/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Haha

At exactly the same price, which mobo is better?
ASUS B350-F Gaming Strix or
MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon
The anus one is slightly more appealing to me, but then it has no PS/2 while the msi has one combo port
does ps/2 even matter today?

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>>60928072
oh wow

>>60928072
>>60928093
just post the sauce already

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>>60928093
olol
>b-b-but Skylake-X will suck at gaming

>>60928112
just wait for threadripper

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>>60928112
top jej
>b-b-but muh Ryzen meme "efficiency"
>>60928122
You can always count on the AMDrone to say "just Wait (TM)"

>>60928122
Like just wait for Vega?

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>>60928132
top kek
>can hit 4.7GHz on any core
>matches Kaby Lake in single-threaded performance
>b-b-but muh paste
AMDrones BTFO once again

>>60928155
Like just wait for Ryzen

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>>60928165
>4.7GHz on ALL cores at 1.25V
Threadripper?
More like Deadshitter

>1500$ CPU winning against 400$ CPU
and?

>>60928182
are you quite done? Still waiting on your sources.
BTW, how's that new Intel game, "Cash Grab"?

>>60928093
>Performs only 54% more than stock R7 1700 yet is 330% of it's price and requires a cooler on top of that
Nice prices intel, can't wait for threadripper

What is a good motherboard for use with 7700k and Nvidia 1070?

>>60928217
It's $999, retard

>>60928244
Yeah. They even bundle it with free game called "Delid This™ 2: Toothpaste Strikes Back".
Very good deal, yeah.

>>60928237
gasoline and a match. Might as well beat the components to the punch

>>60928031
Somebody update that CPU recommendation list and include the Core i9s for total world domination
They taking over
>>60928284
You don't even need to delid to hit 4.7GHz.
1.25V nigga

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Does anyone have any idea what this could be for? Its coming from the front end cables of my Spec Alpha and its the last thing to plug in (also are case fan connectors supposed to be this loose?

>>60928297
Stop shilling your i9 when it's not even out, it didn't take anything overr

>>60928345
That's clearly a SATA power connector, it could be for a fan controller or LED power
Buy a Core i9, nigger

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Was thinking of getting a 1080ti but now leaning more towards a 1070 since I only need/can go up to 60fps with this monitor + I've read some shit about a 1080ti being bottlenecked by the CPU (don't really get what that means).

I play GTA:O, PUBG, FO4, games like that etc. but will probably end up playing a bunch of other games too.

Currently I can get most settings on high for most games but would like to push to ultra.

1070 the way to go? Not gonna wait for Volta since I want better performance now, plus I could always sell and upgrade later anyway.

>>60928384
At 1080p, the 1080ti goes so fast that the CPU can't catch up. That is a bottleneck. Go look up benchmarks. You don't need a 1080ti to play GTA, PUBG, FO4. 1070 will do just fine. 1060 even if you lower some settings.

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>>60928561
He's got a 1440p monitor though.

>>60928384
I'd go with a 1080 (non Ti) for 1440p ultra if it were me, especially if you already feel crunched by the 970. Anon above is correct that you may be CPU bottlenecked in some games causing intermittent FPS drops as your system chugs. You could pop in a 4770 or 4790 some day to alleviate this.

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>>60928182
>>60928165
>>60928132
>>60928112
>>60928093
>>60928072

>>60929100
>not even optimized for Skylake-X yet
Nice cherrypicking. I didn't even have to cherrypock my charts because 90% of them were positive towards the 7900X.
AMDRONE
BTFO

>>60929100
still waiting on that source faggot.
Just replying with "google" is a copout that invalidates everything you say.

Building a little ITX Home server with an i3 probably (specifically looking for mobos that have m.2 and a processor with AVX2)

Have ISP's been known to block incoming port 22 traffic or should I just host my ssh on another random port?
I have AT&T Uverse

Been looking at the H170M and H110M mobos

>>60929125
The fact that the 7900X MSRP is $700 less than the 6950X is proof enough that intel is the only one getting blown the fuck out with these chips.

help a newfag out (make the build cheaper and suggest better parts if you can)
>Ryzen 5 1500x
>Sapphire 480 Nitro 8gb
>MSI B350 Mortar
>Kingston Hyper X Fury DDR4 8gb (8x1)
>WD SSD 120 gb (idk which model)
>Corsair CS550M PSU
I might get the Thermaltake Core V1 case and buy a 1TB WD HDD after I build this (for current-gen gaming)

>>60929257
I'd reccomend collecting all your parts into PCPartPicker so it's easy for everyone to analyze the price of them and such

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

I'm in the market for a new cpu. The i7 7700k is on sale right now but there seems to be problems ocing them. What do I buy and when. Not getting ryzen. I don't do knock off brands.

>>60929409
Ryzen

>>60929409
>Not getting ryzen
Why?
>I don't do knock off brands.
What?

Leave this thread if you're not here to listen to our advices. You're not the only one to say something retarded, say "trust me i know this better than you", and ask for help in the process. It's very stupid to think you know better than us while asking us help at the same time.

>>60929409
>>60929429
>>60929432
Stop with this AMD/Intel bait shit. You're all just trying to start another fucking meme argument and everyone knows it

>>60929409
Intel's only worthwhile CPU right now are the 7700k (in some cases) and the g4560 (in case of budget builds), so i guess you'll have to settle for a g4560

>Temperatures were definitely a concern with Cinebench and Terragen pushing 100°C with our 240mm AIO liquid cooler. As a result, while stable and potentially tameable under custom water-cooling, we decided to go for 4.6GHz for benchmarking
As expected, the 7700k thermal problems now on HEDT CPUs. Sasuga intel.

>>60929432
Ryzen is shit and you need to kill yourself or leave if you think it's better than Intel for one second. It's a good budget cpu and that's it

Nobody needs 100 cores

>>60929499
>Nobody needs 100 cores
He says just as the 10 core $100 7900x just got it's first benchmarks released
Please leave this thread.

>>60929525
>$100
$1000

>>60929525
I'm not talking about X series you queer

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>>60929577
i like ice cream

I'm in the market for a new 1440p monitor in the 600 euro range. I mainly use my PC for programming and watching 16:9 content.
So I've come across the following monitors: Iiyama ProLite XUB3490WQSU-B1 and Iiyama ProLite XUB3490.
What do you guys think on using a 21:9 monitor for programming? What about the monitors?

Can somebody rec me a good parts list and setup for buttcoin mining? Turning over a huge profit isn't even a big priority for me, I just think it would be a fun project and if it makes me money than even better. Its not really something I would even build now since gpu prices are so inflated, so don't worry about budget.

>>60929297
>>60929257
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n7DKD8
Unfortunately, I don't know if the WD SSD is a 2.5 or a M.2. Also, please recommend a case for this build preferably by Thermaltake or CoolerMaster. Any help is appreciated

>>60929653
>Buttcoin
Nope. Go mine Etherium

Cheapest PC I could build that supports GPU passthrough?

I want to upgrade my i7 920 finally, but I'd love my new PC to do GPU passthrough.

Wondering if it's worth buying second hand parts to test it out, before I jump in to an expensive rig though?>>60928031

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thoughts?

>>60929711
Just needs vt-d i/o visualization
https://ark.intel.com/Search/FeatureFilter?productType=processors

>>60929783
What it will be used for ?
noone can tell if pc is good if you won't tell him what it will be used for
:P

>>60929845
hopefully bannerlord
until then nothing

>>60929783
>Pentium
KYS
get more memed

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hcfCWX
PURPOSE: Gaming
BUDGET: 3K
Am I spending too much on some parts ? Can I make something equally as good for less ? Any general tips and info will help alot. Im just aiming to make it future proof.

>>60929783
If you're buying relatively soon (next 2 months is my semi-educated guess), not only will any RX cards be expensive, but almost impossible to get. You could opt for a GTX 1050Ti. Won't match 470 performance though.
Comes down to whether or not you wanna wait, want to use 1050Ti as a holdover card and sell it later, etc.

>>60929879
>hopefully bannerlord
m8

>>60929921
I need non nvidia for kvm hypervisor
but yeah I plan to wait, 500 bucks is a lot of money to spend
I'll probably go ahead with everything but the gpu and keep tabs on ebay for my gpu
I have a psu already
>>60929939
soon (TM)

>>60929681
Get a PNY ssd instead, and with only 120 gb you won't have much space left over. Might as well get an HDD now for storage or a bigger ssd.
Good luck finding that gpu, either get ready to wait or grab a 1060 6gb.

As far as cases go, just get whatever size you want and the look that appeals to you.

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I'm upgrading my FX6300/RX 270x build to a Ryzen 1600/GTX 1060 6GB build. Shit is gonna be fucking cash.
HOWEVER, the situation with RAM and Ryzen mobos confuses me a little. I get that Ryzen's "Infinity Fabric" avails itself of faster ram to actually intra-communicate faster, and for that I want some high-speed ram. But I've also read that most boards and the CPUs only officially support 2400MHz speeds, and everything over that is overclocking. I wanna get 2666MHz or 3000MHz RAM for the build, but am I gonna get rekt with lack of support or something?

>>60929984
>AMD + Nvidia
Nigga, what the fuck are you doing? Especially with 1060. Get 580 for fuck's sake.

Are gpu prices inflated right now? I'm thinking of building a PC for my nephew but if the market is bloated maybe I should wait.

>>60929913
1800x is a very cost inefficient CPU when you can get a 1700x or even a 1700 and overclock it to reach almost identical performances
D15 is good but very pricy, you don't need such a beefy cooler for overclocking. If you want you can settle down for a $60 or even $40 cooler and you'll do just as well overclocking, though the thermals will be worse but not bad by any mean.
Why the crosshair VI hero?
Why an M.2 NVME SSD, do you do any productivity stuff?

>>60930016
>Get 580 for fuck's sake.
Implying it's in stock anywhere and anon can get it.

>>60930020
eth and buttcoin mining is popular again

>>60930020
The market is permafucked until the next generation of cards comes out. Way too much demand for the current measly supply.

>>60929819
apparently also needs motherboard support and gpu support!

>>60930045
If I'm being honest most of these parts I found on that logical increments website. Should I switch out the MB or SSD ? I dont do any productivity stuff.

>>60930016
I mean if you can point me to one I'd be happy to.
Until then, what specifically is gonna happen? I've seen people say this but the only explanation I've seen is fanboyism being offended ("what do you MEAN you support both companies based on which provides the best product for your situation!?")

i just got a gtx 1080 ti, and tested a few games in 4k. all is well except something was making hell of noise, and it wasn't the gpu, it was actually completely quiet. it was my cpu fan, which is a noctua 14cm, set to silent. the cpu reaches 75c and the fan is ridiculously loud. it's a 6700k. is this just normal and i am supposed to live with this noise or did i mess up with the thermal paste possibly? and aren't noctua cpu fans supposed to be pretty quiet even at high rpm? my case has three fans, two in and one out and they are set to low rpm so they weren't making the noise, and airflow should not be an issue, and room temp is 20~

>>60930128
I'm running a 1600 and 1060 right now, it's fine.

>>60929783
Where the fuck did you find an rx470?

>>60930088
literally most motherboards support this now-a-days

anybody have an aida 64 extreme key they're willing to share

Gtx 1070 Armor OC and i5 6600k is my plan for upgrading, I got the 1070 on sale so I'm just wondering if the i5 6600k is a good idea.

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>>60930415
>Armor

>>60930415
What's the price of the 6600k you wanna get?
Unless it's at $140, it's not really worth it.

>>60930126
logicalincrements has completely gone to shit over the past year. Don't use it.

>>60930321
My current one should, but fucking ASUS fucked the BIOS up. ASUS P6T is mine, but same goes for so many others

>>60930126
Yeah, get a much cheaper mobo like an msi b350 pc mate, asus prime b350 plus, or such
and don't get an NVME ssd

>>60930478
I noticed its not the strongest of the 1070s but anythings gonna be amazing compared to my old GT640.

>>60930511
Probably going to wait until a sale of 200 or under, but I've been waiting a long time to upgrade.what would you suggest instead for my Z270 mobo?

>>60930578
I suggest you don't get a 6600k and go for an R5 1600 + B350 motherboard instead as it is both cheaper and performs better

>>60929783
Get 2 sticks of 2400 RAM.
You are heavily gimping the already weak CPU, which will already bottleneck the RX470, with 1 stick of 2133. That's like a 20% perf difference in some cases and is worth spending the few bucks more for.

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My recommended part lists at different price points. Want to do better CPU overclocking? Invest in an aftermarket cooler and X370 motherboard.

$480 - Play ANY 2017 title @ 1080p50 medium settings
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/horsejumper/saved/B2hf7P
>Pentium G4560
>8GB (4x2) DDR4-2400
>250GB SSD
>Geforce GTX 1050 Ti

$820 - Play ANY 2017 title @ 1080p60 high settings
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/horsejumper/saved/vYnzyc
>Ryzen 5 1400
>8GB (4x2) DDR4-3200
>512GB SSD
>Geforce GTX 1060 6GB

$1,000 - Play ANY 2017 title @ 1440p60 medium settings
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/horsejumper/saved/h3qt6h
>Ryzen 5 1500X
>8GB (4x2) DDR4-3200
>512GB SSD
>Geforce GTX 1070

$1,390 - Play ANY 2017 title @ 2160p45 low settings
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/horsejumper/saved/7C3P6h
>Ryzen 5 1600
>16GB (8x2) DDR4-3200
>512GB SSD
>Geforce GTX 1080 TI

Can't afford an SSD or need mass storage? Hitachi.

Forgive me for the stupid question, but how are you able to connect an HDMI cable to a video card that has an HDMI port and have the wire through the case?

>>60930565
>Can't afford an SSD or need mass storage? Hitachi.
or any other HDD brand since they have about the same reliability.
Hard mode: no Backblaze links/charts

>>60930638
if you have $1400 to use on a computer, why even save at that point? just get a proper cpu and ssd, it will still be below $2000
then play any title at maxed 4k 60 fps

>>60930415
4c/4t will heavily bottleneck anything more powerful than a 1060/RX580 in newer games.
Heck, even in some older ones it'll still bottleneck them, like Metro Last Light and shit.

You have to be tarded to buy a $400 GPU with a 6600k unless all you play is Arma3.
1500X might perform a bit worse in older games, but it's better when it matters. 15 less FPS average in CSGO is meaningless compared to making sure you stay above 60-90fps minimum in newer games.

>>60930638
Not sure I'd buy an Nvidia card with a 6 core since their driver is still fucked up.
Would wait for Vega if you want to spend over $1100 on a PC.

>>60930638
Why recommend R5 1400 when it's way slower than R5 1500X which costs only 17$ more?
512GB SSD is nice but in >1000$ builds you should focus on CPU/GPU more. 250GB is enough for most users.

is it even worth it to spring for a AM4 r5 when the LGA-4094 socket is right around the corner?

>>60930349
Bump

>>60930716
???
R5 is either 4/8 or 6/12. LGA-4094 socket is meant for Threadripper CPUs, so unless you need min. 10/20 it's not meant for you.

>>60930716
>lga 4094
What?

>>60930692
>Not sure I'd buy an Nvidia card with a 6 core since their driver is still fucked up.

no. it was never anything to do with nvidia. a ryzen specific patch for rottr fixed it on nvidia gpu without any driver.

https://youtu.be/7ebtf66fL4A

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9L79d6

My gaymin/streaming build so far
Been years since I looked at pc parts, but I think I've got something that'll last for a while.

Any suggestions for changes? Thinking maybe switching out the WD for something else since I heard iffy things about them, and still not sure if the cpu cooler is overkill.
Also the video card'll probably come later.

>>60930162
anybody has any clues?

So how do you figure out the exact minimum PSU wattage for a build?

>>60930813
You most likely seated the CPU cooler wrong, it shouldn't reach 75c during gaming
Replace thermal paste and make sure you put the cooler properly

>>60930809
If you'd like a completely different part selection for a little less; I'd suggest

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/horsejumper/saved/7C3P6h

Going to stream and play extremely well, throw in a Hitachi HDD for your streaming footage. Use the selected SDD for everything else.

If you want to do high overclocks, I'd go with an aftermarket cooler and X370 motherboard, if you only want to do minimal overclocking; the B350 and stock cpu cooler are fine.

>>60928297
>Somebody update that CPU recommendation list and include the Core i9s for total world domination
Nice joke.

>>60930809
>still not sure if the cpu cooler is overkill.
It is, just settle for a ~$50 if you're looking to save money. It's plentiful enough to overclock.
Also the 1800x isn't really worth it's price, you should settle for a 1700x and overclock to 4GHz manually (you're gonna get better performances than stock 1800x that way).
I highly doubt you need a x370 motherboard.
WD blacks are entreprise drive, not consumer. Get a Toshiba, Seagate or Hitachi $75~ 2TB instead.

>>60930809
you don't need 1800x / Noctua cooler / x370 unless you REALLY want to hit that 4.0GHz. In the end you'll spend 350$ on 2% more performance.
You won't find RX 580 in stock anywhere.
You probably don't need Full Tower case (they are huge). Same with the UPS - not needed
Platinum PSUs are a meme.
Go for R7 1700(x) and a better GPU like 1080 or 1080ti.

>>60930858
stop shilling hitachi

>>60930888
Hitachi is ranked as the most reliable HDD manufacturer. It's the only HDD that I recommend over an SSD.

It's always that horsejumper dude with the weird advice, bad attitude and questionable lists. What went wrong?

>>60929409
Just get the 6950x, goy.

>>60930910
>Hitachi is ranked as the most reliable HDD manufacturer
Give me a source that isn't Backblaze. Protip: you can't

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>>60930931
>names source
>"oh but you can't use this one!"
/g/ logic.

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thoughts?

>>60930809
>$1800 build
>buys a budget tier gpu

get a 1070 at the least and don't waste money on meme, unnecessary things like a bunch of extra fans.

>>60930960
>6600k
It's shit

>>60930960

I recommend https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/horsejumper/saved/h3qt6h

>>60929984
>I wanna get 2666MHz or 3000MHz RAM for the build, but am I gonna get rekt with lack of support or something?
How reliably you can overclock the RAM varies(samsung b-dies seem to be the best for Ryzen), but as long as you get a kit that's listed as supported you should be fine. Worst case, the RAM might not run at advertised speeds, but you can still overclock it some.

>>60930983
That's even worse, he should aim for an R5 1600. 4 cores CPUs are fucking meh and he obviously isn't looking to get a meh build.

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>>60930016
>RX 580
>New is 600 and used 400 thanks to the cryptominers.
With 600 bucks I can buy a GTX 1080 that destroys the RX 580.

>>60931004
He could definitely go with an R5 1600, however; I suggested the next CPU up from the one he had selected.

Here's a build using an R5 1600 https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/horsejumper/saved/7C3P6h

>>60930842
right, it shouldn't? especially with a noctua cooler? i haven't even overclocked the cpu. i will try to re-seat everything. it's reaching higher temps than even the gpu. witcher 3 seems to completely slay the cpu.

>>60931044
Witcher 3 is a pretty CPU heavy game in the cities so that's pretty normal that it's putting a big load on it, but it shouldn't get anywhere close to 75°C

>>60931044
Yeah. You did apply thermal paste, right?

>>60930828
CPU TDP + GPU TDP + 100-150W is a pretty good approximation. Or just use a PSU calculator.

>>60931064
yes definitely.. maybe too much or too little this time though. i usually do a little dot and it has always been fine in my previous builds. the cpu is 30c at idle by the way with the fan at 300 rpm and inaudible. only when gaming it goes crazy.

>>60930983
the evga 600b is shit. just read the pro reviews about it. even a corsair cx series is better.

i bought an antec 620w HCG fully modular psu for like £55 a couple years back and it's way better than that evga garbage for cheaper

>>60930949
Backblaze is a pretty terrible source, though.

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>>60930949
>retard sees one pretty chart from backblaze, automatically accepts it as holy truth and now considers himself an expert on the matter without doing any research.
nice meme picture you fucking autist

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6028/dispelling-backblaze-s-hdd-reliability-myth-the-real-story-covered/index.html
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/17/backblaze_how_not_to_evaluate_disk_reliability/
for normal customer their shitty study doesn't mean shit. so Toshiba/Seagate/WD are still as good. If Hitachi (btw. they're owned by WD) is so fucking great then why nobody buys them?

btw your shitty site actually said that WD has a longer lifetime than Hitachi.

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>>60931118
>>60931131
>>60931135
>let me click post on all of my incognito tabs at once

>>60931112
oh also, this only happens at 4k, 1440p and lower the cpu doesn't go crazy hot

>>60930716
If you need more cores at lower clocks or want to make a $700+ custom water cooling loop, then sure, wait.
If all you need is 4-12 cores at higher clocks in the near future, then stick with AM4.

>>60930960
>spending 375euro on a loud mITX 1070 just to be bottlenecked by 4c/4t
>garbage little AIO that's worse than an air cooler and louder
>pissant little SSD that can barely fit more than an OS
>wasting a PCI slot on wifi instead of on board
>huge case for mATX
I like nothing about this except the PSU. And the Monitor isn't bad.

>>60931145
Why are you such an insufferable cunt, horsejumper? Everytime people disagree with you all you can say is "s-s-samefag" and greentext without giving even the slightest bit of answer to the arguments presented to you
i don't know why you're staying in this thread.

>>60931145
>everyone who disagrees with me is one person
Fuck off, faggot.

>>60931118
Yeah. Maybe.
EVGA's midrange and high end are fine.
Cosair high end are fine.
EVGA bottom end, and Corsair low and mid range, are garbage.

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>>60931174
>>60931196
drama

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>>60931210
epic argumentation, friend

>>60930887
I would've thought you could get the 1800 to go higher than 4GHz easily and make it even better, but alright. Also switched out the Noctua for a 212x Dual fan.
I kinda want the best motherboard you can get, so I went with what somebody said in a previous thread.
Also switched to a Toshiba. Price dropped a few hundred already.
>>60930888
>>60930970
DESU, I just put that GPU there to guage how much of a PSU I would need. I'm gonna wait on getting a video card for the moment anyways since I got a recent one for my current computer and it's still relatively new. Will probably grab a 1080ti eventually.
PSU is something I just threw in there because I wanted a decent PSU to throw in there. I'm all ears for a good bronze PSU suggestion.
As for the case, I wanted a full featured one with dust filters and plenty of room. I'm all for a full featured case that's about a mid-tower, but I haven't found one. Any suggestions would be welcome.
Also it can get pretty fucking hot where I live, so I wanted fans for that.
As well, the weather is unpredictable and can make my power go out if the wind so much as farts in the wrong direction, so I wanted a little something like a UPS for that. I heard the power going out can potentially damage SSDs and I want to protect mine if possible, so that's what that's there for.

best case fans for as silent as possible? still Noctua? need to get 3 14cm fans, the two stock ones that came with case are pretty loud

>>60931145
>hurr durr i don't have any arguments so i'll just shitpost
pathetic

>>60931238
a 1800x never goes above 4.1GHz, process & architecture limitation i guess
It hits a voltage wall

>>60931249
Noctua or be quiet! are very popular because of their effectiveness and silence.

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this is my little bro's shitty pc

i'm getting a new gpu so i'll give him my old radeon 5770

i've heard pci 1.0 isn't compatible with the 2.1 which this card runs, what do

>>60931238
>I heard the power going out can potentially damage SSDs
the chances of something like this happening are astronomically low. you don't need an UPS

>>60931303
The PCI-E 1.0 and PCI-E 2.1 will work on each other sockets. However; a 2.1 working on a 1.0 socket will run at 1.0 speeds.

The HD 5770 will work fine.

>>60931199
you can get antec and seasonic psu's for around the same price which are ten times more reliable.

honestly, people skimp on their psu's and it can bite back hard later on down the line.

>>60931273
Really now.
That's weird.
>>60931316
True, but with how my power likes to go out (lights flicker on and off and on and off repeatedly until it passes or the lights go out completely), it's a little worrying.

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>>60928345
new build done in under an hour, thinking about getting a 1440p monitor next and then finally a used R9 Fury X or 980ti

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Thoughts on the build? Trying to do 1440p 144hz gaming.
Mobo might be overkill but like the uefi and sound.

Rank GPU maker brands (EVGA, Zotac, etc) from best to worst for me, please

>>60931443
Don't trust brands, read reviews instead.

>>60931439
My recommended build for that price point
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/horsejumper/saved/7C3P6h

>>60931439
i can tell you right now, that motherboard could cure AIDS and it wouldn't be worth what you're paying for it. I'd try to find a much cheaper alternative and upgrade the SSD with what you're saving

Rate and hate

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9CTV9W

>>60931597
Just about as budget as you can go. It's a good build.

>>60931439
paying more for mobo than cpu is just retarded. you could get a 1080ti instead.
also you know that hitachi hdd from amazon is refurbished you retard? either pick something else from toshiba/wd/seagate or make absolutely sure you're buying new. don't trust backblaze and horsefucker - other brands are just as good.

>>60931597
unless you're on a REALLY tight budget:
up your memory to 2400mhz since b250 support it.
pick b250 mobo with 4 ram slots for easier ugprading.

>>60931439
By downgrading the motherboard to a much more reasonable b350 you might be able to up to a 1080ti which would be much better for the intended resolution & refresh rate.

is windows 10 system recoivery backup good enough or should i use some 3rd-party sw fpr muh backup

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BdcjD8
Is this a good build for 1440p?.

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Here's my list - trying to go for a gaming build without spending too much.
I'm planning on upgrading the CPU to an i5 or something once I've got some more money

>>60931741
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/8hZvtJ
forgot to post it

>>60931732
1070 owner here. yes. it's very capable of 1440p at nice ~high settings.

>>60931732
Yes. 1070 is a good 1440p/60fps card.
I don't know if you need that many case fans though, unless you're gonna replace the two case fans that come with your case. I have a 1070 with two case fans and I get great thermals (I run 1080p/144hz and don't play super intensive games, so your needs may vary but I'm sure you don't need five case fans regardless)

>>60931478
1070s are so expensive why not pay a little extra for 1080?

>>60931741
I normally wouldn't advice purchsing an i5. However; if this is an upgrade in the next year or so, and you can't do it now; I think that's a fair decision.

Just consider that there probably won't be any more CPUs made for that socket here in the very near future.

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>>60931858
Just thinking about him being forced to shell $200 to buy a 7600k in a few years as nothing new will be on LGA 1151 makes me sad

>>60931834
I was planning on replacing the case fans that came with it.

How are PNY SSDs?

Why does everyone recommend 1600x over 7600k? If its just for gaming 7600k performance is better isn't it?

>>60931845
"A little extra" in the case of a 1070 to a 1080 is 100-150 dollars extra, which is around the same price jump from a 1060 to a 1070.
Also, the 1070 is constantly labled a good "sweet spot" card because it has a better performance to price ratio than the 1080. This doesn't mean the 1080 is bad of course, just that the 1070 tends to be a better deal for builds with a slightly lower budget.
If you can find a 1080 for not that much extra compared to a 1070, totally go for it. Hell, if you just have extra money to spare, go for a 1080.

>>60931914
7600k gets shitty minimum framerates in many games and even when it's better the 1600x delivers acceptable framerares. There's pretty much no case where it's strictly better and lots where it's strictly worse. Having only 4 cores without SMT really holds it back.

>>60930631
Awesome noted. Taking recs on swapping the gpu to something that fits better on the cheap.

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>>60931858
>>60931870
Bit new to how sockets work, if I get the Pentium I'm stuck with 1151 right?
Do I really have any other options for a budget CPU on a decent mobo with a different socket?

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My recommended build for that price point
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/horsefucker/saved/2T4zyc

>>60931891
I have a 240GB PNY SSD (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7v38TW/), it's served me well especially as a boot device (My monitor takes like five times longer than my computer to turn on, lol). Hasn't borked on me yet despite being very inexpensive.
I got it for a really good deal around Christmas, something crazy like sixty bucks, but they seem to be more expensive now. Still a very good deal, with many good reviews, I'd recommend it

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>>60932014
good one, anon

>>60929682
Whatever the hardware is gonna be the same shit isn't it?

>>60932004
>Bit new to how sockets work, if I get the Pentium I'm stuck with 1151 right?
Until you get a new MOBO, that's right.
>Do I really have any other options for a budget CPU on a decent mobo with a different socket?
Since low-end Zen isn't out yet and 9000-series APUs aren't being sold directly to consumers, none that offer a good upgrade path. I think Ryzen 3 is supposed to come out in July? Those(as well as new APUs) will be for AM4 and shouldn't be much more expensive than the pentium.

>>60932014
so bad... you didn't even include Hitachi HDD, since you know they are just The Best™

>>60932004
1151 is nearing the end of it's lifecycle
wait a few more months for huge price drops

rate my build

https://youtu.be/LFtC-9fLFEk

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>>60931439
Shit on my build pt.2
Swapped the hitachi so no one yells at me this time
Should I care about onboard sound at all or are they all pretty much the same?

>>60932135
how many months?
I'm expecting six months before I get a court settlement and buy a cheap-o pentium build

>>60932183
Sound problems with motherboards really aren't much of a problem, you don't really need ULTRA HD FAST MUSICIAN AUDIO(tm).

Otherwise, looks fine to me, I'm sure other anons will find something to yell about

>>60932183
Onboard sound is fine until you get some actual good headphones. Even then you're better off getting an external DAC than a mobo with a better chip or an internal sound card.

>>60931914
- ryzen suffers less performance impact when multitasking, even if it's only shit like chrome and discord (source:)
- am4 will be supported till 2020, while lga 1151 is dead
- more future-proof due to having more cores/threads
- r5 1600 comes with actual decent stock cooler unlike intel's garbage
- it's soldered
- uses less power/generates less heat
- it outperforms i5 in newer games and at worst matches it in older ones
- optimization patches make it perform even better in games (see: ROTR, AOTS)
- the price of cpu/mobo is cheaper, especially with r5 1600 where you don't really need an aftermarket cooler

7600k only performs better in single-threaded (i.e older or bad optimized) games due to higher frequency after OC (4.5GHz+), though to hit that you need a good ~40+ cooler and it still have worse minimum framerates and crazy temp spikes

i5s are considered dead for a reason

>>60932264
>ryzen suffers less performance impact when multitasking
Except most people don't use more than four threads, even when gaming
>while lga 1151 is dead
LGA1151 lives on with the 1151v2, moron. You can carry over your RAM and SSDs for easy migration
>more future-proof due to having more cores/threads
>implying having more threads is futureproofing at all

>r5 1600 comes with actual decent stock cooler unlike intel's garbage
No one uses a stock cooler with their AMD builds because the 82mm fan is loud as all fuck and the heatsink itself is a shitty piece of aluminum
>it's soldered
Solder cracks over time, TIM doesn't
>uses less power/generates less heat
No it doesn't. The 1600 uses more power at idle and load than the Core i5s or i3s.
Even with Intel's garbage stock cooler, the i5 still comes in at the same temperatures as the 1600 with a slightly better cooler
> it outperforms i5 in newer games and at worst matches it in older ones
According to very cherrypicked benchmarks

>>60931608
Thanks anon
>>60931643
Alright, cool.

I don't like the case I have picked out. Any recommendations

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>>60932368
>Solder cracks over time
But why would Intel use it on every single one of their xeon and their old HEDT lineups then?

>>60932368
>Except most people don't use more than four threads, even when gaming
Gaming constantly uses more than four threads, only a very few games do not. Get a 8 cores CPU, start afterburner to monitor CPU usage and start any game and you'll realise you're just spouting bullshit that you heard from someone else

Is the 1600 the 2500k of our time?

>>60932368
Games started using more than four cores a while ago anon.

>>60932368
>>implying having more threads is futureproofing at all
Dunno man, old 6 cores i7 (say 3xxx) are holding up insanely better than old 4 cores i5 & i7. I wonder why?

>because the 82mm fan is loud as fuck
Now you're straight up lying anon and that's not nice. The fan is very, very quiet and at 100% it reaches a surprisingly low noise level for being at it's max speed. You'd know if if you had one in hand, but you do not, you're just spouting assumptions.

>>60932368
>Except most people don't use more than four threads, even when gaming
New games use more four threads by themselves, let alone all the other things you might have open at the same time.
>LGA1151 lives on with the 1151v2, moron. You can carry over your RAM and SSDs for easy migration
Which is just a fancy way of saying that LAG1151v1 is dead
>No one uses a stock cooler with their AMD builds because the 82mm fan is loud as all fuck and the heatsink itself is a shitty piece of aluminum
You've clearly never looked at the benchmarks for the cooler. It's quieter than 212 EVO. Or are you saying that no-one uses that, either?
>No it doesn't. The 1600 uses more power at idle and load than the Core i5s or i3s.
Non-k i5, maybe. Compared to the 7600k it uses less power.
>According to very cherrypicked benchmarks
According to pretty much any benchmark you care to pick that also shows minimum framerates.

>>60932368
Holy fuck (You)'re stupid.

what's a cheap vt-d plus raid support atx motherboard on the cheap

>>60930960
i5 is shit. Get a Ryzen 5.

>>60931167
>1070 bottlenecked by 4c/4t
nope

>>60931380
I'm actually going to agree with you. My OS and about half my files got fucked up when my UPS crapped out on me.

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this is just fucking embarrassing at this point

>>60932264
>>60932368
>Except most people don't use more than four threads, even when gaming
sorry i forgot the source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1PjNtkFtHc even with normie shit like discord and twitch ryzen still suffers a smaller performance hit

>Solder cracks over time, TIM doesn't
surely all 2500k should be dead by n-- oh wait they are still fine after 6 years, most of them on heavy oc as well.

>No one uses a stock cooler with their AMD builds...
stop pulling shit out of your ass. most people use stock and it comfortably allows for 3.8GHz OC most of the time. if amd's stock cooler is bad then that makes intel's completely unusable.

>>60932411
IMO that'll be zen+.

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Should I move the top fan to the back? There are also two fans at the front. I put it on the top because heat rises up and the holes on the top don't have a dust filter. So I thought it would be better for the air to go out there. When I look at it I think that fan could steal air from the front fans that were supposed to go to the cpu cooler. Also the air flow from the front through the cpu cooler to the back may makes more sense. Should I change it?

>>60932658
Yeah, put it as a back exhaust instead, pretty much all of your concern are justified and the fact that heat rises isn't going to change anything in there

>>60932813
Thanks. I will do that.

When will I be able to buy an AMD card for a reasonable price? I've got a nice new freesync monitor sitting here doing nothing.

>>60930638
Please fuck off with the 1400 already. Anybody building a brand new system right now should be looking at the 1600 (or the Pentium G4560 if they're super destitute but need a desktop). I don't even agree with the 1500x rec in the OP with it priced so close to the 1600.

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About to pull the trigger on this one:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L4HsQV

I don't plan on ever doing any overclocking/crossfire. I plan to run most of the case fans directly via molex

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>$260 Xbox 360 with double the system memory and a gig of dedicated graphics

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3WHsQV

>>60932924
>>60932924
Anyone know if that PSU is any good? There is like only one single review on newegg but if there's a better one in that performance range i'd be willing to spend 5-10 bucks more on it

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>>60933030
That shit wouldn't run a single game that the Xbox 360 can. At that point just get a 360.

>>60932924
>>60933034
I think you might like this PSU better:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qYTrxr/evga-power-supply-220g20550y1
50W more power, more reliable, better efficiency and around the same price

>>60933055
yeah you right

>>60933030
>pull the trigger
Where are you gonna buy that 470 anon

>>60933159
fuck meant
>>60932924

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$1,000 computer from 2007 built with recent parts
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3FzjD8

>>60932874
Maybe Vega.

>>60933187
actually pretty damn fair for not even being $200

>>60933194
How so? If trend doesn't change they will be swiped up for mining as well

>>60933230
Vega won't be profitable for mining.

>>60933243
What makes you say that?

>>60933331
Vega is mid-high end.

>>60933438
So? Higher upfront cost, but also quicker mining.

Not like mining tards even consider upfront cost when they're paying $500 for an RX 580.

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Would an FX-8350 bottleneck a GTX 1080 Ti?

>>60933763
massively so

>>60933763
>would a Ferrari with a Fiat Panda engine be just as fast?

>>60931914
7600k is better in older games if you use your PC as a game console and nothing else.
But in many newer games, things can be very stuttery without more than 4 threads. Especially so if you have things running in the background.
For a long time, up until 2013 mostly, games mostly just used 1-3 threads. But as things became more demanding they started needing 4 as a minimum and were often optimized for 8, and now days are mostly optimized for 7-8(console ports). What do you think happens when the game needs all 4 and something else on your computer needs to utilize some CPU?

>>60931977
A RX470/570, if you can get one, is ideal.
The G4560 will bottleneck it in some games, but it's generally fine.
A 1050Ti or RX560 is better matched with the G4560, but they're only worth getting if you can get them for <$115 and <$100 respectively. Their MSRP are too high for what you get when the RX570 is like 60% faster for only like 25% higher MSRP of the 1050Ti.
Also because I'd generally recommend an imbalance of the CPU or GPU, so you can get a big uplift by upgrading one thing in the future instead of both.

>>60932368
The stock wraith cooler are quiet as fuck. You're a lying shill.

>>60933331
>>60933720
The R9 Fury only does about 30MH/s with ETH.
Compared to 29MH/s on the RX580s and 32MH/s on 1070s.
You know what the 1080 does? 30MH/s.

ETH's algo is memory intensive. Especially memory timings. It just hits memory over and over and over more than anything.
It is expected that HBM2 will be worse than GDDR5 for mining... but who knows. I heard it's lower latency. If Vega winds up being 45+MH/s somehow, they will never be in stock for months. But I'm really expecting it to be maybe around 30-35. Maybe there's some other currency it'll mine well but it's mostly only ETH, LBY, ZEC, and UBQ which are profitable, in that order.

>>60933763
That will bottleneck even an RX570 or 1060 6GB in some games... funny enough it'll do better in newer games like For Honor and shit that are actually optimized for 7-8 threads.

But Idk I have a friend that games on a 8350 and GTX 980. 60-90fps usually. Though I think it'd be higher with something else.
What is your current GPU? It sounds to me like you should upgrade your CPU and SSD instead of spending $700 on a GPU that you can't support and not using a CPU that's higher power draw than your GPU.
I have a 7970 that the last year or two was beginning to think was just not strong enough for newer games.
But nope.
Swapped my i5-2500k for a 1600X and in some cases got a 50% FPS increase and maximum reduction in stuttering even on games that only primarily use 3 or less threads.

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Ryzen is a meme, but I don't want to give money to Intel Aviv

what do I do?

>>60934123
Not trust synthetics for a start
How is Ryzen a meme?

>>60934123
Get an FX-9590 and OC it with a custom loop.

>>60934152
madman

>>60934123
VIA.
And stop using cpubenchmark.com or any uncited synthetics (ie aida64 good, geekbench bad, in case your dumb monkey brain doesn't understand what that means) you stupid faggot

>>60934123
>ryzen
>meme
t. /r/buildapc

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>>60933763
1063 is already too much for it.

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Kjddcc

I'm just doing an upgrade to an older intel system (i5-2400) with a 970 so I already have HDD, power supply and all that junk. Is this acceptable or should I just scrap the 1600x and get a 1500x instead and settle for fewer cores?

>>60934268
What does the blue, red, and gray means?

>>60928915
1080p60hz Mid Settings = 1050ti / RX 560
1080p60hz Max/High (Ultra is a meme) = RX 570 / 1060 3GB
1440p60Hz / 1080p144hz = RX 580 8GB / 1060 6GB
1440p75Hz / 4K60Hz (mid settings) = GTX 1070 / GTX 1080
4k/60Hz / 1440p144hz = 1080ti

>>60929681
That mobo is shit, get the ASRock AB350M Pro4, best mATX mobo out there.
Get Ryzen 5 1600, comes with a pretty decent stock cooler (You can OC up to 3.9/4.0Ghz) for only $20 more, and you get 50% more cores and threads.
RAM is okay since you are on a budget, maybe get 2400hz which is the sweet spot for a mid-low end build.
120GB SSDs are slower and last less than the bigger ones, I would say just get the 1TB HDD instead and buy a 240GB SSD when you have the money (or just buy it instead of the 120GB, Samsung EVO 850 and PNY are both good)
RX 480 is impossible to get, change it to a 1060 6GB.

>>60934430
If it's saving you're aiming to do then you can settle for a 1600, it overclocks nearly as well and the performance difference when both are overclocked is minimal

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I live in a third world country ( Bosnia) and wanted to buy a GPU since 15-20 days ago( currently on a 270X thats massively overclocked). There were plenty of 480's and 470's in stock and today i check NOT A SINGLE MOTHERFUCKING CARD LEFT. 480's were going for 220-230 euros new and now there are only 3 used ones left priced at 350,400 and 450 euros. I fucking want to kill myself. Same shit with RX 470, not a single one on market. Today i read that ethereum has dropped 25%. My only option is a motherfucking GTX 1060 3GB which i dont want because its inferior to a 480/470 in every aspect. When will the nigger currency crash and put them into debt, i just want a fucking GPU . So is

>GTX 1060 3GB
>8GB DDR3
>i3 4170 (next year i'll be getting an i5 4460)

sufficient enough to get 120 FPS on my pathetic 1280x1024 resolution? Wont be going to 1080p anytime soon. I play Rainbow 6 Siege , Overwatch and looking forward to Forza 7 and Far Cry 5. (i currently get about 100 fps average on overwatch and rainbow 6,medium settings tho)

>>60934599
so is the 1600X just tuned up out of the box when they're functionally the same chip?

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I'm looking for a 4k 10-bit monitor, I found the LG 27UD68-P but in the color depth spec says this:

Color Depth(Number of Colors) 10bit(8bit + A-FRC)

Is real 10-bit or not?

>>60931000
I'm running a Mushking 2x8GB 2666Mhz RAM on the ASRock AB350M Pro4 and had no problems so far, just selected XMP profile on the BIOS and it automatically set to 2666Mhz (also this RAM doesn't show up in the supported list anywhere if that helps)

Am I gonna get bottleneck with r5 1600 and 1080ti ?

>Want a pc right now
>No 580 anywhere that isn't going to be sold for the same price range as a 1070
>Settling for a 1060 would make me regret my build
>1070's are starting to disappear
>Don't want to pay an arm and a leg for GSYNC anyway

Kill yourselves cryptofucks.

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Hi, I want a Ryzen ITX build in a Prodigy.
Did not choose a power supply yet.
Am I missing anything else?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kL7gjc

Entertainment system to play vidya, stream, and play movies.
>Budget
$1200

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>>60934741
>made a bot
>now my machines are making $120 daily from mining
>also earning at least $50 each from 580 sales because credit breaker can't handle more gpus
>the entire house is inhabitable

>>60934476
grey is MIN, blue/red is AVG + CPU Team color.

Trying to find the cheapest multi-core CPU with AVX2

6th or 7th generation at least

is celeron/Pentium a meme?

>>60934763
get a better gpu and dont get a biostar mobo

>>60935003
AVX2 is a meme

can I overclock my ram (vengeance 3000mhz CL15) or those fuckers are so heavily binned I won't push more than extra 100mhz

Do some people not OC because paranoid of breaking HW? its easy as fuck just booting into the BIOS and changing a few numbers.

>>60934763
AsRock and Gigabyte will soon release their ITX MoBos. they were revealed at computex. so i recommend waiting out.

>>60935094
>dont get a biostar mobo
why

how much does ram speed matter? can i just get the lowest ddr4 ram of 2133? prices have skyrocketd since last yr.

>>60935115
it's a meme I particularly need to fall for but it seems like only i3's have it

>>60935132
you also need to have time to run stability test
personally I overclocked my GPU because with afterburned that's childs play, and undervolted my 7700K because housefire and I'm mostly bottlenecked by GPU/RAM anyways

>>60935132
Most people don't care and its not worth their time to fine-tune the clockrates for possible instability.

>>60935156
For what? Gaming should be fine at those speeds. If you are Ryzen though, higher speeds definitely give better performance.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812162026

Got a new mobo but my existing top case fans have too short of cords to get to the chassis headers. Anyone have experience with splitter cables?

what is itx, atx and mini variants mean

>pirate Windows 7, install it on HDD
>use the free accessibility update to Win 10, activate it
>clean install Windows 10 on SSD, activate it

will this work?

>>60935348
No, just buy a $5 license from ebay.

>>60935348
I didn't know the free upgrade offer was still available.

>>60935341
It's the form factor of your case. In terms of size:
ATX > MicroATX > Mini ITX.
ATX is your normal desktop size, MicroATX is smaller, Mini ITX are usually used by size enthusiasts or as home media centers.

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Is 700 bucks reasonable for my first gaming PC build?

>>60935380
no
die poorfag

>>60935380
You can get a pretty decent PC nowadays even with a limited budget, do you have specs lined up?

>>60935390
how about $1200

>>60934828
Probably could get by without the H7, Wraith Spire is already nice. May not need the case fans either.

>>60935380
my last one rolled in at under 500 bucks, no case, no monitor(already had one), stock cooler
1080 at 30-higher-40s

>>60935447
The case already comes with 2 fans just thought to be safe, all in all does this look good?

Alright, round 2

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g2BYKZ

Trimmed stuff back a bit.

>>60932620
That's exactly why I was thinking of getting one.
If not when I build it, eventually.

>>60935399
That'll get a nice 1600 and 1060/1070 build which can handle high settings on most games.
People post similar builds all the time.

how do people install their shit into cardboard boxes
also why

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GPU pairing recommendations for the 980x? Res is 1920x1080 60hz

>>60935475
Yes, just built almost the exact same thing, very comfy.
I'm use the Wraith Spire and the 2 stock Corsair case fans and my temps are solid.

>>60935594
Sweet, so keep the CPU cooler or no. Heard from some people that it may not be needed.

>>60935513
Can't say I know much about first generation core i series however i wouldn't go beyond a used high end 700 series gtx or amd equivalent. Maybe a 1050 or 1050ti or RX 470/570, you'd have to look up benchmarks with that CPU/GPU combo if they exist.

Heres one that came up with a quick search;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z72s6gqZGU

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XBYtFd
Can someone recommend a case for this? Also is the mobo alright?


>>60934850
How do you do that senpai

Is there any way to get an AM3+ Board with a PCI express 3.0????


Fuck AM4 is dumb makes me get ryzen which is so spendy

Why should I get a AMD Ryzen 5 1600 instead of a Intel Core i5-7600K for 30 more bucks?

>>60935840
Short answer:
No
Long answer:
No, buy ryzen if you're going amd

>>60935865
6cores/12threads vs 4cores

>>60935865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI
Monitor CPU usage & framerate

>>60935840
This is like, the most obscure reason to not want to build with AM3+. Just consider yourself lucky, AM3+ is a meme. PCI-E 2.0 vs 3.0 really isn't a huge deal anyway.

>>60935865
6 cores/12 threads versus 4 cores/4 threads.

>>60935865
Better in everything but gaming
In gaming, better minimum frames while 7600k will have better max/average.

Ryzen if you want to believe developers start using cores/multithreading more, which is both likely and unlikely, Intel if you want here and now and believe devs are lazy fucks

>>60935893
>98% cpu usage on battlefield 1
Wow I wanted to upgrade my cpu because the one i currently have kept doing that too...holy shit intel what are you doing

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>>60935927
>holy shit intel what are you doing
Getting challenged for the first time in over a decade.

>>60935887
I guess I don't care wether it is amd or intel just wanted around 800-900 build and I can't now because all good graphics are 3.0 ports


>>60935916
Is AM3+ not worth it then?
What do you recommend?

>>60935648
I'd try the stock at first and ditch the H7 for now.
You'll save some $$ and can always upgrade later if you need.

>>60935966
>Is AM3+ not worth it then?
AM3+ (meaning FX AMD CPU) were some of the most catastrophically unsuccessful CPUs in AMD's history, so, yeah I'd say it is not worth it in 2017 to be even looking at them. What are you even trying to do? If you're starting fresh then go with Ryzen or if you're super poor a G4560 if you absolutely must. AM3+ is garbage at this point.

>>60936000
Okay it's good to know my two go to people are both intel and I haven't followed updates for hardware for a long time.

Which ryzen do you recommend 5 or 7?

>>60935987
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F6mKD8
Good point, and with that this is what I got. Now for the final question, Which stuff get warranty and how much?

I finally got a grasp on how Intel's generation-lingo works but how the fuck does AMD work

I just want something with AVX2 and 2 or more cores

>>60936046
Still depends on what you're doing. If it's just general use and some gaming then you can get away with a Ryzen 5 1500X, but personally I'd go with the Ryzen 5 1600. 6 cores/12 threads and only about 40 USD more than the 1500X, which is only 4 cores/8 threads. Realistically both will be bound in performance by whatever graphics card you're using if you're talking about gaming but it's nice to have some headroom.

If you're heavy into encoding/game streaming or the like then you might want to check out Ryzen 7. Even still, the 1600 is quite capable there.

Should I go for an Asus or MSI motherboard?

Which specific model is the best for a mid range PC?

>>60936062
AMD just launched their newest platform 3 months ago and it isn't even finished rolling out at the low end right now. The cheapest AVX2 CPU they have on their AM4 motherboards at the moment is the Ryzen 5 1400. The Ryzen 3 series (budge oriented) is set to be released in a few months.

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>>60936062

so you're telling me, that Zen doesn't even do real AVX2 and that it's just regular AVX applied twice?

>>60936099
It is halved on Ryzen, yes.

>>60936076
Thank you for the honest advice.

Just plan on gaming and want a computer capable of being powerful enough to do most shit but I don't want a busted nuts $74836 rig

>>60936079
just needs your cpu socket and a pcie 16 lane 3.0
everything else is down to pref

>>60936113
>literally says that it takes double the cycles
>"it's halfed on ryzen"

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Cf98TW/gskill-memory-f43200c16d16gvkb

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qGqbt6/gskill-memory-f43200c16d16gvgb

What's the difference between these two?

>>60936062
>>60936099
>>60936098
>avx2
literal meme

>>60936160
Sorry, I guess I meant to say AVX2 performance is halved relative to intel per clock cycle due to the way the instruction set works on Ryzen.

I don't think anybody that needs high performance AVX2 should be looking at Ryzen though, whoever the fuck that might be.

>>60934612
it's a matter of personal preference but I think better to go with 1050Ti, or save some more money and get the 1060 6GB.

>>60936178
>>60936187

I'm doing heavy data-crunch work that involves avx2 and some cuda core stuff

NEW THREAD, move when needed

>>60936192
>>60936192
>>60936192

>>60936202
Then I'd avoid AMD unless you can verify that whatever you're doing works great on Ryzen. You're literally the first person that's ever asked about AVX2 that I can recall.

What CPU would you guys recommend for a build with a 1080 ti, it will be used mostly for gaming

>>60936267
If 144hz then 7700k is most likely what you should get
If not then anything over an R5 1600 would be a waste of money (for gaming)
What are you doing besides gaming?

>>60936274
What about for an ultrawide monitor? (3440x1440 60hz) And other than gaming i just use Ableton but I'm already able to use that perfectly on my 6 year old laptop so I think I'm good.

>>60936298
>(3440x1440 60hz)
Doesn't make any difference which CPU you have in there then, as you'll be well over your screen's refresh rate with your CPU and limited by your GPU well before the CPU matters

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>>60936312
thank u bb

>>60936076
So what about the 1600X is it that much better than the 1600?

>>60936390
No, it's just clocked higher & can be overclock a few MHz higher too but not enough to justify the price difference at all. The performance difference once both are overclocked is abysmal.

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If I build in multiple hdds/ssds on top of each other like pic related,
do I have to start thinking about cooling them off a bit?

Got my 1600 clocked to 3.9 with 33 degrees idle and 70 when stressed, this solid?

>>60931443
Asus > reference design
That's it

>>60936619
What voltage? Also yeah, those temps are fine.

>>60936714
1.36, trying to be cautious as this is my first experience with overclocking.

>>60935146
It's Biostar, the Tomato of Ryzen motherboards.
But I have no choice.