/tpg/ - ThinkPad General thread

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>>61010262
What's the best 12" thinkpad on the market and why it's the 2570p?

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>>61010271
um sweaty that doesn't sound like the D430 xxx

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Also a new post by David Hill, ThinkPad Retro is kicking!
http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-its-alive

>never remove the palmrest, pain in the ass to put back the fingerprint cable

>>61010415
I remember this extremely uncomfortable trackpoint. Holy shit I always had to carry a usb mouse with it.
Thank god I was quickly given E6430s as my new company laptop.

Im currently looking for a new laptop. it should be capable of some heavy lifting and I dont mind paying for quality.
is a 17'' a good idea?
is there a brand that doesnt look like some razor mouse?

>>61011273
HP 8770w if you want good dGPU option (up to 970m) and low price
Thinkpad p70 if you want modern Thinkpad ((quality)) and TB3 eGPU support.

>>61011273
P71, Elitebook 8770w, Precision M6800

17" is a bit oversized though. Laptops this big will be a real pain in the ass to carry from place to place, even if you don't intend on ever using it off the AC.

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Post your ThinkPads

>>61011357
>>61011345
actually this, there is this new p71.

How shitty do you let your batteries get before buying a replacement?

>>61010435
>no mention of aspect ratio
we're fucked, aren't we?

Are there any differences between the 9 cell batteries off ebay for $38 or the lenovo ones off amazon for $74?

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IT'S HAPPENING

>>61011365
I only have my gf's ass or my thinkpad, not both in the same picture, sorry.

>>61011429
if I unplug AC power and the laptop dies within 60 seconds, it's time for a replacement battery

>>61011478
You're late
http ://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-its-alive/

>>61011478
I doubt it

>>61011493
you can make two posts, I'll wait the 60 seconds

>>61011345
if I put some things into the p71 it costs like 20% more than the best gaming laptop I could find.

>>61011357
>17" is a bit oversized though. Laptops this big will be a real pain in the ass to carry from place to place, even if you don't intend on ever using it off the AC.
well it wouldnt be for daily carry. but I want something powerful that I can take with me if needed.

>>61010271
Yeah, it's too late, no one's falling for your shilling. Now sell your 2570p on eBay and stop having buyer's remorse.

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>>61011365
That's a pretty decent butt, Geranon.

so I recently bought an x201 tablet
what OS should I install to make the best of it?

>>61011365
My butt is hairy, what do?

Also, is that a german coca cola sticker?

Can I use my ThinkPads fingerprint reader as a login method for my GNU/Linux? I can't even find the device

>>61011744
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_enable_the_integrated_fingerprint_reader

>>61011733
windows 10
fedora (gnome)
xubuntu with some package I don't remember the name for gestures and screen control (buttons)

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>>61011744
I set up the fingerprint reader on Windows and thus it stored it in the BIOS as well

then I installed Ubuntu and the fingerprint reader worked the exact same

I don't know how I could add more fingerprints or change them, but I know I can delete them via the BIOS

but yeah it works to power on the laptop and log in

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Y/N? The T430 doesn't come with a hard drive or battery so that's why I need the other two. The seller didn't have any information on the resolution so I'm assuming it's some shitty 1366x768 or some shit.

>>61011820
oh I forgot to mention that the t430 comes with a docking station which is cool and it still has the hard drive caddy

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T400 was delivered today. It's in pretty good condition minus a couple scuffs on the lid. The battery is okay, lasts a little over an hour. Keyboard needs a cleaning too. Going to upgrade cpu and add some more ram soon.
Not bad for $50.

>>61011820
intel 320-series SSD's are like 7 years old and they are also only SATA 2

and the "70+" batteries are 6-cell, the "70++" is the 9-cell

and for the T430 it looks like they have a picture of the BIOS screen which should give you the serial number which you can enter here
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/?menu-id=Technical_Support&menu-id=technical_support
and it will tell you all of the original specs, including screen resolution

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>>61011888
Thank you very much mister trips.

redpill me about the x230 tablet, wanted to buy an ipad pro but the thinkpads are way cheaper and actually have a proper OS

I'm transferring to usc for their comp sci games program and trying to find a laptop to use during class, are thinkpad's good for programming and school in general? Or are they more oriented towards business?

>>61012233
A laptop is a laptop as far as programming. You'll be fine as long as the screen is good and a decent size. nobody wants to program on a 12 inch shitbook with a 1024x768 screen.

>>61012283
Right I figured as much, I was debating getting a screen that rotates to portrait mode but probably not necessary during class, my desktop can do that.

Growing up in a shitty country like mine, and low on budget, i had to always game on low-end. I remember whem i bought my 8400gs, what a piece. Finishing Crysis 2 there at like, 15fps is probably something i should put at my curriculum.

People here was saying "HD 3000 sucks for games." and, maybe if you're a elitist i could agree with you, but so far, with a dual-channel t420, my results are pretty good. Even the Witcher 2 who only ram at like, 5 fps in my last notebook, now is playbable at 30fps and decent 16:9 resolution.

Actually got quite a bang for the buck i had, pretty satisfied.

Blog is over.

>>61012228
X-series tablets are NOT tablet replacements

they are huge and heavy

>>61012358
tits or gtfo

Reposting from last thread, I reinstalled Windows 7 on my T400 and all of the sudden the sound stopped working. Either after I installed Daemon Tools or some Digital Line-In driver. Any ideas how to address? Should I just wipe Windows and start over again since it's a new install? I'd hate to have to download all the updates again.

>>61011868
I have several spare T400 keyboards (or more accurately, one T400 keyboard, one T60 keyboard and three T61 keyboards). Want one?

>>61011429
30 minutes. But I probably would just use/get another thinkpad.

>>61011493
Photoshop it then

>>61011733
Ubuntu Studio has a decent set of software for drawing.

>>61012476
Install and uninstall the sound driver.
I think I had a problem like that before,sometimes thinkvantage has bad drivers.

>>61011365
Is this a female (boy) butt?

>>61011365
is that a man?

>>61013051
>>61013172
its a >girl

>>61013172
>>61013051

>implying that on 4chan any of you freaks would care

how cancer is a brand new E470?

>>61012283
>Have a sweet ass thinkpad at home
>Work will only let me use their shitty laptops.

Worst part is that sales gets to use nice to use nice business models and im stuck with a shitty consumer model.

>>61013428
It's more consumer-level. Nice piece, but you're paying more for the brand. You could get a similar Ideapad or shenanigans for less.

At least the L series maintain most features of the T series, while not being cutting-edge.

>>61010271
because muh quad core
I really dont know what else you wanna hear
thats kind of it
I still think the x230 looks better though but thats my taste
if youre that anon with the carbon fiber wrapped 2570p that looked pretty neat too

>>61010435
>>61010262
>>61010262
>>61010262
https://rgbthink.com/
wow its fucking nothing

>>61011667
man the x220 keyboard is fucking aesthetic af

>>61013236
ew
you some kind of girl kissing faggot or something

>>61013341
I would anon. I'd say that your girlfriend (male) has a nice bottom

>>61011743
post. we're all faggots here.

>>61011273
>>61011357
8770w
good hardware (with swappable mxm gpu)
great screen
nice build quality

>>61012330
wow thats a lot of tweaking man
thats actually pretty neat
the hd 3000 is a bag of shit though but Im pretty impressed that you got something out of it

>>61012476
Thanks for the offer but keyboard isnt bad to the point where it needs replacing. (It came with all kepcaps, the keys without caps were just a bit sticky and needed cleaning.)

>>61012358
>>61012228
you should clarify on this
theyre heavier than an ipad
have less battery life than a x230
kind of shitty thermals compared to a x230
the hinge is kind of shit too
and are kind of garbage to draw on
but if you just want something thats touch capable then its good enough.
they are bad tablet replacement if want it to be one
theyre good touch enabled laptops though
that said I'd still go for a x230 as its really light and you could use it like a tablet once you get used to the trackpoint
its also cheaper so you could save up a ipad quicker if you wanted

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where's my fucking retro thinkpad??

>>61012233
programming is about as demanding as business anon. maybe even more.

I'd say get a xx30 for the good igpu and solid everything else

>Can anyone comment on a T60's performance?
>Web browsing, video, 720-1080p movies, 2hu games will work well enough?
>Does it needs a more lightweight distro or can normally function even on WinXP?

>Web browsing:
Did you mean shitposting? Let's do that on FF because it's the one of the best browsers there is (but 55 version and later are shit)
First installing nightly. Also need to configure that fan speed (which I'm unable to do because I'm a total ass).

Browsing the internet seems to be on similar compared to T61 even with just 1.5gb ram.
Youtube videos however, are quite a challenge to run which is why I installed smplayer. Before I continue with
youtube, I'll try some anime (chobits to be exact which is in 720p) to see if it runs okay and then I'll be trying
something that even my T61 was unable to run smoothly.

After testing youtube videos in 1080p and 30fps, they were not smooth nor were they when I lowered the fps down to
25fps or even 10fps. This iGPU is certainly on its limits, no doubt about that.

Now, the real question. How does it run anime? Well, 720p is no problem at all but 1080p, seems to work when
you select in smplayer, to work on mpv (backend). Anime tends to be 23fps so I can't see anything too dramatic
here. It certainly is better than how it was before.
I also want to point out that theoretical power of the iGPU between T60 and T61 is quite noticeable. According to wikipedia, GMA950 only has 4 executing cores with 133-400Mhz clock speed while X3100 has 8 cores and 500mhz clockspeed.

ps. Keep in mind that I ran these test while T60 was hooked up to 1920x1080 monitor (pushing total resolution of 2944x1080. The result might have been better if ran from 1920x1080 itself without the laptops own screen) I used Lubuntu 17.04.

(B)log ends.

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>>61013723
>>61011365
You asked it. You got it. Here you go.
>inb4 Toshiba satellite
No bully

>>61013883
http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-its-alive/

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>>61014056
that's a taxi driver butt if I've ever seen one.

>>61014056
Turkish or Armenian?

>>61014100
I warned you. Btw, do gurls object if I have hair on my butt. If so how do I go about trimming them? I don't want to accidentally cause anal menstruations...
>>61014118
Honorary pa/g/eet.

>>61014056
T450s for $400?
It would be replacing my X220 and a bigger panel would be nice (and also 1080p) but I don't know, is it worth it?

>>61013914
Right I meant that more as would ThinkPad's be good enough, but thanks for the recommendation, I'll look into them

>>61014161
I had no intention of quoting that post.. Been a long day

>>61014161
Considering I have a satellite, I am probably the last person you want consult about buying laptops. I, myself, am here to learn about thinkpads...so far I've zeroed in on x230, but that shit costs too much here relative to how you guys have it in the west

>>61011450
Lenovo signed a deal with a company that makes 4:3 screens

>>61014226
Yeah sorry man I'm still a bit high, didn't mean to quote you in that post..

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>the new keyboards are fine

My T410 seems to have gotten stuck at ''shutting down...'' after updating bios with Lenovos update tool. What's the resale value of bricked thinkpads?

>>61014300
What a fucking monster you must be to destroy the keys.
Keyboards are for pressing, not mashing or hammering.

>>61010262
I've just got a t420
Love it
But the screen is really bad sometimes my eyes hurt from using it.

Is there something that can be done besides the Fhd mod which is paused for my model? I own the 1600x900 on the t420

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>throw old thinkpad on ebay
>forgot to link paypal with ebay until after the bidding ended
>2 days later winner still hasn't paid
>don't want to message them asking them to pay
>they haven't messaged me either

might just cancel everything and throw it in the garbage and forget this ever happened

>>61015004
turn the brightness up and sit closer so you don't have to strain your eyes?

>>61015017
Yeah but no luck. We don't have a good 720p screen on this one right? The best option would be the FHD mod?

>>61014300
Jesus christ you're supposed to type not fucking curb stomp it your fucking manchild

>>61014056
>laptop 3/10
>ass 5/10

>>61014118
Most Turks aren't that dark
t. Turk

>>61015006
Don't be a fucking faggot
Just say "hey sorry my man I forgot to link my PayPal. Can you pay me today so I can ship this asap? Thanks"
Literally copy and paste that. I know anxiety is hard but don't forget that this guy doesn't know you and you will never ever run into him so you might as well even spaz out on your message

>>61015232
You sure you don't have the brightness too high or too low? I know the viewing angles and colors are bad but they're not that bad

>>61014322
Just get a new mobo
Or if you're stuck on Windows just give it a quick reboot
My T430 got stuck after the first reboot while updating and just beeped at me so I said my prayers looked up a few mobo prices and pulled the plug

It was just fine and nothing happened

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>>61015004
alienware m14x r2 glossy 1600x900 tn panel will drop in with the standard hd+ cable. display quality improves from "crime against nature" to "pretty okay i guess"

>>61015470
Can you post a direct sunlight comparison?
I can tilt the screen to compensate for the shitty viewing angles

>>61015378
Maybe will try to take them to my office Wich has a better illumination than my house and see if the same problem happens might be it

>>61015540
I doubt it's that
He's probably either straining his eyes by having the screen too bright or not bright enough
Or just not tilting the screen

Or worst he's noticing the pwm or something

>>61015470
Would you have the panel number? So I can search it on eBay?

>>61015569
Idk I never had this problem with screens besides when I played an 3DS

What is pwm?

>>61015312
haha ok ahmed ;^)

>>61015662
Pulse width modulation
>>61015670
Shit bait

>>61010262
My t420s just came in, has an SSD; I'm wondering what is the best way to completely zero-out/wipe the ssd? Can I get away with a reformat via gparted?

>>61015770
what brand ssd? most have their own software for wiping them

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Replace my t410s with a p50 and it's great. I'm still going to buy a retro thinkpad when it's released

>>61015791
Band is Toshiba.

>>61015770
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-securely-erase-an-ssd-drive/

I need a laptop for college in the fall. Will be taking compsci courses.

I *could* get an older thinkpad, I hear they are very compatible with Linux which is a plus.

I have the money for a Dell XPS 13. I've looked all over and they've honestly been getting some really good reviews.

Is there any reason I shouldn't get an XPS 13 besides being overpriced? And even then, they're not nearly as overpriced as a Macbook for what you get.

Also, how is Linux compatibility with a newer laptop like the XPS 13?

Thanks

>>61016023
Thanks, I'm going to be issuing a secure erase via hdparm I think.
Funny how the parted magic people seem to be charging for free GNU utilities like dd and shred.

>>61016051
That's not that thinkpad related honestly you might want to try making your own thread for better feedback
But afaik dell makes a developer edition of the XPS 13 which has full drivers and all that jazz so I'd imagine support is good.

That said Intel being the shitty Jews they are really haven't been able to top ivy bridge until Kaby Lake so you're really not missing out much in the performance department by buying a xx30 thinkpad such a T430 or a X230

Where you do get a upper hand by getting a newer laptop is the screen. Older thinkpads have ass cancer TNs compared to newer ips screens. Also battery life is more or less the same as a older thinkpad with an extended battery. My T430 gets more or less 5 - 4.5 hours on the 6 cell battery.

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It's alive!

>>61014300
>thin cheap plastic
sums up the new thinkpads nicely

>>61016270
>Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).

But in all seriousness, thank you for your reply. I hadn't even known about some kind of dev edition of the XPS 13, that's pretty neat and I'll have to look into it. Battery life is pretty damn good on the 13, it's been tested around 13.5 hours or more depending on brightness and usage of course. Thank you anon.

>>61016367
Is the XPS line business grade? I thought it was consumer grade

>>61014300
it's true that the new keyboards are not nearly as sturdy as even xx20 ones, let alone old IBM made ones but fucks sake anon, how hard did you have to bash it to break the fucking key?

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I reading this shit https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/5xgo02/tfw_you_use_a_thinkpad_manual_included/
When i saw what we can install BIOS mode in x230 with ThinkPwn vulnerability without use SPI programer flash. This is true?

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>>61016439

>>61016563
Huh
That's neat

>>61016510
>tfw no practical and chaming in her own way thinkwaifu
why live

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>>61016439

>>61016270
Ive heard that dells xps line has horrible coil whine and they wont replace them because they are designed like that.

>>61016737
my 2014 xps (the round one) doesn't, maybe the 2015's do

For xx20 keyboards, which is better out of Chicony and NMB? What are the keys like on each and importantly, what are the trackpoint buttons like on them too? I don't like loud clicky trackpoint buttons, I like tactile yet near silent ones.

>>61016799
It might be the new ones

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/5vjf62/how_bad_is_the_coil_whine_in_the_xps_13/

>>61016563
now wouldn't they look great if instead of the dell logo it was 16:10?

>>61016327
I can't see the function row though, what if it's retarded?

>>61014273
for tablets

I'll ask again: is Hynix good for RAMs and SSDs?

>>61014300
how did that happen anon?
is it a bootleg replacement?

On Thinkpads, do the i7 versions use more power or drain the battery faster than the i5?

>>61017448
dual-core i7 compared to a dual-core i5 of the same generation, no

quad-core i7 compared to dual-core i5, yes

>>61017448
yes, they do

>>61017523
tdp != power consumption

it is a more noticeable difference with the quadcores of course, but do you really think the dualcore i7s just pull extra performance out of nothing? you can't just run higher clock speeds on the same microarchitecture without affecting power usage.

>>61017550
you know that i7's aren't just higher clocked i5's, right?

>>61017579
they have more cache and sometimes higher-clocked igpus too. sure, a standard voltage i5 will use more power than a low voltage i7, but in that case the i7 won't be outperforming the i5. assuming equal voltage, an i7 is always going to use more power than an i5, because you can't just get more performance for free.

which of you fucking autists was this
https://rgbthink.com/

does anyone know if the x220 fhd mod works with coreboot/ will work with the libreboot release?

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>>61013663
>>61018070
>>61011478
>>61011540
It was me lads. I also made a special page:
rgbthink.com/timer

Be sure to thank David Hill and Lenovo,it's not every day a company this big listens to and delivers for fans like this.
>tfw its finally happening.

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wew t530 with an i7 and 1600x900 for only $160

>>61018347
no reason it shouldn't

>x230 i7 with IPS
Should I?

>>61011429
1 hour but I will usually replace way before then and carry the depleted one as a spare

>>61018373
>ay a company this big listens to and delivers for fans like this.
deliver what? standard good features in an overpriced "'""""""""retro""""""""""""" package that will never get enterprise deployment like a normal model?

they're delivering nothing of value. It's just going to be a collector item ready to fade into obscurity

is the x1 carbon a decent meme

>>61016856

please respond.

>>61015006
if you're a seller on shitbay you're going to have a lot more nerve wracking situations than that

> For $370 I ordered a W530

Laptop description:
Intel Core i7 3740QM 2.70GHz |16GB RAM (Memory) | 500GB SATA
MANUFACTURER: LENOVO
PART NUMBER : 433835U
NVIDIA Quadro K2000M | Intel HD 4000 | NVIDIA Optimus Technology | 15.6? | 1920X1080 Resolution | 2GB Dedicated Video Memory - 6GB Combined System and GPU
Ebay description:
Comes with Genuine Windows Key

What's in the Box:

1X Genuine Lenovo ThinkPad W530 Laptop (workstation)

1X Genuine Lenovo 170W Power Adapter

1X Genuine Lenovo 170W Power Adapter

1X Genuine Lenovo 9-cell Battery

1X Genuine Lenovo 6-cell Battery

1X Genuine Lenovo Docking Station (Keys may or may not be included)

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when I get the package

>missing one charger
>missing one battery
>the laptop keyboard isn't fully functional (space, enter, backspace, pretty much the bottom right to right side of the keyboard doesn't work.


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What should I do at this point? Am I really going to have to pay a shipping fee to return this shit and get my money back? Or should I just take the loss and order a replacement keyboard?

Does anyone have a link to a good backlit replacement keyboard for W530?

>>61019950
just dispute it on ebay and they'll give you a free return label and refund your money. seriously dude ebay would suck your dick as long as you're a buyer not a seller.

>>61020006
I'm feeling pretty salty about the purchase though. He didn't include two of the listed items and plus the keyboard is defective. I'm going to install an OS on it and see if anything else is wrong with it.

>>61019950
what battery did it come with and what condition is it in? you can use hwinfo64 to see the condition of it

and the 170W adapters are big niggers so you aren't missing much, assuming one would stay in the dock and one would be for travel, would be much better off with a 65W or 90W adapter 'for travel'

although IIRC the quad-core W-series might not accept the 65W or 90W adapters? I don't remember

>>61010435
Well fuck, I might have to eat more of my life to get that now. There goes the art and murr fund

>>61016856
They're both reasonably good and not mushy anyway and you won't notice until you put them next to each other. But the NMB is ever so slightly stiffer I guess?

I was thinking about getting a refurbished T530 but are refurbs bad? Is used the only way to go?

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>>61020102

I have no idea. The battery juts out of the laptop though.

>>61020326
refurbished means nothing, it's used, some people take care of their laptops some don't

>>61020335
that would be the 9-cell battery, install hwinfo64 and it'll tell you it's condition

if it's in good condition I would just keep it, if they gave you a shit battery then send it all back

>>61020373
I figured, just wanted to make sure there wasn't some problem refurb's have that used don't.

>>61019950

Or.. you could get a price adjustment.. just sayin

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>>61019950

Listing said 16 GB. This seller is a piece F shit. Also the Nvidia k2000m isn't in there according to dxdiag and when I checked for the hardware on the display adapters elsewhere.

>>61020544
what's the serial number? it's next to the model number on the sticker on the bottom of the laptop

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>x220
>battery stop working
>i don't have another computer
>have to use plugged in
>bug cpu throating to 0,78mhz only
I already ordered another battery, but until arriving, how to solve this problem, anons?

>>61020618
by sticking a battery in or getting a 90W power adapter

65W simply isn't enough to power the whole system under load

Just got my ThinkPad 13 and am enjoying it. Was wondering how people's battery life is going on with it because it doesn't seem that bad to me and if I can increase battery life using Ubuntu instead of spyware 10?

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>>61020605
Seems like the sticker has been removed

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>>61020669
what the fug

check under the battery

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>>61011667
>this iso layout keyboard
Mein mann.

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>>61020683
This is what I see when I remove the battery.

As for the number on the battery it's
11S45N1006Z1ZKFG2784LJ

It's also labeled 70++

>>61020649
>65W simply isn't enough to power the whole system under load
Its mean that if i go full load the baterry will go to 0% at some point? Also, i read somewhere that 90W power adapter cause jumper touchpad.

>>61020747
Yep that's the model and serial number there. You can enter either on the lenovo support site to confirm the configuration
And 70++ is indeed a 9 cell

>>61020752
Jumpy trackpad issue was on the i7 one (which incidentally also had more significant throttling). What happens at full load while charging is the system will just throttle itself depending on available power or slow charging depending on the time of day, planetary cycle and general mood

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>>61020747
these are the specs it originally came with

they probably just didn't install the graphics drivers

Got a t60, what linux distro will let me get the most out of it performance-wise? currently is running xfce fedora but I feel it kind of slow. If changing distros could improve the performance, it would be great.

tfw when sucessfully get rid of computrace

>>61019950
here

Is it worth buying:
https://www.amazon.com/Original-IBM-Backlit-Keyboard-CS12-USE/dp/B00EJ619GU/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1498110552&sr=8-7&keywords=w530+backlit+keyboard#customerReviews

to replace the faulty keyboard or am I better off buying from someone else on ebay?

Ultrabay eject switch is stuck. How should I go about fixing it?

>>61020618
>0.78mhz
>MHz
FFS anon, do you press a key and get tea before it reacts?

Sorry, dunno how to help.

>tfw previous laptop was 15.6in
>tfw completely retarded me thought 12.5 might be too small
Is there a 16:9 laptop around the 15" size? Or even 4:3, I couldn't give a shit, but 16:9 is more comfy for me (I need that horizontal space)

hey /tpg/, i just need a recommendation / educated opinion on what laptop to get
i currently use an x230 tablet (which i bought second-hand for university not knowing about the whole thinkpad community, just wanted a second hand laptop) which is great and i really have had a good time with it. however, i have a few problems with it:
>i love the ips screen, but i never ever use the tablet feature. i dont like how the screen sits so high up
>i dont enjoy 1366x768. it is plenty for what i do at uni, but for recreational programs (one i use the most is fl studio) its not the best. 1080p would be perfect for me.
>the battery is ugly and despite it being a useful handle, it is light enough that i dont need a handle to carry it effectively.
>the touchpad is painfully small. i switch between using the trackpoint and touchpad because i just feel more comfortable using the touchpad for most things, but it is really really small and the bumpy texture doesn't help

i have saved up $500 for a new (second-hand) thinkpad, and i've been looking at the x240 just because of the massive trackpad + smaller battery. apparently i can also change the screen to a 1080p IPS but im not sure how difficult that is. is there anything glaringly wrong with the x240 or any particular CPUs i should avoid before i try to buy one? or are there any other used thinkpads i should try?

>>61020472

How much do you think I should try to get for a price adjustment after describing

>>61019950

Anyone can answer if you have the time. Missing a battery, extra charger ( I doin't care about that), 8GB of memory (was supposed to be 16GB but only 8 GB is in the laptop), and the keyboard doesn't work properly (so I need to buy a replacement keyboard).

Your chinkpads are all garbage.

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>>61021369
>do you press a key and get tea before it reacts
Like that.

>>61021853
>ghz
Sorry. But still slow.

X440p with i7 4800mq @ 3.7ghz for 550 AUD. Good deal?

>>61021871
>x440p
???????????
dgpu or igpu model

>>61021853
I don't doubt slow, but it would've been pants-shittingly slow that way.

>>61021498
I suggest you go full trackpoint and get an X220

>>61021871
screen res? ram? hard drive? battery? condition?

it could be a good deal or bad deal, depends

>>61018552
>900p
>not 1080p

>>61021948
It has a geforce 730m - doesn't say anything about vram

>>61022009
The screen is 1600 x 900, 256gb ssd and 8gb of ram. The battery says it lasts 3 and a half hours

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Why does 2570p gets so much hate?

>>61022347
because of that one faggot that tirelessly and relentlessly shills it here

>>61022347
It does?
I do receive a lot of hate. /tpg/ hates when certain elitebooks are better than certain thinkpads. :^)

>>61022347
/tpg/ is a Thinkpad general but we still have respect for business laptops
what we don't like is someone who CONSTANTLY shills for their own laptop.
If it was one guy who CONSTANTLY did huge greentext paragraphs for his X201, we would still get pissed off

>>61022573
>CONSTANTLY shills
>we
lmao
First, this is my 5th thread I fall for your pathetic bait and defend 2570p. So it's far from being constant
Second, speak for yourself. Kid.

>>61022573
>>61022603
>>61022347
Here, have my reasons for selling my 2570p which I posted in an earlier /tpg/ thread--->
Dont listen to the dumb tripfag HP shill ITT. I have a 2570p and while it has an upgradable processor unlike x230, here's what sucks ass-
>shitty screen(I don't think it is upgradable, correct me if I'm wrong)
>mediocre keyboard(no upgrades, x230's is better and yet you can still install the classic one)
>horrible trackpoint(if you are a thinkpad fan you'll probably puke your guts out while using it. This is definitely a no go for any old thinkpad fags who used to own t60s and other early ibms)
>mediocre build quality. The guts are "protected" by a thin pseudo metal covering and I wouldn't want to risk it even accidentally falling down on the ground. Also, while metal is durable, it can acquire dents. Metal also adds to the weight and bulky feeling of the laptop. This could have been solved by using some high grade carbon fibre(like on a thinkpad) which is durable, light weight and feels sleek.
As you can probably guess, I'll be trading it for an x230/x220 or t420/t430. For a thinkpad user, it is not worth it. Also, the upgradable CPU shouldn't be a priority as the price per performance of an upgrade is not justifiable(atleast for me it isn't). It is better to upgrade a desktop computer(where the performance increase is significant). Also, Add to the cost a good thermal paste(and maybe a bigger heat sink).
>Oh, I also missed out that its lacks middle mouse button. My bad. You'd be disappointed by this if you were a loyal thinkpad user

To add further: it basically is just like HP thought, "hey what if we try to merge together a Mac with a thinkpad?"
While their motives were right , what they created in my eyes, was an abomination

>>61022989
>shitty screen
Better than tn x230, worse than IPS x230
>no upgrades
2560p keyboard is different. Chinks are producing custom keyboards. Stop lying
>horrible trackpoint
lie, it's more accurate and objectively better than x230 trackpoint. You can also scroll with two trackpoints keys. Rubber can be replaced with $1 thinkpad one.
>The guts are "protected" by a thin pseudo metal covering
And additional, detachable metal structure inside. Nice lying
>its lacks middle mouse button
Right click button can be used to scroll.

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Starting college next semester, but I'm waiting till august when lenovo does their yearly back-to-school sale to pick up a new T470 with minimal specs so I can buy my own components and upgrade it for less.
Not asking for advice or anything, just came here to say this. Figure it'll trigger at least one person who may or may not feed me a (You).

>>61023155
same here
in the UK you can get student discounts all year round, and I go abroad at the end of August. The discount is about 30% so I don't think there is a point in me wating for a back to school sale which might not happen

>>61023240
make sure you get the 1080p screen. I heard the shitty 720p ones can't even do full sRGB color.

Anons can you help me find decent T500 with WUXGA screen with a price tag of 100$ ??

>>61023266
Of course. I din;t even know what the one below the 1080p screen is because I've instantly selected it when I've done price checks

>>61023322
It's a crappy TN panel. The 1080p panel is an IPS panel, hence the better color range.

>>61020719
Did they really have to fuck up the entire layout because of a single non-English letter?

>>61022989
>mediocre keyboard
Elaborate?
>horrible trackpoint
In what way?
>mediocre build quality
I thought it's full aluminum compared to X230 plastic.

Also I think it have better eGPU support?

>>61023117
M8, I already sold it for the very reasons I mentioned. You can sell your's too and stop having buyer's remorse. Your excuses for 2570p(which there are a few that I'm too lazy to pinpoint) won't change anyone's mind. Accusing other people of lying/shilling would neither validate you or your purchase or would convince any thinkpad user to switch to 2570p. It's a good laptop but it isn't better than a thinkpad. Period.
I know what you are going through, I had buyer's remorse too, for quite sometime after I bought it.

>>61023573
I've proven to you why your """"""reasons"""""" are fucking retarded. You ignored this completely.
Go be a shill somewhere else. >>>/trash/ is a good place I think

>>61023624
please don't send him to /trash/
they have really good porn there

>>61023573
>I had buyer's remorse too, for quite sometime after I bought it.
For these reasons?>>61022989
Then is it really possible for X230 to boot from sd card slot?

>>61023766
>answering to a retard
kek
He literally just admitted he couldn't even afford quad core cpu in his 2570p. That's like $50

I fell for the 2570p meme.
Why didn't I listen to /tpg/

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>>61023490
>Elaborate?
Your typical chiclet shit you can find in any other Walmart tier laptop. Lelnovo too has these chiclet KBs but surprisingly, their KBs resemble the older thinkpads in feel. The only problem with newer lelnovo KBs is with the layout of the keyboard. Feeling wise, they are pretty comfy and are comparable to older thinkpad KBs
>In what way?
It felt pretty clumsy as compared to the thinkpad's trackpoint. But oh well, lelnovo trackpoints are the king of trackpoints in the first place, so that was to be expected. You can still get used to HP's trackpoints if you are using trackpoints for the first time. But if you make the jump to a thinkpad, you'll notice the difference instantly. I recommend that you go to one of the computer vendors in your country and compare them both yourself. Try the KBs too
>I thought it's full aluminium compared to X230 plastic.
I dropped it once, and it's back panel came off, exposing the bare internals. I would not call that durable. Also, Thinkpads use carbon fibre, not cheap plastic. Atleast that's what I know and heard about them.
>Also I think it have better eGPU support?
I don't know or care about egpu support on both thinkpads and HPs because I didn't buy one with that in mind.
>>61023624
Whatever m8, at the end of the day, you are only lying to yourself. It's not like it would do me some benefit by forcing you to buy some other laptop. If you'd like your purchase so much, you wouldn't be defending it like a guard dog. In fact, if it was such a great product, it wouldn't require any amount of shilling or defending in the first place.
>>61023766
I don't know. I don't care actually. I'm still waiting to buy a laptop. X230 is an option but I'm considering others too. Thanks for telling me though, I'll check for thinkpads(or it's competing laptops) for 'boot from sd' feature
>>61023824
You know that as hominems makes you seem insecure right? You sound like pic related

>>61023971
dunno, just seems like common sense to me really
anything above 1080p on a 15 inch or smaller panel is totally arbitrary

>>61024001
>buys 2570p which is meant for people who want high performance mobile computer
>uses dual core cpu and brags about some things being only a little worse than x230 alternative
>overreacts and uses retarded logic
(You)
now kys trash

>2570p have better screen than x230
HP 2570p
https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_migrated/pics/2570p_bw.jpg
X230
https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_migrated/pics/IMG_1200_02.JPG

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>>61024725
I'm sorry but are you mentally retarded or are you just pretending?

>>61024782
>>61024725
not to mention I've clearly stated 2570p tn screen is better than tn x230 and worse than ips x230. This picture is clearly ips vs tn
I'm sorry anon but you're a fucktard. Delete your post and leave

>but the QM CPU in a 2570p throttles after a while under heavy load
Lie. 35W QMs NEVER throttle on standard heatsink.
45W QMs also don't throttle, but temperatures close to 100C are not acceptable (throttling engages at 102C, 105C is shutdown)
It's very easily fixable by mountig small piece of cooper or cooper coints on the heatpipe, which is the only bottleneck in 2570p cooling system.

Whom ever this faggot is, don't believe him until he posts proof.

I personally know a fucking 3740qm will throttle under 100% cpu+gpu load w/ a single heatpipe in that 2470p

Prime95, Memtest, OCCT, 3Dmark
fucking pick one and post proof you faggot.

otherwise shut the fuck up

>BTW its this faggot right here:

First for 2570p master race
>socketed CPU with efficient cooling system capable of handling up to i7-3940xm cpu
>16GB 2133MT/s CL11 RAM support
>very nice eGPU support (hotplug, up to 90% PCIe 2.0 x1 link capability
>two 2,5" 9,5mm bays
>RAID0 12Gbps support
>non-overheating docking station with standard 3x USB 3.0 and 1x USB 2.0 charging port
>easy access to all internal components via single switch
>better speakers than x230
>non-whitelisted wifi slot. You can upgrade wifi card to intel 7260ac without playing with hardware SPI flasher and BIOS modifications like x230 users
>overclocking ability
>trackpoint with "tapping" support
>hardware battery charge indicator

god this faggot doesn't keep going on about it

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Was this a good buy, it was cheaper than high ended (xps13, mac books etc) 14 ish inch laptop because I had a 20% discount. I still waiting for it to arrive, on a side note I whish I could have got a US keyboard tho as I much prefer it over the UK one. Does anyone know if I could swap out the kayboard to a US layout?

Lenovo discount code is studentbeans

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>>61024829
There is no such a laptop as 2470p, and the fact that you repeatedly misspell this proves you don't own one, and you're a fucking retard.
Pic rel, one 35W qm cpu vs two 45W qm cpus in 2570p.

I'm not gonna prove anything to you, you lying piece of shit. There is an entire thread dedicated for people who successfully replaced their CPUs with quad cores and all report there is no throttling after heatsink mod
https://www.techinferno.com/index.php?/forums/topic/1982-125-hp-elitebook-2570p-owners-lounge/
Go fuck yourself, summer cancer. And learn how to quote someone.

How can I be a decent jew and get a decent amount of money for my x220 on yurop?

>>61024829
>3x USB 3.0
Where is the third?

>>61025002
>non-overheating docking station with standard 3x USB 3.0 and 1x USB 2.0 charging port
>non-overheating docking station with
>docking station with
>docking station

>>61024884
I'm
>>61023240

I'm going to be getting a RAM kit from Amazon and stick a SSD I already have in it. I'm going to use a SATA SSD instead of a NVMe SSD because from what I've read, the speed isn't really noticeable unlike HDD to SSD, but I do like being able to upgrade it in the future.

Did you really need WWAN and NFC? I guess I can understand why people would want WWAN but NFC seems super niche.

What made you get the 6 cell battery? I can't decide between the two because the 6 cell is cheaper and will let it last longer, but it makes it much heavier.
Good pick on getting the 65w adapter. It's like a £1.20 upgrade and I think anyone would be stupid to not get one.

>>61024196
>buys 2570p which is meant for people who want high performance mobile computer
How does a dual core mobile CPU and igpu in 2570p means performance by any stretch of imagination? Also, As I've said before, price/performance for the upgrade is not justified by any means for any sane person. I'm better off upgrading by PC or rather buying a cheap console(if by high performance you mean playing vidya.)
>uses dual core cpu and brags about some things being only a little worse than x230 alternative
That's it. I'm done replying to (you). The fact that you yourself don't know the default specs of 2570p and yet are still shilling for it outs your identity as an autistic deceiver who wants to see people make mistakes while buying a new laptop. Here, have a look at the dual cores of your 2570p you filthy shill--->
http://www8.hp.com/sg/en/pdf/HP_EliteBook_2570p_datasheet_tcm_196_1522515.pdf

2570p uses dual cores by default. It isn't meant for anymore higher a performance than similiar laptops using same CPUs and Igpus

>overreacts and uses retarded logic
Looking for comfort, ease of use and durability is not retarded m8.(and I'm putting it rather simply here, look for the reasons I mentioned above for full details)
Your shilling is kinda retarded and borderline autistic though.
>now kys trash
Again, ad-hominems won't help your shilling.

>>61025184
Again, are you mentally retarded? I asked you this multiple times, you never answered this question and never denied that.
2570p is for people who want to use it with quad core cpus and/or multiple disk drives. Is there something still not understood by you in this sentence? I recommend reading it multiple times.
>price/performance for the upgrade is not justified
if you have to justify spending $50 to get a quad core cpu and then selling old dual core for $20 then, again, 2570p is not for you, as you're clearly too poor.
Who gives a shit about default specs of 2570p? Have I ever recommended stock 2570p to anyone?
You're such a retard.

>>61025166

The wlan is a feature I use a lot atm I just use a USB 4g dongle so having it build is a benefit to me. Nfc is standard on all the t470 doubt I'll use it but I would like to have a play around with it as my moto g5 has Nfc. I got the 6 cell battery as it adds thickness to the laptop on one edge so when you're typing the whole laptop is angled a bit which makes typing easier, and the battery life is a lot better for not a lot more weight. On a side note get the back lit keyboard even if you don't think you'd use it much Its only £15 and it can be turned off even if you won't use it.

>>61025294
yep I'm getting the backlit keyboard
I didn't know it came with NFC, but I guess that could be cool.
I'm still going to sleep on the 3 cell vs the 6 cell, but I may end up getting the 6.

>>61025184
You forgot the terrible USB port placement.

>>61025255
>2570p is for people who want to use it with quad core cpus and/or multiple disk drives.
Says only a shill who wants to market their laptop because no one is buying it. Also, disk drive in an ultraportable laptop, yeah that's a joke in it of itself. Welcome to 2017, granny, where no one uses disk drives anymore. I've never used one in years and I didnt think of a disc drive while buying 2570p.
>if you have to justify spending $50 to get a quad core cpu and then selling old dual core for $20 then, again, 2570p is not for you, as you're clearly too poor.
50$ for a quad core ivy bridge? You are not fooling anyone, son.
http://m.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=i7-384the &_sacat=164&_trkparms=pageci%253A5d026b98-574c-11e7-8083-74dbd1804d6e%257Cparentrq%253Acfee386815c0aa11e6604fe1fff7c803%257Ciid%253A1&LH_BIN=1
Hell, even pre-owned ones are hard to come by for 50$.
Also, for the same price, I could probably get a better upgrade for my desktop. Performance/price of upgrading my desktop is 100x more justifiable than upgrading a laptop just to make it barely functional for high performance tasks. It's 100x better for me to upgrade my PC for the same or a little more price, so that I get a high performance/price ratio and offload my laptop's tasks to my PC.
Also, it's ironical that you are calling me a poorfag when you yourself have to do your high performance computing on an upgraded tin can, while I use a dedicated high performance rig for my high performance needs.

>>61025255
http://m.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=i7-3840qm&_sacat=164&_trkparms=pageci%253A5d026b98-574c-11e7-8083-74dbd1804d6e%257Cparentrq%253Acfee386815c0aa11e6604fe1fff7c803%257Ciid%253A1&LH_BIN=1

Is aliexpress a good site to buy X220 IPS screens?

>>61025620
>disk drive in an ultraportable laptop, yeah that's a joke in it of itself
My question still stands. Are you retarded or not? Do you understand what "disk drive" is?
This my last response to you. I really hope intelectually defective people like you will be purged off the society one day. Your (in)ability to logically process text that's given to you is absolutely unaccepteable in modern society.
Spare me this mindless shit you're typing here and just silence yourself.

>>61025620
Not the guy you're talking with but he never said "you can buy i7-3840qm for $50". Posting trash like this really makes you look like a retard.

>>61010262
https://rgbthink.com/
HAHAHAHAHA
IT TURNED OUT TO BE UNRELATED TO THE THINKPAD CLASSIC.
/tpg/ BTFO'D

>tfw main machine is still the T500 I bought for university back in 2009
>RAM maxed out at 8 GB, plus 256 GB SSD

I've thought about upgrading before, but in all measures aside from performance, the newer 15" laptops are objectively worse. Nothing beats the 1920x1200 screen, and I like being able to use the nice old T60 keyboards. The T9400 processor can actually keep up decently, and coupled with a Crucial MX200 it feels quick in most day-to-day tasks. I'm going to be very sad when this computer gets to the point that it can't load most websites at any speed other than excruciatingly slow (as happened to my older T22 years before).

>>61022989
I have a 2570p that I use as my Linux machine (the T500 runs Windows 7). I bought it mainly because it was extremely cheap ($250 in 2015) and while I don't think it is the equal of the Thinkpad, or even the Dell Latitude for that matter, I don't find it to be as bad as most people make it out to be. Screen seems alright aside from the resolution, the keyboard seems fine for general office work, build quality is reasonably good and while the trackpoint is clearly inferior, at least you have one. That being said, I am sure using it as my main machine would be infuriating after a while. I think it functions very well as a portable travel computer, but beyond that, I dunno...

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>>61025979
>while the trackpoint is clearly inferior, at least you have one.
Did you try to replace the cancer black rubber with thinkpad one?
Do you know you can scroll with right trackpoint button?

How long can you keep the CPU running at high temps?

>>61026022
Ctrl > Fn

>>61026052
What?

>>61026022
>Did you try to replace the cancer black rubber with thinkpad one?

I did, actually! Pulled the one off my T500 keyboard (since, as I said, I use the keyboard from a T60). The Thinkpad nub helps with the tactile feel, but the actual stick HP uses is still inferior. Wanders too much and isn't as precise. Maybe that will change soon as I believe the Thinkpad TrackPoint patents expire this year.

>>61026077
It should be Fn > Ctrl

>>61026181
Why? Any particular reason?

>>61013782
Yeah, i got what i expected desu, but some games keep surprising me.
Warframe locks at 30fps, Guild Wars 2 goes beyond and stays on 40fps, while playing on native resolution (Beautiful game btw.)
Mass Effect, Paladins, Path of Exile, everything at 30 fps+

You could say they look like shit on their settings, but they're hella playable.

>>61026226
Aesthetics

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How upgradable is the T400? I want it to be as powerful as possible while retaining libreboot

>>61026173
>but the actual stick HP uses is still inferior
I'm pretty sure this is caused by either wear or drivers in your case. I'm using 2570p, x200s and t520 daily and DPI is all these cases is same, as long as proper drivers are installed.
Do you observe same behavior under windows with synaptics driver? There are also synaptics drivers for linux AFAIK

>>61026256
??? Care to explain how this affects aesthetics?
Unless you wanted to say "I prefer it", then I'm okay with that.

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>>61026301
>(FuNction key) A keyboard modifier key that works like a Shift key to activate a second function on a dual-purpose key. Commonly found on laptop keyboards, the Fn key is used to control hardware functions such as screen brightness and speaker volume. It may also be found on extra small keyboards for desktop computers, typically for Page Up and Page Down, which are combined with Up Arrow and Down Arrow

So it would make more sense to be placed in easy to reach place without having to worry about mistakingly pressing the wrong key.

I guess chicklet keyboard don't have this issue, that's why it was moved since you'd be using the Ctrl key more.

>>61020719
Found the hue.

>>61026398
ctrl is much more important and more frequently used than fn, so it should be easier reachable than fn.

>>61026420
The cumstain on palmrest?

X220 is just T420 without the speakers.

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>>61026485
but X220 has speakers

>>61020747
Thanks for the free replacement battery, retard.
haahahahah

>>61026533
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>>61026562
fuck off

>>61026022
>wangblows
Gee, how do I get this function on my NC4010 under GNU/Linux?

>>61026617
either upgrade to windows(TM) and use AHK with my script or make a script under linux by yourself

>>61026627
I think there is way to deal with this. Just a bunch of config files jerking
Also NC4010 sdcard reader does not work in Linux and looking threads to solve this, most of them just gave up and bought a usb adapter instead.

>>61025725
Disk drive is a broad term which consist of optical drives, HDDs,floppy drives etc. Naturally I thought you were talking about the optical drive, considering how you were speaking in so glorifying manner about it, like it was the second coming of Christ.This is understandable because optical drive isn't something we'd find in an ultra portable laptop. I admit that I made a mistake while reading, that is, I ignored the term "multiple" before "drives"
So yeah if you mean by sheer amount of max storage possible on the laptop, of course 2570p has it better than say x230. The question is, whether "more storage=better" is true? I reckon, in most cases the answer is no. X230 for example, can house a decent amount of max data possible. 2570p goes overboard in this case. So no I won't take multiple drives as some glorifying feature over x230 unless I was using my laptop for acting like a server for cloud drives.
Also, its hilarious how you are completely silent about your "50$ quad core cpu" claim.
Tl;dr-->retarded shills calling other people retards all the while trying to force their lies down other people's throat, remain what they are, retarded shills.
>>61025801
Oh, okay. Tell me about a quad core ivy bridge CPU that offers significantly better performance than the stock CPU. It should cost 50$. Also, if I can find a better upgrade for my PC for the same price, keeping in mind the performance per price ratio, then your suggestion is invalid. You'll then have to suggest me another one. Go on, tell me about it.
Also, I can install an i7 3840qm in a t420 too, via core boot method, and that'd probably be cheaper than upgrading a 2570p
>>61025979
I know that 2570p is a good device m8. I even mentioned it before. But its nowhere near the think pad level of comfort. I agree with you on most part except for 2-3 points. But the shill that is arguing with me, is kinda autistic and can't handle criticism of a fucking laptop. Its like the laptop owns him or something.

>>61027012
I think this guy already told you to fuck off. What are you still doing here?

>>61027022
Fuck off.
What are you even doing here?

>>61027012
>High storage on ultra portable machine
What's wrong with both of you?

>>61027036
You come to this friendly thread, you start shitting it with stupid arguments that are being debunked oevr and over again, like the screen comparison one:
>>61024725
>>61024782
>>61024796
and then you ignore response and start pulling even more stupid illogical ""arguments"" to heal your butthurt and prove everyone that the laptop you don't like is bad.
Holy shit just go somewhere else. We don't want you here.

>>61027073
Exactly m8.... I wasn't the one raising an issue about multiple drives in the first place.
>>61027080
Is 2570p's screen upgradable to a decent quality one?
If not, then BTFO and let the adults speak.
If yes, then make a comparison with x230's IPS panel

>>61027080
Also, all I see in those pics, is x230's IPS panel giving 2570p a miserable defeat.

>>61027122
Why are you moving your goalposts? Is this so painful for you to admit you're lying?
Yes it is.
Because you said so? "Adults" lol
For what purpose? To prove some autistic flaming kid on /g/ that he's wrong?
And I don't even own this 2570p you're bitching about.

>>61027146
Why are you posting this shit when everyone already agreed 2570p TN screen is bad if compared to x230 IPS?

Is the T470 series going to get a refresh this year?

>>61027156
Okay, where were you when that autist said "people own a 2570p for upgrading it to quad core". What about goal posts now, faggot?
>>61027179
Well ask the guy who thought it would mask the truth somehow. I'm half sure that the guy was mixing up the two screens while comparing them. That is perhaps he was replying to me for some sort of 'gotcha' moment.

>>61027222
I don't think they do mid-year refreshes

>>61027122
your problem is you were already told couple of times to go with x230 if it matches your needs better than 2570p
what else do you want to hear retard?

>>61027309
When do they usually happen?

Looking to buy a T470/s in August. Don't want them to come out with a refresh in December.

>>61027448
As far as I'm aware they're released for January.
I'm going ot be getting a T470 in August too but honestly I'm not too worried.

>>61027269
>people own a 2570p for upgrading it to quad core
And what is your problem with this?
2570p without quad core processor and lots of good storage is worse than x230, and nobody ever recommended it to people who are just looking for a cheap light laptop for daily shitposting. Why are you overcomplicating this? Can you use any valuable argument against that?
>Well ask the guy who thought it would mask the truth somehow
You are being asked, so answer the question. Unless you don't understand the question, then either use google translate or ask your parents to carefully explain it to you.

>>61026284
I had Windows on it for about two months after I bought it (at the time I was deal-booting the T500 since I had a nice big 500 GB HDD) and as I recall it was still kind of shit compared to the T500's TrackPoint under Windows, even with the proper drivers from HP.

I've tried to defend my Elitebook best as I can but sometimes you just gotta recognize when another product has the upper hand. Not necessarily saying it's you doing this, but whenever I see Elitebook owners they remind me of a neighbour I have who constantly tries to find ways to claim that his 2006 Chevy Malibu is the equivalent of my 2005 Toyota Camry, despite the fact that the latter is in much better shape rust-wise, and is more reliable despite having shittier maintenance, higher mileage and more abuse. The Malibu (Elitebook) is not a BAD car (laptop), but it's just not as good as the Camry (Thinkpad).

>>61027629
> but sometimes you just gotta recognize when another product has the upper hand.
but I do admit this in every thread. It's just 2570p has different purpose than x230. Usually /g/ (more advanced users, lets say) care about having as much resources as possible, so 2570p is a neat choice for such people.
x230 is better if you mostly care about comfort (ie.better trackpoint, 7 row keyboards, IPS screen etc). But saying that 2570p is absolutely shit because "objectively noone ever wants quad cores in small laptops" like this retard >>61027269 is implying is just a lie and trolling attempt.
Not to mention some people treat /tpg/ as a safe space, trying to remove all people who point out obvious minuses of x230/t430/any other thinkpads.

>>61026260
8GB DDR3
Core 2 Duo [email protected]
1440x900 display
Intel GMA 4500 + 256MB Radeon 3470 switchable graphics

>>61027465
Oh ok. Which one are you getting?

T470s is the one with a soldered RAM module, right? Is that and the possibility of a 1440p screen on the s the only difference between 470 and 470s.

p would be perfect, except it doesn't have Thunderbolt. Wtf Lenovo?

>>61027808
I'm getting the T470 (non S, non P)

The "s" comes in silver if you're into that sort of thing, a 1440p screen, and also has no removable battery

>>61027509
>nobody ever recommended it to people who are just looking for a cheap light laptop for daily shitposting
any time anyone mentions the x220 or x230 one of you fucking autists pop up to sperg about how much better your 2570p is, no matter what use case the person has

you retards ruined a decent laptop with your unrestrained autism

>>61027901
>you fucking autists pop up to sperg about how much better your 2570p is
you got 268 posts here. Point where someone did something like this.
Or admit you're lying and leave this thread.

>>61027509
>And what is your problem with this?
>2570p without quad core processor and lots of good storage is worse than x230, and nobody ever recommended it to people who are just looking for a cheap light laptop for daily shitposting. Why are you overcomplicating this? Can you use any valuable argument against that?
Nothing m8. This precisely what I'm saying except for the upgrade part. I'm arguing that upgrading the CPU is a waste of money too. Basically, shilling for 2570p in /tpg/ and using the upgradeable CPU meme as a massive positive over other similar products is asinine . Its highly likely that anybody won't upgrade the CPU unless they got it for free or extremely cheap.
>You are being asked, so answer the question. Unless you don't understand the question, then either use google translate or ask your parents to carefully explain it to you.
That guy was saying that the screen myth was debunked over and over again and was posting pics which were depicting the exact opposite. So yeah, I don't get it what he was pointing at..... I'm legit thinking I'm getting autistic every second by staying in this thread with other autists, so I'm deleting the bookmark now. Bye bye.

>>61027937
And all of this is coming from a previous 2570p user

The download speed for my Lenovo X230 is painfully slow, like a half hour for a 200 megabyte file. It is the sane whetger I an using linux or windows 10. Is there any way to remedy this?

>>61028017
antenna cable come out of the WiFi card?

>>61028017
have you tested it with ethernet and/or another device?

>>61027936
first fucking post in this thread is unprovoked 2570p shitposting
first post in the last thread was too
those OPs were also edited to shill your autismbook
i wonder if there's some sort of relation there

>>61028041
My phone downloads fine.

>>61027882
>no removable battery
T470 for me too, then.

>>61027808

The t470s doesn't have solder ram it just has 1 dimm slot over the t470 2 dimm slots.

>>61028031
How can you tell if that happened?

>>61027937
>Nothing m8.
Then why this entire shitposting?
>over other similar products is asinine
Such as?
Point to 1 (ONE) 12" business laptop that can host a quad core and doesn't melt steel beams. Any luck? I thought to.
>I'm arguing that upgrading the CPU is a waste of money too
For you, probably. But than again nobody gives a shit about you.
For people who want fastest possible 12" laptop it's not a waste.
>Its highly likely that anybody won't upgrade the CPU unless they got it for free or extremely cheap.
But its clearly stated by everyone to not buy 2570p if you don't plan to use quad core. So, again, which part of this you did not understand? Why are you still shitposting?
>That guy was saying that the screen myth was debunked over and over again
because it was. 2570p guy said that stock 2570p screen is better than stock x230 tn, which is true. Then you quoted "2570p screen is better" and posted x230 ips screen and compared it to 2570p tn. You were told you're basically right, but you can't read and you're retarded. So what's still your problem?
>so I'm deleting the bookmark now. Bye bye.
well I guess you've been just told.

>>61028080
first post was clearly a bait, or as we call it "a joke". Ha-ha. You fell for the bait. Now please return to your memes page (reddit)

>>61028156
joke's on you fuckface, i was only pretending to be retarded

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>>61028122
open the cover that has the WiFi card underneath and make sure the things circled in left are properly pushed down

>>61014056

You sir needs a Brazilian wax!!!

>>61025255
>Quad cores for just $50
On what fucking planet? The lowest ones I've seen that are worth it (i7-3720qm and higher) are AT LEAST $100, without shipping.
Even the i7-3610qm is $75.

>>61028979
>On what fucking planet?
in european 3rd world countries like Poland. Got my i7-3740qm for $65. i7-3630qm are below $50 here.
And we got high prices here... so I fail to understand what stops you from buying it from poland and paying $5 for international shipping if you live in europe.

>>61029042
>poland
/pol/ was right.

>>61029042
Thing is, I don't live in Poland, and I doubt they will not charge top dollar to ship it to the tacoland.
Anyways, where is it for sale at that price? Definitely not eBay...

>>61029159
>to the tacoland.
well that's true, nobody ships anything to tacoland due to extremely high shipping costs.
Go on vacation to poland/hungary senpai, we got fuckload of cheap thinkpads here.

>>61011365
>tfw gf has a nice ass but thinkpad old af

Just completely disassembled my T420 to replace a hinge. Now the battery won't charge past 47%. Did my battery just coincidentally shit the bad right after I put everything together or is there something I could have fucked up?

>>61029837
I was browsing the tlp functions right now (Doing some research.), maybe you could try something:

http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-management.html

There are some nice exclusive commands for thinkpads, maybe it would be useful.

>>61029837
Reset EC.
Pull battery out. Disconnect PSU. Start pressing the power button every 2 seconds for 1 minute. Connect battery, PSU. Power on

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>>61010262
So, I want to buy a x200 Motherboard, install it into my x201 chassis, and then install Libreboot onto that. I know that swapping the motherboards is easy, but I'm uncertain about the Libreboot flashing procedure... I have a device with gpio pin output/input, but I wouldn't mind someone to walk me through it and hold my hand... Anyone here know of this process and willing to help me out, or know anyone/anywhere that could help and hold my hand?

Join my IRC and chat me up, thanks a ton!!

https://lewd.pics/irc

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Poor W500-tan, struggling to keep a niche...

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Will this plug into the W530?

>>61030498
>not ibm
>not ibm
>not ibm
>not ibm
Ugh

>>61024906
Sell it on ebay.de, it's pretty central Yurop.

I buy from refurb shops, cheap and plentiful. Granted, the T420 I'm looking at will be about 300$ but that's with replacement battery, dock, a socket+car charger and so much other bullshit.

>>61030528
Yes, but it won't work.

>>61030648
Any way to do Blu Ray on the W530?

>>61030661
It will work...
don't listen to this retard.

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Should computrace be turned off if buying used? I want to buy from someone who says they bought a bunch of t420s in bulk from a business, yet the computrace reads as active in the the BIOS. Wouldn't the company disable that feature before selling?

>>61030753
No it won't.
I've tried to use BluRay optic drive from HP DV6 Pavilion on T420, and the thing didn't even get power.
So either the ultrabay is dead, or there's something missing.

>>61030818
dv6 used 5V+12V powers. This one is a modern 5V one at there is no reason why it couldn't work.

>>61030789
Tell them that you'd like to buy it, but wont until they disable computrace
Because you can't disable it without whoever originally set it up deactivating it first.

Fuck this
I'm going to install Gentoo on my T30. If not successul then parabola or archlinux with openrc
>inb install LFS

>>61030888
I thought you could phone computrace up, give them proof of payment and they unlock it

>>61031024
>not funtoo

>>61031055
If you can give them proof that you bought computrace then maybe
But they wont just disable it because you bought it off some dude on ebay. I already tried
That said as long as it's not marked as stolen you'll be fine

>>61030834
>5V+12V powers
But the connection is the same.

>>61031156
yes. So?

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>>61031208
Sorry but I don't understand.

>buy X220
>try ubuntu
>wifi works, Fn buttons work, updater works, not even 10 GB
>install windows 7
>wifi doesn't work, even brightness Fn buttons don't work, updater needs patch to work, already 15 GB
just wanted to say windows is a fucking piece of shit

>>61031269
It's always been a tossup for me
sometimes only windows works out of the box on some machines, and sometimes only linux works out of the box
sometimes neither works out of the box and sometimes both work out of the box

NEW THREAD!

>>61031265
>>61031265
>>61031265

NEW THREAD!

>>61031269
>updater
What's that?

>>61023385
they fuck around with other stuff on the right side of the keyboard, as well as shifting all the Shift+1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0 one to the left to fit in a dedicated ß key. I hate having to type in German on my (UK) keyboard, I know where all the keys are without having to try them first but the layout is just so stupid and needlessly different that it pisses me off nonetheless. And don't get me started on the Y-Z switch.

>>61020719
Is there a way to replace a stock ANSI keyboard with an ISO one?

>>61031262
SATA connector is designed to provide 5V and 12V lines.
But it doesn't mean it has to. Old devices were draining so much power than both 5V and 12V lines were required. For example all modern 2,5" HDDs are using 5V line only, while 2,5" SATA/SAS server drives require 5V+12V lines and these use same SATA connector. 3,5" HDDs also got same connector and also use 5V and 12V lines.

>>61031318
i meant ubuntu® software updater

>>61031353
So they need 17V?

>>61031378
No... 5V is usually used for powering up PCB, 12V is for the disk rotor.

>>61031454
And the xx20 thinkpad only provide 5 V for the ultrabay?
This would mean it won't power 2.5" HDD if it need 5V+12V if it was used with HDD caddy.

>>61031511
>And the xx20 thinkpad only provide 5 V for the ultrabay?
yes
>This would mean it won't power 2.5" HDD if it need 5V+12V if it was used with HDD caddy.
as I said above every single mobile device today uses 5V only. Server drives are an exception.

>>61031511
no 2.5" hard drive uses 12 volts

>>61031759
Then how does the ultrabay work?
Does it upvoltage the 5V to 12V?

>>61031788
it doesn't
everything you put in there is 5 volts

>>61031788
Are you mentally retarded?

>>61022989
>you are a thinkpad fan you'll probably puke your guts out while using it. This is definitely a no go for any old thinkpad
this was the worst part of it all
There is really no point in even having the trackpoint on those HP units because they don't have the proper mouse buttons to make scrolling possible like you would on a Thinkpad. Touchpads are shit. It's so much easier to use a trackpoint

>>61032787
See this, anon. And yeah, I agree with you.
>>61031301