/pcbg/ - PC Building General

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6tBk6X

I fucked this up, I know, but where can I get a 2nd card similar to the one I have that will fit the mobo?

>>61721762
Go measure the dimensions yourself?

https://videocardz.com/71591/rumor-amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-to-be-great-for-mining

RIP Vega if you are a gamer

>>61722071

Sorry, I mean, where can I find a card that has similar performance that will work with the one that I have already?

>>61722100
Another 390 duh
Check ebay

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Help me pick a graphics card roughly equivalent to the other specs. But only if you want to.

My current one kinda sucks.

>>61722239

Note: I already have everything purchased and assembled. Just getting a new graphics card.

>>61722087
>70-100 mhs
That is fucking crazy. For reference the 580 does 28-30 at the moment. If that it true, the Vega will be gone within the hour once released.

So about the X399 mobos, what about the AIO coolers that are already out, will they get custom mounting brackets?

Should I get the NH-D15 or NH-C14 for this build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rWYbPs

>>61722254
>>61722239
RX 580 or 1070, 1070 if only 100 bucks more than RX 580.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/P2vNbj

This is my first build, just trying to get a low-mid level PC for gaming and everyday use. I'm okay with going over my current budget if it's necessary. I'll try and upgrade it later on with a new GPU when prices drop and an HDD, but for now will this perform decently? Should I stick with this 500W PSU if I'm planning to upgrade later?

>>61722310

Think that'll last me a good 3-4 years?

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>>61722311
>paying for windows

>>61722307
NH-D15 and you can afford a 144hz if you are splurging on all those hardware.
Also get a seperate headphone and mic. A clip on mic + AD700 is superior.

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So I posted a few threads ago with concerns about airflow in a Silverstone Sugo SG11B.

I got everything but my god damn AM4 bracket. I knew that thing would hold up my my build.

I have it all mocked up here. I replaced the 120mm Noctua fan on the NH-L12 with a slimmer one and flipped them upside down so they both blow up instead of down.

This look like it'll explode or not? It's an R5 1600 under there, if you don't recall.

I do know it looks like shit though, either way.

>>61722326
Depends. On Ultra/High? No.
If you are willing to lower the setting, easily.

>>61722341
Ok, thanks. What is the difference between the 2, why is the NH-C14 more expensive?

>>61722362
NH-D15 is horizontal and NH-C14 is vertical so if you need space in some small form factor you want to buy the NH-C14.

>>61722352

So with that build and a 1070 should I be able to run most current games on ultra/high?

What is the best 120gb SSD (2.5 inch)? Or should I scrap the HDD to bump it up into a 250gb because those are "more durable"? I'm looking for SSDs that have better longevity even though it has lower speeds. I heard that the HyperX Fury 120gb is slow but durable.

>>61722381
Ok, what 144hz would you reccomend? Because I haven't seen one that has as high a resolution with the same screen size.

>>61722399
PG27UQ

>>61721650
stop fucking with the OP you sperg

>>61722383
1440@60. 90%
1080@60. 100%
Even the 1080ti can't do 1440p@144 for some games.

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>>61721650
Alright, I need some help deciding which case to use. The system:

- AMD AM1 Quad-core Athlon 2 GHz with a big heatsink CPU/motherboard
- 16 GB DDR3 RAM
- 128 GB SSD
- Corsair RM 650x PSU (fanless at below 40% load)
- No GPU

The goal here is to have a computer that does not make any noise at all.

The choice of computer case for it stands between:

- Cooler Master N600, pretty big
- Some kind of cheap man-let Cooler Master case.

..which one to use?

>>61722454

What is this system for? That CPU isn't good for much but general purpose stuff.

I accidentally bought two different fan controllers at the same time (didnt think I'd win the eBay auction).

I now have a Lamptron FC2 and a NZXT Sentry Mix 2.

Which fan controller is better? It'll be running 4 Corsair AF120s and 2 Corsair AF140s.

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>>61722469
It used to be a 24/7 home server, believe it or not, due to the low 25W TDP and power usage of the CPU. The motherboard only has 3 PCIe slots and 2 SATA ports so it became somewhat limited.

I'll probably use it to watch movies and browse the Internet and listen to music and that kind of thing in the room where it will be placed. Noise is somewhat a concern, this one will be quiet.

I have a Ryzen 5 1600X with a RX470 if I want to play some heavy game or something. I also have all the parts so it's just a matter of deciding which case to put everything in. I do like the bigger N600 but I don't like that scratch on the top. The small one has the advantage of being smaller (still more than big enough for a mATX) but I don't know about that front. I think it's kind of ugly.

>>61722572
If noise is a concern buy cases with silent edition. They normally come with all those fancy sound dampener shit that surprisingly do their job.

>>61722426
So I should just wait for that to come out instead? Do you know how long until it comes out?

Mods are paid shills.
They deleted a post from a previous thread of me mentioning not to buy kraken AIO's as mine failed within 5 months.

>>61722594
Acer are releasing some brand new monitors Q1 2018. Their new X27 ones. The monitor leap is coming soon. They are pushing the 4k meme hard.

Should I look for static pressure optimized fans if they are going to be between hdd cages and a mesh filter? Are the blacksilentpros and vardars the best choices for quiet operation or are there better options? Since they'll be connected to a fan controller it doesn't matter if they are 3 or 4 pin.

>>61722586
The choice is between those two cases in question and sound dampening isn't an issue. I use Fractal Design R5 for my desktop because of the sound dampening, I know how that works. But this system will have a passively cooled CPU, PSU that's massively overpowered and fanless (at less than 40% and this will perhaps use 10% at full load) and a SSD. There's really nothing that will be in there to.. sound dampen. :) That's the beauty of it. It limits me to an older 128GB SSD instead of old SATA disks like a 320 GB and a 500 GB I don't use for anything.

>>61722601
>Mods are paid shills.
No shit sherlock. There's a limit to how much people are willing to hang on a image board without getting paid for it so all "volunteer" jobs get filled by people paid elsewhere. It's the same everywhere, why do you think there's so much propaganda on Wikipedia, for example?

>>61722349
That looks quite similar to my current build. Got a 1600 with the matx pro4 and some silver ram sticks. Running very well with the stock cooler and OC to 3.7ghz at stock voltage.

what would be the point of having 2 cpus? would it be the same as just having more cores?

>>61722384
bump for SSD recommendations

>>61722814
850 evo is like the minimum unless you are really on a budget

Anyone know a guide to building a PC but more specifically the motherboard and psu wiring? I tried to do it and it didnt work and I kept trying to about 7 hours and no dice, thing wont turn on.

>>61722902
Youtube has plenty of guides

>>61722814
>>61722384

Samsung. I base this on

https://www.mobilescout.com/samsung/news/n96159/Samsung-850-Pro-SSD-winner-endurance-test.html

and other tests. I guess it's not a completely safe bet for longevity since they vary from model to model.

I have two Samsung SSD 750 EVO 500GB's myself. This isn't the one tested and they could die during the next 5 minutes for all I know but as of now they work fine and I've never had any issues with them.

Also, avoid all the Crucial MX-series SSDs. They are consistently the first to die in all tests.

I can also wholeheartedly recommend the Kingston 120GB SSDNow V300. I don't think you can find one and it is old technology. I'm just mentioning it because it was the first SSD I bought back in 2013 and it still works and I've never had a problem with it.

Quick appraisal of my system ?

4790k
16gb ddr3 2666
512gb m2 SATA ssd
Evga 980ti SC
Evga 550w psu

>>61722950
0/10

>>61722950

7-800 bucks would be a fair price. I know you paid way more but PC hardware depreciates. People gotta realize this.

tell me about lian li cases friends

are they reputable? worth the premium? they have some interesting/unorthodox designs, but how practical are they?

>>61723036
Yes.
Depends.
Asthetics is their main selling point.

Hows my build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vJk8tJ
I have the parts but I am having trouble, but this is in fact my "build"

>>61723036
I paid way too much for a PC-08, but its high quality as fuck

>>61722087
The 56 is the better deal anyway. Since we know amd is sandbagging.

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Thoughts on this? I already have a PSU and plenty of storage from my current rig, and I'll make do with my current GPU until 580s go down in price.

Suggestions or any comments appreciated :)

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/636BD3/nanoxia-case-nxds6b
opinions on this case? ignore the price. it's bugged

>>61722915
is the 850 EVO M.2 better than the 2.5 in any other aspect besides having a different form factor?

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Are there any cons to upgrading to 1440p? Will there be scaling issues with games, text that is hard to read, any other weird problems that come up since its not the common 1080p resolution?

>>61723541
You won't be used to the size of the screen at the start but after awhile it will be like normal.

Can I use no-name UPS? Or are there brands that are worth checking out?

>>61723644
that's it? what about all the other problems listed in the post?

>Will there be scaling issues with games, text that is hard to read, any other weird problems that come up since its not the common 1080p resolution?

>>61723734
>Will there be scaling issues with games
None.

>text that is hard to read
You know the text is still the same size right? Just that you got more monitor space now. Unless you sit further back then it might be an issue.

>any other weird problems that come up since its not the common 1080p resolution?
Nope

this is probably a really dumb question but is it worth investing in an i7 over an i5 i'm only interested in modern pc gaming not any other weird shit

>>61723780
Depends on what resolution you're gaming on.

If it's like 1080p an i5 will be just fine.

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>>61723780
are you going to use a high refresh rate monitor? Either way stay away from an i5. Look into a 1600 if you have a standard 60hz panel.

>>61723443
I don't understand why people can't do 2 simple things, post a budget & say what you're using it for.
That being said, you need 16gb of RAM in 2017. It was a meme a few years ago, but it isn't know. 8gb isn't gonna cut it.
You have a SEEMINGLY low budget build, so do you really need a 100$ Tempered Glass case?

>>61723807
>do you really need a 100$ Tempered Glass case
B-but muh autismthetics

Hows it look ?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zLYw4C

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nNs73F

Aside from finding a cheaper case (Recommendations?) and waiting for the GPU price spike to end can you guys find any efficient/worthwhile way to save costs here?

I was trying to fit everything I wanted for a gaming rig while still getting a 1440p monitor to make the 1080 worth it but that's becoming difficult it seems. I still need to fit an OS at some point too.

>>61723947
Why a full sized board?
The 7700k is on a mature platform, you can get away with buying mATX for LGA1151 sockets.

>>61723947
Get rid of the SATA SSD and get an M.2 SSD.

>>61723962
Must you get a full sized case?
Why not a mATX board?

>>61723982
There's literally no difference between the two, except for cables. Why are suggesting an M.2 SSD?

Hows my build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vJk8tJ

>>61723987
I don't have any particular attachments to case size as long as it isn't ass to look at and has enough room/ventilation to function

That said am I really going to be saving that much by downgrading the case size

>>61724025
Check out these cases, they are always recommended here
P400s
S340
200R

>>61724023
>FE
No

>>61723962
I can tell you some stuff right off the bat, the Phantom 530 is a meme case, you can get a better case for cheaper. An R5 would be a good choice.
If this is a pure gaming build, then you don't need a 1700. A 1600 will do you fine.
Do you need an X370 Motherboard? There's no considerable difference, you can still OC with a B350.
You don't need 3200mhz RAM. 3000 will do you fine.
If you'd like more info, I'll need a budget.
Also, do you need to buy an OS?

>>61723993
Several thousand more OP's.

Cleaner build as well.

>>61724023
It's shit, start over.

>>61723977
There was a deal on amazon with that board so I added it
>>61723982
Also interest in this >>61723993
I thought they were the same

>>61724067
Where do I begin?

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Looking to build a gaming PC using airflow cooling. Any cases that promote good airflow that I should take a look at? Been sperging out all day and really none have came up.

The Cooler Master H500p Looks real good, but has yet to be released and hasn't been tested/reviewed yet. Also looking at FT05 by Silverstone. Throw more options my way.

>>61724074
Oh nevermind

>>61724023
Why do so many people want to pay for windows? Why waste $100?

>>61724074
When I mean M.2 I mean M.2 in PCIe mode, not in SATA mode.

Granted it wouldn't be much of an improvement either way with an 850 EVO, but cleaner build, and he wouldn't need to run separate power/data for the SSD.

>>61723947
Better value power supply: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7Dx9TW/corsair-power-supply-cp9020093na

>>61724097
Test bench and buy big ass fans pointed at it

>>61724083
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FDXFD8

>>61724110
Thanks, I might pick one up. I didnt know about these.
>>61724134
Also thanks isnt this a bit too much though ?

>>61724054
My budget is basically $2000 but I'm including the monitor and OS in that. And obviously if I can go lower I'd prefer to but not if I'm making substantial sacrifices that will have me looking to upgrade shit within a year.

For the motherboard I was basically just following recommendations from people the last time I asked here

Is this the case you're referencing?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DhM323/fractal-design-case-fdcadefr5ti


As for the processor I was originally going to go with the 7700k but people told me 4 cores were a meme and that I should go with the 1700. I'm not beholden to AMD or anything if it's better to go with intel or some shit.

Is there any RAM in particular you recommend

>>61724083
What's with you fucking idiots thinking that the people with brains in this thread are telepaths. What are you using your computer for? Do you value longevity, and to what extent? Do you care about aesthetics? Do you care about noise? What country do you live in? It says right there in the OP that you need to give us information, so give us information, fucking mouthbreather.

>>61723807
everything else seemed to be around that, I figured hey, it's just $20 more for a case that looks way better than the rest

I'd like to spend less than $700 total (when I factor in the 580) but I was really just wondering if people had something negative to say like the BIOS is whack or the memory catches fire. Stuff that isn't listed in the specs.

>>61724182
Well for only $15 more you might as well

>>61724184
You REALLY don't need to buy an OS. It's a free 100$ if you just pirate it.
B350 is fine, if you're set on MSI's Pro Carbon series they have a B350 equivalent.
Yes, that's the case. Even if you go with an R5 that's the same price as the Phantom, you'll still be getting a considerable upgrade. Fractal Design just makes good cases.
It's true that games are starting to use more Cores / Threads, so I wouldn't recommend a 7700k. But a 1600 would be fine. But if you're set on a 1700, that's fine too.
Corsair Vengeance LPX or G.Skill Ripjaws V, you had the right amount of RAM, 16gb was dead on the money, but you don't need that high speed RAM.

>>61724194
If you're set on the case, everything is fine except for the RAM. It was a meme a few years ago, but 16gb really is needed. You'll thank me later.

>>61724230
This. Don't buy windows legit either. If you really want to have a legal windows copy, sites like allkeysite and kinguin offer legit OEM keys for like 10-20 bucks.

>>61724230
If I pirate it how do I install it? Would I need to burn a disk and get a key from somewhere or does it just go onto a external HD or something

>>61724254
That or get a friend who knows someone who works at Microsoft.

Got my license for like $30. 100% legit and no fears of issues.

>>61724262
Install W10 like any regular copy.
You will get an unactivated version of it.
Then you run the program that makes it "activated".

>>61724262
Burn it to a Disc, or use a program like Rufus to make a USB drive bootable, and boot from the USB Drive or the Disc. Follow the installation process. That's all, really.

>>61724230
>>61724262
you don't even need to pirate it

>>61724281
W10 comes with a .exe now that turns your USB instantly into a bootable USB with the W10 installation on it.

>>61724245
I'll take your word for it, but just curious why? I've been getting by with 8gb for non-gaming stuff and rarely go over 50% usage (PC was basically on 24/7 with qbittorrent running with 3000 torrents and ~15 tabs in chrome at a time, maybe foobar running). Haven't really been playing games because my FX-8320 was the bottleneck, but even before it that I never noticed more than 5gb of memory being used.

What is the 16gb for?

>>61724230
Any 1440 monitor reccomendations? Doesn't need to be fuck huge dimensions wise but something with a low delay is a must for me

>>61724284
https://www.windowscentral.com/you-do-not-need-activate-windows-10

>>61724182
And if you're planning to OC its better to have an 850 watt psu.

>>61724295
I don't know what you're talking about. I'm talking about burning an ISO to a USB Drive using Rufus.

>>61724303
Several newer games are pulling 4-6GB on just their own, that's not counting OS usage and all the other miscellaneous things I run in the background like web browsers, programs, etc.
If you multitask at all, 8gb is not a good decision.

>>61724315
Refresh Rate?

>>61724315
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwgPxr/dell-s2417dg-238-165hz-monitor-s2417dg

>>61724303
Modern games especially games on 1440p eat a shit ton of RAM.

R7-1700, 1080ti user here.
RoTR on max setting crashes due to low memory if I have chrome open in the background.

>>61724341
https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/software-download/windows10

You can download a tool that lets you make your USB an installation media without having to use Rufus.

>>61724315
Definitely make 144hz a priority. It's 100% not a meme. It's spoiled me to the point where I can't even tell when I'm looking at 30fps or 60fps because they all look the same. It's pricey but the best thing about the monitor is that even in 5 years when you need to upgrade your PC, the monitor will still be just as beautiful (provided you don't get some korean shit with 50% dead pixels within a year)

>>61724361
Oh, that's neat.

>Tfw watch Threadripper review
I want to build a system using it now

>>61724341
>>61724349
I guess I'll swap out the memory for this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qjM323/gskill-trident-z-rgb-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr3-3000-memory-f4-3000c16d-16gtzr

Although one question: can I dim/turn them off? I don't hate LEDs but the light can get overbearing to my poor, sensitive pussy eyes

>>61724431
I'm sure you can turn them off, but if you're concerned you can get the same specs but Vengeance LPX for 3 dollars more.

>>61724431
>Tempered glass case
>Don't want LED

>>61724468
The motherboard is already LED. I think a faint glow would look good but I don't need a light show

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800 bucks build?

>>61724477
You can turn them off

>>61724516
An 800$ prebuilt, you lazy motherfucker.

Why do PCs consume so much electricity in idle?
You get like 130W in idle and then 300W on full load, which is so retarded because the difference in the used power isn't that large but the load difference is extreme.
For instance, why do GPUs just down clock themselves, why don't they just straight up develop a mechanism that turns off 90% of the GPU chip in idle?

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Rate my setup? Just looking for overall improvements or opinions on my current prospective build?

>>61724516
There you go nigger
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vBt4LD

>>61724602
Probably should have clarified.
Under 3k budget and its for high end gaming

>>61724602
>Picture of a Computer Screen
>X299
>40 Dollar Case
>1080 Ti

shit meme

>>61724602
>Taking a photo of the screen
Oh shit nigger what are you doing?

>>61724624
Whats wrong with X299

>>61724624
Whats wrong with a 1080ti

>>61724656
>EVGA GPU
You tell me

>>61724656
Nothing, objectively. It's pairing a premium GPU with a shit case.

>>61724602
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6RXFD8

>>61724618
>that cpu/gpu combo for $800
>nex psu

>>61724667
>>61724664
And this. EVGA makes shit cards.

>>61724667
I just dont give many fucks about the case

>>61724675
>>61724516

>>61724642
It's extremely overpriced compared to what you get atm. Get Ryzen or wait for Coffee Lake

Also get a bigger heatsink for that class ofCPUs

Don't use WD Red for internal storage unless it's ONLY for videos//pictures/music

Get a decent case

>>61724602
send the fucking url next time, jesus dude
Get a 1600 instead of intel, the 1080ti will still be your bottleneck for gayming
do you really need 3.5tb? 2tb is enough for most people
just out of curiosity, what monitor are you running this setup with? if it's 1080p or 1440p60hz, you're wasting your money on a 1080ti, the the vega64 will probably be fine, or a 1080.

>>61724680
Honestly i didnt know this. Ill look into it

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1080 is a placeholder until picrelated is released

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xN4GZ8

>>61724695
>>61724686
Get a good case you technologically inept retard. It's not just about looks, you need good airflow, you need a proper amount of expansion slots, you need a proper front IO, you need good craftsmanship.

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>>61721650
What are the real differences between a 960 pro and an 850 evo?
Also, peep my build, looking for as much meme shit as possible
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/GrB4LD

>>61724720
If you have a nuclear power plant ready to power it sure

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>>61724680
>EVGA makes shit cards

>>61724720
If you're confident enough to put a full sized gpu in a mini ITX case, you shouldn't be asking for opinions here. Go ATX and save yourself the headache my friend.

>>61724516
R3 + 1050TI, 120GB SSD + 8GB RAM

>>61724741

The real world difference between those in all but some very specific workloads is non existant. With the plus side that you get alot more storage for your money with the 850.

Unless you spend all day dragging around large files on your computer, go with the 850

>>61724785
Thanks lad.
Anyone got anything on the build? Never worked with water before, but cpu aircooling is hideous and I want the build to be impressive looking. May even buy a waterblock for the strix later down the track.

>>61724805
Please go Aircooling. Watercooling is a meme. At the start you'll get good temps, but they'll slowly go up. If you want a sexy Aircooler go with a Dark Rock 3 or something. You will legitimately thank me.

>>61724746
if this guy can get away with a 290 on a 450w i can get away with vega on an sf450. According to johnnyguru's review it's actually closer to platinum efficiency so it should be relatively fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCjYKDXmnAs
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=483

>>61724760

nah, think i'm over atx. Don't have any need for extra pcie slots and the sg13b looks to have manageable temps even with hawaii cards.

>>61724821
I'm not saying he couldn't get away with it, but there are more powerful, much more efficient cards on the market right now which he could also consider

>>61724597
Just wait then for far more efficient stuff e.g. when they reach like the 3nm process.

>>61724805
I don't know whether the h100i v2 is expandable etc, but 240mm of rad is not going to be enough to dissipate the heat from both a 1600 and a 1080 ti

Also, as the other guy said, AIOs are shit. They are expensive, have worse noise than air coolers and generally don't cool better than air coolers

>>61721650
are wqhd monitors a meme? I'm thinking about getting one for my new pc with the ryzen 1600 and the 1050ti. Currently owning a 21 inch fhd monitor but i'd like a bigger one.

>>61724602
This is a troll right?

>>61724821
>Vega
>SF450
I too like to live dangerously

>>61724846
meh, not in a hurry for buy anything yet. Need a display as well and those freesync panels are pretty tempting.

>>61724097
Corsair 400c/460/570

Building an R5 1600/1060 setup currently. Yet to pull the trigger on the 1060. What's the dealio with the shorty cards? Obv. the full size cards can have two fans so I imagine temps are a bit better. Is it worth spending the extra £20 for full size? Pinching all the pennies I can.

>>61723780
Get a Ryzen

>>61725031
Shorty cards are for smaller cases and people who want form factor memes.

>>61725061

So if it's going in a windowless case never to be seen then a shorty is all good?

>>61725088
If you need to fit your GPU into a small space, the shorty is good

Using my 4 year old unused h80i in a new build. Good idea or bad?

>>61724805
AIOs are really only good for looks. They're hell of a lot more expensive (~50% where I live) and don't give enough results to justify the price compared to premium air cooler. I agree that those big ass towers look hideous but you'll soon forget about it. It's a bit like RGB in everything, at first you think it is cool but some time later you'll turn them off because they're an eye sore.

>>61725196
Yeah, I just want to have some meme shit to impress/disappoint my family with desu. I'd have most of it off most of the time.

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>>61724805
Drop the cooler and spend the extra money on the Ryzen 1700
More cores and the boxed CPU cooler looks really nice

>>61724741
Get rid of that firecracker PSU

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any changes?

>>61725302
I'll have to have a look at its specs and performance, but ill take it into consideration thanks lad
>>61725316
What would you alternatively recommend? Definitely needs to be fully modular.
>>61725322
Get Ryzen. and a 1080ti is overkill for that piece of shit monitor

>>61725322
might swap the i7 7700k for a ryzen 7 1700

i've heard the stock cooler on ryzen is good enough on its own?

>>61721650
Finally upgrading from my pos PC pretty soon.

If I were to choose an Intel i5 7400k as my CPU of choice, which would compliment it better: An Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4gb or Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 2gb? Keep in mind that there is a $150 price difference.

I did some researching of my own and found that most games I'd like to play (CK2/Xenoverse/Stellaris/Total War) would run just fine with a 1050 Ti.

>>61725337
planning on getting a better monitor down the line- I'm already pretty much spending my entire disposable income on this for the forseeable future

>>61725356
If you're a poorfag, save your bank account and get a 1070/ryzen 1600, and don't upgrade your monitor. 1080p is perfectly acceptable, and a 1070 will hit most modern stuff at ¬144hz with that resolution. I assume you're young, so save your money man.

>>61725322
Upgrade to a more reputable PSU brand. Seasonic anything, EVGA G3, or a higher tier Corsair

Don't get kaby lake in current year

The Noctua cooler comes with thermal paste so no need to buy separately (I'm 99% sure but do verify that)

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>>61725409
this a better PSU pick?

>>61725446
Actually get something better. EVGA G3 or Seasonic Prime gold series. Your system is high-end, so get a high-end PSU. Not saying you need titanium, but a very good gold-rated PSU should be the minimum. You never skimp on the PSU

>>61724867
The additional screen space is good for productivity, for gaming you will need a better graphics card than a 1050ti though.

>>61725337
>What would you alternatively recommend? Definitely needs to be fully modular.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WrNypg/seasonic-focus-plus-gold-650w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-650fx
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y88H99/evga-supernova-g3-650w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g3-0650
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qZKhP6/seasonic-prime-gold-650w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-650gd

I'll like a WiFi network card that supports 5GHz but that doesnt cost me a kidnney. Muy connection speed is around 120-150mbps. Any suggestions?

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>tfw bought 1080 Ti and play on 1080p monitor

[spoiler]I'll be getting 1440p monitor next month[/spoiler]

>>61725808
None of those have listed prices in ausfagland. I found this instead, should be ok since it's seasonic right?
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/LZpNbj

>>61725823
>tfw have a 1080 monitor and a 1060
it's all I need desu

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Hello /g/

hows my build looking

mixed usage, gaming, workstation

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>>61725823
>mfw accidentally a 1080 ti two days ago so I had to order POG279Q this morning

Ok so I'm planning to get PWN fans for my main rig so I can OC as much as I want and still have it silent in idle. Any recommendations?

Planning to get this for my CPU heatsink http://noctua.at/en/nf-b9-redux-1600-pwm/specification
And 1-3 of these for case fans Cryorig QF120 Performance PWM
Thoughts?

>>61726032
Good, but PSU is ~150w oversized.
I'd get a 500GB sata SSD unless you have a very specific use for that NVME, games take up a lot of space, my 500GB is barely enough when I keep only games/programs on it and uninstall anything I dont use.

I need a Wireless card for my desktop. It needs to be compatible with 802.11a/c
And it needs to be like a 50mbps, the modem is about 10 - 15m away

>>61726093
wifi sucks, it's always worth routing a cable

How/Where do I get cheap Amazon gift cards or discount codes?

>>61726198
my butthole

>>61726204
neat.
but seriously am poorfag but so close to 1700+gaming5.

>>61726218
how far

>>61726218
:3

Hello anons, I have 2k EUR budget for my pc but due to the capital controls in Greece I can't order anything more than 500EUR (shipping included) from the cheap european tech sites and the parts for the pc I want to build costs almost 50% more than the US and 30% than the rest of EU so I'm about to pull the trigger on:

Apple iMac 21.5" with Retina 4K 3Ghz (i5/8GB/1TB) (2017)
Sony Playstation 4 (PS4) Slim 1TB

Total price (shipping included): 1785,00 EUR

Keep in mind that I have a full time job and outdoor activities so I don't have much free time to burn on for long period neither on pc nor on console

>>61726226
Not far, I'm not after charity - I was just hoping there was known discount code or something for % off.
I know I can get $10 by buying a $100 gift card (which can also go towards the purchase, so it's once-off turn $100 into $110 deal)

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hey boys
Is it worth it to SLI some older gpus in order to achieve similar performance to a modern one?
I'm in love with this bad boy right here

>>61726319
1. Buy from Amazon US
2. Buy in multiple orders, never exceeding your limit

Australia here, I can't exceed AUD$1000 (inc the shipping) or it it imposes duty and GST.

>>61726373
NO.
SLI and crossfire were scams to get people to buy more GPUs.
I could explain why but the short answer is it increased the fps without actually improving performance.
Imagine if you got 100fps- but you get all 100 frames on the first millisecond and have to wait the other 999/1000ths of a second for the next frame. That's SLI and crossfire, more or less.

>>61726423
oh
so it sucks then
well, too bad
thanks anon
I'll look more into it

>>61725705
From what I've seen games like diablo3 run fine on that resolution with a 1050ti. I suspect that it might be an insane upgrade from my 7-8 year old monitor.

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>>61726181
How? Red is modem
Blue is the desktop
The circle is the front door

>>61726450
So the modem can actually go through the both rooms (the one above and the one below) cause its sitting on one if those serving benches the big opening from kitchen to dining room

i5 6500 + Gigabyte 1050 + Gigabyte Z170 SLI + 250GB m.2 SSD + 1TB 64mb cache 7200rpm HDD + Cooler Master CPU heatsink/fan cooler + 650W EVGA Gold Certified PSU + 16GB UDIMM Crucial RAM + a/b/g/n/ac wifi card + 2 20" Dell Monitors + Apple Keyboard + Apple Mouse + Apple-like ATX case

(Hackintosh build) - $800

>>61726335
I can send you $10

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>>61726503
>hackintosh

>>61726532

It's for an attorney, not me. She likes using MacOS.

>>61726450
Notch in door frame, then routed above doors and on roof

>>61726450
Just tape the cable to the ceiling and route it. Biggest obstacle is the door but you can carve a tiny piece off on the top where no one sees it to fit the cable and be able to close the door.

>>61726503
>i5 6500
>Apple Keyboard + Apple Mouse

These are shit

>>61726450
run it through ceiling

>>61726503
>gpu in a workstation
>6th gen intel in current year
>20 inch monitors
>650W psu for at most 300 tdp
are you fucking retarded?

>>61726450
Explain the house situatuion?

Can you put a cable across the floor if it's safely routed under a floor cable duct like this:
https://www.staples.com/D-Line-Light-Duty-Floor-Cable-Cover-Cord-Concealer-72-Black-CC-1/product_DLNCC1

>>61725836
Yes

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>>61726602
ie. would something like this be OK?

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>>61726602
Someone would trip over it. It has to run through the centre, like from the left to the right (the room on the left to the room on the right closest to me pic related. The black thing was what I thought of doing.

What if I buy an extender with an Ethernet port? Is that better than a card?

>>61726547
>>61726573
Like so if people look up, they'd see it running through? The roof is about 4meters high

>>61726556
Renting :/

>>61726720
See my photo here: >>61726712
I had to run it up stairs and the landing without being a trip hazard - I fully understand the qualms with a random cable strewn about - but it can be done neatly.

>>61726720
>Renting :/
Buy a compatible door, cut corner off, store the original one in the cellar / attic.

>>61726720
>>61726730
I just re-read you post - I'm also renting.
Also - that light switch, you're Australia too. (I'd recognise a HPM light switch anywhere m88 - Clipsal > HPM any day though.)

>>61726730
Everyone would see it as soon as they walk in. Someone would eventually trip over it cause everyone that walks into the house will have to step over it.

>>61726737
Are cellars/attics/basements really that popular in the us?

>>61726720
>That house
where in QLD m8?

>>61726752
Tell them man up then - if it's alright for OHS (and it is) it's alright for the home.

>>61726752
> Are cellars/attics/basements really that popular in the us?
Depends on the region. If houses have neither, they often have sheds and oversized garages.

I have a ASUS P5QL PRO motherboard free from a friend.

I ain't a tech guy but can I make a good gaming rig from it for current gen games?

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>>61726720
The door looks like you could fit the cable under it.

>>61726752
If it has to be on the floor then tape it and throw a rug over it.

>>61726793
>If houses have neither, they often have sheds and oversized garages.
The Australian solution.

A mans shed is his castle.

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>>61726749
All the light switches in this house suck. I had to get all the taps fixed as well and the cable doesn't even work. The Ariel is a gigantic pole sitting lop-sided on the house and I'm paying $550 for this. There are also 4 fireplaces and they blocked them all up so now I'm paying like 10x the amount I'd pay for wood. And its still cold.

>>61726720
for me personally, i put my modem on a high shelf and ran the LAN cord up through a tiny hole inthe ceiling and through the roof to above my room, where I ran it down to my computer. I put some white plastic PVC cover shit over it so it's not an eyesore, plus it runs next the cord for my tv cable anyway. Works a treat, and nothing will happen to it in the roof.

>>61726818
Rentals aren't going to allow fires mate, people are way too irresponsible.

Check all your windows and doorways, then goto burnings and buy the appropriate raven seals to get them sealed up (if you're renting for 12 months or more, this is worth it for bill savings alone - you're gonna spend like $100-$150 though - if less than 12 months grin and bear it)
Then get a portable reverse cycle air con, boom sorted.

Unless you're in SA - then forget the seals and get a Rinnai gas heater and get a plumber/gasfitter mate to change the jets for LPG., you'll need to keep the place slightly aerated in that case to prevent carbon monoxide poisoning.

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>>61726824
Yeah I can fit my toe under my door lmao

>>61726904
Woops wrong person. Was meant to reply to
>>61726800

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>>61726880
The ceiling is so high its like so hard to heat up the house. Also when I lay on the floorboards I can feel cold air breezing through the cracks. I can Also put my toe through the front door like on this pic >>61726904

I bought an electric blanket though so I think I will survive. Idk how the last tenants were able to love like this. Especially with leaky taps

>>61726904
your cat could totally fit through that...

>>61726794
Anyone?

>>61726794
What socket is it?

>>61726794
Look on AliExpress for QX9650 Xeon
There are lots of pre-modified LGA771 Xeons Quadcore xeons that will work in that board for less than USD$30.
OC to 3.6ghz and you've got a reasonable machine that should still play and or do most anything.

Is there such thing as sata power extension cord? I have Fractal Define S and there is next to no space between hard drives and case, so i literally disassembled one sata power connector from psu trying to with fit it. I need something flatter.

>>61727319
Yep. Try "sata power cable" on aliexpress.

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>>61721650
Should I upgrade to a 7700k?
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/4509595
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/21394230?

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>>61727350
So, i searched and found only picrelated. There was bunch of molex to sata or sata to 6pin, but i don't need them. Is it safe to split sata in 2 for normal 3.5" hard drives?

>>61721762
>skylake i5
>2017
why?

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>>61726712
What are these clips called

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>>61726204
>>61726226
>>61726228
>>61726531
I gon an dun it now.
Well Intel, it's been a reasonable 12 years, I'm going home now.

>>61727625
Removable Hooks?
These are literally the ones I purchased: https://www.bunnings.com.au/permastik-small-cable-clips-12-pack_p3950110

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Buying a Ryzen 1600 soon
It'll come with a cooler, but I plan to overclock and apparently the Wraith Spire doesn't hold up well under heavy OC
Everyone seems to rave about the EVO, are there any other good AM4-compatible options in the $25-$30 range?

Stupid question, but how "future proof" would Threadripper be? I would mainly use it to game and stream, though I would also be running a VM or two every now and then. I thought the NDA lifted yesterday so we'd be seeing more benchmarks but I haven't seen anything yet, and I would like to get started on a new machine.

Right now I'm running an i5 4670k and a GTX970. Not bad GPU wise but I'm hitting many CPU bottlenecks while multitasking. I'm giving my old system to my friend whose graphics card fried and he doesn't have the money to replace it, so I might as well do a full new build, and if I'm doing a completely new build I don't want to be in upgrade hell.

I'm guessing the answer will be wait for benchmarks, but I might as well ask.

>>61727689
Oy vey! 5 dollars.
You have nice carpet btw. Iswear to god no one ever had good carpet

cucstom loop coling? it seems expensice (just looking at the gpu block its $150) and i feel so much could go wrong, especially if its transported.

>>61727778
Has*

>>61727495
If you're not using the second plug, then a SATA splitter is just a really short extension cable

Anyhow, here's what you're looking for
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812400144

>>61727735
Mugen 5 if they offer Rev.B or can send you the AM4 bracket where you live.

Seems like Rev.B is around $40 now where I live. YMMV if that's close enough.

>>61727739
No such thing as "future proof". There is always something better around the corner. Threadripper would be a waste on you. Hell it's a waste on me, and I do a lot of encoding. Get yourself an r5-1600. 6c/12t. It's stock cooler can allow for a mild OC.

Save the money you were going to spend on Threadripper, and get a better video card. R5-1600/1080ti combo would be vastly superior to a Threadripper/970 combo. If money isn't an issue, get an R7 Ryzen chip. I have the 1700X. I can encode 1080p Blu-ray rips, while playing COD zombies with friends, while using the GPU (980ti and Nvidia shadowplay) to either stream live, or do h.264 based GPU encoding on the fly. All without frame drops or stutters and the CPU never sees past 65C on a single tower single fan cooler.

>>61727739
"futureproof" is a fantasy with 7nm due in less than 2 years
if you can't wait for Zen2, get a 1700 to tide you over

>>61727735
Get a Noctua D15.
It's more money sure, but it's not only worth it for the cooling - but for the 7 years or warranty and upgrades.

I got my D14 ~6 years ago when running my Q9550 system.
They gave me a free socket adapter for LGA2011 when I upgraded to my 4820K, I've now just applied for my free AM4 kit to keep using the same heatsink some 6 years later.
Neither adapter cost anything.

If you can deal with poo brown fans, they're the best around.

>>61727783
Why and what components are you looking to cool? For what primary reason? And why is transport even a concern?

>>61727896
Looks nice and beefy, but don't wanna spend more than $30-ish

>>61727739
>Stupid question, but how "future proof" would Threadripper be? I would mainly use it to game and stream
I used my old i7 920 for almost 10 years to play games, only replaced the GPU halfway.

Console hardware progressed at a sad rate during that time and many people bought equally good PCs only years later, so the vast majority of games worked perfectly fine.

... who knows if that works again if you buy a high-end threadripper. OTOH it's probably not economical vs building a midrange machine and upgrading all key components in some years if moore's conjecture still continues a bit for some components.

>>61727944
>Noctua
Ignore this guy and just get the EVO, it'll be plenty good for a Ryzen 5

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>>61727735
Pic related
>>61727944
>spend $200 on CPU
>somehow $110 on a cooler is a good investment

No. I see what you're saying and the D15 is indeed a good cooler, but that's a terrible investment. Not to mention that even overclocked, the 1600 will be under 100w.

>>61727974
I'm not implying it wouldn't be - I'm only suggesting Noctua because of the great service.
Scythe don't offer any service here (it's all the wholesalers dropped Scythe downunder, even their warranty service was arse)

In any case, I wholeheartedly love my D14 and would recommend dual-tower Noctuas to anyone.

>>61727954
The fan also is actually quite nice. But I guess you stay with the CM then.

If I have 2 sticks of ram in a z170 board in dual channel right now what happens if I add an additional 2 sticks?

>>61728044
then you have 4 sticks

>>61728066
Yeah but memory bandwidth would go down as a result of not being in dual channel?

>>61727999
>No. I see what you're saying and the D15 is indeed a good cooler, but that's a terrible investment. Not to mention that even overclocked, the 1600 will be under 100w.
So it's you're ripe for passive cooling...

That's pretty much the reason I always buy the biggest air-cooler at the time of purchase - more surface area means less forced airflow required.

I do get the budget sentiment though.

>>61728077
It will still be in dual channel unless all the sticks are mismatched or you had an uneven amount of sticks.

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>>61727495
Don't buy this sort of SATA cable, those molded plastic connectors are prone to spontaneously catching fire and shorting out. Splitters in general are perfectly fine to use, but buy the kind with SATA power connectors that look like pic related instead. These have individual metal contacts crimped on the power wires and the contacts themselves are each separated by a plastic wall inside the plug, so they're much safer. The molded kind may have small, unnoticeable internal manufacturing flaws which could lead to a short and literal fire, not to mention obvious hardware damage.

>>61728094
Not the anon you're responding to, but I've had people tell me the exact opposite. That the molex to say adapters are the worst and known for combusting.

I still use the molex ones though. Been in my server for years now.

>>61726712
Yes, but route it near the ceiling so you don't have to put tape over your carpet like a pollack.

>>61728155
It's not tape, it's an OHS approved cable duct.

>>61727495
There are longer ones like:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/20cm/32742086260.html

It doesn't matter if you don't use the other port on a splitter cable, no.

>>61728206
Still looks awful.

>>61728151
The molded SATA connectors are the problem it seems. Molex is safe and fine, the contacts are physically separated by plastic, it cannot randomly short. The molded plastic SATA connectors however have no internal separation and if the contacts end up touching (or just arcing) inside it will short, then melt/catch fire.

Watch this video and related ones from the same guy if you're curious about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TataDaUNEFc

>>61728254
I could have gotten black to blend better, but safety first.

>>61728151
Also as far as I'm concerned, the other connectors like AMP and Molex are riskier.

But really, it's like 12V and the PSU should will cut power if you short it. So that fire hazard is, you know, very low.

>>61728151
Bad soldering leading to shorts is what causes fires. With the plastic casing you can actually inspect the ends and determine if they are save to use while you can't for those with inside the molded plastic.

Just cause you use the clear one over the molded one doesn't mean it won't catch fire. Visually inspect the soldering and insulation to make sure it is safe before using them.

WHICH RAM IS BETTER FOR RYZEN?

https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Technology-HyperX-HX432C16PB3K2-16/dp/B01GCWQ8VO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1501857188&sr=1-1&keywords=HX432C16PB3K2%2F16

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3000MHz-Systems-CMK16GX4M2B3000C15B/dp/B014JESKRW

>>61728374
the first one

Would Noctua be more popular if their fans weren't butt ugly in colour?

>>61727949
cpu and gpu, maybe a ram bloxk (3000mhz). its a 1800x and a 580 (most likely going to upgrade when that vega with the super high vram is out). its incredibly loud when rendering and simulating, and i worry about component wear out. transport is around the office every now and again, to different stations.

>>61728402
noctua has superb, relatively cheap cooling, but be quiet have similar performance and better looking components.

>>61728402
No.The problem is mostly the price.

But within the group of people that is willing to pay this price (and the subgroup that still doesn't want water cooling including AIO with LED effect things), Noctua was always popular.

>>61726450
How about powerline adapters?

Is there a reason why B350 motherboards seem to support DDR4 3200 RAM but not 3000? If I get one that doesn't explicitly list 3000 will I be fucking myself?

>>61728496
They work when they work. Which isn't always - if your installation is too new or too old, it may just be bad or unworkable (worse than WLAN) with powerline.

Not really a match for a nice Cat.6 / Cat.7 or even fiber in general, either.

>>61728374
The one that is on your QVL

>>61728540
Shouldn't be a problem, should work.

Apart from that the situation where you need maximum RAM speed probably doesn't exist on your end anyhow.

>>61728540
It's about the chipset.
They usuakly downclock 3000 to 2933 and 2800 to 2667 with stock settings. You can probably set them howerver you want if you mess with the timings and such (which is not really recommended) but there's not much of a gap either way.

>>61728540
3000 is usually listed as 2933 for whatever reason

>>61728555
My house is going have Cat7+ everywhere.
Is Australia Cat+ is certified for Foxtel cable and satellite - seriously a Cat series cable is certified to replace an RG6 quad shield coax in an RF application.

>>61728418
Ram blocks are worthless. Don't bother. I would say the same about the 1800X. Even overclocked you're not breaking the. 140w barrier. What cooler do you have on it? What type of case is it in?

The only thing worth liquid cooling would be the Vega card, but only because it supposedly going to be a 340w housefire. A housefire that is out performed by a non TI gtx 1080 within the same price range. Is there a specific reason you're looking at Vega?

As someone who has spent $1200+ over time doing custom loop, it's just not worth it. Expensive, a lot of setup time, part swapping is always a hassle if something breaks, and you introduce many many more points if failure than just a fan dying or dust collecting in your case

Any recommendations between these two boards? Process is probably going to be a Ryzen 1600 and card is a 1080

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2pnG3C/gigabyte-ga-ab350-gaming-3-atx-am4-motherboard-ga-ab350-gaming-3

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Y4kwrH/msi-b350-tomahawk-atx-am4-motherboard-b350-tomahawk

Or if there's something better in the B350 board price range you can suggest that too.

looking for a new monitor, preferably one with IPS, under $300

I game but don't play "esports" cancer so a super duper refresh rate doesn't really do anything for me.

I also hear about people playing the korean or chinese, some chinkshit, monitor roulette. Some are made really well and others aren't, even from the same model, right?

>>61728618
>In Australia CAT7A is...
fixed spelling and it's also CAT7A not Cat7+

>>61728637
Look at the AsRock B350 Pro4

>>61728657
>The motherboard M.2 slot #2 shares bandwidth with a SATA 6.0 Gb/s port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA 6.0 Gb/s port is disabled.
Is that going to be a problem

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So with the announcement of Coffee Lake, when are companies that produce mobos gonna start announcing mobos that will be compatible?

I wanna fucking finish my PC already. tfw impatient

>>61728638
Is there any specific reason to go IPS over a VA based panel?

VA has far better contrast (typically 2000:1 on the low side to 5000:1 on the high side - static contrast, compared to 1000:1 on IPS or TN) Great but not excellent viewing angles (colors are slightly less vibrant on modern VA panels at an oblique angle, but not inverted like TN - consider than most TV's are VA based and are still designed for multiple viewing angles)

>>61728621
the vega cards coming out have an amazing amount of memory that nothing else matches. my understanding is that the vega cards are the best rendering cards there are and that the 1080 only excels in gaming vs vega (perhaps an issue with testing but vega is still a high enough card, i understand vega will work better at high poly counts because of the sheer memory).

fair point with cooling i suppose, if not the whole system then maybe just the vega, though we still have to wait and see

>>61722349
if you are concer in to blow hot air to the psu. (ambient temperature + 5º to 10º from the processor) mostprobabli dont happen nothing or psu shuts down. is really rare that explode for that unlles shit tier psu.

>>61728685
It depends. are you going to have an m.2 drive on the motherboard?
>>61728690
Just get ryzen my friend, it's objectively better than intel's current offerings

>>61728685
It's a tradeoff.
That means that of you have an M.2 drive, you can't use one SATA port.

Not really a problem, unless you have 6HDDs/SSDs.

Now, IIRC, the #1 M.2 is Ultra M.2 and goes through PCIe, so it will not use up one fo your SATA ports. The #2 M.2 is SATA 6GB interface (that's why it takes bandwith from a sata port)

>>61728685
That only happens if you don't use an NVME m.2 drive.

>>61728702
No, Vega might turn out better later ('finewine') but right now it's trading places with 1080 in games and general rasterisation of 3D.
Compute on the other hand it's killing everything - everything.
No one will be able to buy one since with the new drivers and RX bios, Vega is pushing 100MH/s on eth - miners will buy ALL of these cards EVERY SINGLE ONE.
It's essentially 3x 1070 hashing performance in 1.5x power consumption with a 1.2x pricetag.

>>61728738
Right now I only have a single HDD and then a Samsung - 960 EVO M.2-2280

So aside from not being able to add more storage probably I'm cool with what I have?

>>61728609
Typically because it actually is 2933.

Don't worry about this shit, your RAM will pretty much certainly still throw around more GB/s than you need.

>>61728618
> My house is going have Cat7+ everywhere.
I only have partial Cat7 cables with some fairly nice (Hirose) Cat.6 connnectors, the rest is mostly still Cat.6.

Both work fine. But sure, lay down Cat7 everywhere. It's probably not a bad idea.

> Is Australia Cat+ is certified for Foxtel cable and satellite - seriously a Cat series cable is certified to replace an RG6 quad shield coax in an RF application.
You mean they just plug it in and use one strand of the wire for a RG6 replacement without doing Ethernet or anything?

>>61728755
Yes, you might also be able to use it still, M.2 has both SATA and PCI-e connectivity.
Your 960EVO uses PCI-e rather than SATA, so it stands to reason that port might work now anyway.

Try it sometime - it won't harm anything even if it doesn't work, you just simply won't pick up the drive.

>>61728637
>B350
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813145009

>>61728755
Yeah, the ultra M.2 (the #1) is going to work great with the 960.

And you can add more storage, probably 3 more SSD/HDD.

Have fun. And remember to have the correct RAM for Ryzen. And a good cooler to OC the 1600 into oblivion.

>>61728786
>>61728787
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gpFpPs

This is what I currently have. My budget is ~$2000

I was told last night that if all I was doing was gaming and not visual editing or whatever else a lot that the 1600 would be fine compared to the 1700.

>>61728755
No problem, just RTFM to figure out which SATA port it will disable if you use M.2.

Apart from that, if you run out of SATA ports later there are multiple solutions. PCI SATA controller cards, SATA port multipliers, USB3 SATA docks etc. And if you exhaust everything there are still NAS etc. Don't worry about that one.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z7pcvV

using it for gaming and video editing (hence the CPU), trying to keep the cost low whilst staying powerful. Would prefer to not go higher than what its already at.

Not so sure about the case, idgaf about lights but the case does look kinda cool, its just so fucking big but I don't know what else to go for. Also have never fucked with water cooling, afraid I'm going to screw it up, how easy/hard is the one I chose to install/use?

Planning on waiting until black friday to pull the trigger for this one

>>61728829
1600 is the most you'll need unless you're playing a game, streaming it, AND doing something else at the same time
Just be sure to get a mobo with an M.2 slot and at least 6 SATA ports, whether you currently need them or not...you might later

>>61728829
Also because I didn't ask last night, according to what I saw the R5 case only comes with one fan. Is that going to be a problem with what I have inside it?

>>61728864
Piece together a similar Ryzen build and report back.

Is M.2 just a meme or should I get SSD for cheaper? For 250gb we're talking 40 europoor currency difference.

>>61728864
Get a Ryzen 7 1700 instead. ESPECIALLY if you're video edition. Is it as good in games? almost. You won't notice a difference. But it's better at literally everything else

>>61728892
if you're building a custom rig, there's no reason not to fill every available fan slot

how was fx8350 able to hit 8ghz yet 1950x only reach 5.2ghz?

>>61728829
Okay, your build is VERY unoptimized in any standpoint. Do you want to get the best out of your $200 Budget, or do you wanr to keep that performance and lower the price?

I recommended the Pro4, because I though you were on a much tighter budget.

What do you want to get out of this? Have you got money to burn?

>>61728864
I don't get it. Do you already have this build, or are you planning to build it. Because that is not adequate for what you intend to do. Get ryzen 1700 and as the othwr anon said. Report back

>>61728914
Just get a normal SSD. m.2's are for using as a scratch disk, writing and reading files to them all the time.

>>61728864
I'd swap the case for a plain, boring $50-80 Corsair or Antec or such.

You could also use a less fancy mainboard. And are you sure about that wlan card?

OTOH you might want to get a bigger SSD or HDD if you can.

>>61728914
Remember how much faster using an SSD as your boot drive was compared to platter drives?
Similar-sized improvement again with M.2
Friend of mine boots his shiny new Ryzen rig in 5 seconds on an M.2

>>61728928
>Have you got money to burn
My money to burn is $2000 and that's at max. If I can get under that without sacrificing too much performance that'd be ideal. At most I want to do gaming and light streaming. I'm not going to go crazy with much else other than that.

Hey, not exactly on topic, but I need to get a keyboard for my school laptop. The backslash and space keys are going out, plus I like to set the keyboard on my lap when I am programing. I love the keyboard I use for my desktop, but its too big to carry everywhere, plus the hassle of unplugging and re-plugging it in every day.

My criteria is numpad, not mechanical, and cant be bluetooth. Thats it.

Should i fall for the roll up or folding types?
Wireless?
corded?
I dunno, just feeling out suggestions. Thanks in advance.

>>61728955
That's bad ergonomics.

If you go wireless you can internally debate over bluetooth or a dedicated USB receiver.

>>61728947
> Similar-sized improvement again with M.2
Nah. Booting off a NVMe SSD basically doesn't make a fuck's worth of a difference vs booting off a SATA SSD.

>>61728940
I'm just going to use my current 4tb HDD along with it, this is an upgrade from my current build.

>>61728928
>>61728918
>>61728910
>ryzen
I consistently hear about how AMD cards are trash and get poor support and aren't compatible with some games, be it from internet hearsay to anecdotes from personal acquaintances

is this a meme or not. If so, how and why was it started

>>61728971
>>61728947
Booting off an Optane drive on the other hand is fast.
Forget the shit vendor lockin cache software, Optane works on all platforms as has the lowest latency of any consumer ssd.

>>61728977
You're not much better for repeating the cycle of uninformed opinions.

If you want to stand by Intel brand loyalty, who are we to change your mind? We're not paying for it.

>>61728955
>Should i fall for the roll up or folding types?
No. They basically feel terrible. Yea, do get a rubber dome or mechanical normal keyboard.

> Wireless? corded?
Your choice, really. I'd go with corded, but it's not like most wireless keyboards need frequent recharging these days.

>>61728990
isnt optane just nvme

>>61728998
there had to be a reason for these opinions in the first place

and like I said, I've had friends who legit were unable to play some games, not because their card wasn't powerful enough but because it wasn't supported. It was an AMD card.

>>61728977
ATi was Canadian, need I say more?
But on a serious note, they had issues with their dual-gpu RAGE solution, thne their pci-e transition didn't work so well with x*00, then R500 had slow drivers at the start
Then R600-the entirety of treascale had an impossible compiler problem which made the gpus slow (as a result of the compiler in the drivers, read wikipedia VLIW
Then nvidia has better optimised drivers during GCN.

>>61729024
You're talking about fucking gpus, ryzen is a cpu. Objectively better performance per dollar than anything intel can put out. Where is your reading comprehension?

>>61728949
I'd get this.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8PGtD8

You can get a fancier MoBo if you need it. The 960Pro is really no use for you. I added the1080ti, so there a big improvement there, and the overall price is lower

>>61728990
> Booting off an Optane drive on the other hand is fast.
SSD is faster and basically even on Windows 10 booting is a solved problem.

You're better off optimizing away time spent on the BIOS or the amount of programs loaded than dick around with Optane nonsense which either way is just a cash grab.

>>61728962
I got what you mean, and I dont do it the whole time, I just like to sometimes lean back and pull the keyboard onto my lap, especially if my back starts to hurt. It prob wont ever come up though, since I will be using it for no more than 2 hours at a time, and ill be doing most of my projects at home at the main rig.

And dedicated usb receiver is fine. Its just a school computer, so having one of three usb slots always used up doesn't really bother me. will most likely just use the touch pad for day to day stuff, though i im going to be packing my old steel series mouse just in case.

>>61729000
I figured. Really didnt wanna poke my head out and try it unless i found some endorsements here.


So should something cheap like
>https://www.amazon.com/Standard-Keyboard-70010-Windows-Desktop/dp/B0075W8C1K/ref=sr_1_29?s=pc&rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1501860449&sr=1-29&keywords=usb+keyboard&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011
work? Ive never cheaped out on a keyboard before, so im not really sure if you can "go wrong".

>>61728977
Quit your nagging.

Ryzen is a CPU family, that released a couple of months ago, brand new architecture and is raping Intel in the ass in pretty mcuj everything.

If you're doing ANY kind of content creation, Streaming or compiling, get Ryzen it's pretty much the only choice in the market. Intel CPUs are the kings of high fps in gaming so far, but not by much and lose in every other task.
I have a Ryzen R7 1700 and it's fucking outstanding.

>>61729011
The interface yes, but it's not NAND flash on the other side of that interface.
The reason NVME is typically no faster for boot than SATA3 drives is SATA3 is already wide enough for most of the transfer, the biggest time water is literally waiting around for the drives NAND to be ready.
Making the interface wider doesn't help with latency, NVME NAND drives are 'faster' becuase they move more data per second in sustained workloads.

Optane isn't nand and is exponentionally faster in latency/access times - but also slower per cell in writing than NAND (consumer optane is 1300MB/s read 280MB/s write with <1us access latency - similar to RAM...)

>>61729073
what can you do in the bios

>>61729073
Found the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zulzlWgOg5k

Oh, and of course Optane SSD are basically the same speed. Even in that video which doesn't feature anything particularly tweaked, the only thing that could be optimized is the ~5 seconds after the BIOS.

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>>61729024
>there had to be a reason for these opinions in the first place
There is. Think back to 2011 when Intel release Sandy Bridge. At the same time, AMD released the Bulldozer architecture for their CPUs. There had been a LOT of marketing thrown at Bulldozer and it fell short. Especially since AMD's 8 core FX 8100 was competing against 4 core Intel i5's.
In 2012, AMD revised Bulldozer into Vishera, which met all the original goals set for Bulldozer, just 1 year too late. On launch, the Visher FX 8350 was behind the Intel I5's in gaming, but AMD said it would change over the coming years as games became more multi-threaded. CPU buyers laughed and flocked to Intel to buy the i5's and i7's in a move of short-sightetedness.
Nowadays, the FX 8350 beats the Intel counterparts from the time in gaming and AMD was proven right.

Same thing is happening now with Ryzen only AMD's CPUs are almost identical to Intels in performance this time.
AMD Ryzen CPUs are a better buy. History has shown us this,

>>61729059
Isn't the 1080ti overkill unless I'm doing shit in 4k though? Or at least that is what I remember being told here previously.

Also can you explain why the 960Pro is no use? Help me understand some of your decisions please. People had previously told me that it would be faster than a standard SSD and the 500GB was a nice benefit.

>>61729112
That's using Optane as a cache drive, I'm not talikng about that.

You can use the optane drives as a generic NVME SSD evne without Intel's shit software - it also works on all platforms (only the cache software is locked to z270 and x299)

>>61729124
There's no such thing as overkill, just being future proof.

>>61729107
is such a small drive even wise though? even if you soplit /home/ what about whatever directory programs are in?

>>61729124
Well, you get more power for the same budget. I asked you if you wanted to stick to your budget or save some bux. And i don't think your answer was very clear, so I sticked to your budget... and actually lowered it... with beefier core components. Hell, I'd upgrade to a R7 1700 if I was you.

>>61729141
nah /home/ can have a slower SATA3 drive
I want /boot/ and rest of / on it.
My current 120GB SSD is 82GB for /home/ and 38GB for / (the rest)
The 38gb partition is only 30% full after 18 months.

I don't boot from /home/...

>>61729181
well obviously but if you have /bin/on a different drive wont that cause issues if something needs to run at startup and the drives are encrypted?

does pcpartpicker take into account build size? Like if all of your parts, regardless of if they are compatible, will actually fit in their slots together?

>>61729137
video card lines refresh faster than processor lines
you can't future proof that shit, you only pay out the nose to fall behind more slowly

>>61729156
Do you think I should buy additional case fans? If so what do you recommend.

>>61729234
yes... parts almost never dont fit anyway.