
That's normal enough, especially for summer. X220 and X230 can be housefires.

>>62075693
If the ports line up with the spaces in the chassis in a way that doesn't look ghetto, hell yes.

>>62075781
I guess I can live with that, it's not like I'm doing anything too heavy on a 12-inch laptop anyway.

Inspecting a used X1 Carbon. BIOS is without password. Anti Theft and Computrace enabled by default but it allows me to disable them without password.
Is this good to buy?

>>62075804
How much

>>62075693
Yes

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>>62075781
>If the ports line up with the spaces in the chassis in a way that doesn't look ghetto, hell yes.

They machined their own port holes in the chassis.

>>62075828
X1C with the 'S' key popping off. Only 30hrs on the SSD. i7 3rd gen for $460. India.

Is this ebay listing for the X230 any good?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-X230-12-5-INTEL-CORE-I5-3230M-2-60GHZ-8GB-128Gb-WINDOWS-10-PRO-/222499822453?hash=item33ce05db75:g:ml0AAOSw42JZC8lT


>Manufacturer: Lenovo
>Model: x230
>CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-3320M (2.60 GHz, 3MB L3, 1600MHz FSB)
>RAM: 8G DDR3 (2x4GB)
>Hard Drive: 128GB Solid STATE DRIVE SSD Sata 2.5" SUPER FAST performance
>Graphics: Intel integrated HD
>Screen: 12.5" 1366X768
>Optical: no
>Webcam: Low-Light 720p HD Camera with Face Tracking
>Network: 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet - Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6250 AGN
>Interfaces: (1) MiniDisplayPort with audio (1) VGA (2) USB 3.0 (1) USB 2.0 (1) Always on USB 2.0 (1) 4-in-1 SD Card Reader (SD/SDHC/SDXC/MMC slot) (1) Express Card 54mm
>COA: Windows 10 Professional

If I get it, it will be my very first Thinkpad and business class laptop. I've also used shitty <$500 consumer class HP Pavilion or Dell Inspiron, but since I'm going to college very soon I've been thinking about getting a durable but portable Thinkpad.

>>62075926
Just remember you aren't getting the legendary ThinkPad build quality.

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Is there a way to swap out the wretched screen on a T430? This piece of shit TN panel is making me absolutely livid when I have to stare at it for too long. It makes my fucking eyes bleed.

And for that matter, is it possible to swap out an X220 screen with something higher-res?

X200 for $45?

Y/N

>>62076015
For T430 find the Alienware M14x R2 panel
It's glossy but it's astronomically better looking

Due to eBay laptopscreen being shitters who will send you "compatible" models the best way to get the right screen is to buy the whole upper lid of an Alienware M14x R2

Look it up by part number to ensure you get the 1600x900 one

>>62076043
Does this panel work for the t420 too?
I heard it's also a tn panel but just a better one right?
Anyway if it is too bright I don't want it. I like having a dim screen.

>>62076062
>Anyway if it is too bright I don't want it. I like having a dim screen.
You realize every laptop has brightness controls?

>>62075937
$240 seems a bit pricey for an x230 but yes you're right that it's a damn good laptop. Also you can upgrade the display to an IPS one.

>>62076066
wow
I never knew that thanx bro

No but seriously I use it on the lowest setting at night I really don't like it when they're too bright

among x220, t420 and 2570p the best one is the 2570p, right? I'll be programming, reading documents, watching videos and surfing the web (mostly texts and videos)

>>62076179
>2570p, right? I'll be programming, reading documents, watching videos and surfing the web (mostly texts and videos)
You might not like the 2570p then because it has an awful TN display

So does t420

x220 has a much better IPS panel
However the T420 will win on the resolution front offering 1600x900 which will be way better for your reading and programming

>>62076179
2570p is a meme
its cooling is not sufficient to support a quad core without throttling to hell so its sole benefit over x220/x230 (socketed cpu) is useless

>>62076030
pls rebly

>>62075688
I dunno, I bought quite a few for 30-50 before I got my ideal one assembled here.

I'm going to sell them off on fleabay some time soon, the wife is getting angry about the piles of Thinkpads.

Found out about libreboot the other day. Torn between the x60 and x200 tablets.

x60t sounds like it is more likely to actually disable intel management engine, but I want x64 and I can't seem to find one for sale with the L7400, the only x64 processor it came with. Also, apparently it's a crapshoot with getting a compatible screen. The only x60 tablets I can find with the x64 processor are sold by a website with libreboot already installed, and they want nearly $700USD for it.

x200t needs to be a SL-series processor from what I read, that's easy enough, but it seems more wizardry in the way it disables the intel management engine. I probably just don't understand it fully, I just get the impression that the x60 is more trustworthy.

And supposedly the librecore fork should be coming out with something this year, should I just wait for that? I really want the tablet meme.

T520 or W520? I heard the W Series are the top-of-the-line in terms of productivity and specs. Also, they're around the same price over here.

>>62076248
my initial plan was to go with x220 because it is cheaper than 2570p here where I live (3rd world country) but I kept watching videos with comparisons and almost changed my mind, that's why I came here to ask. guess I'm embracing the memepad x220, all I'll need is an ssd! I can feel the comfyness already. thx

>>62076264
good to know. then I will fully embrace memepad x220. thx

Best thinkpad for running dwarf fortress?

>>62068255
Hey guys, are those thinkpads w/ retina worth it? Like X1 Carbon 4. Most of my tasks are compiling in ram, programming and reading the internets. Also, heard emacs looks good on a retina screen.

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>>62041204
:^)

I'm about to buy a refurbished X230 from ebay, everything seems great but it had a 6-cell battery instead of 9-cell as I would've wanted. I can buy a 9-cell in a month but not immediately because of poverty. How is battery life like on the X230 with a 6-cell battery, with moderate to heavy use? And how many more hours can I expect from a 9-cell?

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>can't press my FN key without it falling off the plastic clip things
How to fix? Do I need a new clip or a new key?

>>62076801
you need more nocturnal tofu delivery

>>62069009
USB 3.0

>>62076423
T440p

>>62076397
W

>>62076030
yes

>>62074605
nigger

>>62074188
nice

>>62074089
>and disabling it reduces performance fairly significantly,
that's not true, an i7 with turbo mode gets really hot especially on a x220. also turbo mode is kinda useless without c-states disabled if you think about it.

we're talking about running one core at +500mhz and +10W for a maximum of 28 seconds until the whole thing gets hot as fuck and throttled
VS
every core at max base frequency and barely/never get throttled under normal circumstances (with a decent thermal paste and clean heatsink)

>>62069388
>You're doing the same thing you dishonest faggot

Not really, I said "here are the benefits of a xx20" and you keep posting
>You're wrong, you should purposely cuck yourself by getting a xx30 and not getting those immediate benefits. You don't need them and you know it!!!
over and over, that's not an argument. enjoy being an angry cuck using that Acer tier xx30 line, you're just confirming the OP meme.

Battery is getting less than two hours battery life in my T420.

Do I get one of these bad boys?
https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Extended-Battery-0a36303-Originals/dp/B00LLT3ANI

Current in a 55++ 9 cell. I heard there was a recall on them.

>>62077139
>I heard there was a recall on them.
https://download.lenovo.com/lenovo/content/rojo/LenovoBattery.exe

>>62076851
>an i7 with turbo mode gets really hot especially on a x220
Yes, for sustained tasks, but it doesn't get hot enough to throttle for short workloads.
Quick example - first make test file:

$ dd if=/dev/zero of=test bs=1G count=5
5+0 records in
5+0 records out
5368709120 bytes (5.4 GB, 5.0 GiB) copied, 15.0416 s, 357 MB/s

Sha256sum w/ Turbo Boost enabled:

$ time sha256sum test
[redacted due to spam filter]  test

real    0m35.658s
user    0m34.948s
sys    0m0.708s

And sha256sum with Turbo boost disabled (frequency now locked to 2.7 GHz max):

$ time sha256sum test
[redacted due to spam filter]  test

real    0m42.471s
user    0m41.692s
sys    0m0.776s

That's a 20% or so decrease in performance for a single threaded task, which is expected as far as I can tell. I've tested for multi-threaded tasks, too, and performance decreases even more with turboboost disabled, down by ~25%.

>>62076472
I've never owned a laptop with anything higher than a 35 watt TDP CPU. How noisy/warm is that under load?

Who else is as comfy as I am? I have an X40 which I've tweaked, it almost never even turns on the fan and runs for like 10 hours on a cheap chinese replacement battery.

I want to keep this thing forever.

Why chinks are always the ones who creates mods and custom boards for Thinkpads?
I want a american designed Raven Ridge mobo for the X220.

https://flash.newegg.com/Product/9SIA5HA4AW3955


How good of a deal is this?

>>62077236
Not much noisier than any other laptop. The Zbook runs dead silent for most of the time, and it won't make any noticeable noise unless I have multiple programs running. Only when I was rendering some 4K video in Kdenlive was the laptop loud, even then it wasn't much louder than any other laptop. When that video was rendering ( a 2minute clip, took 9 minutes to render) the left hand side keyboard did get pretty warm (maybe 50C) but it wasn't uncomfortable.

>>62077214
>I've tested for multi-threaded tasks, too, and performance decreases even more with turboboost disabled
that sounds like bullshit tho because turbo mode applies to one core by design on sandy bridge cpu's.
also if I run a task that makes the cpu burst for 20 seconds every 2 minutes I really don't want my temps and noise to oscillate that badly like a chainsaw.
also what trully helps multicore performance is having hyperthreading disabled too.
you're better off with a desktop computer if you don't care for cool&quiet.

i have a t520, the lower mouse buttons piss me off sometimes, they stick if there is any pressure at all under them. Aside from that, 9/10 hackintosh system

>>62077380
Why not just disable them and the trackpad completely?

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>>62077325
>that sounds like bullshit tho
I've run the tests myself, like I said, and it's not.
>because turbo mode applies to one core by design on sandy bridge cpu's
I tested what you claim, and you're mostly wrong. Webm related shows frequency of my CPU as it's under load: it appears one core will be at max frequency (3400 MHz), while all other cores are at 3200 MHz. Given that non-turbo frequency is 2700 MHz, that's still a 500-700 MHz higher clock on all cores, which explains the performance increase.
>what trully helps multicore performance is having hyperthreading disabled too
Except this is wrong, too - hyperthreading increases performance as far as I can tell on my X220, and thus I enable it.

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>>62069211
because lcd senpai

>>62076472
desde :33333333333

>>62077544
>hyperthreading increases performance
hyperthreading does not increase multicore performance. a software that uses 4 threads will NOT benefit from hyperthreading. instead it contributes to temp increase.

>I tested what you claim, and you're mostly wrong. Webm related shows frequency of my CPU as it's under load
>quote from spec: The processor supports a Turbo mode where the processor can use the thermal capacity associated with package and run at power levels higher than TDP power for short durations. This improves the system responsiveness for short, bursty usage conditions.

and it gets hot faster and throttles thus proving my point, why would I want that in exchange for +20% in sha256sum tests? you now that trickles down to ~8% in practical day to day programs.

>>62077740
>a software that uses 4 threads will NOT benefit from hyperthreading
No proof, no source. Your word means nothing without source/tests, while I've run with and without and found performance increase.
>quote from spec
Yeah, blah blah some generic Turbo Boost info. Kernel reports +3200 MHz on all cores, thus proving you wrong. I made a webm as proof, and also posted timings, but apparently that isn't enough for you.
>and it gets hot faster and throttles
It doesn't "get hotter", because when idle, turbo boost isn't enabled and CPU clocks down. In my original post >>62074089 I mention thermald. This daemon will clock down the CPU if critical temperatures are reached. In the event such temperatures (and I've also tested this), it first disables turbo boost to stock frequency (2.7 GHz in my case), and only throttles from there. So it basically acts as a automatic on/off control for Turbo frequency scaling, meaning there's literally zero downside to having turbo boost enabled. You get the benefits of increased clock speed when needed, and in the case of sustained CPU usage, it gets you down to stock non-turbo frequency first before any throttling.

>>62077879
>when idle, turbo boost isn't enabled and CPU clocks down.
No proof, no source. Your word means nothing

>>62077879
>This daemon will clock down the CPU if critical temperatures are reached.
No proof, no source. Your word means nothing

>>62077879
>So it basically acts as a automatic on/off control for Turbo frequency scaling, meaning there's literally zero downside to having turbo boost enabled.
No proof, no source. Your word means nothing

see it's really easy to go full retard and tap out of an argument at my convenience and say "blah blah" when confronted with actual specs.

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>>62072934
please respond :3

Is x230 worth buying or everything after 220 was shit?

>>62078232
Read the fucking OP

>>62078119
do you even know how turboboost/c-states work?

>>62078232
You can make the x230 into a x220 (almost)

>>62072934
>different timing
Y tho
>>62078230
>Arch
kys

How do I into hardware flashing?

Budget: $400
uses: arch machine, cli shit, programming, watching stuff
prefer: SSD/8GB memory

What am I looking for boys?

>>62078230
Is this a picture for ants?

>>62078249
>do you even know how
solid argument.

turn off turbo boost and hyperthreading, run benchmark, see temps.
turn on turbo boost and hyperthreading , run benchmark, see temps.

it's really not that hard to notice a decrease in temperature.


>>62078262
W530

>>62076918

>Not really, I said "here are the benefits of a xx20" and you keep posting
Benefits which the xx30 line has too so they're not much benefit over the xx30
>>You're wrong, you should purposely cuck yourself by getting a xx30 and not getting those immediate benefits. You don't need them and you know it!!
Anon you're buying a xx20 not a core2duo thinkpad. You've already fucked yourself.
>immediate benefits
(You)
>over and over, that's not an argument. enjoy being an angry cuck using that Acer tier xx30 line, you're just confirming the OP meme.
>acer
>same build quality
Lmao@u

>>62078307
>W530
Good suggestion senpai, what's the keyboard like on these? Standard thinkpad or nu-pad?

>>62078255
Hardware flasher of your choice + soic clip + being good at reading and interpreting instructions

>>62078310
>Benefits which the xx30 line has too
no it doesn't, unless you spend time and money to turn it into a xx20 like a cuck.

>>62078327
Chicken but you can install the old one

>>62078327
nu-pad but the machine itself is worth it

>>62078343
>install the old one
How do I go about this? These are already 700 dollars in kangaroo land funbux, it's pretty expensive for an arch machine.

>>62078340
Yes it does and you don't have spend money for the shit people care about

>>62078353
buy a keyboard and palmrest from china (aliexpress has loads for like ~$50), install and flash the bios with thinkpad-ec.

>>62078353
You can buy a xx20 keyboard from ebay and then use this link
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec
Which let's you use all the keys on the old keyboard

>>62078354
>for the shit people care about
Again with this "I know what people need" cancer argument

>>62078366
>>62078365
What's the next level down? As long as it has an SSD and a reasonable screen the other specs are flexible. Preferably with the regular thinkpad keyboard, they're lit.

>>62078331
I heard I can use my X220 as a flasher, so do I just need one of these?
https://www.amazon.com/Signstek-SOIC8-Socket-Adpter-Programmer/dp/B00V9QNAC4

>>62078381
W520

>>62078381
x20 serie i guess. T, X series are often the cheaper options.

>>62078388
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-W520-i7-2720QM-2-20GHz-20GB-RAM-500GB-HDD-No-OS/132221141464?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20140106155344%26meid%3D1c6fba038b534ec6b31f36ddcabf02a0%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D322667013011&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

Is this a meme? It says it has 20GB of RAM

Just a heads up:
Trackpoint caps from banggood aren't that great, they're usable, but the rubber isn't as soft and it doesn't stick to the finger that well. The mold seems to be different compared to (what I assume is) original caps, so I guess they're knockoffs.

I don't know if this belongs here or on >>>/g/csg

>>62078420
Thanks fo the heads up m8

>>62068320
How do I do this?

>>62078370
Anon.
More than half of /g/ doesn't even know what Intel ME is
Half of the other half doesn't care
And the rest wouldn't touch anything newer than core2duo

As for WiFi card, only the most autismo gives two shits about getting dual band ac and they can just go out and buy a soic clip for nothing considering how much a 7260 ac costs
The other people who actually care about hackintosh are already buying xx20s

Lastly can you even tell me benefits of using 1866 mhz ram that is not igpu related since you clearly don't care about it. Also considering 1866 mhz ram costs 80 dollars for a 8 GB kit don't you think they can't spend 6 dollars for a soic clip?

Now drop this "" hurrr you can't tell people what they need" bs when not one other person has replied to me saying "well fuck you anon I need my wifi card swap" or "kys I need my 1866 mhz ram"

>>62078407
but it doesnt have a ssd
and yes, it has 4 ram slots

>>62078384
I thought you need a hardware flasher of some sort
Whether is a BBB or raspi or a good old USB flasher

>>62078470
kys anon i need my 1866 mhz ram

>>62078480
For that price I could just buy an SSD though, right? 20GB of RAM sounds pretty nice..

>>62078489
>I ran out of arguments so I'm just gonna say what you said
Fag.

>>62078486
Which pi do I get?

>>62078508
I don't know I haven't tried it myself but there should a lot of guides online

>>62078470
>More than half of /g/ doesn't even know what Intel ME is
>Half of the other half doesn't care
>and yet they would hardware flash a xx30 because I say so
lmao

come back when you have other arguments than this shit that you're running around in circles with since last week:
1)muh gpu
2)I know what everyone needs
3)muh Hardware flasher aka working like a cuck to turn in into a xx20

>>62078507
I'm not that guy you paranoid schizophrenic retard

>>62075573
Have you actually tried typing on the new keyboards?
I've been using ThinkPads for 9 years and have no problem whatsoever with the new keys.
The T450s is the best ThinkPad I've ever owned, period.

>>62078505
Sure, if that's what you want.

>>62078508
any Rpi will work, even the Rpi Zero.

>>62078505
also it says
>no power adapter
and doesn't mention the display, could be 1600x900

>>62078560
ask the seller

>>62078526
Nice paraphrasing asshat
Go back to school

You should hardware flash if you really give two shits about what any of those
Most people who appreciate the better mobile gpu much more than some meme ram and wifi card upgrade

>last week
Nigger I've been go for month I've been back for

>>62078534
Okay fine anon
Why do you need 1866 mhz ram? And why can't you buy a soic clip? Do tell.

Are x230 really that bad?

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>>62078579
>y do u want faster ram for anon

>>62078572
>You should hardware flash
No you shouldn't lol wtf are you on about. just get a xx20.

>Nigger I've been go for month I've been back for
learn2english Jamal

>>62078579
because I'm not a cuck.

>>62078579
>do you need 1866 mhz ram
This is hilarious really.
You're in love with the igpu but you don't care about ram frequency? Holy shit lmao

>>62078594
Barely faster ram.
You're not jumping from 1600 mhz to 2400 mhz fag
>>62078596
>lmao faster ram because it sounds cooler
I don't want a shit igpu that can't even properly utilize my shiny new fast ram faggot

>>62078613
>muh gpu

see

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>>62078613
>i concede that its faster, but y do u want it?

T470s > T420

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>>62078623
Post your speccy
I wanna see your upgraded wifi card 1866 mhz ram and ivy bridge cpu
>>62078628
>t. ULV i7 buyer

>>62078630
Read thread and see what this >>62078623 guy said to me but subtract all the good shit I said about the xx30
>Txxs
>ever

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I'm going to study compsci at uni, and need some advice. I currently have a pc(pic related) that is pretty capable. I'm going to keep it, but need a laptop. I was initially thinking of spending like 1000 for a dell inspiron, or dell xps. Then I thought maybe I can do gaming and heavy use on my desktop, and get a thinkpad for uni. Now I don't think I want something like a t420. I want something newer, yet with the same advantages that the t420 has over the modern overexpensive unreliable laptops. I like the modern look(the one after t430), and as I'm going to use it a lot, I don't think it's worth buying, for example, a t420 and have the cdrom and bulkiness as extra weight. Location is Netherlands, any recommendations?

>>62068255
W500 reporting in!

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>>62078708
X220 or X230.
>look
>>>/fa/
>cdrom and bulkiness
X220/X230 doesn't have that

>>62073157
Manfroto redbee 210, carries my camera and all my laptop junk, at a push I can get a w500 and a t420s in there

>>62078708
macbook