/pcbg/ - PC Building General

why r5 not i3 i5 i7?

>>61188057

Ryzen offers considerably better price vs performance - especially given you don't need x370 to overclock.

>>61188057
i3 is overpriced, the Hyperthreaded Pentiums are essentially the exact same thing except they are slightly lower clocked (providing the same performance for much less)
i5 are meh at AAA gaming compared to an R5 1500x or 1600, as the fact that they have only 4 threads cripple them in any CPU-intensive games. They also offer much worse multi-threaded performance (multitasking, some productivity stuff, streaming / recording through CPU), and are all locked (with the exception of the 7600k)
i7 (7700k) is good but a waste of money if you don't have a high refresh rate screen & beefy GPU to go along. Other i7 (6+ cores ones) also are very, very overpriced compared to the R5 1600 & 1700 (which offer close / identical performance for much lower in multithreaded tasks). Skylake-X is pricey as fuck too mainly because of the motherboard.
So it makes sense in some cases, but not always.

I'm planning on building a new pc around late september and this is what I've got so far
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/zbRWsJ

Would it be wise to buy a cheap second hand gpu and see what vega brings/wait for the mining fad to cool down?

Also how long would it take for RAM prices to go back to normal (or at least considerably lower than now)? Is it a good idea to buy one 8gb memory card and buy the second one later?

>>61188189
Not sure about Vega, early benchmarks are slightly disappointing (pricking yet to be determined) but more than 400€ for a 1070 is robbing you imo. If you don't plan on OC you can drop the extra cooler btw.

>>61188394
That one is the only 400 one i can find. All the other ones are overpriced/out of stock.

>>61188394
>>61188450
And even this one is out of stock as well.
Wait for mining to die down I guess? I mean I have until the end of september.

>>61188189
RAM prices have been fucked for a long time, it doesn't seem it will end anytime soon.
You can always check for sales every now and then.

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>>61187827
>7700k

>>61188836
wut?

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Anyone got any recommendations for building a nas?

>>61188953
depends on budget and purpose, how many users connecting, how many drives, wants ssd cache...
and country where buying...

Anything I should change or is this fine?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kZVpvV

>>61188993
Might as well get a 500gb ssd with your budget.

>>61188993
the cpu for start, at least from seeing the GPU
why not upping the ssd to 960 nvme in to m.2 slot? its so clean, 850 has m.2 too, but uses old AHCI protocol, not that much different but it does not seem like you cant afford extra $20
you will need to order am4 mounting for H7, its free, its fine, but just so you know... at least I had for my ryzen build, they wanted photos as proof ;)
I would go for microATX build, large cases are so unnecessary meh
I like seasonic over evga, they are rebrand brand, while seasonic is seasonic

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>>61187827
>recommending intel
>ever
OP hebrew confirmed

Is 45c idle normal on a 1600x with a Corsair H60?

>>61189154
tell us also the load one

>>61189154
offset, its prob 25c in reality all X cpus have a 20c offset

>>61189064
So I should go for at least an 1800? And yeah for price I could afford since I'm mostly likely buying my friends 1080 for half the actual price of 1080 (around 200$) so I could afford a bit more.

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>>61188892

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>>61189201
I meant intel if its for games, as gpu hints
1700x is amazing, I have 1700
but I am linuxfag who runs virtual machines
if I would be still gaming fag who wants best fps in skyrim and and battlefield, I would not bother with amd if huge budget
but if you do other things too then I guess its fine

What is the difference between a heatsink and a cpu cooler?

>>61189301

What do you think a cpu cooler is?

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>>61189301
like between bird and duck

heatsink is any metal that is designed to accept and transfer heat
cpu cooler is specific heatsink for cpu

in the pic is mosfet heatsink

Okay, so everybody here cums over Ryzen, but what about all those problems with memory, mobo compatiblity or something something? Is this all fixed now?

>>61189285
Ah. Recommendations for an Intel cpu? This'll most likely be my first build and also I only have the 1080 there since I'll be getting one for quite cheap off my friend

>>61189339
no, its not all fixed
but its usable and will get there
bios updates are out every month

>>61189396
>Recommendations for an Intel cpu?
yes if gaming is main focus

>This'll most likely be my first build
most likely? it is first or not first.. why doubt
and intel has some leg up there as first builds..
its really more reliable since they did not change for fucking 5 years... so much less potential for issues

>>61189427
Alright. Well thank you for the help.

I'm in a pickle. I need a new monitor, would like 144hz for gaymes. Originally I wanted the benq but the asus is cheap as fuck (even though it is still uglier).

ASUS VG248QE - $192.10
BenQ XL2411 - $289.00

Or drop 144hz and get a matching monitor.

Acer H226HQLbid - $89.99

>>61189879
On a related note, what's up with the price of screens.
This shit is not advanced technology, it doesn't take a state of the art 10nm factory 2 month to produce a single die, why the hell does it cost several hundred bucks for something so basic?

A decent screen should cost $30, a good one $90, no more.

>>61189879
>>61189936
the current best go to screen with high refresh rate and NON TN panel is Samsung CFG70
but its nearing $300 like that Benq

and monitors are expensive as they are large panels
what I am surprised is that in 2017 we have screens that are utter shit with terrible brightness and contrast... but thats usually issue in notebooks. but so apparent..

Why do 3.5" drives still get used these days? Don't 2.5" drives do everything now? What do people need other than SATA?

Yall know when will amd and nvidia start pumping out mid-range chips again? I sold my 290 recently and I don't want to overpay for a 1060

>>61189993
Eh not really into the curved screen.

>>61189879
I have one of ASUS's 144hz monitors, it's nice and does it's job. I've never had a problem with it although ASUS monitors seem to have iffy QC. Could be good, could be bad

>>61190084
I am not either, but would take it over TN panel, check reviews and youtube videos of it...

>>61190071
Q1 or Q2 of 2018. Enjoy having no GPU. :^)

will there ever be ryzen amd motherboard with on board GPU?

I would very much want it.
>inb4 APUs

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>>61190087
How are the colors? Also is the 3D thing part of the stand or just a sticker?
>>61190094
I'll check it out. Right now I have an IPS panel, and am replacing an old TN monitor that died. Is IPS vs TN really a big difference?

>>61190157
Very unlikely, I haven't seen mobos with gpus since early AM3+

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>>61189267
DELID DIS SIR

>>61189339
Memory plays any role when you have 1070 or higher. Forcing the memory meme was a way for amdrones to mitigate bad gaming perfomance right after the launch.

Hey fellas, I've read the sticky and appreciate the work that went into it, but I really am out of my depth when it comes to this stuff.
My budget to build a pc is 800 shekels. Will i finally be able to run modern games?
My laptop struggles trying to run S.T.A.L.K.E.R. at anything over minimum settings. (sitting pretty at around 20fps)

>>61190174
The 3D thing is printed on the stand. Colors are fine for a TN panel.

>>61190174
Colors are fine for a TN panel, nice and vibrant. And you can always adjust it to your liking. As for the 3D thing, I'm not sure. Like I did, I have a different model (MG248Q) but it probably means that it's compatible with Nvidia s 3D thing.
>>61187827
Is a 1080 sufficient for 1440p/144hz? Or should I go for a 1080 ti? Seems like the only going prices that are untouched by miners are the high end cards and the difference between them are less than 150 now

>>61190335
>Will i finally be able to run modern games?
Run, yes. At good settings? No. All midrange cards are gone so you're stuck with the choices of 1050Ti or 1080(Ti).
Either you wait or buy a good system with a temporary used or cheapo GPU and replace it later.

>>61189267
Never understood these graphs, AMD Ryzen doesn't have integrated graphics so of course the power consumption will be lower.

It is almost like AMD is paying people to overlook the obvious.

970 starting to show its age
do i get a 1080?

>>61190398
Gone? Like a limited run of them sold out or what?

The parts for this aren't around anymore?

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/wMgXsY/modest-gaming-build

>>61190364
>>61190385
I'll probably go with the asus monitor then. The only reason I liked the benq better was because of looks, but the price is so low I can't pass it up.

>>61190452
I doubt the 970 is really showing its age anymore than when it was released. It is also not a good time to buy any GPUs as even the prices of 1080s and 1080tis have been shaken up by miners snatching up all the lower end cards.

>>61190487
Miners. Don't ask and don't expect available and affordable midrange cards anytime soon.
>https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/wMgXsY/modest-gaming-build
Mobo is shit and no SSD is stupid if you ask me but the rest looks fine. With minor modifications you can use this as base template for approx 800 budget build.
Do you want mATX or standard ATX? The later usually offers more features but mATX is usually cheaper and uses less space, obviously.

>>61190554
mATX
I'm just trying to get into this decade as far as gaming goes

hey pals! What are some monitor brands to avoid and what brand would you say is the best. thanks

>>61190157
>>61190178
What the fuck I'm pretty sure I've see sombre mobos with gpu.

>>61190640
Best: Asus, Samsung, Benq, AOC.
Avoid: Acer, LG, Dell

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>>61190442

>Never understood these graphs

That is because you are retarded.

> AMD Ryzen doesn't have integrated graphics so of course the power consumption will be lower.

R7 also has TWICE THE CORES and even ignoring that in the workloads presented in those charts the igpu on the 7700k will be idling meaning it won't be a significant factor in power draw.

>>61190640
nigger stop being a fucking jewfaggot

Dell for example has shitty TN panels for $70 but also $250 starting ultrasharp

and it goes for most, well except Eizo maybe, they only god expensive and good...

>>61190615
800 will do that. Here's a solid example build with an ok GPU, 1060 etc for >300 are not worth it: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YrvMHN

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>>61190712
Savings me the rubles! thanks!

>>61188189
Dont' get a 1070 with a 1080p 60Hz monitor. Either get a 1440p, high refresh rate monitor or drop to 6GB 1060/580

>>61188993
Good if you have a nice monitor

>>61190335
800 is plenty. Don't listen to these retards
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/

Anyone know if this keyboard is a good deal or not?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00VJNUPW0/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2DLQTV7PP0NTY&psc=1

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My i3 6100 stock fan is driving me crazy I can't handle it anymore. what cheap and silent air cooler will fit on this shitty case?

>>61190670
cool thanks, never heard of aoc

>>61190708
hm not sure what you're saying..

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>>61191049
>thanks for not telling me the case model

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>>61190901
>brown switches

>>61191137
Need a quiet keyboard and apparently they are the best, what would you recommend?

Does Nvidia really gimp there older cards with driver updates?

>>61191101
>hm not sure what you're saying..
that its retarded to ask for good and bad brand.
Brands have models, lines and categories.
Faggot above said Dell is to be avoided

but dell has excelent Ultrasharp line
he said Asus is best lol, and you faggot will go and buy random asus for $70 and its pretty shitty panel, because he meant some high tier gaming asus gaming line...

asking for brands is retarded, you want specific models or model lines if the brand has them

guys, my rx580 and 1700X come in the mail Wednesday. I am so jacked. Does anyone have a good recommendation for a curved or ultrawide curved monitor?

>>61191175
No, they just lack updates to begin with.

>>61191049
I think a H7 will fit just fine
It has a 120mm exhaust fan right? Then most stuff will fit

Thoughts on this monitor

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00UAMYTR8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

>>61191116
It's a corsair spec 1 I'm surprised some don't know this case already.

>>61191116
Corsair Spec-01 Alpha (or similar).

>>61191167
Blue are the best for typing, red for gaming, brown are balanced which is why they are so popular. To reduce sound you can get those O-rings. Cherry also started to produce silent switches i think, maybe look into that.
If you live with people sensitive to noise do not get blue switches, they won't like it very much.

>>61191208
So if I use a 980ti it'll run games right now at the same performance in 5 years for example?

Anything to change here? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ptjr8K

Looking for 1080p gaming maxed out. Planning on OCing CPU and GPU. Budget is ~$1100 USD but could budge a bit for good reason.

>>61191319
Yes, in old games. Who knows about future games though. Plus you have to factor in that that was a 4K card, so obviously over time its effectiveness for its intended purpose will quickly deteriorate as new more demanding games are released

>>61191319
Rule of thumb is don't update drivers unless there is a problem. You may notice the card getting slightly hotter over time, but that is really it.
>>61191252
The Hyper 212 evo will not fit that case if I am not mistaken. Zalman has some decent coolers that should fit.

>>61191354
Get an air cooler instead, even a noctua D15S is $20~ cheaper yet performs pretty much the same, and $50 - $60 air coolers are still great.

>>61191452

Not bothered by price of the H100 desu, and I like both the quietness and aesthetic of the AIO setup.

are 21:9 monitors a meme

>>61191666
No. Only get them for movies or gaming but they are great.

>>61191675
Vast majority of movies are 16:9 though. The odd exception is that recent western Tarantino movie e.g.

>>61191702
What? Almost all movies are in cinema format.

This is kind of PC building related. Do I want my h80i set up as an exhaust fan or an intake fan? It's currently intake right now, and my harddrives are getting warm. (55c or so)

Is exhaust a better setup?

Is an AOC G2460PF shit? I have a 1060 and it doesn't have g sync, but it seems dumb to spend more than $200 on a 1080p monitor. I plan to upgrade my gpu and get a 1440 in a year, so this is essentially a placeholder.

>>61191049
Cryorig M9i. Cheap and small factor.
Used to have it with 7700k and temp below 80c.

Is 5 years old ATX case with top mounted psu going to be fully compatible with modern ATX mobos?

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anyone got the b350-f from asus?
looks like the best b350 board out, but it's fucking nowhere to be found

I have now bought everything for my build except a mouse, any recommendations for a cheap mouse?

Is there any issue with Gskill ram? Their 32Gb 3000+ kits are similarly priced as the 16 Gb kits from other brands. I get that they are ugly as fuck but are they good?

rx 580 when?

>>61191212
I rather upgrade my mb before buying that for such price desu.

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>>61191412
>Plus you have to factor in that that was a 4K card

The 980 Ti was never a 4K card. Even the 1080 isn't a 4K card. The 1080 Ti is the first card that can achieve 4K/60 with a minimum of compromises on settings, though even then it's brought to its knees by some of the more demanding titles at 4K.

>>61191849
Should be. Make sure they are both standard atx.

>>61192211
>if you can't run a game at max settings at 60fps it can't do a resolution properly
Kill yourself.

>>61192307
You first, retard. No card below the 1080 Ti is even close to being close to running most titles at 4K/60. You can kick and scream and be a contrarian all you like, but the numbers don't lie.

>>61192307
That's the exact definition of doing it properly.

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>>61192307
>if a card can display 4K, it's a 4K card

Fucking awesome, can't wait to tell everybody about my 4K gaming rig featuring a 750 Ti! After all, I can play Dota 2 on low settings at a solid 60fps!

>>61192322
Turn down the settings. People have been playing at native 4k since the 980Ti and Fury X. By your logic the 1060 and 480 aren't "1080p" cards since there's a few games they can't max out at 1080p.

>>61190690
>twice the cores
Yet still never uses more than four.

>>61192349
There's a difference between turning off fucking GoyWorks to achieve 60fps and lowering every single setting to low/medium to achieve 60fps, my dear retard. The 980 Ti isn't even close to hitting 30fps in that graph. It isn't getting close to 60 unless you turn literally everything down as low as it'll go.

You sound like a salty as fuck 980 Ti owner.

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>>61192339
You might think you're being clever but it just illustrates the fact that GPU's aren't really "designed" for a target resolution. Certain specs do matter like VRAM, memory bandwidth, fill rate, etc.. For example playing at higher resolutions with a GTX 960 sometimes has problems even with older games since the memory bus is so shit. But there's no such thing as a "4k card" or a "1080p" card. It all depends on what you want out of it.

>>61192420
>But there's no such thing as a "4k card" or a "1080p" card

Yes there is. The accepted definition of a [X resolution] card is a card which can come close to maxing out every game currently available at its release at a given resolution, at a minimum of 60fps. You not liking or agreeing with this definition doesn't change the fact that it's widely used and accepted.

If I want a cpu for a low-power-usage, low-traffic server, would a 15W TDP cpu be the best I could go down to? I was thinking a low power i3

>>61192489
i3 only if buying used cheap one
theres no reason to go for i3 anymore
G4560 killed it

https://www.techspot.com/review/1325-intel-pentium-g4560/
www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2902-intel-pentium-g4560-review-vs-i3

but even that is probably too much
what will the server do? maybe raspeberry pi would be better with extremely low power consumption

>>61192466
>The accepted definition of a [X resolution] card is a card which can come close to maxing out every game currently available at its release at a given resolution, at a minimum of 60fps.
This has literally never been true. "Maxing out" is a meaningless statement considering games vary wildly in what hardware you need to play at any given setting. Hell some games come out so unoptimized and broken that you would need a 1080 to play them at 1080p. That doesn't mean I would recommend buying a 1080 for 1080p gaming. A higher resolution+high settings will often look better than 1080p ultra, especially considering
1. Ultra settings in modern console to PC ports barely look better than the high/very high but have a massive impact on performance
2. Higher detail in games is more difficult to see at lower resolutions. Very high texture detail in modern games is wasted at 1080p for example, you need at least 1440p to get any benefit.
Spending a premium to hit "ultra" settings in games is a massive waste of money when a higher resolution monitor like 1440p or especially 4k will have a much more noticeable impact on image quality.

I'm building a mitx htpc soon and wss going to recycle my fx 6300 and 8gb ddr3 ram although ive discovered no am3+ mitx board exist. What's the cheapest mitx mobo and cpu combo that's adequate for streaming that works with ddr3?

>>61192736
yeah, you dont want all that hot in small

>>61192736
You can get FM2+ ITX boards with an APU.

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>GPUs cannot be found, no specific date of delivery

>a few AM4 ITX motherboards are released now but also not available

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


I cannot finish my build, this cannot be due to all the mining. Why can't manufactures simply temporarely boost their production?
I am not even talking about several weeks, but just to meet the demand.

It is fucking obvious that there is literally no supply of goods.
There is 0 danger of filling those empty warehouses, they would definitely sell those.

I bet the manufactures actually like this situation which drives the pricing into new heights.

Fuck you miners

So after a decent amount of research, I've come to the conclusion that Zen IPC is only ~9% onverall better than IvyBridge-E.
I have a 4820K that's 4.5ghz all day - at 4ghz i should only be losing a '100mhz' or performance (Zen@4ghz perf + 10%IPC == [email protected] perf) single threaded performance but will be gaining 4 cores.
It's AUD$599 for RAM, $309 for a MB and $429 for a 1700.
AUD$1337+Shipping

The question is, should I:
A. Upgrade to the 1700 system for ~$1400
B. Upgrade to a 4960X for ~$350
C. Stick with the 4820K

Yes, this will be for vidya.

>>61192766
Any cheap fm2+ cpu u recommend? And itx board too. I have a spare gtx 660 that i wss going to throw in, but if an apu is adequite for my needs ill go for one

>>61192792
People who use ITX motherboards should be publicly stoned with said ITX motherboards.

>>61192836
Fuck off with your big ass useless towercrap.

Waste of space it is.

Look at smartphones nowadays and how much power they pack into a small space.
I bet faggots like you would still advocate walking around with a huge mobile phone from the early 90s.

>>61192860
Mobile phones went to tiny then back to bigass. Nice try though. Enjoy having thermal issues, building issues, expansion issues.

>>61192822
stick what you have unless 200hz

>>61192792
AM4 ITX has nothing to do with mining, it just took longer to oems to release since they went pretty all-out for FM2+ which fizzled outside of the lowend and HTPC world.
Also miners won't want ITx boards, since their goal is simply to run as many GPUs as possible, CPU performance is meaningless, they just want the most PCI-e slots with the lease power draw, ITX only has a single slot.

Whats a good mother board to use with the ryzen 1400?

>>61192940
One that fits the socket

>>61190016
It's for large storage HDDs.

>>61192980
Like what

>>61192823
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128663
It's not that cheap but ITX boards usually seem to have a premium due to how small they are. You can get an APU whith decent graphics, or if you want to use your 660Ti you can get the Athlon X4. It's basically an APU with the GPU disabled and sold for much less.

>>61187827
>>Ryzen CPUs benefits from high speed RAM
What motherboard to buy to get the best RAM speed.

>>61193029
Check the qvel loser of your ram.

>>61191849
ATX is ATX and has been ATX for 20 years.

>>61193039
I'm building from scratch so I'm open to suggestions.

>>61193043
old case can have issues
the size for example fits, but heatsink backplate counts on a cut out in mobo tray
old ones dont have those

>>61192466
[citation needed]

4x4 or 2x8 for gaming and sometimes agdg / video editing

running 7700k with GTX 1080/144hz monitor. worth switching to Ryzen? for sake of much lower temps and i want to start streaming. (And gaming with chrome open playing podcasts without stuttering would be nice)

>>61193319
People stream with worse equipment. Can't really say the temps worth the upgrade.

>>61193319
It's kinda hard to recommend switching platforms when your CPU and mobo are so new, especially since your FPS will take a hit. If you can sell it for a decent amount of money online then go for it I guess. Considering most people already use i7's for streaming you have to ask yourself if more cores is worth rebuilding your whole PC.

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Does the H100i V2 fit well enough in an InWin 303?

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what does the PRO-VDH, HDV, D3H mean for motherboard? what's the difference for general consumers choosing those motherboards between others?

>>61193428
holy shit... He looks like the Boogey Man from "The Nightmare Before Christmas"

>>61193319
wait for the new processors?

Thoughts? Its main purpose is gayming, as always
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fb9zr7

>>61193483
Yeah when i have any game open with chrome alongside it i get massive stutters in game and in chrome aswell.

>>61193489
>A320
You know you can't OC on this?

>>61193489
I'd recommend getting a B350 motherboard instead. They're a little bit more expensive but you can overclock if you want to.

>>61193489
>1600
>GTX 1050ti
Drop to a 1500x and up to an RX 570 and you'll get much, much better performances at the same price. On top of that, that monitor supports freesync.
You don't need high frequency RAM too considering your GPU will be the bottleneck no matter what, so if you can make big saving in there don't hesitate.

>>61193514
That mobo has one review that states it can, though I'll heed by your advice and assume it doesn't.

>>61193528
Can I just get the lowest frequency DIMMs I find and I won't notice much of a difference? I might consider buying some ram without those autistic heatspreaders...

>>61193590
Officially according tho AMD the 370 and 350 boards can OC, the 320 can't. Don't believe random user reviews.

>>61193528
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fb9zr7
>go from a six core to a quad core to save ten bucks
>get a gpu that costs five hundred FUCKING dollars because of miners instead of one that's $140
>drop RAM that Ryzen highly benefits from that you'll have to upgrade to in six months when GPU prices drop and you can upgrade
Wow great advice man. Consider suicide.

>>61193705
>>go from a six core to a quad core to save ten bucks
$24 to be exact. And that's IF he wants the price to stay identical. 1500x + RX 570 is miles ahead of 1600 + GTX 1050ti so he can only chose between the two (aka if he can't up the price), then the former is obviously the way to go.
>>get a gpu that costs five hundred FUCKING dollars because of miners instead of one that's $140
I obviously didn't tell him to buy a RX 570 that was $500. But buying a 1050ti for a gaming build when he could wait for the GPU market to come back to normal and buy a much better 570 instead seems to be much wiser to me.
>>drop RAM that Ryzen highly benefits from that you'll have to upgrade to in six months when GPU prices drop and you can upgrade
He isn't on a GTX 1080, he isn't on a GTX 1070 either, he's on a fucking GTX 1050 ti and at best an RX 570. He could have 25 Niggahurtz RAM for all i care, it would not improve his performance by one single fucking bit. That part also included "IF" and made it clear that it was only a good choice if he can make BIG savings.
And you dare telling my advice is shit. I've rarely seen such a retard in all the time i've been here. Please stop posting right away.

>>61193794
>so he can only chose between the two
so if he can only chose between the twp*

Reminder that the reason Ryzen is getting close to the 7700k is because it's pushed to its LIMITS. It's always overclocked near 4GHZ which is degrading it and reducing its life span. If you'd like to have a computer that lasts and stays in good health go Intel as you won't need to overclock, otherwise you're in for a bad time with Ryzen.

>>61193890
Bragging about lifespan when the 7700k gets big temperature spikes underload is kind of a retarded thing to do. I'd rather run my CPU at 1.4v& 75°C constantly than have it jump between 80 and 65°C every few seconds. The former will live longer.

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>>61193933
What spikes? It's summer here by the way.

>>61193890
>ryzen in tests ran at stock clocks
>i7 was oc'd to 5ghz on liquid helium
Lul.

>>61193794
>>61193807
>>61193705
Okay, so in the end the best bang for buck would be something like this for the moment?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bRjzr7
Does Ryzen have iGPUs? I could hold out on the GPU until the Ethereum meme is over of they do.

>>61193794
The 1500X is hugely inferior for all but a few games, and will have the stuttering problems of a 7700k but without the better single core performance. Also, $24 dollars isn't going to let him upgrade to a 570 you dip shit, as it is over $300 more expensive for the foreseeable future.

>muh waiting meme
Just go kill yourself. There's no telling when GPU prices will return to normal. So your advice is no games for potentially months instead of buying a perfectly capable card that leaves a solid upgrade path. You can't just ignore price and say something is better build. Just deal with the fact you gave awful advice for the current market.

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hello anons I'm looking forward to upgrade some parts of my PC, what is your suggestions? where I should start? thanks

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How long am I going to be waiting for GPU prices to fall back down again?

>>61194043
By throwing that toaster in the trash and starting from scratch.

>>61194057
Half a year minimum.

>>61194057
Could be months since everybody jumped into the bandwagon of crypto currency mining.
The best hope would be market flooding or something, but that's highly unlikely.

>>61194043
Can't tell if this is bait, but if you can get the components for cheap change, I would max out the RAM and get a GPU with at least 2GB of memory.

But honestly, you would be better getting a budget build with a G4560.

>>61194043
>where I should start?
Buy an actual computer and stop using this ancient toaster.

>>61193960
I don't think you understood what i said. I talked about sudden temperature spikes, not high temperature (even though that's another problem for the 7700k). Sudden changes of temperatures is what make hardware die sooner the most.

>>61194043
Walk into any refurb store and spend 150 dollars to actually participate in this century. Use that computer to find parts for a real new computer.

>>61194023
>$24 dollars isn't going to let him upgrade to a 570 you dip shit, as it is over $300 more expensive for the foreseeable future.
Can you read?

>>61194016
No, it doesn't have an iGPU.

>>61194114
>Sudden changes of temperatures is what make hardware die sooner the most.
Isn't that's what you want to believe? Give me a really detailed source supporting what you're trying to advance.

>>61194155
Why are you taking this emotionally? Are you going to get angry at me for disagreeing with you? Please don't partake in brand wars.
https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/paul-taylor/core-i7-7700k-temperature-spikes-enrage-users/

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>>61192940
Msi B350 gaming pro is good enough and about 80 bucks

>>61194211
that can't be more than 40%.

>>61194136
Can you? You're recommending a non-existent option.

So I was gonna buy a pc part on bestbuy.com, and it is available at amazon for a lot cheaper. I have a bestbuy gift card, so I would prefer to buy it from there. Has anyone used bestbuy price match over the phone before? What am I in for?

>>61194016
No but the Ryzen APUs will eventually

>>61194136
Mane, I know you're trying to help me out, but 570s are expensive as shit because of the coin mining meme, and they're not going to magically become any cheaper anytime soon. Might as well as wait for Vega and in the meantime have some reserve power with that 1050ti (that I could sell to someone looking to upgrade from their 750ti or 950 or something).

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How do I get ryzen working on Windows 7?

>>61194329
Vega comes out at the end of the month, you're willing to spend $130 for a GTX 1050ti you're gonna replace anyway just to have your computer running sooner? And yet you worry about the price of the 570?

>>61194359
run it in a VM and passthrough cores and the GPU

>>61194188
>Why are you taking this emotionally? Are you going to get angry at me for disagreeing with you?
What? Isn't that the opposite right now?

I just asked a very simple question, you said "sudden changes in temperatures is what makes hardware die sooner", so please go on and make everyone learn more about hardware. It doesn't have anything to do with brands or whatever, I like AMD personally.

Hey guys, I know this is PC Building, but I was wondering if I could get some input on specs for a laptop for someone in college.
This is a refurb, but given the specs it seems like it'd be good enough?

>i7-620M 2.67GHz
>15.6''
>8gb RAM
>256gb SSD
>Windows 7
>$304.18

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA77G4MA9498&cm_sp=SellerProfile_MKPL-_-P1_9SIA77G4MA9498-_-07022017

>>61194384
>What? Isn't that the opposite right now?
I said something that made a CPU you happen to own bad looking, and you immediately became very defensive about it:
>Isn't that's what you want to believe? Give me a really detailed source supporting what you're trying to advance.
Doesn't help that you end up saying "no u" right after.

>>61194361
Hm. Come to think of it, now that I mentioned Vega, is it really going to be focused on gaming or is going to be something like NVIDIA Quadro or AMD FirePro? I could just put everything on hold until benchmarks are out...

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>buy used/refurbished A8-9600 ATX case for $400
>swap A8-9600 with a 65W TDP Ryzen 7 1700
Or
>wait until Zen 2 in Q2 2018 and swap then
Name one thing wrong with this approach

>>61194400
Looks old, bulky and probably has terrible run time on that battery. Too much money for these issues. What do you want to do with it?
>>/g/tpg will help you better than this general by the way. 300$ gets you a T430 with a dock and a second (new) battery.

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just trying to maybe lower the p[rice (around $1,200 USD). want to run blops 3 zombies high

>>61194454
this idea has been posted before but nobody has posted any results yet. The AM4 APUs are pretty rare still.

>>61194480
i mean the current price is around 1200, trying to lower it if possible

>>61194480
Total garbage, read the OP.

>>61194462
Just something for someone to take away for school that's not too expensive. I'll jump over to tpg though, thanks for your input!

>>61194485
I saw a refurbished A8-9600 pre-built on sale for $369 on newegg a few weeks ago. They're out there for sure, they're just not selling very well.

There is nothing preventing the AM4 boards on these Dell pre-builts from running Ryzen CPUs. The BIOS on these motherboards received an update in May, which means that they'll at least support Ryzen CPUs with DDR4-2666 memory. As long as you keep the power draw low, there shouldn't be any problems with the motherboard's power regs or the PSU.

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>>61194416
I wasn't defensive about anything, I have both a 7700k and a R5 1600. Pic taken with 3DS just now.

Sounds like you're spending too much time on 4chan, stop babbling about whether one or another is mad or whatever. Once again if you have a detailed proof on what you're trying to advance then please share it because I would be genuinely interested to learn more.
Otherwise if not this was nothing but your opinion, thus why I answered "isn't that simply what you want to believe?". You can't just throw non-supported facts around in hope to turn the tables around and believe no one is going to call you on for it.

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>>61194499
don't say it's garbage then not say what's wrong with it, cunt.

>>61194480
>200$ for that cpu
Holy shit this is hilarious

>>61192792
Because temporarily boosting production requires investment. Investment in more equipment, more manpower, better supply lines. And what happens when the bubble pops? Manufacturers are left with all this excess production capabilities and nowhere to use them. They have learnt since the GPU crisis of BTC and there is no way they are going to repeat their mistakes. Plus whatever production they have in excess right now is probably prepping for vega.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8yfwbj
Budgets $700, thoughts?

>>61194449
I won't get my hopes up if I were you
>No news
>No AMD "leaks"
>FE released to mediocre reviews

>>61194480

Get a B350 board and a Ryzen 5 1600
You can still get Windows 10 pro for free too.
Drop the DVD drive
get a cheaper wifi card
get 16GB of RAM

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forget building. just get this

CyberPowerPC Gamer Master GMA2400
>AMD Ryzen 7-1700X
>1TB HDD
>120GB SSD
>16GB RAM

>>61194916
>1 TB
>120 GB
Absolutely disgusting.

>>61194971
Rude

>>61194916
>Gamer Master
>SSD that fills up after 2 games
Lmao

>>61194982
My jav collection alone is over 1.5 TB, that rig uys a piece of shit. I mean it needs severe expansions.

Building a gaming pc on a budget. How does this build look?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GtV7bj

>>61195000
>Storing media on your desktop instead of in an NAS
Come on...

>>61195031
>Paying for a NAS when you don't actually need it

>>61195011
>AM3 platform
>580
Lmao. Please at least read the OP.

>>61195041
>Paying for an NAS
>Not just converting your old build to an NAS
What

>>61195011
Garbage cpu, out of stock gpu, paying for windows

>>61195000
Just add more hard drives you retard

>>61195011
Pretty awful / unbalanced: very weak CPU, g4560 / g4600 outperforms it. You can drop the cooler unless you care about noise but for a budget build it's still not a really wise choice
That GPU will be bottlenecked by either of these CPU regardless, and i'm fairly sure you can find a better PSU for that price like an EVGA 600B or such.

>>61195052
>Running two computers instead of one

>>61195043
Can you explain? I did read the OP

>>61195071
Are you so poor that the power pull from having another computer is something that troubles you?

>>61195091
Do you see your CPU on the list?
Also I noticed that the 580 is no longer noted as out of stock unlike the old OP. Yeah. The 580 is out of stock or hugely overpriced.

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I would say that its time for an upgrade, could you guys help me chose what to do first?

>>61195105
>Also I noticed that the 580 is no longer noted as out of stock unlike the old OP.
It's there though:
>Coin miners have driven price up and stock down, waiting to buy a GPU might be wiser

>>61195068
>Don't build a pc, buy this prebuilt one, then build it anyway because it's a piece of shit that lacks necessary components!
Genius.

>>61194622
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8yfwbj
I'd try to go for more RAM at possible, or at least the same amount over two sticks to take advantage of dual channel memory. You could also shave some of the wattage of your PSU if you needed to.

Other than that it looks good.

>>61195112
CPU

>>61195112
GPU is savagable.
So is the HDD and SSD.
Casing is dodgy.
Trash everything else including the PSU.

>>61195119
Not all cards tho. 1050 and 560 are still relatively in stock. It is the 580/570/480/470 and maybe 1070 that got hit the hardest.

>>61195071
>running a high end gaming PC 24/7 instead of a low power, headless server build
Yikes!

>>61195126
>>61195125
yea I was thinking the same thing
But I'm torn between spending the extra dollars to get into the ryzen game or saving money to spend on other components, and just getting an FX. What do you think?

>>61195139
I don't think we have enough characters left, this one is using about 2021 characters and iirc the limit is around 2040

>>61195152
Always aim for upgrading headroom. Saves you more money in the long term.

>>61195112
It's probably time to buck up and get a new mobo, CPU, and RAM.

>>61195000
>My jav collection
Yea, I don't care about your trash files or your over abundance of them

>>61195163
>>61195172
in other words go ryzen?
also whats wrong with the ram? Is it at least something that can wait?

>>61195200
The RAM is DDR3.
The current platforms (both intel and AMD) are DDR4 only.

>>61195158
I told you to get rid of the 1400 line, it shouldn't be that long in any way.

Anons anons I'm going for a 1080p build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2H4zr7 any suggestions/thoughts ?

>>61195251
you did?
well whatever, i'll remove it if i get to make the next thread, otherwise someone else will

is there any real reason to spend 150 on a mobo instead of 50?

>>61195286
Looks good, just be aware that GPU is out of stock and won't be back in stock anytime soon.

>>61195286
580 is out of stock
Check your QVL
Otherwise it is fine although that casing seems excessive.

>>61195286
You can get a 144hz monitor for the same price maybe less.

>>61195303
Build Quality

Best AIO cooler?

>>61195303
Overclocking would be a very bad idea. Also might have less ports.

>>61195311
I'm from a 3d world country and it's actually in stock and I doubt that anyone in my city knows a shit about digital currency mining

Ok so I have been given an old pc

Is it worth the upgrade?
I was told it was too old.....more input please

>Ram DDR2 800, 8gb max
>graphics slot is a PCI x16
>needs a new Power supply because the one it has is 350w

>>61195303
It depends mostly on the chipset. There are varying features you might need to spend more to get. Within the chipset though, you're only paying for minor layout differences, port availability, brand, and looks.

So the answer is yes, because you could spend $50 on an A-whatever mobo for Ryzen with four extra PCI-e lanes, or an x370 with eight extra lanes, but is there any reason to spend that much on a different mobo with the same chipset? No.

>>61195345
Well then fuck you you lucky piece of shit.

>>61195315
What is a better feature ? 144hz/TN or 60hz/IPS?

i just bought an athlon

>>61195387
Gaming for former.
Production stuff and media consumption for latter.

The GPU shortage has pigoned hole everyone into the GTX 1050/1050ti or RX 560.

Maybe if your lucky you can find a reasonable price on a GTX 1060 but don't count on it.

we're all fucked, I swear to god I'm going to support the IRS cracking down on cryptojews just to spite them, pieces of shit.

>>61195387
IPS gives you a better viewing angle and color representation. 144hz makes games feel smoother (as long as you can get around 144 fps, otherwise there will be screen tearing).

>>61195405
Even the 1080ti and 1080 have seen increases in prices

>>61195363
If it's using DDR2 then the CPU is most likely way too weak to handle gaming properly, even e-sport stuff. Not much point in upgrading that.

If anyone from EU looks for a 580 I got you http://www.hartorama.gr/i-y-perifereiaka/hardware/kartes-grafikon/crucial-sapphire-vga-pci-e-radeon-nitro-rx-580-4g-oc-11265-07-20g-4gb-256bit-gddr5-dvi-d-2xhdmi-2xdisplay-port-2-slot-dual-x-fan-3yw._518316/?skuId=519161

>>61195460
That does not look one bit sketchy at all

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>>61195422
>Bought 1080ti barely a month ago for around 750€
>Check amazon today
>Same card is 900€

>>61195489
The kikes are behind it

>>61195405
>we are all fucked
You, not me. I bought my 480 for dirt cheap before this bullshit started.

>>61195468
It is a valid store, the thing is that it's actually a bookstore and they have no idea what they are selling and as I mentioned before no one knows about digital currency mining in my country and that's why the prices are this low

How much is a good case worth splurging on?

Any cases with good airflow and handles?

>>61195969
Any high end Phanteks or NZXT cases are good.

>>61195969
>handles
Just add them to whatever case you get.

Good airflow is going to come down to how many drive bays you need. Plenty of cases have fan mounts on the top and bottom, but if you can bet by without 5.25 external drive bays and a few HDDs and SSDs, look for a case with its bays on top of the PSU shroud and behind the mobo plate. That'll leave the front of the case completely open to airflow.

>>61195969
I spent about a hundred bucks and it's the best part of my pc buy far.

>>61196030
what'd you get m8?

I should have spent extra on the hard drive instead of being a cheapskate and settled on seagate[spoiler]It died barely a month in,
there was a horrible beeping noise[/spoiler].

>>61195405
I had a 1060 reserved on a store but the fucking clerk forgot about it when someone paid twice for it.

>>61195969
My personal favorite is the NZXT S340

>>61196042
Mastercase 5.

Canada here. What's the cheapest decent SSD (upwards to 100$ maybe) I can get? I'm just looking to keep my operating systems on it, so 120 GB should be sufficient.

I was looking at Logical Increments, but their recommended SSD (PNY CS1311) has gone up to 95$ from their listed price of 80$, so I'm not too sure if it's still one of the better options.

>>61190690
>integrated graphics
not even used on intels shit in 99.9% of these benchmarks

Thoughts on this build? Mostly for gaming and just general internet browsing: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tGYs7h

WHAT THE FUCK WHY ARE 1080TIS SUDDENLY £750 WHEN THEY WERE £650 A WEEK AGO FUCKING MINERS REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>61196178
I'd tell you to get an evo 850 250gb, that's 110$.

What's the best 8-10GB hard drive to get to throw blu-ray rips and 4k rips of movies, tv shows, and anime on that's both reliable and not super slow to run in a Raid 1?

whats the way to go with monitors nowadays? When I built my pc I was on a tight budget so I just used an old ass Dell flat panel square thing, and an hd tv that both weren't being used in my house. Its nice because I play games on the tv and the dell is taller so I put shit to read over there. I think a bigger res would be nice though

>tl;dr
Cheap + good monitors? Don't need a big screen, just want that big res

Who /wait4volta/ here?

>>61196600
More like /wait4navi/

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So I'm stuck between two monitors. Pic related (Dell P2416D) which is 1440p/60hz and an LG 29" ultrawide fullHD monitor (29UM68-P).
The LG one has freesync and 5ms (gtg) but is a lower resolution. The dell allows for portrait mode since I will be programming, but I will also play games. Also the dell has 8ms gtg response time.
Which one should I get /g/? Pls help me, can't decide!
I have an RX 470 4gb, skylake i7 and 16gb ram.

>>61196636
Neither

Are 120Hz+ IPS monitors real or is it fake IPS or something

>>61196363
I'm getting so annoyed by this shit. I was supposed to finish my build in the following weeks but the increase in GPU price is sending me over budget

>>61196636
both of those sound like ass

>>61196722
They should be real, but they'll just have higher response time that kinda defeats the purpose of high refresh rate

>>61196649
>>61196767
Why??
I live in Brazil and choices are limited.Also I don't have much money. What would you recommend?

>>61196792
if you're going to be gaming anything over 7ms response is going to be noticeable
just get a 1080p monitor with low response times

>Everyone is shitting on AMD
IT IS NOT FAIR
NOT FAIIIIIIR

>>61196824
what about the LG monitor? It's IPS, has freesync (so low input lag?), 5ms response time and it's 29" 1080p 21:9 (2560x1080).
I know TN panels can have 1ms but honestly I'm also gonna watch movies from the bed and shit so viewing angles and color quality is kinda important. If you have any recommendations I'd like to hear them

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>>61196832

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>>61196832
meh. just learn to ignore them. If they want to throw their money away for less performance/reliability, that's their problem

>>61196962
>>61196974
Oh they are winning in the CPU. They are absolutely getting shit on by everyone for their Vega FE at the moment.

>>61196983
Vega FE isn't even worth talking about anyways. RX Vega had the die changed. And Vega overall is just a stepping stone. Navi is the real goal.
I could not care less is RX Vega can properly tackle pascal anyways. Vega is just a stepping stone to learn from. There's GOING to be mistakes on Vega. That's a given, but the lessons learned from it will be applied to navi. Like how the lessons learned from the mistakes of Bulldozer went into Zen.

>>61197010
Is this the new Vega go to excuse?
What happened to all the hype? HBM2?

>>61195969
I spent ~$90 on a Fractal Define C and it was worth it

>>61197048
I can't make up my mind between the define C and define S.
Define S accomodates a 360 rad on top and has support for watercooling which is something i want to get into in the future, but i don't know if its worth to buy the Define S for something that i might do in a year or two.
I'm not sure what the Define C does better though?

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>>61197036
it's not an excuse. people have been speculating this was the case for over a year now. AMD's plan is scalability in everything, especially GPUs. If the scalability works out like Zen did, nvidia won't be able to compete.
The HBM2 is REQUIRED for their plans. They won't be able to pull it off without it. But as I've said before, the real wonder-tech here is AMD's Infinity fabric. THAT is the secret weapon.

>>61197092
So 2019 is finally the year we will see a competent AMD card? Is that it? I can't wait. Who /waiting4navi/ here?

>>61197087
Define C is for a more compact build while not sacrificing looks but sacrificing drive cages. It has a basement for the PSU and the drive cage for 3 drives and a panel behind the mobo for 3 SSDs. Its compact, but efficient. Only real drawback is the PSU has to be fan side down

>>61197138
Thanks i just looked at the size comparisons again and noticed that yeah the C is much shorter length wise, i wish i could see them both IRL and just compare them there, i'm really not sure what to pick.


Probably will get the S, while i like the PSU cover for a cleaner look, i'm okay for a slightly bigger case if it means that its got a bit more space for eventually watercooling it .

>>61197120
>So 2019 is finally the year we will see a competent AMD card?
very likely. Vega will be a competent card in the meantime, but just like early AM4 motherboards, there will be teething problems early on with Vega. Vega will be a good place to put your money on an interim card.
Zen and Vega are more proof of concept than anything else. a HUGE chunk of the plan involves getting the 7nm architecture working and in production by the end of 2018. If they get the 7nm working, It's all over for Intel and nvidia.

>>61197210
>Vega value for money
>They will blow out Nvidia for sure
Now that Vega has been proven to be a dud, it seems AMD fanboys have fallen back to Navi and Wait memes. For all you know Volta could blow anything AMD puts out out of the water. Radeon isn't as competent as you make them out to be.

>>61197252
I never said Vega would blow out nvidia. Maybe you'd understand if you read the whole thing instead of skipping words. NAVI is the one that will BTFO nvidia. vega is just a competitive stopgap in the corporate master plan.
I have to say. If either Elon Musk or Dr. Lisa Su decided to become a supervillian, we'd all be doomed.

>>61197282
>NAVI is the one that will BTFO nvidia
Sure it will. Looks like the Navi hype train has started already despite Vega not even being released yet. Vega details aren't even clear yet and this anon is certain that Navi will BTFO Nvidia. Reminds me of a certain situation at months ago..... hmmm.
:thinking:

>>61197294
>thinks he knows better than a coming 7nm architecture that will be competing against 10nm architectures

>>61197348
>Nvidia will stop progressing while AMD does despite Nvidia coming up with the 1080ti with no clear competitor in sight for a fucking mile
I sure like your narratives anon.
You see anyone hyping Volta? Nope. You know why? Nvidia doesn't need delusional predictions about the future to body the garbage RTG comes up with.

>>61197374
On the contrary. AMD hasn't been hyping Vega. Fans did that on their own.
I would be a fan of nvidia if they didn't gimp their drivers to force you to buy a new card every 2 years.

>>61197402
Not optimizing drivers for old cards =/= gimping their drivers. Gimping implies they are intentionally crippling their old cards.

>On the contrary. AMD hasn't been hyping Vega. Fans did that on their own.
Ironic coming from someone hyping up the Navi which will BTFO nvidia.

>>61197421
did I come to hype? Not really. I came to put some reasonable expectations on vega without calling it shit when it isn't. If that shifts the hype elsewhere, not my fault they're a brandwhore.
I don't care who wins, I just want good competition, and it looks like AMD has all the weapons they need to lay down a fucking smack down.

>>61197458
>did I come to hype? Not really
The delusional is real.
This unreleased tech from 2019 will BTFO Nvidia. Apparently this is not hyping. Remember how Vega was hyped to beat Pascal cause muh HBM2?

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>buying a 1tb when a 2tb is $15 more expensive at MOST

>>61197470
>Consumer Vega cards aren't out yet
>claiming they won't BTFO nvidia
wow. That's some brand loyalty.

>>61197505
Consumer Vega isn't going to be very much different from Vega FE. In fact that is a way more logical assumptions than saying Navi will BTFO Nvidia.

>>61197519
>Consumer Vega isn't going to be very much different from Vega FE
The die was fucking changed you retard. It's completely different.

>>61197586
Vega FE is going to use the same silicon that Vega RX is going to you complete fucking moron.

I was going to build a poorfag rig with a G4560, but considering how fucked the GPU market is I'm thing about just putting my GPU money into a i5 7600K and putting in a GPU when it calms down a bit. How good are the integrated graphics on those? Would it be able to run AAAs on lower settings?

>>61197593
Buy a second hand GPU. There are plenty of people selling their old Nvidia cards. No luck with AMD unless you get their old non-R9 cards.

>>61195405
do you guys think the 1050s are gonna go out of stock too?

>>61197624
No. They will increase in price due to gamers forced to buy them. They won't go out of stock.

>>61196853
Freesync doesn't mean low input lag at all, it actually tends to increase it

Hey guys, I'm having trouble with my SSD while trying to bench a new PC build, it's a Kingston SSDnow V300, previously had Windows 8 installed and I just formatted it through Disk Managment (I don't know if this is enough or if I formatted it correctly), and when plugging into new mobo I keep getting the Boot Device LED. What am I doin wrong here?

>>61198187
Do I need to have OS installed on the SSD before I can boot?

>>61197607
Not even them anon, R9-280's are selling for $399...

>>61198225

>>61198225
>>61198699
No. You can boot via USB and install your OS onto your SSD.

>>61194651
>You can still get Windows 10 pro for free too.

How?

>>61199388
>(You)
search assistance tools upgrade, you can use it on illegal W7.to turn it into legit windows 10

>>61199481
>you can use it on illegal W7

tfw couldn't even get legal win 7 on my qts pc because no disc drive and the fucking installation shit doesn't approve of ubs 3.0, which is all her motherboard/case has

i knew the assistant shit worked, but didn't know pirated versions of previous windows was supported

What do I do about the OS for my new computer?
I'd prefer Windows 7 but am not sure how to legally get it, and I don't bring shitposting into reality so no Linux(if I make a second pc I will)

>>61199719
you buy it.

So I'm looking to buy a 1080ti.
Thinking of getting the evga sc2.
Should I pull the trigger on it or get something else?

>>61199719
see >>61182855 and >>61182865

What the fuck do I do about upgrading my RX 460 2GB in this climate?

>>61199929
Nothing. Be glad you have a functional GPU.

>>61190178
Why then do all the AM4 boards have HDMI/DVI outputs?