/wt/ watch thread

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First post for Seamaster very nice

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Im shopping for my second watch. This citizen automatic is only $150. Should I place the order now?

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First for fuck Seiko, fuck poor people, fuck weebs, fuck Donald Trump, and fuck you. Rolex is the only watch worth owning. We are going to cleanse /wt/ of shitter watches once and for all.


Who's with me?

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>>61588353
I agree.

>>61588318
Go for it, it's only money.

>>61588353
> First for fuck Seiko, fuck poor people, fuck weebs, fuck Donald Trump, and fuck you.
I'm with you bro, fuck quartz too.

> Rolex is the only watch worth owning.
And now you've lost me. If you want to cure /wt/ of the shitter anal cancer then their are so many other great makes to chose from and not just the bling watch for the masses.

>>61588371
holy fuk

>>61588255
Required viewing for non plebs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDcjrIoVz-E

>>61587867
>I believe the uncertainty is what is spooking some third parties and why more and more third parties are choosing Seiko and Miyota movements.
don't know of any major orders for Seiko and Miyota.
If you look at the ETA's numbers, they produce like 1.5 million mechanical movements per year for third-parties.
In comparison all of Japan produces 2.2 million mechanical watches http://www.jcwa.or.jp/en/data/industry/
So basically they would need to increase their capacities by 50%. Seiko already has and forecasts negative cashflows, they don't have any new money to burn for such adventures.

also for those Swiss watchmakers switching to Japanese ones would be an PR nightmare, they already got bad press for non in-house movements for decades.

>>61587870
that's what the reuters article is saying but if you juxtapose it to the later swatch statement that narrative sounds moot.

Swatch's narrative always was that they want out of their unfair obligations and when Sellita and Tudor didn't even take their reserved orders in 2016, they wanted to sell those to others.
that's not reversing anything.
it rather shows how unfair those obligations are when you are required to produce double the needed movements for certain parties and can't even sell them to others if they don't take it.
otoh allowing them to sell them on the open market could destroy the newborn, fragile competition due to their pricing power.

>>61588547
fair points

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I got this in Singapore the other day. It's probably the single most comfortable thing I've ever had on my wrist.

>>61588423
No, Rolex JLC, AP and Patek are the only luxury brands worth owning, the rest are shit. I don't care about shit "Swiss" watches, they account for less than 1% of the dumb bullshit in /wt/. The seikoposting needs to stop though, it's cause for most of the garbage on here.

>>61588371
wrist-watches were woman-only till WW1.
wrist-watches over 36mm were absurd till 2000.
wearing a sports-watch to a suit was absurd till James Bond.
mechanical watches will need servicing every 3-5 years.
thus, it's pretty absurd that it will even last one lifetime.

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>>61588353
>thinking Rolex is anything but the shitter of luxury watches

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>>61588353
>Rolex is the only watch worth owning
nice b8 m8

>>61588691
God they make some nice watches don't they

>>61588674
don't see rolex in their, but their bevelling quality is likely 5/10, so comparable and not shit.

>>61588756
>5 points out of 10 is not shit

why is there always written how many 'jewels' the watch uses? what's the importance of these 'jewels'?

>>61588774
Low-friction bearings, generally makes the watch run better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewel_bearing

>>61588774
Stones or jewels were developed in watches to reduce friction at the points of heaviest wear. When metal rubs against metal and when oil breaks down, the damage to pivots and bearings can be rapid and devastating in terms of watch repairs. So in a nutshell, in order to reduction wear and friction between two pieces of metal that rub against one another, watch makers use (today synthetic rubies) hard stones as friction points as they last a lot longer than metal.
Mind you, just because the watch have more jewels doesn't mean that it better.

>>61588802
thank you

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Yeah fuck seiko fricken WEEBS

>>61588879
polished to shit
misaligned hour hand

>>61588829
More detail on jewel bearing design, if you care
http://www.birdprecision.com/pdfs/jewelbearings.pdf

Does anyone make watches with diamond bearings?

>>61588923
Interesting question, does different jewels have different effect or is it the same?

>le Rolex is good cause it's what rich people wear

>>61588916
I think it looks fantastic, you're parroting a meme.

Also the hour hand is not misaligned.

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Fucking T&H, now i want a grey dial datejust.

>>61589023

I don't know what it is... but i fucking hate that guy

>>61588959
>Also the hour hand is not misaligned.
hour hand is pointing at like 7.52, but minute hand is at 7.47

>>61588674
Bottom two are polished though.

>>61588946
Synthetic ruby and sapphire are the most common today, but different materials have different properties. From that .pdf I shared:
>Ruby, sapphire, and hard glass make the best jewel bearings because they are hard and take a near-perfect polish, down to 1 or 2μin. While diamond holds promise as the ultimate jewel bearing because of its extreme hardness and low friction, its high cost makes it unacceptable.

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>>61589076
If you seriously consider this misaligned you have crippling autism

>>61588353
>>61588423
Quartz is literally better than mechanical.
And seiko is literally better then your shitty gaudy rolex.

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>>61589230
Not him but shouldn't the hand point like this instead?

>>61589258
kek

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>>61589258

>>61589279
>>61589273
Not an argument

>>61589099
As they should be.

>>61589258
put your money where your mouth is and try to establish a Seiko store in Switzerland.

>>61589353
>2017
>brick and mortar stores

>>61589336
prolly just on the side facing you
which begs the question why rolex should, when they have no display caseback

>>61589264
Ok I'm fine with how the watch is, if that is considered misaligned then so be it I'm ok with that

>>61589258
> Quartz is literally better than mechanical.
If you want to use something that vibrates and is battery powered go find your mom's dildo.

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>>61588353
I'll be here forever and there is nothing you can do about it

>>61589677
>doesn't know the difference between a dildo and a vibrator
virgin please

>>61589563
>he never watches his watches run through a loupe
>>>/fa/ with that shit, we care about the insides here.

>>61589230
>>61589264

Is this the power of Daini Seikosha?

>>61589742
If you look, the minute hand isn't centered which would throw off the hour hand

>>61589728
>implying vibrating dildos aren't just one type of vibrator
nice try

>>61589742
The Lord Marvel 5740C is a Suwa Seikosha design.

>>61588371
i'm glad the explorer ii is pictured as its really the only modern rolex worth owning, as its not retardedly thick like the rest of them, and its not priced into the stratosphere. also, anyone who buys a new rolex is a certifiable retard

>>61589737
>>>>/fa/ with that shit, we care about the insides here.
bullshit
it's you that should go to /fa/ if you care about looks.
rolex movements will utterly destroy your haute horology pieces in technological aspects such as accuracy, reliability and durability.

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>>61588353
Hi :^)

>>61588353
you're basically replacing the idiocy of thinking a sarb033 is the same quality as a datejust with the idiocy of thinking rolex is the only good watch brand.

its just a different flavour of autism

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>>61589834

>>61588640
>AP
ALS shits all over Rapstar Nigget. Also Grand Seiko has better finishing than Rolex :^)

>>61589757
not by such a degree, especially not on a high-beat movement

>>61588547
i think you'd be a fool to choose a meme swiss piece like a modern khaki with an ETA shitter in it over a seiko with an in house movement.

>>61589677
>This is the average rolexposter's comeback.

>>61589849
>you're basically replacing the idiocy of thinking a sarb033 is the same quality as a datejust
No one on /wt/ has ever seriously argued such a thing. I have argued that the finishing on the SARB is comparable to an Omega Aqua Terra, but that is an indictment of the AT and not a lauding of the SARB. The AT's finishing is a fucking joke (played on the customer) for the price.

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>>61589757
I think that's an optical illusion from the reflection on the indices. If you look at the very tip of the minute hand and trace the centerline between the indices it looks dead on. Even if it's off a tiny bit it isn't nearly enough to throw off the hour hand that much, which would only be 1/12 of however far off the minute hand is from the 12:00 position.

The hands are definitely misaligned. Not a big deal as it's an old beater Seiko, but yeah this constant "SEIKO BETTER THAN SWISS MADE FOLDED OVER THOUSAND TIMES CHRONOMETER TRIALS I HAVE HENTAI WALLPAPER AND ANIME FIGURINES PLEASE" garbage you see people post constantly is a load of horseshit. I mean look at how literally 50% of the people who buy an SKX have misaligned chapter rings because Seiko can't even bother to try and line shit up on the fucking dial.

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>>61589862
GRAND SEIKO HAS BETTER FINISHING THAN YOUR SWISS SHIT

DAINI SUWA SEIKOSHA MASTER RACE COMING THROUGH

ALL OUR WATCHES LOOK LIKE SHIT AND NO ONE BUT WEABS WANT THEM BUT THEY ARE STILL BETTER THAN EVERYTHING ELSE.

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>>61589258
> ... shitty gaudy rolex.

>>61589817
>I'm glad the explorer ii is pictured as its really the only modern rolex worth owning,

It's like you don't know about the Cellini's.

>>61589875
hamilton and eta are both swatch, so as much in-house as from the seiko holding

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>>61589919
I happen to like the SBGH001 a fair bit, but I'm really like the grammar of design aesthetic, baton indices, dauphine hands, and OCD finishing, so I'm probably not exactly a representative sample.

>>61588371
The ol' "I'm right so I speak logically, you're wrong so you're spewing hatred bullshit" meme.
People still fall for this?

>>61589946
it's a very recent development that rolex tries to seriously enter the dress watch market.
it's a very weird move considering they care about tradition so much.

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>>61589946
I actually like the new Presidents too.

Most of modern Rolex is too big (43mm Sea Dweller is ridiculous) or has the ugly maxi-dials but they still have a few good pieces even in their modern lineup.

>>61589875
>>61589960
The problem with Hamilton's and Tissot's isn't the ETA movement, it's the poor designs intended to make you want more expensive Swatch Group watches and the mediocre finishing that are really disappointing.

Seiko generally offers much better value in the sub $1,000 category.

>>61589946
ok fine, the cellini are nice, however they aren't really what comes to anyone's mind when they think Rolex. i retract my statement, and put forward a new one:

I'm glad the Rolex Explorer ii is pictured as its really the only modern sports Rolex worth owning.

>>61589833
>it's you that should go to /fa/
no u

>>61590013
I completely agree. I've never been a fan of most bracelet Rolexes, especially Day-Date or Date-just but those President 40 models are extremely good. The platinum version is to kill for, it's stunning. Next bonus I think I'm buying one.

>>61590020
And... I am getting a Tianjin Seagull instead

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>>61590116

the only chinese shitters worth having are the ones with miyota movements. (maison celadon are very nice too)

>>61590020
>Seiko generally offers much better value in the sub $1,000 category.
officially Seiko offers hardly anything worldwide.
they are only competitive due to their leaky distribution channels that allow for cheap grey imports.
too bad Seiko are now beginning to hunt down on grey imports and want to distribute it themselves.
so for example the list price for the SARB035 in Germany is €550, that's not that interesting anymore.

>>61590171
In North America at least this appears to be false. I have a Seiko AD locally who Seiko allowed to bring in whichever models he wants, even if they are JDM, and he sells at prices competitive with grey market dealers.

So if Seiko is cracking down on semi-production/unofficial distribution channels and sub-MSRP pricing it's news to me.

>>61590215
one of the biggest grey importers:
https://www.skywatches.com.sg/reviews/seiko-automatic-watch-sarb035-sarb035j.htm
>We do not ship these following range of Seiko collections to EU countries: Grand Seiko, Prospex, Astron, Velatura, Premier, Sportura, Ananta

one of the biggest semi-official ones:
https://www.seiyajapan.com/collections/grand-seiko
>Grand Seiko is shipped to Worldwide except EU & UK.

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>>61589946
>this is considered sleek and pretty by sweaty arab buisnessmen

>>61590314
Well that's quite strange. Why would Seiko ease up their restrictions on North America while simultaneously tightening them on Europe? That doesn't make any sense to me.

>>61589918
>The hands are definitely misaligned
Honestly, it's possible the hour hand is less perfectly aligned than it appears from the pic, it's a bit hard to tell.

In any case, as that watch was recently serviced it would hardly be attributable to Seiko at all whether they were or were not exactly aligned, though unfortunately that doesn't fit the narrative you were trying to advance.

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Do you have questions?

I don't have a better camera at the moment.

>>61590471
Can we get a pic of it from the front so we can see how large it is? And your wrist size? Digging that watch from this angle ...although it is overpriced.

>>61590450
>that watch was recently serviced it would hardly be attributable to Seiko
Seiko not servicing it anymore and you having to go to some hack can certainly be blamed on Seiko

>>61590697
>Seiko not servicing it anymore and you having to go to some hack can certainly be blamed on Seiko
Let me get this straight: Your contention that any possible misalignment of the hands is Seiko's fault because they don't service in North America a watch that was only made and sold in Japan in the late 1960s and early 1970s?

And by extension, you are therefore asserting that it is a good idea to bring vintage watches from any maker to the official service center, which the overwhelming majority of vintage watch collectors avoid like the plague?

And that it's not possible that the hands are actually aligned and you are jumping to conclusions based on what you want to see in a single image?

Gee, I wonder if you have some sort of axe to grind here?

Oh and for the record that watchmaker you casually describe as a hack has one of the best reputations for working on vintage watches in North America and regularly has work sent to him from the states.

>>61590450
Yep and Seiko not even attempting to align chapter rings must be the same "narrative I'm trying to advance".

Can't let precious Daini Seikosha take any criticism.

>>61590870
>Yep and Seiko not even attempting to align chapter rings must be the same "narrative I'm trying to advance".

No, that is a perfectly legitimate criticism and it annoys the hell out of me too. When I bought an SKX, I got it from a guy who mods them and one of the things I asked him to do was to make sure the chapter ring was aligned.

On the other hand, blaming Seiko for the alignment of hands on a 40+ year old watch recently serviced by an independent vintage watchmaker is utterly absurd and most certainly does demonstrate an axe to grind.

>Daini Seikosha
Did not make the Lord Marvel 5740C you were talking about.

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>>61588691
MADE IN CHINA

>>61590925
Unless your watchmaker fucked up putting it back together we have no reason to assume Seiko didn't send it out like that from the factory. Gears on a watch do not "pop out" of alignment like some timing chain on an old motor and fuck up the synchronicity of the hour and minute hands.

It could be you're right, and it could be that (like the chapter ring issue which Seiko gives precisely zero fucks about) they just don't bother with it and shipped it from the factory in that condition.

I don't even hate Seiko or most of their watches, I just hate 90% of their autistic weeb fanbase who legit cannot handle even mild criticisms or skepticism over the quality of their pet gook brand.

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Has /wt/ finally turned on Seiko?


>mfw

Will a leather nato make me look like an edgelord

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>>61591113
T b h, I hate both sides of this pointless argument.

>>61591226
Regular NATO is meme status
Leather NATO is chill dude mode

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>>61591060
>Unless your watchmaker fucked up putting it back together we have no reason to assume Seiko didn't send it out like that from the factory. Gears on a watch do not "pop out" of alignment like some timing chain on an old motor and fuck up the synchronicity of the hour and minute hands.
The alignment of hands when they are put on a movement is not fixed and depends on the watchmaker reassembling the watch to ensure they are aligned correctly. I have no idea where you came up with the idea that there is some sort of fixed gearing inside the watch movement that determines the alignment of the hands.

Oh, and It's actually most likely that the apparent misalignment of the hands was caused by the minute hand not being aligned dead on to 12 and a slight trick of perspective since I was able to replicate the apparent misalignment with one of my watches which I know for sure has perfectly aligned hands (pic related).

>I don't even hate Seiko or most of their watches, I just hate 90% of their autistic weeb fanbase who legit cannot handle even mild criticisms or skepticism over the quality of their pet gook brand.
That's funny since I don't see anyone defending the poor alignment of factory chapter rings on cheaper Seikos (myself included).

There is a difference between saying that sub $1,000 Seikos tend to provide a better value than the competition at that pricepoint and saying Seiko is perfect. Just like there is a difference between people making sensible criticisms and clearly demonstrating they have an axe to grind and making utterly ludicrous claims to support that axe grinding.

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>>61588255
What do you lot think about kickstarter watches?
Image related (Filippo Loreti)

>>61591834
Oh shit nigga going off
>>61591835
Bad news bears

>>61591834
>>61591834
Neither of those are aligned.

I'm sure a Swiss ISP company is sabatoging your Suwa Seikoshi horlogerie though.

>>61590488

Will put up another pic later.

It's a 39mm watch and my wrist is about 7 inches I think.

I agree the watch is overpriced for what you get, but I was selling off some others and didn't want a Pelagos because I already have a Tudor.

I figured the fact that it's a limited edition will help the watch retain more value than it normally would. But most importantly, I like it quite a bit.

It's keeping good time and feels quite solid. The high quality of it is evident in person. But it's not obsessively flashy.

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>>61590013
stop posting these, you are making my weak

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>>61591835
Game set and match, my anti-Seiko shitposting friend :^)

>>61591835

They are known scammers from some shit country that say they're from another country. Made in Italy, but actually made in Bulgaria or some shit.

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>>61592180
>Game set and match, my anti-Seiko shitposting friend :^)

>>61589361
>he doesn't understand true luxury

>>61591044
>what is hand stitched?

>>61590471
How much dick do you eat daily?

Is it a full bag?

>>61591835
who?
I would rather buy Tisell at least then I know a Korean dick is trying to fuck me.

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>>61589563
>if there's no display back they shouldn't finish it

>>61592180 (You)
Was obviously meant to quote >>61591933

>>61592542
Panerai is a joke

>>61591044
That is hand stitched. I actually have made quite a few leather goods. You can't help that if done by hand.

>>61592542
I would take these people more seriously if their either made movements or priced their watches as shitters. These fucking things are worth tops 800 -1200 dollars.

>>61593125
>Panerai is a joke
Panerai is the logical conclusion of modern marketing driven watchmaking.

Companies like Panerai really and unironically believe that they are selling the image and perception of social status created by the advertising and celebrity endorsements, and that the physical watch is merely a totem for carrying the value added created by the marketing. As such, actual watchmaking is treated as a cost centre to be minimised, while marketing is seen as the primary corporate focus.

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>>61592542
The Parnis clone may actually be just as good as the actual watch if not better.

>>61590331
Araby businessmen don't fuck with Rolex dude; they're the types to get a Royal Oak Offshore.

>>61592213
There's also the chance that is actually made in Italy but with imported Chinese/Eastern European labor.

>>61593125
I mean Panerai started out making watches for the Italian Navy in the same way that Vostok did for the Russian Navy, so the finish is always going to be shit like any military watch, but that kind of shit in inexcusable nowadays when you buy an expensive timepiece for the horological value rather than the utility of it.

>>61589917
what parts of the aqua Terra are finished poorly? I like the aqua Terra but I've never seen one in person. Also would you say the sarb033 has better finishing than other watches in the price range? would you recommend the sarb?

>>61591044

It's from making backstitches. The thread fell to the side instead of on top or to the preferred side and is now bunched up. There's two layers of thread for the first two backthreads, then either burned and tucked or stuck into the leather.

>>61590215
where are you located breh? my local dealers don't have anything interesting seikos.

>>61593578
People pay 20,000 for this

>>61593940
Not him but he's the 033 has much better finishing than other watches in that range

>>61594008
thanks senpai. do you own a sarb033? what aspects would you say are better finished?

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>>61592213
They're actually made in China/Lithuania according to their own customer services anyway.

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>>61593819
Only the leather it seems.

>>61594044
I don't but I know someone who does. The case, dial, and hands are the best. The bracelet is not so much.

>wearing a Rolex
>don't CCW
why do you faggots do this?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/27/man-killed-london-moped-rolex-thieves-cctv-appeal

>>61588617
model?

>>61588353
>I celebrate my impotence by wearing a Rolex.

OK, so what innovations have they brought out the last 5 years? Anything? Or just another blingy design?

>>61594577
>CCW
What if he lives in the UK. Lol.

>>61594081

>Swiss standard Facilities in China

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>get a hankering for a windup alarm clock
>despite almost constant innovation in wristwatches there hasn't been a single transfer of that to any of the new mechanical offerings

You'd think a larger movement would be easier and cheaper to work on with the advent of silicon

>>61594679
You mean other than introducing the first series produced automatic movement rated to +/- 2 seconds a day? Or their continues investments in entirely proprietary manufacturing technology to allow them to produce the volume of watches they do at the quality standard they do? Or the introduction of a Tudor in-house caliber with a free sprung silicon balance for mid-range Omega money?

What's the vintage orient market like ?

>>61595849
Lots of heavily polished and franken watches from India.

All the Rolexes I'm interested in are flawed. What I want is a discrete steel dateless Rolex with a white dial.

Explorer I - black dial makes it less versatile

Datejust - "old man's watch", cyclops

Oyster Perpetual - garish dial options, markers look slightly too modern/edgy

>>61596440
Milgaus my nigga

>>61589918
This is ironic considering Paul can only get asian ladyboys.

>>61596440
White dial Air-king.
>>61596472
He wants discrete, the Milgauss has orange indices & an orange lightning bolt seconds hand.

>>61596472
>Milgaus my nigga

It looks too funky

The Milgauss would be the 3rd or 4th watch in a collection

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>>61596520
>What I want is a discrete steel dateless Rolex with a white dial.
Compared to most of Rolex's offerings, the white milgaus is discrete.

Air King is maybe the worst looking Rolex in production. That's taking into account some of those one-off 90000000000000 diamond encrusted Sea Dwellers that Oil Sheiks order

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what are these straps called?

>>61596440
You can remove the cyclops.
And keeping it on oyster instead of jubilee, and on smooth bezel instead of those fluted white gold bezels, make it less old-many.

>>61596672
gay

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>>61594044
I'll repost this in case it helps.

>>61594577
Yeah I've had like 4 two-on-one gunfights this month already.

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>>61596564
If only rolex would bring back the honeycomb dial milgauss.

Would also be nice if the modern milgaus' were thinner.

>>61589817
>i'm glad the explorer ii is pictured as its really the only modern rolex worth owning
It's the worst Rolex.

>>61589693
LITTLE
JAPANESE
HANDS

You'd think watches would be stylish, but all these Seiko and Rolex look so shit.

>>61598148
ok

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trust me bro..

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>>61594577
>london
>white minority
wow a shithole is a shithole

>>61596440
black dial is more versatile than a dressy white one

>>61597182
>doesn't know the difference between arms and hands

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>>61594008
which price range do you think the sarb033 is in?
comparing grey import prices w/o tax & duties vs list?

>>61594313
>case
only thing special is the different types of polish.
polish itself and transitions aren't that great
>dial
pic related
>hands
they look very unrefined with all that lume

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I'm gonna fucking do it boys. I'm buying a Slav shitter to mod and you can't stop me.

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>>61594577
If someone tries to mug you for your watch and you say something like "Chill dude, it's a fake", does that make him even angrier and stab your ass or just run?

>>61599345
they don't believe you and proceed normally

>>61599345
Nah he will just mug your ass and sell the fake, beggar can't be chooser.

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>>61592231
>luxury
>techmology

>>61599745
not a contradiction per se
but /wt/ truly belongs to /fa/

>>61599775
Pretty much yes.

>>61598559

Why are you posting this garbage again? It's a shitty stock photo.

>>61597144

t. Grand Seiko 5 Owner

>>61590013

>43mm is too big

bitch wrists detected

>>61599901
https://youtu.be/_RcoiIz2Jd0?t=1m50s

>>61599848
It's inferior to the GMT Master 2, the second-hand market demonstrates that.

It's also ugly.

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Had for 5 years and fits the purpose

>>61599949

You're not getting a second hand explorer ii in any acceptable condition for anything less than $5000. Most acceptable GMT Master 2's start at 5500-6000. Yeah there are Exploer II's for like $4000 out there but they are beat to shit.

>>61599992
what's the purpose?

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>>61599901
Why americanfat always like this?

>>61600025
Judging by the pants, wroking in Australia's armed shitposting division.

>>61600006
>You're not getting a second hand explorer ii in any acceptable condition
Yeah, you're right about that.

>>61600049
Correct. Solar power is good To go also.

>>61600033
basically the whole watch industry embraced big watches now.
this is not some local American development.

>>61600080

So what's your point?

>>61600107

Are you implying that 42-3mm is too big? It's not a 46mm Planet Ocean Chrono or some gaudy Mall watch. Bitch wrists need to stop ruining everything or start wearing women's watches.

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What does /wt/ think of the Seadweller Deepsea? Have giant ham-arms and ham-hands, bulk isn't an issue.

>>61600203
the opposite:
if even extremely conservative brands like rolex do such sizes now, those sizes are the new normal.

>>61600235
>bulk isn't an issue
its height still makes it totally unsuitable for shirts

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>>61588255

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>>61600235

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>>61596564
The white dial Air-king is a lot better. It looks like a white dial Explorer.

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Who wears watches any more my phone does that.

>>61602767
Your phone wears a watch?

>>61596149
Fuck off ninefag

>hurr durr deleted posts

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>being a bitchwristed hillbilly with a guestimate inaccutron retardolino rohlekserooni assploder

FUCKING KEK

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Sup guys, I'm new to watch thread. Never wore a watch in my life, but wanted to try one out with some birthday money my parents gave me. I'm looking for something that I can wear with anything, but is also in the $100-150 range. Would prefer the mechanical style watch, but would also be open to digital as long as it looks nice.

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>>61588813
Casio F-91W dosn't have this problem :^)

>>61603049
tits or gtfo whore

>>61603078
its just some image i saved from /fa/

>>61603086
nice try but i know you're a big tit slut femanon, tits or gtfo

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>>61603099
I can share you my big tits folder, but I'd really like a watch recommendation.

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i guess you guys would call this a chink shitter but it was a gift and i like it though. got a problem?

>>61590425
>why would a multi national company have different people in charge of different markets
Asia is their home turf, their strategies in white countries are an afterthought. America got their first GS boutique like 15 years after they started opening them up in the Co-Prosperity Sphere

>>61593852
>horological value
Any time someone uses this phrase I instantly know they have NO idea what the fuck they're talking about

>>61596440
All Rolexes are slightly fugly by design, if you don't want a fugly watch and still have to have a luxury brand buy a used JLC or something

>>61602767
Because your phone is a digital pocket watch.

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Got this in the mail today

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>>61603494
>Got this in the mail today

"A breathtaking timepiece"

What's the reference number of the 36mm Air King?

>>61600238
>extremely conservative brands
You mean the brand that changed all their "tool watches" to be made of gold and diamonds overnight in the 1980s in order to cater to retards with no taste?

In 10 more years these things are going to be untouchable, in 25 years future hipsters will wear them ironically, in 30 years they'll be retro

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>>61603494
You know every now and then I consider getting a Copernic, but god they can really look cheap and shitty. The chromed brass and textured dial are really the worst parts.

>>61596564
>>61596689
>>61602536


too bad they fucked up all these models...

>>61603573
I have a girlfriend but i just want to fuck this guys wife just so he becomes an actual cuck for sure. Pure class

>>61603697
depends on what else you wear. the rest of my clothes are earthy so the colours don't stick out like dogs balls on my wrist

>>61603179
In your price range it doesn't matter.
It's basically no money.
Just get whatever watch you like.

>>61603179
fake tits are worse than fake watches

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Hi guys, I was wondering does the watch (sarb065) look big on my wrist? I thought about getting a 44mm watch but not sure if it will look ok.

>>61605332
44 would be way too big.
That SARB is already stretching it, in my opinion.

>>61605357
Yah exactly what I thought, I have kind of small wrists I guess it's just not meant to be

>>61588353
I bet you also like bad dragons

>>61605332
Depending on the lug-to-lug distance you might at least be able to wear one without overhang. 44 will likely still be a bit much though.

>>61605357
this

>>61588371
The texts go on the other side

>>61605332
why do sarbs look so big? the 38mm looks 40 and the 40 looks 42

>>61605487
Think about whose wrists they are on anon.

>>61588255
I don't understand why people buy those expensive over engineered watches, my €2 digital watch does exactly the same thing, people are retarded

>>61605703
same reason they buy nice shoes from enzo bonafe or carmina when a pair of keds will protect your feet just the same

in the grownup world, fashion exists even though we act like it doesn't

>>61605703
Status

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>>61605703
>I don't understand why people buy those expensive over engineered CPUs, my Celeron does exactly the same thing, people are retarded.

>I don't understand why people buy those expensive over engineered GPUs, my iGPU does exactly the same thing, people are retarded.

>>61595712
You did notice I stated "last 5 years"?

Anyway, generic gunk such as
>continues investments in entirely proprietary manufacturing technology to allow them to produce the volume of watches they do at the quality standard they do
says little or noting about innovations, more about posturing.

Silicon movements? Ulysse Nardin was there way before them.

>>61605654
I mean fuck man why are little Japanese people making watches like this anyway? Are the sarbs not supposed to be Japanese market watches?

>>61605971
In Singapore, Taiwan, and Japan you will see most men wearing xboxhueg gshocks. Your average salaryman will have some kind of sarb 35 esque watch on.

The women wear tiny tiny quartz shitters.

>>61605971
Sarbs are fine, and small for modern watches. I assume you said 38 looks like 40, 40 looks like 42. This is because a small watch on a small wrist looks similarly to a large watch on a large wrist. This is why wrist size matters. If you want a watch that looks small on a small wrist, you may have to go down lower than 37, maybe to 34.

>>61606040
thanks

>>61606068
why can't you just like a brand.. why have to be a seiko fanboy?

>>61605929
>You did notice I stated "last 5 years"?
The 32xx is within the last five years. The issue is that you simply don't comprehend how significant a technical achievement a +/- 2 s/d accuracy rating in a production movement is. Achieving such a standard is enormously more difficult than COSC standards.

>says little or noting about innovations, more about posturing
Once again, you simply don't understand enough about the subject to realise how impressive it is. No other watch company on earth could even begin to produce the annual volume of watches that Rolex does at the quality standard they do. Rolex is so secretive about their factories because virtually all of their manufacturing equipment is totally proprietary and self-developed.

>Silicon movements? Ulysse Nardin was there way before them.
Do you understand the difference between series production and artisinal production?

So I don't think we really answered this a couple threads ago. Some anons were going back and forth about 6R15s VS 2824. Another anon brought up the 2824s hand winding downfall. Is there confirmation on the seriousness of this flaw or were they bullshitting ? Seems serious to me if they were telling the truth. No autistic seiko arguing please keep it technical.

>>61606908
Automatic movements are not meant to be conterminously hand wound. Vostoks, eta's, seikos are all the same.

>>61606908
" ETA movements is in the setting lever and/or the other spring that controls the castle gear. With the 6r15, it is the winding gears themselves that are going to be the trouble spot."

>>61607157
They are the same in that they are not intended to be continually wound. However, there are countless cases of 2824s suffering from hand winding issues, while there are hardly any such reports of 6R15 failure.

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>mfw own a meme kikestarter watch and it's actually pretty ok
I was tempted to get another watch by them, but I figured one is enough.

Anyway, I've been thinking about buying one of those Nomos Glashutte Tangente watches, any thoughts on those? Are they worth the price?

>>61605929
>says little or noting about innovations, more about posturing.
except Rolex stands by their words and extended the warranty to 5 years and increased the service interval to 10 years for new watches in 2015.

>>61607247
anecdotal at best m8. Neither of us have actual real world failure rates. More 2824's are out there and more people buy watches that contain them so the number of cases you hear about would be higher even if it affected a smaller percentage of eta movements. Another thing to consider is everyone buys eta based watches whereas typically people more interested in watches/horology buy 6r15 based watches outside of japan.

>>61607364
>buying homos
>owns kikestarter "watch"
oh top jej

>>61607364
unsalvageable

>>61607364
>Kickstarter Watch
>HOMOS

You need to go back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU5PJjB1GrM

How can I identify the original of a parnis watch?
All parnis watches are copies, right?

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>>61607744
>>61607752
pls explain

I know the kickstarter watch is a meme, I was mostly curious, and I got it for really cheap, but what is so bad about No(ho)mos?

>>61607831
>but what is so bad about No(ho)mos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q___XnRC-XE

>>61602767

A watch is jewellery also

It would be eccentric but logical to wear a Rolex and not bother to set the time

>>61607831
>What's so bad about Nomos
They are hated by people who dislike Bauhaus watch styling who are are complete horological peasants who see no value in Nomos having made significant R&D and capital investments to become capable of scratch designing and manufacturing in-house escapements and movements.

Since they see no value in movements whatsoever, and so they are mad that Nomos stopped using barely modified Pesaux 7001 movements and selling at a cheaper pricepoint.

>>61607831
>but what is so bad about No(ho)mos?
They had risen their prices some time ago and are considered overpriced by some.
Also, there's a lot of fans of>>61607905 here, who'll tell you that anything cheaper than rolex is shit.

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>>61607470
anyone knows how many mechanical watches Seiko produces?

FT mentions more than 10,000 per year in 2015 [0].
But that sounds very low considering the Japanese Watch industry lobby estimates 2.2 million mechanical ones, tho only valued at 31.8 billion yen. [1]
so like an average selling price of $130. if you go further, for just exports the ASP is $70. and domestic it's $400.
which would mean it's mostly Seiko 5s? or does Citizen have anything sub $100?
and FT prolly mistook Grand Seiko numbers of 10,000 per year with all mechanical ones.

p.s. that would mean there are hardly any 6r15 out there.

[0] https://www.ft.com/content/9f95d770-31f1-11e5-91ac-a5e17d9b4cff
[1] http://www.jcwa.or.jp/en/data/industry/index.html

>>61608171

The vast majority of Seiko's sold have Malaysian 7s26 movements in them.

>>61608104
>They are hated by people who dislike Bauhaus watch styling who are are complete horological peasants
Nomo's movements are the opposite of Bauhaus with all that needless Glasshütte accents.
in actual fact, Bauhaus would use a quartz movement.

>>61608287
sounds unlikely, big watches seem way more popular than small ones, so 7s36.

>>61608314
I was talking about the case/dial/hand styling rather than the movement styling.

>>61607905
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q___XnRC-XE
But when does he talk about why Nomos is bad?

>>61608314
So the quartz Junghans Max Bill is the ultimate Bauhaus watch?

>>61607905
>fuck fuck fuck fucking fuck faking faking fuck

Okay, great video you fat kangaroo

>>61608104
So it's mostly about the internals that people don't like then?

>>61608142
I can understand when people say they are overpriced, but I'm not sure there are other brands that make similar style watches for much cheaper. I might be completely wrong on this though.

>>61608403

All the most popular seiko 5's and skx's use the 7s26 newfriend.

>>61608450
>So it's mostly about the internals that people don't like then?
they are basically a one watch style company. (tangente and variants of it)
they have no tradition: being founded in 1990 by some IT guy.
they sue others over design (stowa) and branding (mühle glasshütte), the later almost killed mühle glasshütte.

>>61608450
I asked these same questions a few days ago, since I was looking at getting a Tangente Gangreserve. Only legitimate arguments I saw were that the price hike and the case not being made in-house (it's Swiss).

>>61608536
'most popular' according to whom?
with an ASP of $70, skx can't sell much.

>>61595533
Lmao senpai a sillicon escapement in an alarm clock would Probably be the most ridiculously overengineered thing you could do to a mechanical alarm clock

>>61607831
>owns kickstarter watch
>wants a HOMOS
>posts a pic of a Tossit

Hoooo boy

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>>61605487
I'm wearing this after wearing a 36mm watch for a while and it does seem a lot bigger than I remember. It's not TOO big or anything, just kind of big. I would never wear a cocktail time though, they look like actual dinner plates.

>>61608450
>I'm not sure there are other brands that make similar style watches for much cheaper
Many manufacturers have "bauhaus" watches. Junkers makes some, Orient recently released two bambino models in that style and there's also mondaine to name few.

>>61608577
My man look at every single watch forum, thread, and post on every website.. go look at youtube videos... every asshole and their mother has an skx and an snk809 or a snk739
what american market watches even use the 7s36? the seiko 5 sports? How many of those do you see in comparison? look at review numbers on amazon m8.. you have no idea what you area talking about.. the 7s6 sells in quantities that are orders of magnitude higher than the 7s36...

>>61608647

Does it actually measure 38mm?

>>61608676
Keep in mind those are people who are into watches. Seiko solar and kinetic is often what is actually being sold in large volume retailers like Costco and department stores.

>>61608654
>Junkers

Thanks for the tip on that, took a quick look and they actually had some very nice looking ones. Not quite similar to the Nomos, but still very nice looking, and about 1/3rd cheaper as well while still being automatic.
They are actually very tempting.

>>61608720
amazon is the largest retailer in the country after Walmart.. seiko solar and seiko kenetic do not use the 7s36..

>>61608719
yes the diameter is 38, lug to lug is 46. I think this is the perfect size.

>>61608744
Yeah, I know, I meant to quote >>61608287

I doubt the vast majority of Seiko watches are sold with any mechanical movement, much less even a specific one.

>>61608676
>My man look at every single watch forum, thread, and post on every website.
so weebos in the US, but Seiko's biggest market is Asia.
remember SKX007 is the Asian market version and the almost identical US version (SKX173) is basically non-existing.

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>>61608719
38mm across the case without the crown, about 35mm for just the bezel

>>61608792
I was only speaking of mechanical watches. But you are of course correct.

>>61608803
The US is the largest mechanical watch market on earth buddy. the skx uses the 7s26 only the japan made skx uses the 7s36 and those produced in fall smaller quantities. I don't know why you are arguing this with no evidence whatsoever... typical wt zoom in on some retarded point and argue it for no reason. im done talking about this.. find data proving you are correct or go away

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>>61608719
About 44.5mm lug to lug. I didn't think to measure thickness but on the internet it says like 11.5mm thick

>>61608865
it is a good size but it just looks like it wears larger than most 38mm watches.. it almost looks like a speedmaster sized watch.

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>>61608874
>find data proving you are correct or go away
already did in >>61608171

>>61608886
Wait until >>61608877
posts a picture wearing a speedmaster before saying that the watch looks speedmaster-sized.

>>61608886
that seiko shitter more looks like a vintage seamaster in a rolex oyster case.

>>61608931
What the fuck is this and how does this prove that seiko sells more 7s36s than 7s26's and how does that prove seiko ships more mechanical watches to asia.. you didn't even provide any fucking context.. Is this in units produced ? purchased? dollar value? who collected the data what does it in include from what year is it from?

>>61609025
your tone is totally inappropriate.
you seem to not have read the previous posts, which provided references and now seem overly defensive about your unsubstantiated claims.

>>61609136
what? Are you fucking retarded? what references? What tone? FUCK ME DEAD.. WORK WITH ME NOT AGAINST ME.

>>61605921
>I don't understand why people buy those expensive over engineered servers, my Hamachi server does exactly the same thing, people are retarded.

>>61609222
instead of being a dick, read the previous posts.
those are consolidated numbers from the Japanese watch lobby, which are more trustworty than any conclusions based on biased forum impressions, which neither match the ASP of $70 and obv live in a filter bubble with all those JDMs.

>>61609551
here's the SARB033 in sales numbers from one of the most popular importers:
https://www.seiyajapan.com/products/s-sarb033
>the SARB033 is a Black dial version of the SARB033, with 841pcsof them being sold last year(04/01/2016-03/31/2017) on Seiyajapan.com. It is our best seller.
if that's the best seller guess how many JDMs he must sell, for which he is one of the very few addresses.

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What is your opinion of /entryleveldivers/ on /leather/? Pls r8 with /fa/ criteria, not /wt/ism criterias (:

>>61610007
/A/m/I/b/e/i/n/g/b/a/i/t/e/d/

>>61609551
m8 a graph with literally no information on it besides percentages . What does that mean ? Are these total Japanese export numbers for all Japanese brands? what does this have to do with seiko mechanical watches and how does this tell me they sold more 7s36 than 7s26 models? This obviously doesn't prove your point at all.

>>61610007
Are those rubber bands? is this bait? are you a homosexual?

Is Swatch a good company?

>>61610134
again, go back to the first post and finally read the reference, which answers most.
then try arguing your point in reference to those figures and don't get all defensive when someone dares to question your US forum hearsay.

>>61610357
sure, Lebanese are like the second best after the Polish (Patek).

>>61610555
You keep saying this magical post has all this information... and its all emptyness. it proves and says nothing. You may actually be retarded. I am not trying to be rude but you should consider not posting as much in the future.

>>61610683
it sure has most, but you seem to only believe in forum posts and can't read any linked primary sources.

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>>61610007

>>61610357
They are certainly a good company in that they were able to not only survive the market crash, but rise up and become one of the, it not the, greatest players in the watch industry. While the Swatch group sells plenty of shitters, and shoddily implemented the co-axial escapement, they still produce a number of fine watches through some of their brands. They may not be haute horology, but they are a very good corporate entity.

>>61610900
>were able to not only survive the market crash
bullshit.
they were founded in 1983 as a result of the quartz crisis that started in the 1970s.

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How many watches do you have in your collection?
I have 6
Casio calculator watch
A MVMT watch
A fifth watch
Seiko 5
A soviet Vostok 2209 (not the military style)
Casio f-91w

>>61611085
21.

>>61611111
Nice digits, but care to tell what are those watches??

>>61610777

Most watches they sell are quartz..
The united states is the largest single market for watches.. asia is a continent. and most people in this market that buy mechanical Seikos buy 7s26.. I am right you are an idiot.

>>61611085
a shitter
a casio ca-53w
vostok 420 case amphibian

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on a scale of 1 to 10 how well does it fit me?

>>61611313
repeating your claims w/o any sources despite Japanese watch lobbies contrary numbers makes you look like an arrogant idiot

>>61611490
Wrong hand you monkey

What is the Orient Star line like?

>>61611549
IT'S FROM THE FUCKING LINK YOU BRAIN DEAD RETARD

>>61611620
Similar to sarb.

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>>61588255
>horology

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>>61590020
I like Seikos and have one myself, but I also like this Hamilton and don't feel at all compelled to buy anything farther up in the Swatch Group's lineup.

>>61611490
like 1/10 because the size is okay

but no points for
falling for the mechanical watch meme
going for the cheapest one possible
totally non-fashionable
getting a color that doesn't harmonize with your skin color at all

>>61611778
Not sure what you mean by this, anon.

>>61605921
>muh CPU
>muh GPU

That's a fucking stupid comparison, though.
Clothing or cars would serve as an appropriate comparison as both come in premium priced luxury varieties that serve as status symbols, don't necessarily have to deliver objectively superior performance to warrant their price, and generally retain their value with proper maintenance, unlike consumer PC parts that are almost exclusively priced according to a single performance metric and have a <5 year lifecycle after which they become (literal) garbage.

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these chinks are getting better at making watches.

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also, should I get a bagelsport? or just settle for 2x $20 quartzes?

>>61611863
that's not how a chronograph is supposed to work

>>61611758
thanks Anon, I just wanted to know if the size was good

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>>61611133
Seiko 5
Seiko SKX009
Seiko SARB033
Seiko Penis Quartz
2 Vostok Komandirskies
Christopher Ward C60 Trident 300
Tissot Seastar (vintage)
Sekonda Deluxe
Vintage Accurist
Tag Heuer F1 midsize
Omega Seamaster Quartz (vintage)
Citizen BM8180
Mickey Mouse watch
Zeppelin LZ127 GMT
Casio Databank
Casio AE-1000W
Casio F-91W
Casio W86
Casio G-Shock GW-M5610
Pulsar PW3001

>>61611828
>That's a fucking stupid comparison, though.
I don't think it is.

Just because there are lot of watches on the market that are egregiously overpriced relative to the quality they deliver doesn't mean that you cannot get much better quality watches as your budget increases.

Not everyone who is interested in watches purchases them as status symbols, some of us are actually interested in their technical merits.

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>>61611911
it's just a $20 quartz watch though and looks fairly cool

this one is $12. and with the small seconds hand it makes it hard to rationalize getting a more expensive mech over a quartz.

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>>61611718
How did I miss it?

>>61612002
>this one is $12. and with the small seconds hand it makes it hard to rationalize getting a more expensive mech over a quartz.
at least get a carbon copy of the original.
those fakes adding their own touches are the worst. they have no taste.

>>61611966
Bloody impressive!

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>>61612145
>at least get a carbon copy of the original.
oh no, they chose blue hands, preposterous

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>>61611966

"Words fail me... this is a superb collection of quality, value for money wristwatches"

>>61612234
Thanks m8.
>>61612662
Kek.

>>61612662
you autists are worse than redditors who shill him

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>>61613474
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>>61613474
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