/pmp/ Portable Media Players

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First for IT OPENS.

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If your media player doesn't have physical controls you're fucking retarded.

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Who /xduoox3/ here?

>>61290794
Had to trim some news, wanted to add these /csg/+/pmp/ finds
• Walnut v3 to have a touch screen and 2.5mm balance >>61257643
• Also a new Zishan uses same DAC as AK380 (which costs $3200) >>61257699

>>61291095
Parts really mean nothing if you don't know how to implement them properly.

>>61291095
• Anon owns a Walnut V2 and Zishan Z1, prefers the Walnut over the Zishan >>61258120

>>61291121
We'll have to wait until someone reviews it to find that out of course. Curious to see if they're really keeping the same pricepoint of the Walnut V2 for the V3 even with a touch screen.

/g/s thoughts on the Sansa Fuze+?

>>61291063
Who the fuck designed the controls on that piece of shit? Putting next/previous on either side of the play/pause button (though not necessarily in line) has been the standard for decades.

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Would I be better off buying a ~$80 portable dac/amp and using it with a cheap flac player or android phone(I have a moto e sitting around somewhere) or just putting all of that money into something like a FiiO or one of the chinese portable media players?
(Totally unrelated but while typing this I came up with the idea to make an android ROM that basically turns the phone into a media player first, wouldn't that be cool?)

>>61292142
If you need physical buttons, the dap would be better, if you need streaming services, the phone would be better.

>>61292230
I wasn't as clear as I should have been.
I'm saying is an expensive PMP a better buy than a cheap one(or a phone, doesn't matter) and an external
portable dac/amp?
How good is the sound on most of these commonly suggested devices? I would use it with sensitive IEMs on the way to work( I take the bus) but around the house I'd probably use it to drive my dt990s.

>>61292275
>How good is the sound on most of these commonly suggested devices?
Well my x1 can power any iem and sensitive headphone just fine without any hiss, but only puts around 8mw into 300 ohms.
It's enough for my hd600 to be listenable, but I doubt you could power anything at 600 ohms. I'm pretty sure an external dac/amp would do a much better job at powering devices, you can look up the power output of most daps and dac/amps online, so you can see for yourself which would be more powerful.
The sound on most of them are just fine, you mostly just need to be careful about the output impedance, the ruizu x02 has a very high output impedance which will change the sound of most things. Hopefully that answers your question

>>61292360
It does.
I'm leaning towards an ipod with an ssd/battery mod because it's easy to rubber band to something like a fiio q1.
How does high output impedance affect sound?
Just yesterday I learned how to figure out the amount of volume an amp can deliver through a given headphone so I'm a bit green.

>>61292454
>How does high output impedance affect sound?
Wherever the iem has an impedance spike, that area will be less emphasized through a device with high output impedance. I'm pretty sure nwavguy made a post about output impedance somewhere. I have to go to work now, so I won't be able to answer anymore questions for 8 hours

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>>61292275
DAC/Amps like a Fiio Q1 or E17K give you flexibility. Use them as a DAC at home, use them as an amp with analog input, use them as a portable DAC/Amp strapped to your phone... whatever the fuck you want. PMPs usually also have good sound quality, but you forgo flexibility for a more convenient package. For me, the "better buy" is a DAC/Amp because I can use it as part of my home hi-fi.

>>61292142
everything on that pic is so disgusting

Is there any way to get Rockbox running on a walkman NWZ-E344?

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>>61290794
Anyone have any experience with pic related?
Its a Philips GoGear 8gb mp3 player. It's a few years old, i've never tried it before and can't at the moment.

Is Phillips stuff any good?

I ordered a 3rd Gen Nano, I know it doesn't have Rockbox support but it does support ALAC, right? Is there an iTunes alternative that can auto-convert FLAC to ALAC?

>>61292275
Higher end DAPs have powerful amp.
Mid and high end stuff should drive most headphones.

>>61292838
Maybe gtkpod

>>61292806
I remember having one. It's not bad in quality either. It's fairly durable, you could probably throw it at drywall and it would be fine, just don't be autistic and throw it down on the cement.

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Should I try installing Rockbox on this? I don't even remember the name of this model.

>>61293093
I am tech retarded, does the quality of the sound depend on the player or the headphones?
If the player, is it decent?

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these threads and my phones volume buttons dying recently really got my attention for a nice cheap pmp again. but looking around the only thing I come across for some sane price on local second hand places, thats rockboxable with card slot, is a cowon d2, and it doesnt seem all that neat with no skip buttons and a touchscreen.

is it really that hard in current year to get a cheap worthwhile rockbox pmp

>>61292093
It's supposed to be brail designed so you don't need to look at it

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ahhhh

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Just got my PLENUE D and the silver color doesnt look so cool. Is the gold one better?

>>61293570
Kinda surprised a lot of people are getting this instead of chink daps. This is pretty pricey.

>>61293121
That doesn't support rawkbawks IIRC

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>>61292590
Why do you say that? I don't even remember why the book is in the image.

So outside of a desktop solution and relegating my dragonfly to my phone there are tons of good options for a portable amp and finding the PMP to plug them into for use on the go would be trivial.
The Topping NX3 can do 34mw@250ohm, the FiiO Q1 can do 44mw@250ohm. Both $70.
Once you're at $70 you may as well just spend the $89 on a bstock magni but that leaves me with just the dragonfly for on the go, which I could sell if I went NX3/Q1.
So many options I'm paralyzed by choice. Need to do something though, dragonfly can't drive dt990 250's.

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Hey.

>>61289576
its the non photo version with the greyscale screen. Unfortunately rockbox eats battery.

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Anyone know some of the best rockbox themes? Also, is there a way to make text black on white so it's readable on light/dark backgrounds? I'm gonna start using my Sansa Fuze+ my grandmama gave me free during work, just doing some configuration… I got a 32gb SD for it real cheap so it's ready for the little bit of audio I'll keep on it. Oh and the screen cover is made of plastic and has already scratched on me… Blah. No big deal, not like I'm using the thing for video with the god awful display it has.

ive had my clip+ close to 7 years, im wondering whether I should get a clip zip as an upgrade or something bigger in size like a Fuze or Fuze+.

I love the quality of the clip+ as well as rockbox so it seems like a no brainer, but which one to go for?

Rockbox for Clip Sport when?

>>61296142
get coding son

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>>61267488

I've also got the Rocker, got it last week. Well, it's not exactly the rocker, it's Benjie T6 - which is the same device and I'm using the Rocker firmware.

And I've also got a cassette deck.

The Rocker isn't hooked up to the cassette deck, though, my autism isn't strong enough to take that step.

>>61296142
when you code it

>>61292590
what's wrong with dragonfly?

>>61296118
Not gonna lie, my Clip Fuze+ with the touchpad is awful compared to real physical buttons… I recomend going away from it unless it has some major feature you'd love to have.

Rockbox works well beyond crashing occasionally, though.

>>61293456
Nice buy, I actually have one (mine's red). Awesome value for $2. Battery doesn't last more than two hours and sound is decent but not great and it doesn't power anything more than normal headphones. Still, I really love mine, the size and weight and the fact that it's got a clip on the back makes it a totally perfect device for jogging, lifting, walking to the store and back and so on.

The rather short battery-life is it's biggest issue. It's one amazing value apart from that little detail, it really is impressive that they manage to make a totally fine music player that's cheaper than a cup of tea. I actually use mine a whole lot, partly because it's so small and partly because I choose this over my better but way more expensive player when there's even a small risk that it could get stolen (like when I shower at the gym and so on).

>>61296434
might go with the clip zip in that case, the bigger colour screen + micro USB would be nice to have

>>61293742

> the power of meme audio

was rhw pluenue d memed on reddit or something ?

>>61296772
Screen is dogpoo, but it does have colors so you're right to that extent. Micro USB will mount the Mini SD and internal storage simultaneously.

But yeah, other than power and volume buttons, the "physical controls" are harder to use than a phone touch screen, and there's no feeling a touchpad in a pocket. I'm this guy btw: >>61295356

>>61293371
nigger just order from aliexpress or ebay

>>61293220
Unless the player is some seriously bad chink shit it's the headphones that primarily determine sound quality.

>>61293220
>does the quality of the sound depend on the player or the headphones?

Both. The headphones is where you want to invest the most but you need a good enough player to drive them. A $3 player is fine for a $5 pair of earbuds and there's no point in getting a pair of $1000 headphones for a $3 mp3 player. Just go with some combination where the headphones are 2x the player or something like that and you'll be fine.

any good cheap pmp with bluetooth?

>>61296321
>>61297961
The Benjie T6 aka AGPtek Rocker that I posted a picture of above has Bluetooth (can be both sender and receiver).

I think it's good but you should take that with a grain of salt since I've just had it one week.

Further, at $40 it's not that cheap compared to things like the Ruizu 02 (but that one doesn't have Bluetooth).

Also, it's a bit heavier than I thought it would be.

>>61297961
iphone 5

How good is the iPhone SE DAC? How does it compare to previous models?

>>61299074

they are really amazing here are some proper lab measurements (not the exact model but same dac)

http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/iphone-6s-plus-audio-quality.htm

>>61296142
Not possible

I read that Rockbox 3.14 supports the Zen X-Fi now but the installer wasn't detecting the X-Fi. What am I doing wrong?

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sandisk clip sport plus has bluetooth, if you used bluetooth headphones will the radio still work, isn't the headphone wire used as the antenna for mp3 players?

>>61290794
The Sandisk in the OP image is the one inmates in federal prison can buy. 8GB and songs are about 99 cents to a buck and a half paid for with so-called "Trulink" credits. I passed a lot of time and discovered a lot of new music with mine. Let my buddy have it when I got out.

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>>61299507

fm radio piped to bluetooth headphones

wew lad... i think i just threw up in my mouth a little

you may of created a meme

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>>61299853
so if I was walking around with this in my mp3 and wearing those bluetooth devices you wear around your neck you wouldn't feel jelous?

>>61299989

just you signal chain has two different sources of wireless signal interference

i could just imagine bt connection problems while getting FM multipath interference....*triggered*

still have an ipod nano that i carry around for FM... its actually fun with KZ iems

>>61299518
what were you in for?

>>61300360
Some small transporting stolen property charge. Went over state lines thus feds.

>>61299518
Didn't know you could do that in prison, kind of neat. Any idea why that model in particular and not a low-end Walkman or something?

>>61300694
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say it was just the cheapest thing they could find in bulk. They have a contractor that set the whole thing up with the software, the mp3's, the special charger racks in each housing unit. The only real drag was inmates had to pay like $60 for something that costs 1/4 that on the street. For prison it was pretty nice though.

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I have this thing, looked at prices on amazon second hand and it seems to be reaching clip+ meme pricing levels. Is it worth selling it? All I care about is FLAC compatibility and battery life

>>61301862
Sure, touch screens are cancer anyway.

>>61290794
This pic ain't fucking funny. I broke my clip that way

>>61300736
I've heard prison Sansa clips have translucent cases.

Could you buy that case and install in your clip? 3d printing custom cases would be an option?

can i put an ssd into a 4th gen ipod clasic?
i found one with 20gb storage for $30 and im thinking of getting it.

>>61301862
It's impossible to sync music to is via gnu-linux if you care about that. Apple fucked with it.

>>61301862

definately sell it unless you want fm or work in a secure area

fucking shits me how fucking locked down they were... i knew a few people that bought them expecting a jailbreak and cool hackable watch hardware in a month or two and that day never came...

also the sleep/wake button had an annoying tendancy to break and was impossible to repair

its potential and how hard apple gimped it make in one of its worst products in the last 10 years IMHO

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>>61290794
Gather round gentlemen and let me tell you a tale of woe and retardation

>hear about how awesome rockbox is on sansas
>never bother to look into buying one because i was broke at the time
>a friend secretly gets me one for my birthday from the internet
>only two days before my birthday he realized the screen was smashed when he tried to install rockbox on it
>he gives it to me anyway with a free dinner. "I tried!"
>I make it my personal mission to fix it
>I've replaced screens in laptops before, how hard can this be?
>find 3 broken sansas on ebay in norway
>get them
>wait a month
>get a message from the seller that it got sent back to norway
>wtf
>tell them my address again
>they send it again
>it goes back to norway
>ask my post office what the fuck is up with that
>"lol i dunno sir"
>this goes on for SIX MONTHS
>finally get them and start looking up guides to swap out screens on the sansas
>literally one guide on the whole internet on how to do this, which is weird
>follow guide up to the last part
>"Now peel the broken screen off the motherboard and glue the new screen on."
>wat
>peel? glue?? this can't be serious
>look again for a guide on how to really do this because while I've never seen that type of cable before, I really felt like ''peeling' it off was unwise, but there are no other guides in all of google about it
>so I peel it
>the new screen won't work, I can't even put the old screen back on the old one, try again with a second FUBAR sansa with the same result
>realize the guide is ruse and i am retarded
>image related

I just wanted Rockbox.

>>61302356
You don't have any choice but to peel it anyway.
That said it needs to be peeled in a way so that the contacts will stay on the MB.
Really all Sansas have cheap shit construction anyway. They're throwaway stuff.

>>61302045
Yeah, now that you mention it, the back of them was clear as well as the belt clip part.

Would anyone on /g/ want an iPod Nano gen3, a gen 4, or iPod Shuffle gen3? I have them. They work fine. I just don't want them. I'm fine with selling them for BTC, ETH, LTC, XMR, or just mailing me dollar bills. I have a Rockbox device now so I don't need any of them.

>>61302199
Yeah, found that out when I was trying to add music via rockbox when my main PC was down.

>>61302251
I was hoping for eventual rock box support but I might as well take a gamble on one of the Chinese players for now.

>>61302796
iPods are basically dead for rockbox support.
Drop your hopes and dreams.

>>61302796
Apple ecrypting their shit so only speshial itunes can sync music to them is absolute bullshit.

>>61302847
>>61302968
With this in mind... Fiio X1 or Xduoo X3?

>>61303117
Or I could get a benjie t6 for around £20...

>>61303117
>>61303188
Chink DAPs have shit software but they are cheap.
If you don't care too much about sound quality, get a Sony E470 or E370/E380.

>>61303117
Both are rockbox-able.
Do you care about a screen for album covers? Then Fiio
Do you care about a huge storage capacity? Then Xduoo

Someone post the poorfag headphone chart
im too drunk to get out of this thread

>>61303542
X1 doesn't have a RB port.
xD X3 has an unofficial one.

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I'd just like to remind you all that the PSP is, and always will be the best handheld system for all use cases.

Large PSP library + Emulation
Ability to watch movies and tv on a decent screen (considering size and resolution)
320kbps mp3 playback

Find a better device that can do two of these three things that wont cost a fortune.

>>61304952
My Vita does all that and better.
PSP is definitely not worth getting for just music, which is the point of the thread.

>>6129079
im having issues moving my music to my rockboxed/iflash boarded ipod classic 5.5. If i begin transferring it will work for a bit then suddenly disconnect. the ipod just unmounts itself. i did it thru DFU mode and it worked but when i went to play music it would start then just skip thru songs. I have yet to try adding music thru itunes cause i dont want to have to convert all my music. And yes i have tried this on both windows and osx, each times the same thing happens. would it be possible to take the sd card out of it mount it some how then copy? or would the fact thats its a micro sd to sd adapter be causing the issue?

>>61304990
>/pmp/ Portable Media Player Thread

Since when has media solely referred to music? Games and Video have their place here as well.

>My Vita does all that and better.

The Vita is a great device don't get me wrong. The homebrew development is still too early to consider it over a PSP though. Plus the first generation was awfully clunky, and those are usually the only ones you can still find with firmware versions that can be exploited for emulation. Not to mention the absurd price of the proprietary memory cards.

(I own both)

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>>61305058
Forgot pic

>>61299406
How come?

>>61305058
lol look around you, see if anyone cares about that. It should've been called /dap/
>Vita
It does everything the PSP does though, in terms of software.
Also cheap mSD adapters coming soon.

>>61305068
ATJ based.
Nothing ATJ can be rockboxed.

>>61305058
dude adrenaline is a thing now though, so you can boot straight into the psp emu and get everything you had before.

>>61304952
Their batteries shit the bed so fast though and you can't get decent third party batteries, chinky ones are trash too.

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>>61290794
>>61305035
what would be a perfect PMP set-up if not for my annoying ipod issue

>>61305058
>Since when has media solely referred to music? Games and Video have their place here as well.
stop right fucking there before i neck you

>>61305089
>lol look around you, see if anyone cares about that.
Bringing new ideas and devices to the thread. Being limited to music players is a little tacky. At that point you might as well take these threads to /mu/.

>>61305100
Yeah, this relies on a few things though when dealing with the vita. You must be on the correct device version, if not then you're out of luck as there is no way to downgrade yet (to my knowledge). You will also need a psp game installed from the store too to allow adrenaline. Which you should have installed before the next vita update came out. If you havent done this you will have to find a way to move a game onto the device through Sony/Playstation software. Which requires your vita to be on the latest version to run. Assuming you have gotten all of this, you will need to run henkaku. God forbid you turn it off or a game crashes while you're away from an access point, there is no way to run this quick restore offline yet. The PSP is more hassle free overall.

>>61305109
I've heard this a lot actually. It seems like my vitas battery dies in hours where as my psp has been in standby for days on full charge and only went down to ~70%

>>61305220
i got lucky with my 2nd hand vita
Battery can last on standby for 4 days on my drawer after 2 hours of playing ROR.

>>61305220
3.60 MB is $30. You have to pay but it's not as bad as the PS3.
PSP demos and minis work, so that one is easy.
Enso is coming in a few weeks.

Just about any Vita can last for weeks in standby. You got a dud battery or it's bugged.

>>61305436
>weeks
try more than a month, that is if all wireless is off

>>61305220
The battery is fine, the problem is that Henkaku still has a bug that fucks up the memory card access if you leave it on sleep mode for a while. I don't think it happens if you use Adrenaline to go into PSP mode, but it's annoying as fuck if you're running pirated Vita games and you forget to save before leaving it.

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Hi guys, I got the Benjie T6 aka the AGPtek Rocker last week.

So far I've been happy with it but today I put some Ogg Opus oga files on the SD card and popped it in and the player arrogantly told me that these newly added music files were in a

UNKNOWN FORMAT

It's OGG OPUS, the best lossy audio format there is and also the best format for grabbing audio off YouTube kpop music videos in many cases.

NO OGG OPUS SUPPORT? THIS IS A TOTAL SCANDAL, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?

I converted them all to flac since that doesn't add any additional loss, but I am very disappointed and I find this lack of Opus support disturbing.

>>61305220
I was talking about PSP batteries

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>>61305035
I had an issue years ago with my modded ipod, there is a problem with Rockbox mods not being compatible with hardware mods like the internal SD card. My issue was different though, my ipod would always freeze up and stop playing the music in the middle of songs constantly for no reason leaving me with a blaring noise in my ears. I did a lot of poking around on the forums and found this thread, whatever they changed in this specific version fixed my issues and I used that version for several years until I recently fucked up my ipod. Try poking around on the rockbox forums to see if there's better support for hardware mods these days.

http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,42523.15.html

>>61306282
I envy your Marantz cassette deck, it's beautiful.

>>61306293
Yeah that's what I'm saying. I have had less problems with my PSP battery than my Vita battery

>>61306302
awesome thank you!

>tfw default playlist that your album came with has the songs listed as "01." and so on, when the songs aren't actually named that
Is there a good mass playlist editor where you can just select songs from a folder? I can't be arsed to go into notepad every time I download a new SEB album to make it work with my Clip Jam

>>61299518
I kind of remember a clear Sansa that was made custom for prisons (I tried to buy one from someone on here, in fact). Amazed that a regular clip was allowed and sold in prison. Kind of great. Were you able to get podcasts or audiobooks too?

>>61306343
Doesn't the Clip have FM? That'd be a problem.

>>61306324
>kid3
are you talking about editing the metadata? if so this is what you're looking for i think

Wow, I never knew "audiophile" players are a thing. What's wrong with modern smartphones?

>>61306973
more often than not they cant driver powerful headphones, so u would need and external dac. puls battery if u have a secondary player u dont have to worry bout ur phones battery

>>61306973
As the guy above stated, battery is one of the issues.
Some of the others are:
-Lack of physical buttons to control playback without a screen
-The ability for some DAPs to double as amp/dac for your computer
-A marginal increase in SQ due to more audiophile-friendly chips
-In some cases a smaller and more solid form factor
-Gain control
-More flexible storage, as you can probably put much more lossless onto a device that doesn't need to store app data and photos

I have a 7G ipod nano, apart from getting fucked out of extra storage capacity, lastfm scrobbling, and currently VERY loose connection (10 minutes struggle to get it stable) with both cables I have, is there any redemption or should I invest in something new, or is a fix possible?

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>>61296321
>>61306282

Alright, some more information about the Benjie T6 (aka agptek rocker).

This player CLICKS and POPS when playing .flac files from ffmpeg with -compression_level 12.

THIS IS A TOTAL SCANDAL.

flac files made with -compression_level 6 are only slightly larger and play perfectly. I'm not sure what it is about compression_level above 10 that makes this player upset (files made with 9 seem to play fine too, I use 6 just to "be safe").

Further, ridiculously large album art added with easytag DOES NOT SHOW UP in the player. jpg's at 1749x1227 and resolutions like that are just flat out ignored.

THIS IS ALSO A TOTAL SCANDAL.

.jpg files that are 640 pixels wide (640x449 etc) do show up just fine.

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What is the best pmp with 1tb capacity? I have a huge library of flac music and would like to be able to take it all with me. Is a 6g iPod classic with an msata ssd and rockbox my best option or there are better alternatives?

>>61308077
dumb frog poster

>>61307739
What a shame

>>61307739
are those porta pros?

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>>61309145
Yep, they are very old Koss Porta Pro's from before they started making them with a very thin flimsy cable and a weak plug.

My brother "borrowed" these and I bought a new pair since he tends to confuse "borrow" with "gift" and the cable on those newer Porta Pro's ripped apart in no-time.

I strongly recommend against buying new Koss Porta Pro's.

>>61307739
>>61309448
are those headphones for special needs kids?

>>61305066
is that Vita running the PSP firmware?

Anyone got a Benjie t6?

>>61311043
vita can play psp games, i think there's exploits to get into the psp firmware and even install custom firmware.

>>61311043
The Vita emulates the PSP for backwards compatibility. You can run a homebrew app that lets you launch a full vPSP.

>>61311332
Yeah I know that, own one and have some downloaded PSP original games. But never seen the XMB running like that.

>>61311243
yeah you can install CFW on the Vita's PSP Emulator. Crazy stuff right?

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my cayin n5 broke, so i used the money from the refund to downgrade to n3
i'm liking it so far, the amp is just powerful enough for my 400ohm earbuds, and the noise floor is super low so there is no hiss with my sensitive iems in the picture.
the interface is also much more responsive. i miss having the tactile buttons on the front, but the the full set on the sides make up for it. battery life is a solid 11-12 hours

>>61311058
>got a Benjie t6

Yes. I've posted about it in this thread already.

Doesn't play Ogg Opus files. Clicks and pops on flac files with the higehst compression-rate 12 generated by ffmpeg.

It's got about 8 hours of battery life, not the most impressive playtime but it's enough.

>>61310938
Perhaps.

>>61311680

sure its not your flac encode ?

flac quality settings should be disabled cause it tricks every one of us autists who MUST tinker... the difference between setting 6 and setting 12 is a few kilobytes but double the compute time....

A TOTAL SCANDAL

>>61312343
how do u format a sansa clip plug

>>61312343
>sure its not your flac encode ?

FLAC files made with ffmpeg with the highest (12) compression level play just fine in audacious and mpv. This indicates that no, it's not my flac encode. Further, the exact same ffmpeg binary creates flac files that do play just fine on the Benjie T6 as long as I don't use a too high compression setting.

I haven't made any flac files in ages and I don't think I bothered to set that flag when I did. All other flac files seem to play just fine on the Benjie T6. I did make a few today because that play does not play Ogg OPUS audio files - which IS ALSO A TOTAL SCANDAL - and that's when I looked up the fine manual.

I have not tried to play those flac files on phones or much else, so I don't know if it's a general problem. I just found that it made the Benjie T6 totally freak out and made new flac files with lower compression.

>>61312548
> I just found that it made the Benjie T6 totally freak out and made new flac files with lower compression.

interesting - either the T6 SOC isnt fast enough to do the extra math or its a firmware bug

>>61307487
Th-thanks for the advice, /g/uys.

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>Bought a Clip+ back in 2013 before meme pricing became a thing
>Installed Rockbox once, didn't like it, went back to stock
>Eventually stopped using it because was getting maybe 6 hours of battery life at best
>Spent like 2 weeks of my life researching how to get an iPod Classic 5 or 6, put an SD card inside, and change the bits to look like the cool red and black one
>Nearly spent $250 on a whole setup
>When I don't use my Clip+
>New phone provider gives me unlimited Spotify streaming on data
>Use it in the car cause idgaf about sound quality in the car
>Still carry around the phone from old provider since I got used to storing my driver's license and insurance info in there
>Only use my actual phone to call, text, and browse 4chan away from home
>Browse these threads and get jealous of the aesthetic of iPod Classics
>Won't make me happy
>Don't even like music that much
>Still don't use Clip+
Am I autistic?

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>>61293998
Lookit mr fancypants over here with his slim design and colour display

>>61313395
Chicago font. So much nicer than Charcoal.

>>61311507
Think you can help add to the DAP guide?

Most cyberpunk dap?

>>61315332
Raspberry Pi running Linux that you assembled yourself

I wanna thank the anon who sarcastically posted a pic of a cassette player with that gold-plated Gunship tape in it. You introduced me to a pretty rad band.

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>>61291063
I like the cassette theme, are there any other PMPs that have cassette themes?

>>61315074
Sure, will do when im home from work

>>61311507
As it has USB OTG, and I've read that it has USB Audio Output too, then could I technically connect an external DAC to it and use it as sound output, or the OTG on it is just limited to mass media?

>>61316766
Recent players can work as a usb transport like that.

>>61316850
That's great, does this Cayin n3 haave any option to scrobble to last.fm? ie. similiar to that scrobble.log on rockbox

>>61317086
Apparently not.

>>61317143
That's sad. I'd buy one if I could scrobble with it. I discovered a lot of music thanks to last.fm so I'd rather continue to use it

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FUCKING BANK LET ME TRANSFER MY SHIT ALREADY
WHY EVEN BOTHER HAVE A WEBSITE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>61313241
yes anon but its okay you have a clip+ at least

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I know people like Rockbox, but does anyone feel its UI is a bit dated?
Fixed menu system, no animation whatsoever, everything presented as a list, ...

>>61319251
That's the standard for media players, I don't see why they'd change it. There is a coverflow option if that's your cup of tea.

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>Traded my Shanling M2 for a beat up iPod Classic
>Just spent $50 on parts for it
wew can i ever be more wrong

>>61290794
>https://spit.mixtape.moe/view/46e30bac
Are any of the "cheap shit" new options worth getting vs spending the same or a slight a bit more on a decent used option? I'm talking from a durability/reliability/user friendly interface/battery life aspect, I don't doubt that the sound quality would be good enough for me.

>>61321226
No. Go for used ones.
Also use the updated guide: https://spit.mixtape.moe/view/a19f7a3f

>>61321265
Are the problems with the new "cheap shit" options all over the place depending on what model you buy or are there specific areas where the old ones win out?

>>61306282
>>61307739
you write like a woman

>>61321291
The new cheap shit are all about the same.
Old ones has better UI, actually designed by a competent company, and you're basically getting something that used to be $200 for $50.
The only possible downside is battery.

>>61316489
Shit I forgot.
Use the updated one https://spit.mixtape.moe/view/a19f7a3f

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Is it worth encoding my CDs to .ogg rather than .mp3? is .ogg really lossless as people say? or is ot just that it isnt affected by rotational velodensity or what's it called?

I feel my sansa clip+ is shitty at randomizing my tracks. Am I alone?

>>61324694
My clip sport is anyway. Always shuffles the same way.

Are there any good PMPs that cost less than an iPod/Clip/Zune (all start around $50-$60 currently) but still about as good as those options?

>>61324694
Randomizing has always been shitty unless you have very little music.

Just got a clip sport a few days ago. Here are some impressions (coming from rockboxed clip+)
>battery life is good
>firmware/navigation is frustrating shit
>screen is terrible but you won't be looking at the screen much

How does Rockbox compare to Poweramp?

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>>61325255
I just recently decided to go with a clip sport, too. I just use the "folder" menu for navigation and you can delete other top menus you don't use from the settings, which is a little better than scrolling thru ones you don't use. "Folder" is just like the tree on my laptop (except it won't alphabetize, for some reason.)

Hotswapping microSDs is pretty cool. my half-genius-half-retarded solution to carrying extra microSDs. Listerine breathstrips box. gives better leverage on the clip, too.

>>61325891
>delete other top menus
I mean hide, not delete

>tfw got a $40 classic with 180gb and now my i7+ With 256gb seems useless

First world problems I guess

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>>61313395
>special snowflake buttons

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Anyone know of some good headphones with hooks for the ears so they don't pop out? I work construction, regular headphones won't cut it. My current ones have gone through the washing machine a few too many times and have a buzz at high volumes. Bassy-er the better!

>>61319843
>Traded my Shanling M2 for a beat up iPod Classic
Why would you even do that senpai?

>>61319843
well that was fucking stupid

>>61326920
shure se215 sounds perfect

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getting my se215s back from shure tomorrow (cable broke).

>>61327717
Fiio X1 btw

>>61313395
I had one of these back in the day, fucking loved that thing.

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>>61327585
>$99
N- No thanks...

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Is this decent or is it a piece of shit that'll break in a month?

>>61328649
it's fairly durable, fellow leafbro. worth the money desu

t. owner of one

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Any reason I shouldn't? Its going into a 4th gen iPod.

>>61329224
you need an IDE to ZIF converter too

>>61329224
>>61329625
I thought you're just supposed to use a straight ZIF to CF adapter.

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>>61329625
Looks like it works.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Convert-your-4th-Gen-iPod-to-use-Flash-Memory/

hey guys
what's a cheap good MP3 player
rockbox compatible would be preferred

I can't really go used due to the little amounts of most pmps around my country

>>61330222
whats cheap?

A xduoo x3 on a good sale is cheapish. Whats your upper limit.

>>61316291
It's custom through rockbox, so probably any pmp that can use rockbox

>>61330254
$75-85USD

X3 looks okay but the control scheme is a bit off-putting idk

>>61330341
rockbox changes the option button to back. Makes thing a little better.

Sound wise its a great value. but the stock software and button layout is a little meh

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>>61307739
I'm the anon from last thread using a Rocker and a tape deck to record cassettes. Finally got some decent metal and chrome tapes and for the most part it sounds excellent. However, I have the flac Eurobeat collection from /t/, and I'm noticing there are occasional stutters in the odd song. Not every track, not even every recording session, just randomly.

Mine pops on track change too which makes recording nonstop albums basically pointless. I don't really notice it with headphones on but my tape deck is sensitive enough to pick it up.

>>61290893
>$1,198.00
>$1,198.00
>$1,198.00

Question: I currently have a FiiO X1 2nd generation and my experiences with it have been shit so far. The system is buggy to the point where it just randomly freezes up/crashes when playing music. So, I'm looking for new PMP that will support a 64 GB micro SD card as well as Rockbox. What are some good picks?

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iPod Touch 2nd Gen I've had since high school when it came out, still runs well and minimal scratches. Only has 8 GB storage so I've had to delete apps from it for more space.

Screen color is actually fine, couldn't get a good pic without everything else turning either dark or the screen blue.

I still hold onto it because I'll go camping a lot and typically lose cell phone reception.

>>61330991
>tfw my 16gb needs to be re-everythinged because the touchscreen is unresponsive (software issue from some borked cydia app.)
I would do it if the volume buttons werent completely broken from using them as music controls for about 5 years.

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I found my old Zune 30 and was able to get the Zune software working on Windows 10 somehow. It doesn't hold a charge for long anymore though. Does anyone know how tough replacing the battery is on one of these?

>>61331416
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Microsoft+Zune+30+GB+Battery+Replacement/1230
Looks simple

>>61331458
Yeah, it doesn't look too bad, but I'm always worried when I open up something that's still at least partially working. I was hoping someone here had done it before, but it looks so simple I should probably just go for it.

>>61327001
Shitty software and battery.
God tier audio though.

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>>61330844

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New chink Android player.
Notably, it's made by Hiby (fw developer for recent chink players) and uses a rebranded snapdragon 425 (instead of rockchip).

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FiiO x1 or Cayin N3

>>61331898
Why? Might as well just use a phone.

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And this one from Japanese high end earphones maker.

>>61331917
N3

>>61331941
Phone hardware can't match that

>>61331950
>Phone hardware can't match that
Yeah, they far surpass that chink piece of shit.

>>61331969
I mean audio hardware

>>61331972
I know. People that buy dedicated players want quality and they're not going to settle with garbage from china. I bet it will have shit battery life too.
It's also nowhere near as portable a dedicated player without Android.

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>>61331950
ok. cayin n3 or plenue D?

>>61332027
The D

>>61332005
Chinks are the only ones making high end DAPs now.
And Japan with Sony and Onkyo.

Also if your DAC+AMP system alone draws 5W then of course battery will be short.

>ipod is too old to play m4a stuff downloaded with newpipe
>m4a stuff downloaded with newpipe will not convert to mp3 at all
Fuck. What do.

>>61331697
I have done it before. My Zune 30 would not hold a charge after many years of faithful service. I was worried I would have to retire it, but I found out the battery replacement was easy. As long as you have the tools to open up the Zune it's a piece of cake. Just make sure you get the correct battery

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>He doesn't own the world's best music player

>>61324580
.ogg isn't lossless. Whoever told you that is a dirty fucking liar.
It's basically a more efficient .mp3. Smaller filesize at the same bitrate. Not sure if it's worth using .ogg instead of .aac.

>>61332587
>patented encoders

>>61332530
i've wanted to test that one for years.

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Recently got one of these Sony Walkman's. Cost around 200, I'm enjoying it alot so far. I didnt realize there was Walkmans that cost thousands of dollars until now.

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>>61305028

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>>61332851

>>61332690
>giving a shit

Use this as next OP >>61290893
Or this
>>61295356

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The Hidizs ap200 is launching today. Supposed to have a cheap price for an Android DAP.

Anyone else looking forward to this?

>>61333253
i'm done with android DAPs. I've used the FiiO X7 for a good year or so, and really android is too OP, has too many functions and shit for a DAP.

i prefer my sansa clip+ over it.

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>>61333277
Looks like they realised the potential of android allowing people to get carried away with it and have put an optional restricted mode on it

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>>61333277
>>61333673
Really activates your almonds, doesn't it?
We all want feature-rich DAPs, but the power of Android brings such an absolutely paralyzing amount of features to the table. So many to the point where the point of the DAP is lost and it turns into a slightly shittier phone.
If you're gonna put Android on your Chinkshit, you gotta take advantage of how malleable it is and use a stripped-down version, for sure.
What's most of the Chinkshit using? Some form of Linux?

>>61334485
Used to be a custom RTOS, recent ones run linux.
There were some iBasso players that ran customized Android.
Sony has been using linux for a while.

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Anyone miss the custom themes on old Cowon players?
New Cowon players still support custom themes, but people don't make them anymore.

Is somethign called a NWZA-15 good?
It's cheaper than that Plenue people keep banging on about,
and it does play FLAC

>>61332851
>>61332985
>>61333026
>>61333201
Ya'll can't design shit, it has to be intelligible on the thumbnail too.

>>61334848
The first one is very intelligible.

own PMP using a PiZero, preferabbly without an additional DAC

how stupid from a scale from 0 to 24?

>>61334863
Too bad the font is disgusting

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You did this to me

>>61334911
Not stupid at all, SBCs will be the PMPs of the future without a doubt. We just need a SBC with a decent DAC to kickstart this, and humble enough spec not to eat battery life for no reason, and then it'll become the norm.

The Rpi Zero is the best starting point, it's among the most power efficient, and there are a couple small, affordable and decent DACs, like the PHAT DAC. Hopefully it won't be too long before someone realizes a music oriented SBC would be goat.

>>61335966
Isn't the Pi's builtin DAC pretty good already?

>>61334848
actually >>61333201 looks fine when used as OP image. it's double the size of a normal thumbnail that way.

>>61335994
>PWM and RC circuit

No. And that's on full Pis only, not the Zero.

Is there anything that can be done if the clip part of the Sansa Clip breaks? Do you just leave it as it is?

>>61336088
What? I'm pretty sure the Broadcom SoC has a full DAC.

>>61335966
I actually thought about this some time ago, however the rpi0 is:
Too large (thicker and longer than purpose-made MB in devices)
No audio output
No battery support
Limited I/O (don't know if a dac and a screen can both be used)

>>61336177
>Limited I/O (don't know if a dac and a screen can both be used)
After using the I2S you should still have an SPI port and I2C available for a display.
You could also always use a simple USB DAC.

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>Portable Media Players
>2017

>>61336420
They're coming back because phone manufacturers refuse to put SD card slots in 'modern' phones.

>>61336439
Also headphone jacks
Also xboc hueg phones

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/873263862/hidizs-ap200-the-next-generation-android-hifi-musi/description

Welp, 239 US coins for the cheapest option.
Still looks kinda good though. It can play Spotify.
It will probably feel like an outdated and slow phone in a year though. It already launches with a very outdated version of Android (5.1)..

>>61336852
>Android
>PMP

at that point you can really just use your phone

>>61336888
It's just an OS though.
You can just use your phone instead of any pmps named ITT.

Is the iPod mod anon in here?
Do I really need a new headphone jack cable if I get the thick case?

>>61336933
A much more complex OS than simple players.
Which causes higher cost, higher power drain, less reliability, larger size, ...

>>61337049
Android is way ahead of those shitty UIs chink players have.
Battery is still about the same. 10 hours something.

>>61336933
Higher power drain for sure with Android,as opposed to an OS like rockbox, being incredibly light-weight. I don't like the idea of Android as a pmp device for a number of reasons, but there's nothing particularly wrong about doing it. If you want an android-powered audio player, go for it, but please don't make it an exclusivity.

>>61337105
while being 10 times heavier

(was quite hard to go through all the retarded audiophile bait just to reach the weight specs of that device)

>>61337122
Meant to reply to >>61337049

>>61337122
Chances are you already have an android device.
Isn't there something like an OTG DAC or something you can connect to?

>>61337182
Non-Android high end stuff isn't much lighter. I guess it goes into the audio components.
FiiO X5 II is 165g
X5 III is 185g

>>61337312
Nah the X5 II has a huge battery for some reason.

>>61332236
I'll have to pick up a battery soon and swap it out then. I might also try upgrading the drive to an ssd while I've got it open since that's supposedly pretty easy too.

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>>61337027
Bump

>clip + is gone forever
>using some chinkshit ruizu that I can't add any new songs to

Suffering

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Posting my shitty Memorex
Its not my daily pmp but I loved this thing for being a cheap piece of shit. It has a lot of neat features like the color theme that changes the backlight on the keys along with video playback but the firmware is absolute garbage despite decent hardware

>>61334911
>>61335966
>>61336177
You can get smaller SBCs than the Raspberry Pi Zero that still offer USB ports (though some have much lower specs). You can just take one of those and use it with a USB DAC. How much RAM/processing power does an PMP need anyhow? I think some 32 bit microcontrollers now days are more powerful than the SoCs used in old MP3 players.

>>61339651
But the Zero already got an USB port. Unless you'd like to keep a free port for pen drives and shit.
And you might find other SBCs with smaller surface but I haven't seen one as thin yet. Which I'd say is more important if you want to make something compact yourself.

>How much RAM/processing power does an PMP need anyhow?
Enough to install gentoo

>>61339745
>And you might find other SBCs with smaller surface but I haven't seen one as thin yet.
About any SBC can be just as thin as any other, you just desolder the ports. There's no reason to keep the ports on it if you aren't going to use them. There are even some smaller SBCs that don't even come with ports on them from the factory and instead just have holes on the board for an IO header like the Pi Zero.

>>61339800
Fuck desoldering on a tiny crammed multilayer pcb with SMD parts

>even some smaller SBCs that don't even come with ports on them from the factory and instead just have holes on the board for an IO header like the Pi Zero.
That sounds like some obscure shit without support / or expensive.

>>61339745
Holy fuck just looked up and it's 5mm.
Imagine adding something on top of that.

Using SBC is nice if you just want to rig something together but for practical usage I'll stick to purpose-made designs.

>>61329224
>>61329779

I tried using a microSD to CF and CF to ZIF on my iPod video. It just didn't work. I wouldn't recommend using chink shit. Instead, look at iflash.xyz. The boards are a bit more expensive, but they work well.

I'm using the dual SD card one right now.

>>61290794
>Zune HD
Some poor bastard in my area I think won an F-150 in some sort of Zune giveaway quite a while ago. He has since repainted the truck but I think he has to leave the hood with the gigantic Zune logo on it. Still has it, last seen 2 days ago.

>>61340261
>He doesn't use the confirmed working chinkshit.
If you had spent just a little more time researching you could've saved $35

>>61341415
Confirmed working chinkshit?
Could you enlighten me?

>>61341835
Generic red cf adapter.

>>61331898
I'm not entirely sure how I feel about these, it's basically a crippled phone with a high-end DAC/AMP solution.

My instincts tell me that this one and players like it will have a few obvious problems,

-> I like my PMP because it's got a small form factor
-> It will probably break as easily as a phone will, they probably didn't put a Gorilla Glass 5 or something like that on it - and even so, it's a disaster waiting to happen. My PMP has taken many beatings in it's time and it's fine.
-> Looks like there's no physical buttons on it either.

The only advantages it has over a phone would be the DAC and AMP, it seems to miss the rest.

>>61331950
This one looks more like a music player, but what's with that silly button layout? I'd probably get used to it but it looks a bit silly.

>>61332182
> will not convert
Huh? If a AAC MP4 file is playable (=not totally corrupted) then its also convertible. Just use ffmpeg, it'll convert anything to anything else. m4a music files from yotub downloaded with youtube-dl convert just fine. I don't recommend converting to MP3, though, do FLAC if you can. It won't be perfect since the source is AAC but you won't get any additional losses.

>>61332587
> encoding my CDs to .ogg rather than .mp3
First of all, you rip CDs to FLAC - which is actually lossless.

Secondly, OGG is a file CONTAINER which used to mostly be used for Ogg Vorbis audio. These days OGG Opus is the better choice for .oga files (same as ogg, but it's more convenient to call ogg audio only files oga since they can have both audio and video).

Rip CDs to FLAC and store them as FLAC and if you really need another format for some reason (storage space restrictions, player doesn't play FLAC) then just convert to the best format you're player is able to handle. That's probably not Ogg Opus, pmp's don't play it and some Android phones (looking at you, Xioami) don't. Use AAC if it's newer, MP3 if it's very old.

>>61342460
>do flac if you can
If it won't play it as mp4, why would it play as flac?
Also I needed them to be mp3 for other reasons.

>>61339008
That actually was a useful infographic. Thanks.

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/g/ memed me into buying something again

Well, at least it's actually useful, thanks /pmp/

On a side note, why almost all Rockbox themes are pure eye cancer?
Is there a guide or even better a wysiwyg editor for Rockbox themes?

>>61345111
>Is there a guide or even better a wysiwyg editor for Rockbox themes?
Most of the shit is straight up in the options, sans where you want next located and maybe the font IIRC.

>>61345677
I mean for menu layout, playscreen layout, informations etc.
Not just changing the font, and other things present in the options

Also, can someone suggest me a SD to CF adapter from Amazon that will work with the iPod Video, since I've read stories of adapters that won't work?
Thanks!

good earbuds under 50 $ ?

>>61329720
IDE to CF to MicroSD

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>>61332851
>>61332985
>>61333026
>>61333201
>putting effort into thing

Does a fiiox1 sound better than a typical smartphone? (Not counting xperia)

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>>61335920

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Just got a 128GB sd card for my Rockboxed clip Zip.

Is there a site with technical analysis? Like the ones in gsmarena reviews (useful to compare smartphones SQ)

I'd like to compare my PMP and find decent earphones

Sansa Clip+ Rockbox 64 GB
iPod classic 120 GB
Sony Walkman A805
Creative Zen Micro

LG Optimus 2X (Wolfson DAC)
Xperia Neo V (Sony Ericsson, should have good sq?)

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I got a Shanling M2s. It's pretty nice.
The leather case sorta sucks though. It makes contact with the scroll wheel, which causes friction and just makes it annoying to use.

>>61351004
Shit that looks way better than my M2.
Seems like they even got font smoothing with the new linux firmware.

>>61351025
No it's just an overkill display. It's 480x800.

That's 310 PPI. It's an actual "retina" display by Apple's definition. A bit overkill, but hey, nice looking album art and text is always a plus.

>>61342082
should that work with an iPod mini gen 2?

>>61342082
I picked up the generic green one, I just hope it werksz

>>61292604
Yes. https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort

>>61328205
fonge s500

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>>61345111
You can make your own themes.

>>61352490
Link https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS

o shit bump

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I need a musicplayer:
SDcard slot
physical buttons
small size
shipping to germany
robust case or at least sth that doesn't fall apart after 2 months

what should i buy?

>>61354367
Sony A15/A25

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Made another update to the guide
https://spit.mixtape.moe/view/fefcb363

However the guide is just specs and some extra info, so I was thinking maybe a table would be a better representation. Pic related.
I need a better software though.

>>61354869
I forgot to say that I got no money. is there sth cheaper? maybe 20-80€

>>61350655
this is my end game with my ipod but i still cant get my fucking music on it because of my iflash mod

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>>61356201
>He ends his game at iPod

>>61352490
Neat

>>61356250
end game for my ipod, i plan to own many ther better DAPs thru my life

What's a good entry level pair of earphones?

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Bump.
Post DAPs please.

>>61352412
Much more affordable. I bought some Sony in-ear one's without hooks temporarily that I can live with until they get here. Thanks /csg/!

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How big of a deal is the Wolfson DAC? I really like the U2 iPod design, but I never liked how old iPods attracted so many scratches. I figured I could save some grief by getting a pre-modded 80gb one, stainless steel front and all, but am I memeing myself by not going for an iPod with the Wolfson DAC?

>>61359758
Not that big a deal.

Fuck. After 2 months of reading /pmp/ you got me. I'm gonna buy myself Shaling M2s for my birthday.

Maybe you guys can help me out.
So at work we're not allowed to have Milwaukee and Dewalt radios because assholes fiddle with their phones in them.
I need a loud radio with bluetooth so I can listen to my degenerate music. I've figured out that I need more than 100 decibels to be able to hear it well enough all around my work station but radios are shitty at providing that information on amazon. They provide the wattage for speakers but I don't know how that translates.

I've been just using a bluetooth beanie but it's too damn hot now, and it's not really loud enough either since it doesn't seal around your ears well.
I've been looking at this cheap son of a bitch.
https://www.amazon.com/SPBT1041RD-Portable-Thunder-Bluetooth-Cylinder/dp/B01FFVE50Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1499981107&sr=8-2&keywords=loud+bluetooth+radio
So please. If you have anything that can help, I'll take it.

>>61359784
K- 2nd question: I know opening 6th and 7th gen iPods is supposed to be a bitch, but if I go for the SSD mod or a bigger battery (Probably gonna buy one of those right away before the chinks stop making them) is there a kit that makes it less of a pain in the ass?

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>>61347868
he's a skeleton

New thread here lads
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