/cyb/ + /sec/: Cyberpunk and Cybersecurity

>>61298527
The IRC is: irc://irc.rizon.net:6697
This will be added next thread, because I'm a klutz.

This looks good, OP. Also, you're missing the IRC network, I suppose that's because you haven't chosen one yet? Perhaps we could make another poll to choose the server?

>>61298561 see >>61298550.

>>61298561
>>61298550
I guess I posted too fast. Sorry about that.

hi anons

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Reminder to collaborate with NetRunner if you can, modern web browsers are becoming more of a privacy nightmare with each iteration. Use the IRC on Rizon to contact the team.

>>61298580
Hello darkness my old friend

>>61298582
How much progress has been made thus far?

>>61298582
Haven't seen anything on that in a while, kinda curious how it's coming along. Do you have a link to whichever repo changes are/were getting pushed to?

what a renaissance we are going through lads. makes me want to tackle my cyberpunk novel reading list, finally.

>>61298626
One guy got working framebuffer rendering, but I think they were reordering the code, cutting down a bit.

>>61298656
I don't think they publish changes in the repo, they save it until major changes. They even removed a download link to an alpha. I really wanted to test that alpha, this is the kind of browser we all need and I have high expectations.

Reposting for this thread

https://labs.rs/en/exploring-alternative-internets-and-unusual-forms-of-networking-in-havana/

Reading through my networking studies and it's still fucking amazing to me how networking ACTUALLY WORKS, and isn't a figment of someone's imagination.

How the hardware can actually convert the little pulses in the Ethernet cable into usable frames, and then ship it up and down the OSI layers as required by the hardware connected.

It's fucking black magic.

>>61298686
Likewise, I have a very extensive reading list.

>>61298702
So, there is some decent progress?

>>61298708
You really want this in the pasta, don't you?

>>61298729
I think it is the definition of:
>Just works.

>>61298702
I think one of the repos was getting updates for a while, but that might be the removed link you're talking about. Still, glad they're making progress on it

>>61298729
taking a class on it real soon, would rather it than some shitty js class, which as a whole are taking over the cs department at my school.

>>61298795
uni?

>>61298756
>So, there is some decent progress?
Yes, plus we got some pictures of his previous progress.

>>61298771
The link I say was on their website.

>>61298756
Not original anon who posted, it was just posted at the tail end of last thread so why not

I'd say pasta should be reserved for practical info, this is just more of an interest piece.

>>61298855
university of decline to state, but it's just the way it seems to me. webdev is a big field, but not sure why anyone with a cs degree goes into though, when you get bootcamp shitters doing it too.

>>61298867
>Yes, plus we got some pictures of his previous progress.
That's good, as we certainly need a browser to replace Firefox.

>>61298875
Fair enough, thank you for your concern.

Any /cyb/ news?

>>61298618
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyu2jAD6sdo

>>61299421
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTjw96-Z700

>>61299452
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4

>>61299491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OFUiYMU9DM

please stop

>61299421
>61299452
>61299491
>61299524
go away

>>61299524
What a terrible version.

>>61299545
>>61299640
This.

Slowing down already.

what year will i be able to become an immortal robot demigod and how much will it cost

>>61299861
Everyones reading and studying lol

>>61299872
better start saving up

>>61299872
Eternal Skynet servitude.

>>61299876
Well, they should be shitposting on 4chan. :^)

>>61299884
This.

>>61298527
Cyberpunk literally has nothing to do with cybersecurity.

>>61299898
"Science fiction has had an incredible effect on the course of science, especially rigid disciplines such as the various branches of Physics.

Authors like Isaac Asimov inspired generations of scientists who changed the world.

I do not see cyberpunk as any different in its effect on cybersecurity; in many ways, cyberpunk media makes us reflect on many magnitude of human and socio-politica/socio-economic issues regarding technology.

Even the basic application of cybersec skillsets involved in the defacing of a website in defiance of some unethical corporate entity shares a parallel with many cyberpunk themes.

At least to my mind, at base, cyberpunk represents technologies effect on any individual or group's humanity.

In our current age, much of the technology that fits the latter definition resides on the internet (especially in the pseudo-realities created by social media) or in the scope of computer technology.

Cybersec are the disciplines that alllow you to effect the latter change in the technology effecting both your and civilizations humanity.and thus effect your humanity.

Personally, I know that cyberpunk has made me care more (and better recognize my responsibility) in my occupation managing a Cybersec Lab." - >>61227948
Or
">Cyberpunk features cybersecurity alot.
>Our world is becoming cyberpunk and cybersecurity is one of the means to combat it.
>Has nothing to do with it.
What?
You're wrong.
And this is shitty bait." - >>61225840
There's others too, so take your pick and either contribute, or fuck off, contrarian.

>>61299242
Sure.


=== /cyb/ culture News

Cyberpunk grew out of a rather tense 1980's. Since 30 years is one generation it might be interesting to look at the generational change. Or in short, ask

>Whatever happened to Generation X?
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20170316-whatever-happened-to-generation-x

>It’s a familiar and ongoing feud: baby boomers in one corner and millennials in the other. It seems the two generations are constantly at each other’s throats. Less familiar, though, is any mention of that other generation, the one born in between the boomers and the Millennials. Whatever happened to Generation X? Where has it been, that lost generation of people now aged between 35 and 55, first identified back in 1991 by author Douglas Coupland? How has it evolved, and what, if anything, can we learn from it today?

Cyberpunk, the literature, has gone through several generations already, like the golden age with Wm. Gibson, the silver age with Neal Stephenson and the latest round with Richard Morgan.

What will the next bring? BBC isn't too sure.

>>61295602

No. I haven't read the lainzine either. I lurked at .org for a long time and thought about getting involved. Then the drama happened and it seems like much of its soul is gone.
>>61295920
The definition of Red Teaming in Info/Netsec is still pretty fluid. The definition within the Intelligence Community (which is probably where the term originates from) is pretty well defined (though the application of the concept is really broad).

Likewise, team composition and structure varies widely (as it concerns cybersec/penetration testing)..

A large team can be extremely effective (I would say over 5 operators is a larger sized team) but itl depends on the team lead and their capacity to coordinate the actions of their operators.

Personally, I prefer to work alone, but then again I haven't worked on any elite teams (though I would like to in the future, and its in my 5 year plan).

>>61299898
Do you purposefully seek out every one of these threads to say the same fucking thing every time?

>>61300687
Because it's a fact.

>>61300691
And you think if we've ignored it the past 100 times, that we will listen the next 100?

>>61298527
I don't want to be a part of the botnet.

>>61301088
Kill yourself.

>>61298708
>https://labs.rs/en/exploring-alternative-internets-and-unusual-forms-of-networking-in-havana/
This is really coo.

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Questions:

What decentralized wifi meshnet protocol is best? OLSR? 802.11s? B.A.T.M.A.N?

I have some I2P stickers that I'm going to put up through my city. What should I write on them to catch peoples eyes and make them read the URL? I feel like 'INVISIBLE INTERNET' should be something but I don't have anything better.

>>61301294
>What should I write on them to catch peoples eyes and make them read the URL?
Personally, something like "PROTECT YOUR PRIVACY" would catch my eye.

>>61301294
Invisible Internet is pretty cool.
I also like Tunnel of Lies,
DATA HOLE
MESHNET
DO NOT READ
And the forever ruined by /pol/, RED PILL YOURSELF

>>61301335
>DO NOT READ
This is really all you need and human psychology will kick in

>>61301313
>Personally, something like "PROTECT YOUR PRIVACY" would catch my eye.
Right, me too. But normals don't care about that. Getting people into I2P is my first priority. Engageing them in a morale argument I've already lost won't get them to read the rest of the sticker.

>>61300687
He's right, though. Cyberpunk is a fiction genre. Cybersecurity is an actual industry.

IPFS inside I2P SOON
Tox bots via Ratox SOON
URC replacing IRC SOON (https://github.com/majestrate/urc.py)

The future is bright, my friends!

>>61298729
What's a good resource to learn about the basics of networking?

>>61301476
Cybersecurity is an actual industry? Ok, stop, cyber-security is bullshit, a load of nerds who have to go look-up the word's "money laundering" in a dictionary whilst cyberpunk's go implant themselves with NFC chips call it hacking whilst waving laptop's at fast cars so they can apply there breaks or steal there wireless keys. A load of Microsoft tards hiding shit inside hard-disks and a load of more tards who don't understand how wiretapping works!

Do you not understand how phone hacking works or how all hackers are phreakers at heart /g/ Debian is owned by the NSA -->Julian_Assange -->Ian Murdock -->Rupert Murdock (Media Tycoon) so what the fuck is naked C? Oh the phone companys "wire-tap" & Stock Market pumping and dumping via the Banks thanks for clearing that up arsetards!

>>61301949
is this a markov bot

>>61301980
No a Marxist reading the Communist "Manifesto" included in 9front /lib though, a system designed by the Prolitariat to be free from the Bergeouis. Liking the style: "We free you from shit code and the bank!"

>>61301855
>>61301949
>>61302053
Are you okay anon

>>61301855
>>61301949
>>61302053
These are so disjointed yet filled with key nouns that I really feel like I'm reading the output of a pretrained markov bot.

Is C really a good first language?
Isn't it needlessly tedious for a beginner? Why do you people recommend it over a high level scripting language?

hahaha

>>61302426
>Why do you people recommend it over a high level scripting language
Because this is a security general. It's a good choice for a number of reasons though.

>>61302426
As a programming noob whose dabbled off-and-on for years, I honestly find learning C much more fun and engaging than all the times I tried for Python, Lua, etc.

I think its the fact C so intimately tied with the bare-bones of how computers work which adds and extra layer of engagement. I honestly wish I jumped right into C years ago.

>>61302442
>security general.
Python is used a lot in security.
>a number of reasons
Like what?

What's the best antivirus for windows?
Ie. which one is most likely to succeed against NSA/CIA spyware?

>>61302504
If you're actually looking to stop NSA/CIA spyware then you go buy a laptop endorsed by the FSF and play it smart, even then you're probably fucked. On Windows? Antivirus isn't going to stop that particular threat.

Unless you mean the stuff that got leaked like WannaCry. Most modern antivirus can pick that type of stuff up once the signatures have been out for a bit.

>>61302504
>which one is most likely to succeed against NSA/CIA spyware?
None?

>>61302504
None.

>>61302541
>>61302549
That's bullshit.
I'm not asking which one will succeed in 100% cases.
But if antivirus A can detect them with a 0.0001% success rate and antivirus B with 0.0002%, B is clearly better.

>>61302504
>suceed against NSA/CIA spyware

https://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/how-omnipotent-hackers-tied-to-the-nsa-hid-for-14-years-and-were-found-at-last/

read this so you know what you're up agianst lol

>>61302448
Exactly and there no bullshit in C it's as low level as it get's that why they recommend it @>>61302426
@>>61302504
None, all your software is "Kek!" except for C which kick's ass.

>>61302450
You can't write an exploit in any language if you don't understand how computer programs work.

>>61302554
Are you daft? We're saying if it's a three letter agency in particular you're trying to block, you can't, especially with something as mundane as commercial antivirus. Best you can do is take actions to prevent their malware from ending up on your comp at all.

>>61302554

It's not bull-shit.
Most of the software is "Kek!" Mozilla (sorry, Carnivore!) is busy upgrading to Quantum advertising, go fuck your ass Mozilla!

g0t moth-monster?
g0t ACID?
Trippy!

>>61302504
Given that many threats can be embedded in firmware where Windows software cannot reach, your question is like what kind of tonic will cure a broken leg.

Questionable firmware will be in
- CPU and remote units (like iDRAC etc)
- disk drives including USB memory and Flash memory (inside the disk controllers on the drives)
- communication units (SCSI, Ethernet, especially with offload engines, SATA and more)
- Routers, Switches and Hubs
- wireless units of all kinds
- mouse (there is a fairly capable CPU inside), and keyboard

And more. This list is just from the top of my head. I have probably forgotten a lot.

>>61302554
No....AV is made too detect viruses. The NSAs backdoors in your Windows are not even what it looks for.
There are none because you're misunderstanding what you're asking about.

>>61298582
>that shitshow
NEETs actually believe they can write a modern js engine

>>61303043
It doesn't have to be modern. That is not what this whole thing is about.

It is about /sec/.

>>61303127
writing a usable js engine requires ~50 skilled computer scientists, not coders, not NEETs, not pajeets, not meme udemy nanodegree holders

Is it even possible to become anonymous online these days ? or is this guy right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYmfoovHj2Y

>>61303127
Fair point.

>>61300691 and >>61301476 see >>61299918 and:
>There's others too, so take your pick and either contribute, or fuck off, contrarian.

>>61303225
No, he's a YouTube retard LARPing for YouTube.
Sure, you can't be FULLY anonymous.
However, you can have a higher degree of it than dumb-dumb in that video says you can.

>>61301401
>But normals don't care about that.
Yeah, you're right. It was just something I came up with on the spot.

>>61301335
>DO NOT READ
This.

>>61301335
This would work perfectly.

Perhaps it would be a good idea for us to compile a few /sec/ talks that we enjoyed watching to add to the pasta?

I start by suggesting a classic, The Making of Atlas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYOy7CGpPIU

>>61301401
How does one get into I2P?

>>61303127
And that is their plan.

>>61303196
They don't need to write a js engine only reuse one.

>>61302504
I haven't had an antivirus for years and haven't had a problem.

>>61305595
>install i2pd
>use like tor but more filesharing

>>61301294
where did you get stickers? any to spare?

>>61304852
OP here, I'll be adding this and I like the idea.
Suggestions obviously welcome.

Is there any reason to have IPv6 enabled? Should I disable it?

How do I get into cyber security? What should I have in my portfolio and is it possible to have a remote programming job?

I am pursuing a degree, but feel it won't be enough. Just wondering if I could mostly self teach cyber security.

>>61307371
Your first question is answered in the first post in this thread. Perhaps read a little?

Meant to post this in an earlier thread but I forgot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kBlH-DQsEg

I thought this was pretty eye opening when I first saw it.

Alright I need a movie for tonight, what do you recommend? Every website I visit to try and find interesting movies are pretty shit and always give me some """blockbuster""" whatever shitty movie

>>61298527
You can't hide from your corporate masters forever

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>>61307371
>>61064761
This is listed in the pasta, please read the pasta, I don't make the pasta for people to not eat my pasta.
>Pic is me, because you didn't eat my pasta.

>>61307529
Interesting stuff, I'll add it to the pasta also.
Thank you.

>>61307567
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_(1988_film)
Best of the best.

>>61307642
We can and will try!

>>61307837
Okay, but that doesn't answer if I can do remote cybersecurity.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_(1988_film)
>Best of the best.
Already saw Akira and Paprika. Any other cyberpunk anime goodies?

>>61307837
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_(1988_film)
>Best of the best.
thanks, will watch. If you have any other favorites please tell me.

>>61308191
>>61308193
Not him but GitS is another obvious one. As well as Lain, which isn't cyberpunk but references technology and programming a lot.
Texhnolyze deals with transhumanism and the fall of civilization, and has a very oppressive atmosphere. Skip the first episode if you have ADHD.
Psycho-Pass is also pretty good, although it focuses less on the aesthetics and more on dystopia.

If you like manga, you should also check out Blame! and Eden: it's an endless world (/a/ hates the latter because it's edgy, but it's pretty fun nonetheless).

>>61308243
>>61308193
akira manga is also much longer than the film, also as good as the film, if not better

>>61308243
Thanks! I should have asked here in the first place instead of searching on shitty websites

>>61307567
Akira is good.

If you want a whiff of blockbuster that still is good it is hard to beat Sneakers. And try to find all the in-jokes before you look them up.

One hint: that sofa is very comfy.

>>61308243
>Texhnolyze
>Skip the first episode if you have ADHD.
Hell no. Better off not watching it at all.

>>61308927
A lot of people complain about the pacing at the beginning and subsequently drop the show, so I thought it was worth mentioning.
You're right though, if you can't deal with that kind of slowness, then I guess Tex isn't for you.
Which is too bad, given how beautiful and devastating the last four episodes are.

>>61308969
I think the very core of what Texhnolyze gets at is so important in today's society its not even funny. It's criminally underrated IMO.

>>61308969
>A lot of people complain about the pacing

Only /a/utists who need moeshit to keep them interested

I unironically and genuinely enjoy Mr Robot and it's hacking scenes.

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>>61303225
sounds like this guy probably/or has worked for the state. he is essentially a "cia nigger" if i've ever seen one

>>61299872
this is my goal. in the meantime i think it would be optimal to work out a deal where our life insurance payout would be directed to an account (or trust fund or whatever) to pay a cryostorage company to keep our body if we ever die in the meantime. i think its 80k for brain and 180k for whole body.

>>61302504
windows is spyware
(i have a gaymen desktop dedicated for windows, i call it my windows box. i use kvm swtich for laptop with qubes whenever i use monitor/keyboard/mouse here and then unplug and go whenever i need to carry on)

>>61306916
i don't know much about anything but i'd say disable it if you are not using it.

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>>61306916
Turn it off for now. The standards are unstable, and there's this wonderful toolkit called thc-ipv6. Go take a look at some of the tools and what they do to things that use ipv6.

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>>61307567
Ghost in the Shell 1995 is pretty nice.

>>61309284
I enjoy the show as a whole, but cringe at times at the "hacking" scenes, showing super basic CLI commands and writing bash scripts lol

This thread is actual cancer.

"Don't call yourself a ‘cyberpunk’, and don't waste your time on anybody who does."

Learn to become a real hacker, you faggots. Stop larping and using other people's tools.
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html

>>61310359
>real hacker is an OSS developer
Yeah no.

>>61310393
>real hacker is a faggot who runs metasploit and hides behind a faggy handle
yeah no.

>>61308243
fug I'm 7 min into the first episode of Texhnolyze. So weird. Weird doesn't even qualify it.
Please tell me the whole anime is not like that

>>61310402
What is a real hacker then?

>>61310415
Read this, nigga.

http://catb.org/jargon/html/

Stop stealing our terms.

>>61310359
>>2. No problem should ever have to be solved twice.
Do you even read the shit you post?

>>61310415
most likely someone who goes around shitposting to show how cool they are

>>61310426
Go back to your stupid Hackathons where you make cool projects like a really nice JS application in the newest JS meme. Feel free to stay away from these threads.

>Stop stealing our terms.
You're as fucking wrong as niggers when they talk about culture appropriation. Now fuck off.

>>61310426
shut the fuck up retard
your average OSS developer is a dumb code monkey, not a hacker by even catb definitions

catb definitions dont exclude the kind of hacking here either despite what you may think about "cracking" and such.

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>>61310493
>>61310615
>implying I'd ever touch js
>implying you'd even be posting here without OSS developers
>implying

>>61310714
>implying I ever said anything wrong about OSS devs

You're the one in the wrong here, retard, just go away before you fail even harder.

>>61310714
>implying i ever said anything about open source not being valuable
>implying implication

Anyone play shadowrun returns?

>>61310359
>An MIT hacker is the same as a 'modern' hacker.
And that's how I know your opinion is worthless, as you know nothing about the subject.

any cyberpunkfags interested in drawings of lain?
been drawing on paper so far but planning on using a drawing tablet, wanna know if anyone would be interested in using them for /cyb/ + /sec/ threads or just in general.

>>61311597
>interested in drawings of lain?
I do not understand this subs fascination with this subpar series.

GITS was way more cyberpunk.

>>61310426
>Stop stealing our terms.
>our terms.
>our
lol

>>61311637
I didn't understand it at first, but it's a great anime to watch, puts into perspective how anyone can control identity, anyone can manipulate who they are, and how you can easily fall into a situation where you screw yourself over into a botnet.

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Daily reminder that a large egg contains 6 grams of protein, and protein is useful for building / maintaining muscle and general body growth.

Eat an egg or two, scramble them, boil them, sunny side up them, omelette them, fry them, whatever floats your egg (though eggs don't float).

cryptocurrency is cyb
buy eth now, its good for you

>>61310359
read the line above that one

>>61312049
Lawl it's tanked hard as fuck the past month

People are dumping it as they realise nothing has been created on the eth framework, and their alt coin tokens are useless

thinkpad x200 coming in tomorrow, what should I put on it, Gentoo or Arch? Coreboot or Libreboot? and things like that.

OP, you here right now?

>>61312665
libreboot it for sure
then run whatever you like on it anon, its your computer

i updated my about:config as per the paste and now css is wonky? what setting is this? i can't see to find it

>>61311788
I love eggs.
This is a great post.

>>61312722
I am here right now, but not for long.
Proof:
>From pasta: https://pastebin.com/NaUPUDF0
>Proof: https://pastebin.com/Zk1HF7QR
I really need to get a PGP signature for this.

>>61313905
I found a few more things I thought you'd like to add to the pasta next time, but couldn't post it because 4chan kept saying it was spam. Nevertheless, here it is:
https://ghostbin.com/paste/b9abs

>>61313954
>>61313905
And this too:
https://b-mueller.gitbooks.io/the-owasp-mobile-security-testing-guide/content/

Since I haven't seen any mobile-related stuff in the pasta.

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>>61313954
Good lord, anon, this is some beautiful resource.
Thank you, this will fit perfectly and certainly elucidate exploitations.
Good job.
>Pic is me seeing the exploit diagram for the first time.

>>61313982
Yes, we are lacking on that.
Thank you again.

>>61308969
fuck those people

>>61313954
this is a fantastic roadmap, I've only just begun my journey into the wilds of binary exploitation and this is perfect.

>>61314007
You're welcome. Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk-21p2m8YY

As per my suggestion at >>61304852.

>>61314212
Indeed it is, anon. I'm quite satisfied that I found it as well, as I'm starting now, struggling quite a lot but I'm sure that's what I want, so I'll just keep working on it. Good luck on your journey. Cheers.

>>61314233
This looks good, I've already added:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYOy7CGpPIU
And am curreny watching:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kBlH-DQsEg
As I like to vet it before adding it to the pasta.
I'll give:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk-21p2m8YY
A review afterward.
Though, from a cursory glance, I'll probably be adding it.

>>61307567
Sorry for being late but

/sec/ Movies:
>Sneakers (1992)
>The Net (1995)
>Takedown (2000)
>The Fifth Estate (2013)
>Blackhat (2015)
>Enemy of the State (1998)
>Hackers (1995)
>WarGames (1983)
>WarGames: The Dead Code (2008)

/cyb/ Movies:
>The Machine (2013)
>Johnny Mnemonic (1995)
>The Matrix (1999)
>Chappie (2015)
>Elysium (2013)
>Virtuosity (1995)
>The Lawnmower Man (1992)
>Lawnmower Man 2: Beyond Cyberspace (1996)
>The Terminator (1984)
>Blade Runner (1982)

/g/ Movies:
>Disconnect (2012)
>Antitrust (2001)
>Pirates of Silicon Valley (1999)
>Office Space (1999)
>Her (2013)

BONUS, Documentaries:
>We Steal Secrets: The Story of WikiLeaks (2013)
>TPB AFK: The Pirate Bay Away from Keyboard (2013)
>Revolution OS (2001)
>Terms and Conditions May Apply (2013)
>Hackers: Wizards of the Electronic Age (1984)
>The Internet's Own Boy: The Story of Aaron Swartz (2014)
>Hackers Wanted aka Can You Hack It ( (2009)
>New York City Hackers (2000)
>Citizenfour (2014)
>BBS: The Documentary (2005)
>Get Lamp (2010)
>All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace (2011)
>From Bedrooms to Billions (2014)
>RiP: A Remix Manifesto (2009)
>The Net - The Unabomber, LSD and the Internet (2003)
>The Cyberpunk Educator https://archive.org/details/cyberpunkeducator

>>61311637
And Texhnolyze is the endgame of cyberpunk anime.

>>61314355
Good list.

>>61314402
Thanks.

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>>61301784
K U R O S E
U
R
O
S
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This son of bitch will tear that little boypucci you call your brain.

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>>61301784
>>61314509
I mean look at this smug motherfucker, he knows you can't handle his thick rod of basic networking mastery

>>61310048
ohgod please tell me there's a higher resolution version of this, reverse image search gets me a res just a bit smaller than yours

>>61314848
I picked it up from a /comfy/ thread on r9k. I am led to believe it was taken by the poster himself.

>>61314942
Ask him to take a higher resolution one, please.

Still up?

>>61315535
We up

I know there's a specific mindset needed to get into this field.

How would someone who sits around gaming all day, does minimal coding at times, has a motivation problem, and for whatever reason, is better at biology/physics fare in this kind of field, SHOULD they manage to fix some of their problems?

>>61310412
Well, the other episodes have some dialogue and become gradually less atmospheric if that's what's bothering you.

I don't know why, but I am fantasizing alot about having a gf which I only penetrate her asshole repeatedly everyday until I come inside and cuddle her up like a pillow I have buttplugged with my dick deep inside while grabbing her up by the pussy

>>61314355
Some great media getting me through an all nighter so I can make my deadline.

Thanks anon.

>>61313905
Also https://lwn.net/Security/ is continuously updated with events, incidents and more.

>>61316242
Just simplify it to "Do I want to learn this or not?" And make the neccessary adjustments.

>>61316242
>has a motivation problem
There is your problem. Work in /sec/ required monk like dedication. Day and nigh, all year round. If you slip up you will lose your edge immediately. Few lines of work require so much continuous, and that IS continuous, hard work and study.

>>61317522
interesting take, anon

>>61316521
oi you

do you think wargames are a good way to learn or a wanky waste of time

i find them fun, but if they arent inherently useful ill cut them away and just focus on real study

also is violent python an entry level book or nah cause its recommended everywhere in sec forums but i cant code for shit aye.

>>61314355
Add this to the FAQ.

>>61317522
>what is IP
>what are cookies
>what are browser dimension, flash, html5 canvas fingerprints, biometric identification through typing speed, device model/info, spywarez
They still know it's you.

>>61318438
>implying you use burners on your own gear
Seriously nigger

>>61318438
you can spoof all that

>>61318548
>use burner to create gmail
>throw burner away because IT'S A BURNER
>no longer have access to fake gmail

OR

>take gmail onto real device

Choose one

>>61318561
No shit but it's a ridiculous process and almost completely strips functionality on any modern site.

Embrace the botnet or go full tinfoil hat mode. I'm sick of seeing fags halfway in between like "hurrr me is secure xD"

>>61318838
then why are you in a /cyb/ + /sec/ thread?

Do any of you know of a good Unbound installation tutorial for a retard like me?
If I understand how this works correctly I'll be able to to my DNS queries directly with the root servers without using my ISP DNS server or for example OpenDNS.
Also I running Arch and there is something called resolvconf (not resolv.conf) that is used to modify the /etc/resolv.conf file. I don't know how this works exactly

>>61320036

$ sudo pacman -S dnscrypt-proxy
$ sudo vim /etc/dnscrypt-proxy.conf ## modify ResolverName with dns server of your choice (ns0.dnscrypt.is is good)
$ sudo vim /etc/resolv.conf
replace all with
nameserver 127.0.0.1
#nameserver 208.67.222.222
#nameserver 208.67.220.220 (opendns fallback, uncomment if needed)
$ sudo systemctl enable dnscrypt-proxy.service
$ sudo systemctl start dnscrypt-proxy.service
$ sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
(do chattr -i if you want to edit it again)

Was that so difficult?

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>>61298527
Found the old pastebin from the /fucko/ threads we used to have. A lot of the links are relevant to /sec/. Pic related was in there.
https://pastebin.com/rdwhnMUp

>>61321557
>make windows secure
fucking /v/ faggots

>>61321557
Windows is backdoored, even with all of this, it will never be secure.

>>61320118
If you're going to act smug, at least do tell why you're not using unbound when the question's about unbound?
>>61320036
The arch wiki's tutorial is pretty straightforward https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Unbound

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>>61321963
Why does the backdoor matter? If the network your machine is on is locked down and configured properly, no one can connect to it without your authorization anyway, so they can't exploit the backdoor.

>>61322140
k

>>61322140
Do you even know what backdoor means?

>>61318438
>biometric identification through typing speed
I should write up something that delays all real input (though still displaying as if normal), then after .5 seconds of not typing outputs it instantly so all they know is someone is using said program

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>>61322319
I had kind of a similar (altho more ghetto) idea of writting everything in the adress bar then copy/paste in text fields, but in the end that's just another metric, there's probably too few people that do this.

Stupid question. On the about:config pastebin it says to change some of the values to ""
Does this mean to make blank?

>>61322128
Because dnscrypt is better. Simple.

>>61322319
Keyscrambler does this on Windows. There's probably apps for GNU/Linux

>>61302426


sorta, it's difficult to actually do a lot in C but the fundamentals are no better learned elsewhere than K&R

K&R is such a good book even for beginners


if you're a literal retard and aren't actually going to go anywhere in programming read zed shaw's trash where you can get through literally 30 'lessons' and still have not learned how to make a loop

all i can say is that i learned fundamentals of programming extremely quickly when i was a teen and learning C via K&R

>>61322610
k

>>61322128
>>61322610
Wasn't Unbound different than DNSCrypt? Like one is a dns resolver and the other encrypts dns?

Because BIND was what Unbound is replacing, right?

>>61322467
also, it says to set browser.rights.3.shown to 3 even though it's a boolean

>>61322789
"Unbound is a validating, recursive, and caching DNS resolver."
"DNSCrypt encrypts and authenticates DNS traffic between user and DNS resolver."
DNSCrypt has a local DNS cache feature, I do not know how both compare. Generally, they seem to be used together.

>>61322843
That is what I thought. But why was BIND replaced?

>>61322674


also just to complain further, zed shaw's garbage, which only gained fame because it sounds cool and edgy, has you brute memorizing a bunch of fundamental shit 3 times or so before you even get to loops. so brute memorizing how to evaluate conditionals, etc

it's super fucking stupid. this is coming from someone who brute memorizes very easily, but i can tell you right now that memorizing truth tables is straight retardation, it need to be understood fundamentally. i believe he also endlessly stresses learning arbitrary string formatting for like literally 10 lessons. it's total garbage and actually sabotage to someone's learning because it's so inefficient and useless

but in general i don't really think python is a good beginner language. at least when i last used it, the docs were barely existent and the commonly recommended learning resources were his garbage

C and K&R is the best. zed shaw is a probable retard just judging by his published tutorials. he's also a super hothead egoist apparently, so he's exactly the type of guy to just type whatever he thinks without validating if it's useful information to a newb or not


ok anyway i just wanted to complain about that since i remember at some point people would recommend his bullshit, even though in hindsight i can very easily see it's either retardation or sabotage

>>61323026
Is it useless to try to memorize syntax then?
And why is K&R so good? Doesn't it assume you already know how to program

>>61322192
>>61322244
I do, but there's multiple kinds. One that allows remote connection, one that bypasses encryption, one that bypasses authentication, etc. Which one does Windows allegedly have? If you think all that is possible no matter what, you're wearing a tinfoil hat.

>>61322867
because bind is a complete dns server and so it get it's load of security requirements, while it was only used as a resolver, so they picked unbound to do just that

also iirc bsd didn't wanted to get python in their system

>>61323130
No python? Nice.

>>61323092
windows definitely has 1 and 3, whether the crypto is backdoored is up for debate but I wouldnt be surprised

the only way its feasible is by only using tcp and only connecting to whitelisted known-good hosts

>>61323092
>>61323191
also you're a fucking idiot

>>61323057

it's useless to brute memorize anything that needs to be understood fundamentally i guess. syntax for concatenating strings doesn't need 10 lessons, you'll learn it gradually anyway. syntax is basic in the first place, it doesn't require brute memorization and you'll pick it up as you go, or you won't be able to compile anything. what zed 'egoist retard who shouldnt be teaching' shaw does is ask you to fill a page of paper from memory of basic programs you've wrote under his guidance. at least that's what a friend told me he was doing when he was learning ruby.

K&R is extremely straight forward and basic. and gradually expands. i don't really think it assumes you know how to program, i learned from it without knowing. i might've looked up tutorials on declaring variables at best before reading K&R, but that's covered anyway. i was like 15 when i learned from K&R, if you're an adult you can do it very easily i would imagine

i don't mean read the whole thing of course, maybe up until pointers or structs or something. it would serve you well to learn those, but i didn't and it's kinda confusing at that point because you understand the fundamentals, but won't know how to actually make anything useful


i just think python is really bad for a beginner because everything is so shorthand that it's basically a scripting language, and glossing over must-know fundamentals like data types / data structures is just not good for a beginner. it might be "EASIER" to do stuff, but you won't understand what you've done

but as a beginner you just want to focus on understanding the bare basics of what's in the first 4 chapters or K&R or whatever. variables, functions, flow control, evaluating conditionals. optionally structs, pointers, and bitwise logic. from then on you could switch to java and learn OOP fundamentals and have a really good bearing on how to program in general. after that data structures and algs i think. tldr a lot of resources are bad but k&r is best

>>61323279
>you understand the fundamentals, but won't know how to actually make anything useful
what if you finish K&R?

>>61323191
>>61323220
How would that be feasible when you have no idea how their alleged backdoors function? You're making stuff up. Are they these magical perfect backdoors or aren't they?

Lol ya I'm an idiot for challenging your precious conspiracy theories. I've seen the Snowden leaks, I've read ex microsoft employee testimonials, I've looked closely at the product and controls that can be placed around it, and I'm really not convinced.

>>61323388
>alleged backdoors

Do not reply to this guy, you all know where he is going.

>>61323314

don't think it covers networking or making anything with a UI exactly. i forget what's in the later contents. the beginning is such an excellent straight forward resource for people who don't have any programming knowledge tho, i cant stress it enough. i'm too lazy to actually program though, i just know how after all this time, which is why i care about what resources are actually effective or not. the contents all in all are probably very useful to know, but you won't be making anything useful as a noob with just that knowledge, you'll need to learn how to use libs or just switch to a langauge where making things is easier. by useful i don't mean it exactly like that, just anything beyond a console app that can perform basic calculations or whatever

beej's network programming guide seemed pretty good though, but you'll need to know how to use pointers and understand data structures a bit to use it

i went through a lot of shitty retard tutorials that would have you doing tedious, useless garbage like memorizing the various ways you can manipulate strings without actually learning a tad bit about programming. that stuff is auxiliary and it serves you best to learn it later. for whatever reason idiots like zed shaw think they should be teaching absolute beginners, but they are not really fit for the job

anyway i should just keep this relic knowledge to myself since the current resources are basically sabotage to beginners, and the less actual funtional programmers on the market the more it benefits me probably

>>61323388
Having ANY software with ANY backdoor, even an imperfect one (the likelihood) is unacceptable and by using that backdoored software, you're supporting it, even if you pirate that software, you're still creating a demand for it.
Stop using backdoored software, even if (you think) you can render the backdoor practically useless.
Why take the risk?

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How are they writing malware/rats on win10?

As I understand all you need is basic win api manual + c++ compiler and basic understanding of network and tcp/ip stack.

but...
Windows 10 with windows defender + non admin user account seems to be very secure.

I am not sure how can you even get infect right now, its not xp era anylonger

>>61298527
Here's a bunch of relevant OLDSCHOOL hacker shit on Textfiles.com

http://www.textfiles.com/hacking/
www.textfiles.com/phreak/

>>61323388
yes you are indeed a fucking idiot

>>61323479
I don't do windows exploitation so I don't know
but the largest and best attack vector is the user, who is invariably fucking retarded

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>>61323455
I agree, but since there's no way to be sure if there's a backdoor in a given software or not, you really can't avoid it. My initial argument was just that these backdoors aren't magic, you can properly configure your setup such that it is impossible any backdoor could function. And if I'm wrong about that then backdoors are invisible gods and everything we're doing is pointless.

>>61323424
If no one can prove it, how are they not alleged?

>>61323612
Excellent argument, I cannot defeat you.

>>61323656
point me to 3rd party audit of microsoft code please

im going to stick with my assumptions because they are based on known facts and I have no proof otherwise

leave and never come back dumb shill

which is easier to install, gentoo or arch?

>>61323700
I'm not saying the backdoors aren't there, I'm saying it's not proven, so they are alleged. You're arguing semantics, not the main point.

Believe whatever you want because no one knows either way, my main point in the first place was that you can work around any possible backdoors with proper configuration. But everyone is ignoring that part for some reason.

>he's saying windork backdoors arent proven! microsoft is ebil we all know that! SHIIIILLLLL!!!!

>>61323772
arch
literally just copy from the wiki and you're done

gentoo isnt really hard but it takes longer

>>61323818
>work around any possible backdoors with proper configuration
if proper configuration is unplugging the network then ok sure.

>>61323832
>if proper configuration is unplugging the network then ok sure.
I'm having a really hard time believing I'm the fucking idiot around here. I guess Microsoft has access to the entire world's most secure information including the governments of every nation. Impressive.

>>61323960
>the worlds governments use microsoft encryption for their most secure information
yes, you are the idiot

I'd also like to point out that I never said microsofts encryption is purposefully backdoored.
windows auth is either trivial to defeat or absolutely backdoored

i can tell you really love to gulp down that ms ecosystem sperm though, so keep on doing that

>>61324074
While I enjoy continuing to piss off linuxfags by implying windows is usable securely, can we talk about the main point?

Alright, let's say windows auth is fully backdoored, (((they))) can get into any windows comp no problem. How do they connect with them to do so in the first place, if the network is configured properly?

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>>61318212
I am the one working on that FAQ. Many entries are good but I don't agree with all. I am however open to discussions. (I cannot comment on /sec/, just /cyb/)

/cyb/ Movies:
>The Machine (2013)
- why is this /cyb/? AI, sure but that is not enough.

>Johnny Mnemonic (1995)
- yes. Not the best movie but still there due to Wm Gibson.

>The Matrix (1999)
- definiteky.

>Chappie (2015)
- AI, data intrusion and grime, but is it /cyb/?

>Elysium (2013)
- really??

>Virtuosity (1995)
- got a good argument?

>The Lawnmower Man (1992)
- I saw this one. Fancy graphics for its time but still cannot see this is /cyb/

>Lawnmower Man 2: Beyond Cyberspace (1996)
- same. Apparently this film was dire.

>The Terminator (1984)
- good movie but is it /cyb/?

>Blade Runner (1982)
- definitely

/g/ Movies:
>Disconnect (2012)
>Antitrust (2001)
>Pirates of Silicon Valley (1999)
>Office Space (1999)
>Her (2013)
- not sure about any of these, got a good argument?


BONUS, Documentaries:
>We Steal Secrets: The Story of WikiLeaks (2013)
>TPB AFK: The Pirate Bay Away from Keyboard (2013)
>Revolution OS (2001)
>Terms and Conditions May Apply (2013)
>Hackers: Wizards of the Electronic Age (1984)
>The Internet's Own Boy: The Story of Aaron Swartz (2014)
>Hackers Wanted aka Can You Hack It ( (2009)
>New York City Hackers (2000)
>Citizenfour (2014)
>BBS: The Documentary (2005)
>Get Lamp (2010)
>All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace (2011)
>From Bedrooms to Billions (2014)
>RiP: A Remix Manifesto (2009)
>The Net - The Unabomber, LSD and the Internet (2003)
- the focus is /cyb/, these seem to be a but peripheral.

>The Cyberpunk Educator https://archive.org/details/cyberpunkeducator
- probably.

>>61298708
very interesting read thanks

Which distro is better for security, Alpine or Arch? Currently those are the two I'm deciding between, but I'm open to more options.

>>61324259
It used to be also in Europe that software (legit and not) was distributed by parcels full of tapes. It was cheap, efficient and quick. The bandwidth of the tapes were pretty good compared to the bandwidth available back then. Even today many West European countries have third world standard telecom capacities.

>>61324421


arch is not secure lol

if youre interested in security it depends whether you mean apps phoning home or actual security. apps phoning home i guess any linux is better since you can control what you put on your system, but actual kernel security in most linux distros is weak by default, weaker than windows for sure. not just in terms of 0days but in having basic security features enabled. 'hardened' editions fix that though i think

>>61324508
I was referring to kernel security. Thank you for the input.

What's the most secure OS anyway? OpenVMS?

>>61324622
windows vista

>>61324622
windows 10 just uninstall windows defender

>>61324622
Qubes? maybe?1

May I ask for tips about LXC, fellow mates? I've been trying this days to get used to it (using debian) but I can't resolve anything it pops out and I don't want to copy paste any command from the net blindy. Thanks in advance.

>>61324223
Okay, how many of those movies have you seen? Just on the first movie I assume you miss some of the plot like cyborgs and espionage, and maybe one can forget about Virtuosity being a former convict chasing a crazy AI. But Lawnmover Man 2 should be more on the classic /cyb/ although is not for everyone's taste. Like maybe Elysium isn't of your taste, can I confirm? But yes, some of those movies are elementary /cyb/ without delving deep which make them on the radar, and I think here is comes the problem because it doesn't fit 100% one convention.

Also movies won't appeal to all but there is another guy who maybe like it, as cyberpunk is liked only to part of the population (sadly). But thinking it twice, there are part of the cyberpunk culture which can be liked by all, like the high tech.

By the way, Office Space is like quintessential /g/, very meta.

>>61301335
I2P does not have anything to do anything with meshnets though.

>>61306648
I got I2P stickers when I made a donation to them. You put 'stickers please' as a note with your donation. They sent me a bunch.

>>61323479
Here's something you're not gonna like

I cooked up an exploit in msfvenom that's a simple meterpreter reverse shell plus ONE basic obfuscator from msfvenom.

It works on every single platform I've run it on. Fully patched XP, fully patched 7 with MSE, fully patched 8 with Trend, fully patched 10 with whatever it is 10 comes with. OS Sierra under wine.

It's two BASIC modules from msfvenom; a tool that's under the microscope because of metasploit, and you can STILL make combos that aren't picked up by AV.

That made me realise you aren't secure from SHIT. It was fucking terrifying, to be honest. I'm going to MD5 everything I download from now on.

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>>61324223
As a newbie, I wil ltry to debate the ones I saw.

>Chappie (2015)
- AI, data intrusion and grime, but is it /cyb/?
If we follow the High Tech Low Life the main character gets mixed up with the poor and criminal people, so I think it has that /cyb/ touch there.

>Elysium (2013)
- really??
Poor people on Earth dying from disease and almost slavered, rich people on the cool spacestation. I think it is pretty /cyb/

>The Terminator (1984)
- good movie but is it /cyb/?
I think I see your point here, but I guess you can get the /cyb/ feeling from the future Terminator comes from. But I think I mainly agree with you.

I'm adding something from my own crop I had laying around.

>>61324074
>the worlds governments use microsoft encryption for their most secure information
>yes, you are the idiot

Hi matey. Defence contractor here with a higher security clearance than you'll ever attain.

XP and server 03 for restricted, 7 and server 2012 for secret and above.

Also I'm not going to take anything you say seriously recommending someone follow arch from the wiki. I bet you feel like a real smarty pants for being able to follow those directions, don't ya? Part of an elite group of """POWER USERS""" cause you run arch, assembled by someone else's wiki.

>>61324178
Because the modems and routers are backdoored as well.

>>61324223
>The Terminator (1984)
> good movie but is it /cyb/?
Every bit as much as blade runner

>>61325956
Not sure if I can take you seriously at all.

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>>61325911
Terminator stays, is every bit cyb. Have another guide, only thing worth from other chan.

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Am I cyberpunk yet?

>>61325956
>this entire post

do you feel better lying on the internet anon?
projecting your own ego onto me?
fuck off

>>61326124
10/10 my curiosity itches

>the closest thing to a good cyberpunk MMO is Warframe
how depressing

>>61326213
Jokes aside now I'm wondering if I can grind it down enough to actually have it warm up via USB then keep my drinks warm with it

>>61324223
Can we add manga to this list?
>Blame!
>Biomega
are the absolute epitome of /cyb/

>>61326188
>do you feel better lying on the internet anon?
Yes, it makes me and my uncle at Nintendo very happy

>>61324178
>>61325956
Source:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Market_share_by_category
Extract: Market share by category:
>Smartphone, tablet: 68.31% (Android)
>Server: 66.6–37% (of the known-for-sure lower bound of Linux share: Ubuntu 35.8%, Debian 31.9%, CentOS 20.6%, Red Hat (RHEL) 3.3%, Gentoo 2.7%, Fedora 0.9%)
>Supercomputer: 99.79% (Custom)
>Mainframe: 28% (SLES, RHEL) - 72% (z/OS) UNIX System Services
>Embedded: 29.44% (Android plus other non-Android Linux) - 4.29% (QNX) - 13.5% - 11.65% (WCE 7)
Whoa, look how important Windows (isn't) outside of normies personal computers.
Corporations, governments and obviously the military use either it, UNIX-like or in-house.
But mostly Linux for everything apart from embedded and mainframes, which is mostly z/OS (UNIX).
So no, you fuckheads, stop lying to try and win an argument on a Mexican chili cooking forum.

Slow thread.

>>61327027
>Slow thread
>Last bump 38 minutes before your post

>>61327040
So, yes, a slow thread.

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>>61298550
Is this the full link? I always just redireted to Rizons default channel when I try to connect with Rizon IRC's on hexchat. What gaives?

>>61327132
4U

>>61327169
lrn2irc

>>61326575
>>61326188
>>61326016
Have any of you actually had a job before..?

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>>61298582
you're the laughingstock of many boards.

>>61327206
Ya, never bothered with it before. How retarded am I being though? Feels like its so simple nobodies ever written it out before.

>>61327297
There is a perfectly good guide in the OP for people who like you is starting in IRC, read it.

>>61327264
i was in the armie for seven years right out of highschool
self employed since then
so no, I've never had a proper job

I just got acquired an old computer. Any ideas on what to do with it?

>>61327363
*just aquired, oops

>>61327308
>https://pastebin.com/YDbEWRHV
Wow so the answer to how retarded am I is "Absolutely immensley retarded."

Thanks anon. I've read many of the links from the OP so I honestly haven't looked at it in forever.

>>61327363
Give it back Jamal

>>61324223
>/Cybsec/
>Citizenfour is peripheral
You haven't seen it have you

>>61327636
Dont trust the construction workers on your block.

>>61327363
Im currently in the process of turning an old machine into a PFsense firewall. But shit, theres a million and a half things you cn do with an old machine. How old we talking?

>>61327700
>How old we talking?
2009 or so. It's got a lot of dust built up so I need to clean it first, but other than that it works fine.

>>61327335
>was in the armie for seven years right out of highschool
Then you should know crypto codes are stored on windows servers.

>>61327736
Im just a cyb sec noob but I recently came into position of a hanful of laptops and desktops so I've been assembling myself a personal network for practicing sysadmin, pen testing, and the likes as well as setting up myself a file server for me and my friends to access (im a bit of an info hoarder). So idk, theres some ideas. newest of them is 2010.

What are your thoughts on lainchan and other imageboards? Do you like to use any?

>>61328455
Just the cyb/sec gen. this and /retro/ are all I come to 4chan for. And sometimes to laugh at people on arcanine.

All other boards; lain (jp and org), that Kev that's shilled, and a few others are SO SLOW you might as well talk to the wall. This is the best one ive found.

The bitter irony of making a post saying how this is more active then other boards and having it drop 6 pages is not lost on me.

>>61328890
dead zone m8

hey /cyb/ + /sec/, just got a new laptop, what langauge should i learn for programming? C for security or just Python to get basics down?

>>61329261
install Linux and fuck with that

>>61329365
already have, and am, anon. after installing arch im going to encrypt my hdd and harden it. I want a langauge that i can start off that'll get me a job and that'll help me stay secure

>>61329380
If you wanna get a job, go for Python and/or JS. But I suggest you learn C in your spare time just for fun.

>>61329261
>>61329380
Read the OP, this is covered explicitly.

>>61329261
Fuck python, perl is better anyway.

>>61329261
Python for security or just C to get basics down

>>61329261
Bash > C > Python > Assembly

>>61329462
This.
If you can't get Jason Bourne out of his shell again, you'll never be able to defeat the Russians. ;)

>>61329499
This is an extremely interesting phrase

>>61329597
This is why you need to learn Bash; fear the Red Menace.

>>61329261
C is indispensable for causing the CVEs

>>61329808
>General
>>61329655
>>61329597
>>61329499
>>61329462
>>61329453
>>61329424
>>61329415
So, this thread will soon be at bump limit.
Therefore:
The thread is dead, long live the thread: >>61330215

>>61330231
You are going to sleep so you make a new thread now, don't you?

>>61330611
It'll soon be five here and I have a lot of studying to catch up on.
So yes.

>>61330660
Nighty nighty

>>61330713
Thanks, hunny. <3

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>>61332250
I, too, love Mindless Self Indulgence.

>>61325568
>Okay, how many of those movies have you seen?
About a third. That is not so important since I don't want my personal tastes to determine the list. That is why I ask for inputs. And I only saw the trailers for Elysium and teh Wiki and IMDB entries for them.

>Also movies won't appeal to all but there is another guy who maybe like it, as cyberpunk is liked only to part of the population (sadly).
Exactly. For instance I saw Tetsuo the Iron Man and I still hate it. Nevertheless it is an important part of Japanese Cyberpunk works.

>>61325911
if the only criterion is "high tech low life" we will also have most of future war movies also fall within this scope. The borders are fuzzy, sure, like Minority Report getting close due to the PDK link while Inception also has the "hat is real?" aspect but probably isn't.

>>61326077
>Terminator stays, is every bit cyb.
Care to say why?

>>61325985
As above. Terminator has high tech, possibly average life and future war.

>>61326268
>Can we add manga to this list?
Sure. And many anime has a corresponding manga root. YKK is on the list.
>>Blame!
>>Biomega
>are the absolute epitome of /cyb/
OK, care to expand on why?


>>61327636
>>/Cybsec/
>>Citizenfour is peripheral
>You haven't seen it have you
True. And it was under Bonus, not /cybsec/. Still, as I wrote at the top I am receptive to a good argument for inclusion.