/tpg/ - Thinkpad General

first for x200s

frst for remember to clean your cumpad

4rd for glorious t42

>>61112595
>t42
>no t43p

ya blew it lad

>>61112615
>not original T40 that can use both PATA and SATA hdd and has ultrabay slim
>also being noticeable thinner than T30
The hell you are smoking

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Join the discord!
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>>61112615
T42 has its charm.
>not a QXGA R50p

>>61112920
yo saucey make a video on ebay selling.

>>61112920
>tfw I have T30, Cisco aironet PCMCIA card and couple of floppy drives
I do plan to get integrated floppy drive on my T30 because muh security factor when compared with USB.

>>61112991
In what regards? I should make another eBay laptop buying guide video... That old one is bad. xD

Should I do a beginner's guide on eBay selling, like packaging and slinging laptops?
i am also thinking of the setup we have at my work. but the lighting at the warehouse is shit... and its cluttered at the moment.

>>61112995
I think all my floppy drives are bad on the T-Series ThinkPads I have. Maybe one drive works.
Need to get a zip drive.

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Greatest. Of. All. Time.

>>61113077
>floppy drives are bad on the T-Series ThinkPads
Huh? Is this a thing? I mean my CD drive on my T30 seems to be dead from what I have diagnostic it. Couldn't get any file from it and the whole machine couldn't read any cds.
Well damn, I might as well just get ultrabay batter that is compatible with ultrabay slim or hdd caddy.

>>61113077
>Should I do a beginner's guide on eBay selling, like packaging and slinging laptops?
yeah, I just watched your last vid, I think, the one where you go though through some dude's listings.

ebay buying and selling guide would be nice

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And here it is.
Mah T30 w/ GENTOO
feels good man

>>61113158
No. I think all of mine are bad. Just bad luck on my part, I don't necessarily store them well too. I think.
I got a lot of bad CD/DVD drives too... (x
When I mean a lot, it was like, the 5th one I tested finally worked.

>>61113198
like critiquing other listings? Nice mode like how Kyle and Paul talk about other's people pc builds?
I could do one about my favorite sellers that I buy parts/laptops from.
Oh yes and laptop buying. It might take me months, but I'll wait to get a laptop that I'll flip for almost twice it's price.

>>61113263
>one week later

congrats, now install arch

>>61113500
>like critiquing other listings?
well, that could work too.

I was thinking about to sell stuff on ebay, how to take pictures, packaging, stuff like that.

>>61113750
Ah, gotcha. Will do :D

>>61113534
But this still need some polishing and there is a lot still to do.
My to-do-list says LFS or TempleOS. Well parabola is there as well but I have find away to install parabola and get rid of systemd to install openrc instead.

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Budget:
<600€ (more if it will be worth it)
Location:
Lithuania, Eastern Europe so no eBay and other large auction (?) Sites
Size:
Don't care I just don't want keyboard like in pic related (it looks too big and imo it's kinda ugly no offence tho)
Stuff I'll do on it:
Web, shit to mid tier programming
(maybe indie games like tboi and darkest dungeon)
Other requirements:
Durable
6+ h battery life
Good screen

I need it to be upgradable so it would be usable like next 4-7 years

And I found used think pad t520 for 300eur it looks like new from photos I have seen so maybe I should just take it or I could get something even better for more?

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>>61114339
Unless the specs of the T520 are *really* good, that's a very steep price.
What's in it?

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The pen-compatible models seem relatively cheap. Any reason why those aren't more common?

>>61114406
>>61114339

I know you said no ebay but this is just to give you a rough idea, I looked at the EU ebay too to get an even closer idea, about the same price after conversion.

Why buy lenovo? They install backdoors at the chink factory

>>61114409
they suck

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>>61114406
380 HDD and 1920x1080 LDC screen
So only ram upgrade from what I can see.

>>61114471
yeah, I'd say that's too much. Unless thinkpads are stupidly expensive over there I'd wait.

>>61114452
Guessing the pen sratches the display huh? Looks like an ATM display (or Nintendo DS)

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sup

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>>61114490
no it's a glass display and the pen tips are plastic

they are good compared to other convertible laptops
but they suck at being a tablet and suck at being a laptop

>>61113886
Good luck getting TempleOS on 32 bit hardware

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>>61114490
>>61114530
i've been using an x230 tablet for about 6 months now after switching from an x220 (non-tablet). its alright, but its not worth paying extra for in my opinion since the only bonus that the tablet models have are IPS screens and you can just mod a new IPS panel into any other thinkpad anyway. the pen is really good if you use it with oneNote (i use this laptop for university and math note-taking is really easy thanks to it) but thats really it

Anybody have luck with an AFFS screen on the x200?

I hear it makes it less shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4GQJ1wz55E

>>61114620
Australia ?

>>61112469
The latch on my x60 broke. what do?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X220-12-5-Windows-7-Intel-Core-i5-2-5GHz-4GB-RAM-128GB-HDD-/172739147814?hash=item28380e3826:g:4YsAAOSwyWZZSArL

About to cop this.

Wish me luck.

>>61114541
lol, is this thing going to overheat now?
wtf did you use?

I think your fan intake is neat tho.

>>61115047
dang that's a great deal

>>61114688
The peg or the mechanism?

>>61114530
>>61114620
These are the ultimate school laptops IMO, Tablet mode works great for taking notes. When I was at uni all I would carry is my x220t, charger, and a small folder for loose paper. Would steal the monitors, keyboards, and mouse from computer lab computers for a workstation setup.

I can't imagine a more practical device, however now that I've graduated I'm thinking of upgrading to a x230 and do the keyboard mod, since tablet is sortof useless for non-pen activities

>>61113101
Just picked one up. Installing antergos ATM. Even got a docking station with it.

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Just ordered a specced out W510

What am I in for lads?

>>61115125
>is this thing going to overheat now?
2ºC ou 3ºC more in the motherboard.
>wtf did you use?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Insulating-Tape-Liquid-Electrical-Black/dp/B000LNKIFS
>I think your fan intake is neat tho
thks

Why are the Lenovos well liked but not the HPs? Just wondering, is it the ports?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5cKuO8ojAU

I want a laptop with a 1080p screen and a decent processor that won't give me shit if I install Linux on it at about $170 or less. Suggestions?

So I just got my w520.
I install ubuntu through usb just to get it going.
Don't like ubuntu after 5 minutes of running, try to install arch through usb to see what the "next step" is before I go into gentoo.
All hell breaks loose.
Usb boot doesn't work.
Try to just run ubuntu again, doesn't work.
Just shows type mark thing flashing.
Try multiple things, different usb's different distros to boot from usb, write off usb boot not working, just flashes black and comes back to bios screen.
Take out ssd, its a samsung 125gig
Erase it all.... idk if this was a good idea or not....
put it back in, re-try the usb boots, nothing works.
Stuck in bios screen.
Burning Arch on a dvd right now as we speak.
In b4 it doesn't work too.
(Kinda want windows 7 but its my first day running linux so i'm not going to give up)
Help please and thanks

>>61116356
Its a great laptop. I've had x,t,w series. w510 was my favorite.

>>61116872
If you dont like ubuntu, theres no way you're are going to like arch or gentoo. What didnt you like about it?

>>61116907
right now I don't like that it wont run on my w520 after I installed it. Like why you no keep loading you ugly looking OS you.
I didn't like it cause it was ugly.
Arch and Gentoo are more intricate which makes them more beautiful.

But nvm, I doubted boot from dvd. Thank you internet gawdz for boot from dvd.

>>61116959
>Arch and Gentoo are more intricate which makes them more beautiful.
You're retarded. Ubuntu can look exactly the same as arch and gentoo.

>>61116872
You probably want either Mint or Kubuntu since you seem like a complete beginner.

If you like, type
sudo apt install kde
into your Ubuntu before wiping it it to try out KDE, not my preference but it's easy to set up and newbies tend to like it.

>>61116970
Not gonna lie, Still learning the differences of application between ubuntu, arch and gentoo.
All I know is Gentoo is the way to have full control over the linux platform. Arch is like diet version of gentoo and ubuntu is used by air force and I have no clue what it can do.
But Im simply trying to use this laptop to do all my coding and learning on.
<3 you 2 anon.

>>61116978
idk anon I kind of want to learn

>>61117067
Well stick with ubuntu, debian, or fedora especially if you are new. Dont listen to anyone telling you to install gentoo or arch. Just because its harder to install doesnt mean anything. You're better off actually using your os than spending all your time installing it. I recommend trying ubuntu mate.

>>61117067
You're not going to learn to swim by jumping straight into the deepest part of the pool, nigger.

How about you learn the basics of the OS before you read documentation geared towards intermediate *NIX users.

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>>61117103
>>61117136
Halp with my first derp so I can conquer the derps to come?
PLZ MASs'uh

What processor do you guys recommend for the T470?

>>61112469
got an x220
now what

>>61117338
Install a Unix-based POSIX-compliant Operating System

>>61117386
i already have

Would you rather have an X230 or a T430, both with HD+ or FHD and the classic keyboard mod?

i bough a t430 yesterday, a model with i5-3360m, but it has the dedicated nvidia graphics, which was not listed when i was buying it. is there a way to disable it? some people say the the edp and d-sub ports are wired onloy to the dgpu. i will be running linux, so is it better to return the laptop and search for a version without the dgpu?

So I just nabbed a nicely kitted out T420 in fantastic condition for cheap.
What now?

What is the best thinkpad for linux?

>>61116356
an old, slow, thick laptop with shit battery life
>>61114574
>>61114550
>>61114541
that looks fucking hideous, why the hell would you do this?

>>61117902
one without optimus

>>61114409
i have one, the x220t. Its pretty fuckin dope. I use it with renoise a lot. Altho its somewhat heavy and im sure the hinge is a weakpoint. ive traveled with it in a backpack and it was aight.

>install Linux
> Bluetooth doesn't work
Mmmm...

I am a retard,
whats so different about a thinkpad than a normal laptop.
Also can i code on it.
Even games?

>>61117521
Both.

>>61118498
Wow anon!
You are a retard!
It's just a normal laptop
But more durable and usually has longer battery life or at least an option to strap on enough batteries that'd you have a hard time flying with it

>Budget: as cheap as possible
>Location: UK
>Size: doesn't matter
>Performance: able to play rainbow six siege and witcher 3
>Other requirements: cheap

>>61118285
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/bluetooth
plsease read this you lazy nigger (no matter what distro, arch wiki is a great source)
>>61118624
thinkpad *20 + eGPU through ExpressCard port, and some motherfucking GPU which will run those games well

>>61118498
A Thinkpad will tend to be a well built enterprise laptop designed for survivability and repairability. They're fairly cheap and plentiful too, in hardware configurations that are still useful today.
I just nabbed a 2011 model from a seller today and on the merits of the keyboard I'm typing with right now alone, I think it's my favorite ever laptop. Feels like I could throw it at a tank and the tank would be worse off, too. It's just pure quality.

>>61118665
It just doesn't work

So now that I'm used to using a Thinkpad, what am I supposed to do when I want/need something more powerful in a portable form factor?

>>61119561
newer thinkpad

>>61119966
Have Lenovo un-fucked the range yet? Because from what I've seen it's basically all downhill from the xx30's on.

when upgrading to an ssd, is it better to get sata or msata and put it next to my radio card? are there any drawbacks to having an msata ssd? i am not sure whether ssds heat up and i do not want it to heat up my left palmrest.

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>>61120349
**40 was about the lowest of the low
The trackpoint didn't have buttons on the **40, and the X1C had an absolute abomination of a keyboard

It's slowly getting better. Keyboards are still chiclet, but from what I've seen on /r/Thinkpad, they're not bad keyboards and some people prefer them to the old keyboards.

>>61120437
Good to know that by the time I've worn this T420 out there might actually be a half-decent replacement.
How about the actual build quality? I've heard some serious complaints that things have been going downhill in both durability and quality control. Kind of concerning considering they're both things you kind of expect with the Thinkpad name.

Do you guys own more than one thinkpad?

I'm thinking of getting another one, because lugging around a T420 all day kinda sucks. I'll use the T420 at home, and have my portable be the X220.

Is an X220 a good choice? Can you mod the screen to IPS?

>>61120454
Again, from what I've seen on /r/Thinkpad, QC doesn't seem to be a strong point of Lenovo, but it's still rare to get problems.
Plus, the returns process doesn't seem to be too painful so if you do buy a brand new one, you aren't spending weeks trying to contact Lenovo and get a replacement.

Saying that, they're very well built

>>61120437
I have used both keyboards and the new one is not as bad as some claim.
The keys are better than any other laptop brand and on par with the old ones.
There is more spacing around the keys which means hitting the wrong key is very rare, but cleaning the keyboard is a bit harder.

What is bad about the new keyboard is the layout.
The printscreen has replaced the menu key which is enfuriating, the pg up/dwn is moved down to the arrow keys which is actually pretty good, but the worst for me was the f-keys placement.
Before they were seperated into groups of 4 which means you could easily press the right one, but now this is a lot harder.

okay /tpg/ I'm buying x200
>no ram
>no hdd
>a battery
>no mention of charger but I might phone them up soon
I have spare hdds and a spare kit 8gb of ddr3
what else do I need to know? any quirks?
hows the performance?
I'm planning on making this my dedicated shitpost machine for installing distros and messing around with it while I keep my T430 more for entertainment and my daily driver

>>61118624
Raibown six siege is playable even on t420 with intel hd 3000 (Using a dual-channel memory, for gods sake.)

You can't expect Witcher 3 without a dedicated GPU, and even so, it would have to be relatively new, this games sucks for optimization. (Meanwhile, you can play MGS:V looking equally good or better on those intel suck-ass igpus.)

>>61117946
I'm thinking of drilling holes right under to improve the intake of air for my x220t. some said it is pretty effective on theirs

>>61120458
fantastic portable laptops, x220 had an IPS option, but they are hard to find. probably easier to just replace the screen. you can get the x220tablet which always comes with an IPS screen, but at the cost of a bit larger and less battery space due to the tablet conversion setup

>>61121172
You need a bit of tweaking to get mgstpp running though
Like reducing the shadow size just a bit more than the settings would let you

From a performance and compatibility standpoint, what's the best OS to be running on an xx20? I've got a unit that the last owner stuck W10 on and I'm wondering if I should bother switching to 7 before I get around to slapping an SSD in it.

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Did I do good? I will be installing Void most likely! All x220 users, tell me about this laptop!

How hard/expensive is it to swap a T420 screen with a FHD+ IPS screen?

I bought t440p and installed Loonix on it. When I run https://github.com/mjg59/mei-amt-check, it says:

Intel AMT is present
AMT is unprovisioned

AFAIK it means that my computer is not vulnerable to network infection but is vulnerable to local privilege escalation. How do I patch it? Lenovo website only has the update as an exe file.

>>61122670
if you disable AMT you aren't vulnerable to anything

>>61121683
If you're not from the US thats a great price, if you are, you could have probably gotten it for lower, but still not terrible.

fantastic piece of hardware, you're gonna fall in love with it. Depending on your needs, you might want to upgrade the battery.

>>61121683
No

>>61121945
Pls reply, only info I can find is outdated with broken links

>>61121945
>FHD+

do you mean FHD or HD+?

well, you won't find an HD+ IPS screen
and FHD swap is not existent as far as I'm aware

>>61117103
If there is something about arch you do like (cough, AUR packages) just use antergos. It makes everything way easier.

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why is my irda module pulsing every 10 seconds

i have it disabled, i dont even have the drivers for it installed

Fuck, it's impossible to find a T430 that ships to Romania.

I just want to buy a semi-decent cheapo notebook for my mother. Is Lenovo's IdeaPad 100/110 line any good?

>>61124918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoOs1YrKjkw&list=PL02HDVnTgIcrQWYv9O6eEiGcyhbsOo_0y&index=23

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>tfw just put in an mSATA SSD as a boot drive
Reminder that if you haven't done so, you absolutely should get one.

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My T450 broke (dropped down the stairs) the screen is smashed and the hinge has snapped completely. I've got £200, should I just sell my thinkpad how it is then buy a better one, or should I repair it?

>>61125387
My X220 boots 5s faster to the login screen with a normal SSD, so no, I will not.

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>>61125653
>5s faster
damn you got me there

>>61125566
Just came here to say that you asked for it by buying a chinkpad.

>>61125566
>£200
you might as well buy another one and just swap out the parts

>>61120437

Its pretty unanimous, the feel of the chiclet keys is nicer but the old layout is better.

I got a free X220 a while back and a free T420, both from my job

I already use the x220 as an edc laptop for work, mostly to use during my lunch hour.

What should i do with the T420?

>>61125387
Enjoy being gimped by sata 2 speeds

>>61125387
That's slow as fuck, even my windows 10 install boots faster.

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>>61126404
Pic related

>>61126433
what's being gimped by sata2 speeds?

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>>61126451
>windows 10

>>61126502
your drive

>>61124327
Is it impossible to have 1080p on a t420? I can settle for a 1600x900 as long as the display isn't shit.

>>61126528
no it's not, random access times are identical on between sata2 and sata3

so where exactly is the gimping?

>>61126546
>30 second boot up times from an ssd
>not gimped
fuck off nigger

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Do you use a laptop sleeve?

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>>61126558
Actually it's 25 seconds :^). If the x220 was libreboot compatible and I used an autisticly minimal linux distro like arch or gentoo I could easily drop the boot time to your whatever your standards are.

>>61126502
Your msata ssd.

Do a benchmark. Even random read and write got gimped in mine.

>>61126404
Get a chink quad-core, use the express card for an eGPU, and boom, you have a desktop.

>>61126533
People say about some alienware display, but i dunno. I have a 1600x900 one, for chinese cartoons is actually pretty good, but viewing angles fucking sucks, and colors are quite bland most of the time.

It sounds horrible, but it's pretty usable, it just hurts a bit knowing you could have better colors.

>>61126711
>quad-core
>t420
>desktop
Enjoy yuor 90ºC ~ 100ºC cpu temp

hey /tpg/ friends
I repasted my t430 recently and it idles at around 40-42 C
is that okay?

>>61126873
fuck you

>>61126873
ya

>>61126898
thanks
@61126882
calm down friendo

>>61126967
>@
kys

>>61115503
The Mechanism. It has to much give and the peg can be pulled out.

>>61126848
1st, get a decent thermal past
2nd, get the right heatsink: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Original-Cooling-Fan-For-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T420I-T420-Cooler-Radiator-Heatsink-Fan-04W0408-Free-shipping/32382354672.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.2.3Anvj7&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10065_10151_10068_10136_10137_10060_10155_10062_437_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_303_100031_10099_10103_10102_5320014_10096_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051_10173_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_519_10111_10112_10113_10114_10182_10078_10079_5260014_10073_10123_10189_142,searchweb201603_51,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=750e8c36-0c4f-4270-9d64-c736a31c5570&algo_expid=9f2f9faf-f34b-464b-956d-b84aae0407ab-0&algo_pvid=9f2f9faf-f34b-464b-956d-b84aae0407ab

But i would understand you not knowing about this.

T430 for $255. Should I buy? Mainly I need a substitute for my old laptop which is falling apart.

>>61126660
>using a gimped bootloader and then a "minimal" (Gimped) os to rival the speeds of my full fat windows 7.
So sad

>>61127439
you can get them much cheaper

>>61127473
I need one ASAP, and this is the best deal on the local market. Cheaper one with delivery would cost not much lower.

>>61127514
Where I live that's pretty much dirt cheap, get it if you can't get one cheaper.

Do the T420 and T430 have the same heatsink?

>>61120458
>T420 all day kinda sucks
How scrawny are you anyway?

>>61120458
I'm about to buy and keep T4** with me all day, while having gaming laptop at home.

>>61112469
Hi, I need help.

I am buying an X220 tomorrow (in about 12 hours) and the battery on it is shit. How long will a 5200mAh battery last? I've got one on my E728 emachine and it lasts about 5 hours working. Can I expect more/less if there is no DVD drive and I dim the lights considerably?

Thank you, guys.

>>61127681
Found T420 for $170. Should be better?

>>61128454
5200mah and what voltage?

>>61128487
no

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My E6430 was almost delivered, but I wasn't home to sign for it. I guess I can wait one more day. ;-;

What is the best dock for a x230 and t430? model number, wiki is confusing.

As in the most features and ports?

I want to get rid of my gayman pc, I don't play anything anymore.
I mainly use my thinkpad, but I need to connect a bunch of stuff.

Also, how much should I expect to pay?

>>61128586
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd024298

specifically this one I think
ThinkPad Mini Dock Plus Series 3 with USB 3.0 – 90W: (433815U - U.S.)

I don't think the X230/T430 can use the 170W docks, I think those only work on the W-series. So avoid that.

But the docks usually go for less than $20 on Ebay

Budget: ~500e
Location: Finland
Size: Nothing too big, gonna carry it around a lot.
Performance: Enough for programming and taking notes in class without having to wait too long for things to load. Maybe some low tier indie games.
Other requirements: Durable with a good keyboard. Need a good battery life (8h and up preferably).

>>61128720
W700 or X240

>>61128638
>ThinkPad Mini Dock Plus Series 3 with USB 3.0 – 90W: (433815U - U.S.)
thx!

>I don't think the X230/T430 can use the 170W docks, I think those only work on the W-series. So avoid that.
Really, why would they work?

>>61128940
I meant why wouldn't they work?

>>61128940
>>61128955
The 170W adapter uses a different power plug that's only on the W series.

>>61128955
The 135W and 170W power adapters have a notch in them and can't be used on things other than the W-series. You also can't use smaller power adapters on the W-series because of the notch in the power port.

The dock's power port should work the same way. But if the dock comes with the power adapter then it might not be a problem. But I don't know. Maybe it would work just fine. Google it.

>>61128811
Thanks, will check them out.

>>61128992
>>61129057
thx for the help!

>>61128557
10.8V, sorry

Is there any heatpipe mod(or something else) that I could do to improve thermals on a x220T?

>>61129271
5200 mah 10.8v = about 56Wh, which should get about 6 hours battery life

the 9-cell batteries are 94Wh and get 10-12 hours

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>>61126679
ok

would you look at that, it's nothing

>>61129341
undervolt your cpu

>>61129554
isn't impossible to undervolt?

>>61129591
look it up.

>>61129359
Well then I guess that can wait for a while. I'm getting really good times with the e728 battery and I suspect that laptop is even less battery friendly than the X220.

Thank you, my friend. Also, how did you calculate the Wh? Is it like

mAh = the amount of charge
V = the speed of discharge
and you divide those to get the battery time?

The 9-cell is about 10$ more, but I'll be cool for a while with this one.

ALSO, any way to charge the battery without the laptop? If this exists, I'm buying 3 batteries and charging them so I can swap. That would be fucking fantastic. With boot times being 30s or so, I can be down, swap, up and running within 2 minutes!

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>>61129622
just googled a mah to wh calculator

>>61129777
Ah, okay.

Nice trips, mr Frogposter. But still, how do you get the battery time?

>>61129604
I did and as far as I know, it's not possible

>>61130040
divide how many watts you're using by how many watt-hours your battery has

X220 and similar models at idle or light usage will use about 3-15W, so it comes out almost at exactly 10:1 Wh ratio, every 10Wh the battery has = about 1 hour

conveniently that also means about 1 hour per battery cell, so 6-cell = 6 hours, 9-cell = 9 hours

these are rough ballpark estimates, it greatly depends on what you're doing and the condition of the battery, etc.

>>61130135
Vice versa

>>61130096
Not that anon, but try having a look into your repos in the OS you're using. I found some solution in Debian that only underclocks, but it helps a lot.

>>61130135
That is what confused the fuck out of me, since I didn't know how much the X220 gobbles up and I didn't find it on the website selling it.

I'll be using the laptop for light work, so WPS and XPDF, wifi off, screen as dim as I can take it and nothing more.
Thank you!

>>61130180
I'll look into that, I just disable turbo boost and I'll do some test to see if at least helps a little althought I really was hoping to undervolt but it seems impossible on the software side at least. I guess underclock it's my only hope

>>61130180
>>61130321
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTUnq4iUXxQ

>>61130379
>ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTUnq4iUXxQ
Sandy Bridge doesn't have/support for Fully Integrated Voltage Regulator (FIVR), thats why you can't undervolt

>>61130321
I have underclocked with almost no impact to performance on my e728, but I'm not too worried about it spinning up. You might be, in which case I don't know.

It works really well, and if not, it's a great piece of placebo. I set up a large nagbar that gives me options "Set CPU governor" and I have "userspace" "performance" and "powersave" set up. Userspace keeps 1 core at 2.4 and puts the other at dynamic levels, performance ramps both up and powersave takes both down to 1.2 (I think). Might be more or less, but the boost in performance is there.

>>61130654
I have seen some power sockets on the X series of ThinkPads being connected with an internal socket instead of being soldered straight to the MB. Can anyone tell me whether this is the case with the X220? Anyone who took one apart?

Thanks, guise

what laptop should i buy for college? I like trackpoints but don't want to buy something old. Thinkpad, latitude, or the HP version?

>>61131800
read OP

>>61131800
read OP

looking to see if there are any problems /tpg/ has the x220, i know it doesnt have an ips screen but that i can easily mod one in. any thoughts about the x220?

>>61131943
Once you've installed an SSD and 8+ GB of ram, then you're good to go. Might need to replace the battery too.

Will I encounter problems putting a 1080 IPS screen on a T450? If not, where would I purchase this screen

>>61131943
X220 had an option for an IPS screen

but overall they are inferior to the X230

T430 with an i7 and 8gb of ram for $140. Did I do ok?

just bought a t520 with i7 2620m and Nvidia gpu. being delivered tomorrow. any idea what I should expect for temps on the CPU? was it even worth it to get an i7? I paid 200, no hard drive included.

Is $145 fair for a x220 locally? Its an i5 model with 4gb RAM, fingerprint scanner, an webcam. I'm obviously gonna try and talk the guy down, but I want to know how far off he is. (I checked the guides, but I want to double check.)

>>61132581

I bought a x220 for $49, no battery and hdd though, but came with i5, 2.6ghz, 4gb ram and best of all an ips lcd. i'm quite happy.

When you check out your x220 locally check out what kind of display it is... tn vs ips. And haggle accordingly :)

>>61132735
Okay, I might look around some more, and see what pops up.

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I don't understand you guys, HP EliteBook is FAR more durable than the Chinkpad. Plus, it's closer to IBM's since HP is an American company.

Is there any reason to get a t420s?
There's lot on ebay, but I've heard they're less durable, less customizable, hotter, and with less battery life than the t420.

>>61132959
>Anonymous 06/28/17(Wed)22:52:41 No.61132338▶
>>>61131943
>X220 had an option for an IPS screen
>but overall they are inferior to the X230

if you don't understand it now then you'll never understand it.

>>61132959
yeah but they are not dark as my soul black/red theme

I've had a few thinkpads and elitebooks and they are all fine, not sure why you think they're more durable though

they both have metal lids, metal hinges, metal chassis/body

>>61133124
He probably saw >>61116510 and assumed the Thinkpad couldn't do it.

Both are good but I doubt /g/ would choose Lenovo over HP if it wasn't for the meme. Oh well, you guys can shill and try to sell your Lenovos (I get mine free) while i buy cheap HPs.

>>61121233
Pretty much the only laptop that I've seen actually helps temps more than 1 or 2 c is the unibody macbooks.
And thats just because they have no bottom ventalation
Also remember that if you drill the bottom you NEED to add a filter.
Otherwise you will get a shit load of dirt on the fan, and might kick up something bigger that could damage the fan/heatsink.
Plus you need to make sure that when you're handling the laptop you dont break what you cut out/get your fingers into the fan area.

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>>61121683
>refurbished
>still buys an SSD afterwards
It's like you love wasting money on someone who dusted their computer and reinstalled windows.

>>61126533
>>61126772
M14x display is gud.

>>61128561
>yfw almost all of our packages we ship, we don't bother with signature or insurance.

Best IBM thinkpads for coding and is cheap, go.

ps/2 port optional

>>61133180
ya, I'm going up get a filter before drilling holes under it. only drilling small enough holes to increase the air intake without having my fingers able to poke through it

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>>61133124
This is why I like Thinkpads more.
>pic related

>>61132464
That's very good, that's what I paid for mine with an i5.

>>61133288
In just a few years when you buy your next latop, you won't have any of that. Just a regular disposable laptop with hardly any ports. No Thinklight, no webcam cover, no numpad.

But hey, at least you get to keep your StylePointer... for now.

>>61133316
>implying we won't keep our thinkpads alive for the rest of our lives

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>>61133316
Is there a Thinkpad with numpads? Seems to be the only thing holding me back.

do thinkpad docking stations work with linux

>>61133324
T540 and newer, W54x, P series

>>61133316
>In just a few years when you buy your next latop,
Sorry to dissapoint you, but I plan to use my thinkpads to year 2030 or even further. I just need to upgrade them.
>ports
Assuming you use other ports than usb and hdmi. USB type-C must die.
>no thinklight
Well you can still use headlamp as a DIY thinklight
>no webcam cover
Dude, only one of laptops have webcam and it being X220. No a single machine I own have webcam and you can also tape it to hide yourself from muh nsa boogieman.
>no numpad
You mean the FN-numpad right? Or do you mean dedicated numpad buttons on a thinkpad?
>Stylepointer
Are you even trying?
>>61133322
This guy knows what is up.
>>61133324
>wanting to get missaligned keyboard.
Get a load of this fag. Just buy a generic 15.6" laptop with a numpad.

>>61132959
Stylish desu.

>>61133372
Oh wow, thanks.

Shame how rounded they look though. Probably not as durable as the T4XX/X2XX-era series huh.

>>61133205
Bump

>>61133403
Thinkpad 701c

>>61133324
E-Series for you, then.

>>61133403
Why do you need a PS/2 Port?

>>61133417
>Lenovo will never EVER make anythign remotely this cool
https://youtu.be/SLj3aCfqzOM

>>61133444
Just so you know, this machine cost about 7k$ back in the day which equals 11k$ in todays money

Hold on a minute.
My T30 is alive again. I had to knock and tap the HDD a few times and now it works. I'm so happy omg. I was stressing my ass off because of this shit not booting.

>>61133440
I have a ps/2 keyboard and while I don't need a ps/2 port I could just buy a ps/2 -> usb converter

I love my t61p but linux is pissing me off

I put zorin on it a while back, but I have honestly no clue what I'm doing with linux, and can't really find a good resource to start. The majority of the communities that I've encountered have been more of those elitist douchebags that like would rather make fun of you than help someone understand the commands, or why they truly think it's better without just calling you a fag. Not sure who they think they're impressing.

I went to install Mutt because someone on a forum said it was an excellent email program, and could not find almost any resource as to how to actually install the program, it's not like just downloading an exe file and running. Where do I move the files, what do i click on or type to open it even? The one single site I found after 10 minutes of looking around gave me exact commands to type to download and install via CLI and they didn't work. I had no clue what the commands meant or for sure what some of them did... (get apt with a website is easy to figure out of course) I'm copy pasting these character for character every other tutorial just said 'install it'... HOW??? I HAVE THE FILES RIGHT HERE, THE READ ME TELLS ME NOTHING, WHAT DO I DO AFTER DOWNLOADING??!?!?!?

In real life, the only linux users that I've encountered so far have been terrible, (i know this isn't every user) convincing everyone they talk to that he needs to let him install ubuntu, or mint, or debian (he picks the individual distro for each person?), deletes their windows, installs it and they don't have a fucking clue what they're doing. They can't run their quicken, or their greeting card software, or their big fish games... then they come to me, and I have to redo their windows install, tell them that I can't reinstall games that they lost the cd for years ago, and then I get bitched out because "you said you could bring it back to like it was).

>>61120437
Wtf.. the x1 carbon 2nd gen reminds me of the fucking macbook keyboard.. giant chicklet style keys, touch buttons instead of F keys...

although the home/end delete/backspace keys lookf fucking retarded, and wheres the caps lock

T420 with an i7 and 6 gigs of ram for about $145 USD. How'd I do?

>>61133149
How's the aftermarket part market for the HPs? Thinkpads are worthwhile because of the part support but I'm interested anyway.

>>61128720
This guy is trolling>>61128811. X240 is the worst in the series, and w700 is like carrying around a brick.

get an x230t tablet. stylus is perfect for taking notes, and it will handle indie games and programming like a champ. with a 9-cell battery it should be able to make 8 hours if used judiciously

>>61131417
if I remember correctly it has a socket, but not 100% sure

>>61113101
>not w520

>>61113101
But what if I want a more portable laptop?

>>61117589
disable it in bios

>>61120902
unless your going to libreboot it i suggest dont
typing on one right now, slow as fuck and barely tolerable

otherwise, enjoy your freedom

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Got a used t420s off ebay and it was kind of dirty. Cleaned it, dust-off on the fan and vents, but for some reason, I seem to get a sore throat when I use it. Any suggestions?

>>61134770
it can't be that bad, I used an x301 for a while and it could cope with most stuff reasonably, and it's got a weaker CPU

>>61127223
not much different,
tried with quadcore t430, still hot af

>>61132959
>shit keyboard
>heavy weight
>no spillproof
no thanks i tried them before

>>61134802
we have different standards then

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how usable is the x230 screen compared to hd+ on t430? i am thinking of replacing my t430, but the lower resolution is making me unsure. the fhd mod kills all digital outputs on docking, so that is a no-go, since i use a dock daily.

Where can i buy a good 9 cell battery in australia? Can't really find any on ebay.

>>61134428
Was wondering for a while. Someone I know turns out to have an X240 and says it's a piece of junk. Thank you, I know very little about laptops.

>>61135114
X230 TN panel is worse though not massively (and not because the HD+ is good), IPS one is a significantly better panel than the HD+ and still usable at 1366*768 I guess since it's 12.5"

>>61134796
Pet it and talk to it nicely, otherwise only time will make it grow friendly

>>61136781
if i keep my T430, i will replace the screen with the X1 carbon TN panel. I am concerned more about the resolution. nitrocaster (the guy who created the FHD board for X230) confirmed that the dock is unusable with the fhd mod installed.

> trackpoint rules no really
> so i try to get used to the trackpoint on my E430, again and again.
> thing fucking sucks, fuck that
> get a t420
> fall in love with the track point the very first time i use it
> never going back

what do you guys think about the t510?

>>61136904
I've been having the same experience for the past day or two. I've owned laptops with control clits before but this one is magical.

>>61112469
Trying to find an X230 is a pain in the ass

Ive got a $100-$120 budget

all I find on craigslist or offer up is other bullshit

>>61134770
thanks for the insight anon

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What would be my CPU upgrade options on this one?

ark.intel says the T1300 has the same socket as dual core yonahs and meroms, but is there anything more to it?

inb4
>why would you bother with something so deprecated
I can get this machine for peanuts. Why not.

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How do I get rid of this

>>61134848
ivy bridge elitebooks are all spillproof. Try again

>>61138116
soft fabric cloth and alcohol.
and be gentle with it

my old-ass x61s is making pretty annoying fan noise 50% of the time.

Should I just order a new fan? I already removed dust and that's the only troubleshooting I know how to do.

>>61112920
Fuck discord
use matrix

>>61138206
have you ever changed the fan's oil?
if you have then you know what to do, if you haven't then get a new one

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Would the 65W LA65NS0-00 work with a no-dGPU E6410?
The E6410 came with a 90W DA90PE1-00, I guess all E6410 had this as the stock charger, but does one with integrated graphics actually need the 90W?

>>61138325
If it has the same connector and voltage, yes. Maybe dosable any kind of fast charging mode just in case

Do t420 support 1600mhz ram?
Specs say no.
Interweb says durrr maybe y not idk.

>>61138279
thanks for advice

>>61138394
it can use it but not at 1600mhz speed

>>61138382
>has the same connector and voltage
Yes it does.

>Maybe dosable any kind of fast charging mode
What do you mean? I've never heard laptop chargers have "fast" and other charging "modes".

>>61134428
No I'm not trolling :^)

>>61134796
Is there a weird smell to it? It may be emitting something from within. My T60 I got off eBay's thermal paste smelled like a barn and you could smell it if you were sitting right next to me while I was doing something CPU-intensive.

I have a thinkpad with a busted screen.

Can I remove the whole screen and just use the body of the computer and plug on a tv?

Also, could I remove the inside (motherboard, hdd, idk what else) and just screw it on a board of wood?

thanks /g/

>>61138553
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

Guys is the best(fastest) libreboot laptop I can get a x200?

Which is better T420 or T520

>>61138429
My E4300 has one and it says to only use it with its dell charger

>>61138649
T420 because it's smaller

>>61138649
Depends on if you want a 15in display or a 14in one.

>>61138649
T520 had better CPU options and can go up to 1920x1080 screens

Does 2170p support not hp wifi cards?

>>61138695
How much better are these CPU options?
>>61138649
The T420 is more portable without going into much in the way of ultraportable sacrifices. Which means it works better as a portable to complement a desktop than a T520.

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>>61132959
HP have been and pretty much always will be trash, if I were going to defect from Lenovo it would be to Dell. They at least know how to design.

Pic related is a 14" 1440p quad core with thunderbolt 3 and can have dedicated graphics, all with no cooling problems and while 22mm (the same average height as an X230) thick.

The HP and lenovo Equivalents are bigger, thicker, hotter and uglier, with the HP having a gimped trackpoint.

>>61138698
yes

>>61138657
I don't care about their marketing bullshit. I've seen Kodak cheapo point and shoot film cameras with a sticker inside saying "Use Kodak films only" - this is much the same thing.
Yes, chink chargers can make a housefire. But this is a genuine Dell charger with the right plug and right voltage, and seeeemingly enough power for an iGPU laptop, since afaik all Arrandale iGPU Thinkpads came with 65W chargers, didn't they, but obviously Dell for whatever reason chose to ship all Arrandale, Sandy and Ivy E6*** with 90W ones.
Btw what charger does your cute E4300 have, 90W as well?

typing this on a t440s, battery life is good and keyboard is the best I've ever used, only complaint is that the screen isn't that bright (hard to use in heavy sunlight)

I also got an x60 for like $20 recently, but it's locked to its docking station thing and I don't have the key, so I can't replace the battery or hdd, which are fucked

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what's better Lenovo Thinkpad, HP elitebook, or Dell latitude?

>>61139123
depends what generations you're into, what latitude and thinkpad models you're talking about (because latitude and thinkpad ranges have their low ends too), and what's cheaper where you are (dells and hps can be cheaper than comparable thinkpads, but not always), ah and how much do you need a proper clit (elitebooks ending with p have no middle clit button)

>>61139123
>what's better ford or bmw

>>61139085
>it's locked to its docking station thing and I don't have the key
can't you bruteforce it?

>>61139085
buy a lockpick set and practice a little

>>61139123
Well let me put it this way: in the same week, I got a laptop I payed $2000 for, a $190, six year old Thinkpad and returned a busted Surface Pro 4 with its typecover. The old, used Thinkpad is easily my favorite of the three and probably my favorite laptop ever.

Also, /tpg/, thank you for giving advice when I needed it and setting me on the right path.

>>61114409
kys filthy taringer

>>61120458
I have x230, bought it last year. I think you should go for x250. At times the x230 feels a bit lackluster, gets extremely hot (87 celsius on youtube/twitch with nothing else running), have recently cleaned. Other google searches said they had similar problem even after applying new thermal paste.

The x220 came out in 2011 if memory serves me right, while its a great laptop, i think you could do with a newer model.

I know ill likely get flame, but the circlejerk does get slightly too strong at times

>>61135114
The resolution can be kind of annoying when coding, and wanting to splitscreen with browser

>>61139361
most of us use our thinkpads for school, browsing, and coding. For those needs *20/30 series are enough and with the nicer features and better price points its a no brainer. Can't think of anything that I do on my x220 that would be much better on an x250

>>61139214
probably, but I don't know enough about the locking/attachment mechanism to know whether or how badly that would damage the computer

>>61139238
this is probably what I'll do

>>61114529
>>61114541
What exactly is the point of this?

David Hill just retired.

>>61139511
I don't know all that much either, but my wild guess is that you could even tear the dock in pieces not damaging the thinkpad at all. It's just some plastic hooks that rise out of the dock and go into the body.
Please report on your lockpicking success. I also have a dock (different one though) lying around locked with no keys, luckily not locked onto a thinkpad. Kinda lazy to tinker with it, but some shared inspiring experience could help.

>>61126679
It's still a fucking SSD, you should worry more about whether your pendrive can actually benefit from all those MB/s

>>61139187
I need a clit. I've got like £300 to spend on eBay. Live in the UK.

>>61139382
browser + editor splitscreen is shit on the HD+ as well. i just use i3 and switch workspaces.

Anything I should know when replacing the HDD with an SSD in my T420? Any common issues I'm likely to hit?

>>61135114
Resolution is really really horrible for any kind of actual work and the ips display suffers from terrible ghosting.

I recently tried some guy's pixel and the 3:2 aspect ratio with the hgh resolution is godsend for productivity.

xsauc was right.

>>61139930
prepare to e gimped by sata 2.

>>61139972
I've switched from a Surface Pro 4 to a T420 for productivity. Honestly, the resolution and aspect ratio changes aren't as bad as I thought they would be coming from that high DPI and 3:2 display. My main issues are viewing angle and colour accuracy, though I'm getting used to them.
>>61139988
As long as it's notably faster I can live with not getting the absolute most out of it.

>>61139988
the normal drive slot and ultrabay are sata3 idiot

>>61138950
Wow, youre an asshole, go back to b.
And yeah, my point was dont use chinkchargers.

>>61139844
>got like £300 to spend
You might aim for some Haswell or even Broadwell machine then. Read the guides mentioned in OP, and these:


Haswell:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T440-20B6005YGE-Notebook.114855.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T440p-20AN-006VGE-Notebook.108423.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Update-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T440s-20AQ0069GE-Notebook.110564.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-HP-EliteBook-840-G1-H5G28ET-Ultrabook.114717.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Latitude-E7440-Notebook.103185.0.html


Broadwell:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T450-Ultrabook-Review.139988.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T450s-Ultrabook-Review.137248.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Latitude-14-E7450-Ultrabook-Review.135484.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-EliteBook-840-G2-Notebook-Review.139398.0.html

and the relevant 12/13 and 15inchers if that's what you're into.

>need a clit
14 and 15inchers all have clits, just the HPs have no middle clit button. Dell's E7240 and E7250 have no clits.

>>61140228
Thanks for your valuable input mate.

>>61140243
the e7440 is really comfy.

>>61140295
Because you totally gave one and I totally asked about using chink chargers.

>>61140066
isn't that on ivy bridge only?

>>61140363
no

>>61139972
>http://www.dankpads.com
is it really so bad even with a tiling window manager?

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Have a T440p. Been reading that the T450s series trackpad is a recommended upgrade. Anyone done it? I've never liked the trackpad on this, but is the upgrade worth it?

>>61140578
>is the upgrade worth it?
absolutely, the 440 series trackpad sucks

>>61140578
It'll help the trackpoint be actually usable.

>>61140591
>>61140611
Yeah, I don't know which retard was in charge of the design on it, but why even include the nipple if you're going to make it torture to use.

>>61140578
clickpad was an abomination

>>61139766
just bruteforced it lol. nothing is obviously damaged on either the dock or computer

>>61140625
Because you're a modern Lenovo designer and your job is to make things that people love terrible for no good reason.

Any good dock for hdds for a thinkpad?

Nitrocaster mod

y/n?

I really wish my x230 had a bigger resolution

>>61140470
For me it is. Evertyhing feels so cramped and multitasking is a chore even with a tiling manager.

>>61140228


There is absolutely nothing wrong with a chink chargers.

Everything can explode.

>>61140884
http://imgur.com/a/0m3a1

go with https://world.taobao.com/item/43600546862.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7700824.w4004-15750415553.2.Pq57n

>>61112469


NEW BREAD

>>61141005


FUCK

>>61140985

>>61140979
Have you done it?

I'm afraid I'll become more fragile after adapting a 13 inch display

>>61141043
if you scroll down and look at the comments and reviews in google translate, everyone seems really happy with the modification

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X230-Core-i5-2-60GHz-4GB-128GB-SSD-Webcam-Windows-7-Pro-Laptop-/152603490707?hash=item2387e07993:g:GfsAAOSw8HBZHW7t#viTabs_0

>i5 in title
>i7 in description

Goddamn sellers.