/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Reposting because I'm at a loss.
Every time I boot up my pc it goes straight to BIOS. Once I exit the bios everything runs fine. I've checked to make sure all my connections are secure, unplugged the keyboard to make sure it wasn't triggering the bios, and reset all the settings to default.
Anyone know how to fix this problem?

Motherboard is MSI b350 pc mate.

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stupid question,
if rx 470/480/570/580 are selling like crazy, why don't we see manufacturers pumping out more stocks?

>>60878327
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#down-manual

Download the manual.
Go to page 24. See the clear bios connector. Go to page 36 and read more about it. Make sure it is set to keep data.

I need a case that looks like an eva unit for an art project. Raidmax Ninja II looks like it fits well but needs to hold an eatx, I could probably clearance around the tray though. Any sug/g/estions m8s?

>>60878360
They are. But manufacturing limitation + winding down current cards to start production for Vega means the stocks are limited.

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Have an HP 8300 mini tower (not SFF). Has a 320 watt power supply.

I want to run a GTX 1060 using a sata-to-6pin converter.
It has an ivy bridge i5 pulling 77w max. The 1060 is 120w max.
It has 4x2gb ram, a 2tb hdd, and two case fans. I've disconnected the disc drive.

I know it's going to be close, but will this thing power the 1060, or will I wind up needing an auxiliary PSU? I can't upgrade the existing PSU because HP uses some proprietary bullshit.

anyone know the ETA for rx500 restock?

>>60878442
Get a PCIe slot powered 1050Ti. Better than risking a power fault

>>60878497
Was thinking about exactly that, but the performance benefits of the 1060 are too tempting. I was thinking worst case scenario I get an Add2Psu adapter and wire up a second power supply

>>60878442
get a cheap psu and put it outside of the case. Or is the 24 pin connector pinned different. If you undervolt the 1060 and limit PL to 90% you might be okay on what you have.

>>60878512
Eh, it's not really that much more powerful. Ideally you'd want the 1060, but turning down a few settings will get you pretty damn good performance with the 1050Ti with almost no visual fidelity loss

I have an RX470 4GB that I don't need. I got it for 175USD. Should I sell it now for 300-350 or start mining?

>>60878592
It's really that close? I wouldn't mind saving $80.

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>>60878603
Pic related, but if you know how to tweak settings it really isn't a big deal. Also if it's not good enough you can sell it and head to plan B later

>>60878600
Sell it. Mining is most likely not worth your time, and rumors are a new stock is coming in and now the time to gain profit is limited.

Does the Xbox One X have a GPU close to the Rx 580 or 570?
Plus do you guys think the Ryzen R3 lineup is gonna be great for those cards in big CPU tasking gayms?

I already own a R5 PC but I am just curious.

What do I do now that 580s are unavailable? 1060 6GB?

>>60878694
More like 1050ti or rx 460 equivalent

I have an old Power Supply, 5+ yo 700W. I want to upgrade my PC, but use old PSU. How can I check if its still in good condition and it won't fry any of my new rig?

Some anon told me that the gpu and the monitor will underperform and won't be able to reach 144hz because the cpu is slow and suggested me to go with i7 7700k, is it true guys?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FWjPWX

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Reminder not to buy 1070s for gaming as they drive up the miners prices.

>>60879324
That's absolutely stupid. That's a fucking 1080ti, the GPU is what matters in that build.

>>60879337
>currentyear - 1 + 1
>mining

are the premium (rgb/9gbps/triple fan) 1060s worth it?

>>60878694
it's closer to 1070, though probably it won't be used to its full potential

>>60879446
1060 is too low per to need triple fan, dude.

>>60878694
>Does the Xbox One X have a GPU close to the Rx 580 or 570?
Look up the tflops, jackass.

I'm getting an r5 1600 with 3200 ram, which gpu should I get for 1080p?

I need a gpu that will not bottleneck my r5 1600 @1080p, but also one that wont be bottlenecked by r5 1600. Am I looking at rx 580 or jevidia 1070?

>>60879745
RX570/580 but both will be sold out so either 1060 or 1070.

>>60879745
If you can find one, an RX 570 should do but don't pay over MSRP for them. Due to miners, RX570's and 580s are virtually impossible to get ahold of without paying 3 times the MSRP

>>60879750
>Implying 1070s aren't sold out

>>60879786
Sorry that you live in a 3rd world shithole, i can buy 1070's for a decent price.

>>60879750
>>60879753

I currently have sapphire r9 290 vapor-x. Wat do?

In the light of recent mining craze in eastern Europe what entry-to-middle level GPU would be a good choice (since 570/4 prices absurdly high) - GTX1050ti or 1060 with 3 gigs?

>>60879872
wait. Nothing else you can do. By the time they're in stock and not grossly overpriced, Vega will be here.

>>60879889
RX 580 is 280 euros in my country, but I dont think it's a worthy upgrade to a r9 290 or is it?

>>60879921
not by much. Wait for Vega. They announce it next month

>>60879921
No and 280€ is overpriced, should be more like 250€.

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>>60879378
Stay poor

>>60879821
In the USA, they're almost all sold out or $100 over MSRP.
Enjoy your 0.25 EUR energy costs, taxes, and stupid populous that keeps you from profiting as much off mining.

>>60879921
No, it's not. It's like 10% slower to 20% faster depending on game iirc. Only real benefit is perf/watt is a bit higher, and way higher if you undervolt slightly.
And for some dumb reason, AMD hasn't supported Radeon Chill on older cards. Maybe there is a legitimate technical reason for this, but I doubt it.

>>60880122
>100$ over msrp
>can't afford 0.25€/kwh
>needs to mine more before he even profits
>mining when bubble is about to burst
Topkek murritard. Enjoy your buyers remorse.

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is it time to upgrade

also, after ~30 minutes of the pc being on, the cpu cooler starts making a crackling noise from the heatsink?, what the fuck is happening [spoiler]it's a 212 evo[/spoiler]

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Don't tell me there is a shortage for 1060s now too. I ordered my 1060 two days ago when there were five in stock and today I got the notice that they are all sold out. It's the last part I need for my PC too. FUCKING MINERS.

Damn, you finally decided to come back and try to hijack the OP again?

>>60880438
yea, but this time, he isn't shilling Intel.

A Bentium B3258 :D:D:DDDD ebin! :-------D (probably from eBay)
Some LGA1150 from eBay or something
An RX 570 4GB
A new SSD
Probably a 3TB hard drive
Some random case
On PCPP I put on the parametric filter for a 4-5star 80plus gold semi modular psu

I choose the G3258 over the G4560 because of that extra single threaded performance plus it's probably cheaper.

>Inb4 >>>/v/

>>60880480
That's not what's wrong with it.

>>60880484
>A Bentium B3258 :D:D:DDDD ebin! :-------D (probably from eBay)
>Some LGA1150 from eBay or something
ill sell you a g3258, an asus z97-ar with 12gb of ddr3-1600 if you want it. cpu cooler as well.

>>60880498
Fug really? I'm kinda poor rn, looking to get a job but I would really love to make that deal

>>60880493
yes, he eliminated all the info the OP is supposed to have. he copy-pasted the OP he used when he was shilling Intel.

speccy says my ram is of an unknown model @ 1067MHz when it's actually this one:
http://www.corsair.com/en-eu/vengeance-lpx-8gb-2x4gb-ddr4-dram-2133mhz-c13-memory-kit-black-cmk8gx4m2a2133c13
which also runs at 2133MHz, why the fuck is this?
my motherboard is a Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. Z170-HD3-CF (U3E1) if that matters

>>60880498
Anon please reply

Is the Seasonic S12II any good for overclocking?

>>60880708
Multiply that number by 2 and what do you get?

>>60880708
DDR means double data rate.
1067 x 2 = 2133.
Your RAM is fine

>>60880738
>>60880747
phew, thanks
there should be no problem if I get two more identical ram sticks so I can have 16 gig ram, right?

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I am sucker for fixed seasonic PSUs being sold for cheap
after RMA is probably US term

in my current machine I have seasonic X 650 that I bought for 60€, gold modular,... at that time it was like 40% of the price of new one
it came in original box, with sealed cables and accessories, everything sparkling clean, great buy

That was like 6 years ago
now I am picking new GPU for someone and went to look in to "sales" section
behold, I see two gold rated seasonic PSUs, repaired, for ridiculously low price
I could not say no

took both of them, the message next day that 360W one was sold already
so today came 550W gold, no accessories, no original box, but what you gonna do...
its already humming in a different machine, but who the fuck cares when 40€

thats just some talk
if theres one thing worth buying "repaired" its high tier PSUs, humanity figured them out and its all about quality components and workmanship
Repair guy at seasonic will go through everything and fixes problems and you get probably PSU in more reliable state than brand new - unknown one. Though new has more decades in it I guess, as it never been run...

>>60880759
Check for compatibility. And buy the same frequency.

>>60880769
by identical ram sticks I mean like exactly the same model as the one I already have, that should be automatically compatible right, my motherboard has four slots too

>pc won't boot no matter what I try
>build it outside of case
>boots ONCE with screwdriver
>now won't boot at all, psu and cooler fan start for about a second then stop

What's the deal here?

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Looking for an upgrade, but reading these threads it seems i should wait until the mining fad is over and ram drops in price right?

>> had already ordered an i5-7600k + Mobo
>> without doing much research
>> which I have to send back
>> because the seller jewed me
>> delaying the order "in stock" by a week
>> so I can´t get the Asus Cashback in Germany

>>60880790
Yes. It would be.

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>>60880794
change psu
if it wont boot and do many beeps through pc_speaker when nothing is connected but the cpu, even ram is out, then its dead mobo 99% of the time, or dead cpu 1% of the time

>>60880814

It's doubtful the mobo is dead when a second ago it booted just fine

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>>60880824
because something as complicated as mobo can only be alive or dead, right?
change psu, thats the first thing
psu and mobo are in charge of booting, if it wont boot you got some bullshit going on in one of them

you can check for leaking caps if its some old shit, but thats not really a thing in modern times
and also switch on the PC case can be faulty, but you are saying you are using screwdriver

>>60880837

Yeah the parts aren't even in the case, the mobos on the box it came in, and the psu's on the table

>>60879874
Any suggestions please?

>>60880872
>>60879874
the things you said based on your budget

>>60880872
The best bet right now is to get the 1050Ti if you need something right the fuck now. Then upgrade to something actually good when either miners stop raping RX stock prices, or when Vega releases.

just buy a prebuilt retard

>>60880906
>>60880872
actually recommending 1050ti is bit stupid IMO
but depends on local prices
the thing is that difference between 1050 and 1050ti is too small
while price can be often 50%
1050 or 1060 3GB would be better decision making

but again, depends on local prices, 1050 might be much more expensive and jump to 1050ti might be far less

Good Ryzen CPU to pair with GTX1080?

>>60880949
1600, 1600X or 1700

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what do you think?

>didnt shell out the extra 15 euro for express shipping
>have to wait a month for my parts from amazon

why am i such a fucking kike i could be playing right now
anyone that is ordering online always get the fastest shipping option available you will not regret it

Made this build for gaming, production (video editing, music prod.) https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BYgKVY not sure if I fucked up or not but if I didn't, which places would be the best for me to get these parts in Russia?
t. First-time builder

>>60881072
do you really that much power on a pc for music production?.what kind of music do you produce

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Alright /pcbg/ the past hour or so has been a rollercoster of emotion
I finally received my Noctua AM4 bracket for my NH-D15 that been sitting in my desk for a week now. So i put the computer to sleep and start unmounting the cooler. Bummer, it doesn't want to get out. I'm thinking it's because i didn't unscrew in an X shape the same way you screw it, so i screw it back and it was indeed why it wouldn't come off. one screw is still holding it as i remove it so as the cooler is held over the motherboard i unscrew the last screw and it comes out.
And then i notice something fairly strange: my socket is empty of CPU. I look under my cooler only to see my poor CPU glue'd onto the cooler by the thermal paste. The computer had been running for 10 hours beforehand, i guess i should've ran prime95 before removing it.
So i do the twist method and after some long seconds, it does come out. And then i notice something: fucking bent pins
So here i am with a CPU full of thermal paste, out of it's socket and with bent pins. I pain to remove the thermal paste (as i was trying to avoid bending any more pins) and after some long minutes i start attacking the unbending of pins. It takes a lot of time but i manage to get a fairly acceptable result, but it doesn't go in. So i spend more minutes unbending pins, making sure all of the pins are exactly orientated the same way. After some long time i can barely recognise the pins that were bent, and then as the CPU still doesn't want to go in the socket i notice that i forgot to unlock the CPU locking mechanism (that lever), and finally it goes in.
The Noctua guide is confusing as fuck though so i decided to put the D15 in there without any bracket or thermal paste (i can remove it just by lifting it up) and check some videos on youtube about how to do it, which is how i'm talking to you right now. It's fairly cool, sitting at 40°C idle which is pretty much teh same as what i had with the stock cooler.
I'm going at it now, see ya!

>>60881117
I haven't started yet, it's mostly techstep/neurofunk DnB that I'm going to be dabbling in though.
>do you really that much power on a pc for music production?
It's a multi-purpose PC, my friend, read >>60881072 again a bit more carefully.

>>60881138
yeah i know video production needs a really strong pc but i was asking if music production can do with a weaker pc in comparison

like dont soundcloud "rappers" work on their shitty 400 euro laptops?

>>60880363
check your temps
clean that shit

>>60881152
I understand that I can go with some Chinkpad or some shit like that but as I've said, multi-purpose, or can I get a laptop to do music prod. on along with a PC?

Looking to grab a HDD for my build.

Seagate 2tb 7200 RPM or WD black 2tb 7200 RPM?

>>60878374
Isn't doing this the same as resetting to default settings? My manual seems to indicate that.

Wow, it's so fucking shit, now those retarded miners have gone to buy the Nvidia cards too.

The prices of the GTX1070 are going up.

Is there anywhere to check for new AM4 motherboard releases?

>>60881816
That might just be the people that sold their AMD cards and went out and bought the next tier up Nvidia card.

>>60881852
most likely both at the same time

>>60881035
I always wanted to visit Australia!

should I sell my used for 2 months 580 8gb nitro+ for a 1080?

>>60881926
Yes.

>>60881926
definitly, or you could mine

Friend wants to buy a 1080 off me for 600$ AUD.
Is it worth selling it and replacing it with a 1080ti?

>>60881852
Can't be that many.

We know that some miners are buying over 20 cards each.

Alright builders, I've got an FX6300 overclocked to 4.4GHz. I'm planning on getting a 1060 6GB. The big question I have is, Will It Bottleneck?
I see a lot of "Yes" on the internet but thats never considering OC's on the CPU. Anyone have experience or knowledge on the way this combo would work for me with the OC'ed CPU?
Its worth noting I'm not opposed to upgrading my mobo/cpu/ram to a Ryzen 1600(x?) set, but it'll be several months before i can.

>>60882128
>Will It Bottleneck?
yes. Even overclocking won't help much just due to the low instructions per clock.
I would say start gathering parts to do the Ryzen swap, so it's not all at once. Hunt for deals if you can.

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Anyone know a good, cheap network adapter that has drivers for Windows 10?

>>60882342
Wired or wireless?
Usb or PCIex1 ?

Also, ALL of them have at basic drivers for win10 out of the gate.

>>60882342
I'm sure Windows 10 comes with generic drivers for pretty much everything.

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Rest of the parts (SSD, HDD, Case, PSU) are recycled from my old rig.
Located in Germany.
Unfortunately i really need Intel CPU, choose MSI for both Mobo and Graphic card to get 35€ Cashback
Space is a bit of a problem so I choose took ITX 1060 (can potentially fit up to 260mm )
Input on this setup please

Two friends of mine are planning on building a PC, after some research I came up with https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TRv4VY
Im stuck between the Asrock ab350 Pro4 and the Gigabyte ab350 gaming 3. I checked the qvl for both and used a website called rymem.vraith.com to check which RAM modules worked. Now my problem is that the gigabyte mobo's qvl shows it works with CMK64GX4M8B3200C16, but my question is if it would work with CMK16GX4M2B3200C16, which is basically the same but a 8GBx2 kit instead of an 8GBx8 kit. Stupid question, but I dont want to spend 125 dollars and find out the kits dont work. Almost the same question with the asrock board, except that I got the info off of that website I found.

tl;dr Would that ram kit work with a gigabyte ab350 gaming 3 or should I go with an asrock pro4 and trust that website I found?

>>60882387
>>60882389
PCI network adapter for wireless internet. Something like this https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Chh9TW/tp-link-wireless-network-card-tlwn881nd but idk if this is any good.

sadly ethernet isn't an option. I don't know what happened, but I was using a powerline and everything was good, but the speeds now down to 2 mbps, whereas it's 32 mbps on my laptop with wireless internet. Would a network card help with this?

>>60882434
why do you really need an intel CPU?

>>60882434
>>60882641
This, why you NEED an intel CPU?

>>60882466
nevermind, I fixed my powerline. it's okay now.

>>60882462
That Vengeance RAM will probably work. You can contact their support directly if need be

Build needs an SSD

>>60882434
It's ok, but why do you "really need Intel CPU"?

>>60882342
I have a PCI wireless card with a RealTek chip that works fine. My other PCI wireless card didn't work with Win10. My suggestion is just to go to a second hand computer shop and grab one

>>60882387
>>60882389
>ALL of them have at basic drivers for win10 out of the gate.
Nope. He's talking about a PCI card, not PCIe

>>60882128
>bottleneck
In some cases yes, others no. Mostly no. The games where you're going to see a bottleneck are likely the low budget 3D games, especially the ones that don't make it to consoles.

>>60881965
Don't know the AUD used prices. Unless you're at 4K, no.

>>60881926
Yeah, but not a 1080 unless you're at a high res

>>60881132
nice 1 m8

>>60881072
Unless you have 4K monitor, you're overpaying.
Don't need liquid cooler
Don't need 32GB RAM (16 is plenty)
Can drop to B350 mobo

>>60881035
Unused space/10

>>60880949
You probably don't need the 1080

>>60881939
>mine
how long would it go before it burns?

>>60882434
>I really need intel CPU
no you don´t
get the R5 1600

>>60882717
>That Vengeance RAM will probably work. You can contact their support directly if need be
Thanks a lot, anon.

>Build needs an SSD
Yeah, I forgot about that,

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>>60882253
>>60882717
My poor neurons.
Honestly though the input is good here. I'm gonna get the card and be ready for the possibility for the need to upgrade my pc, in case the 1060 gets cucked by my CPU/RAM.

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>higher clock speeds with higher IPC
>larger L2 cache
>more PCIe lanes
>twice the memory channels
>support for higher DDR4 XMP
>only $50 more
It looks like the R7 1800X is about to get dethroned by the i9-7900X
We should probably update the OP to reflect this

>>60882842
Only $50 more but still needs more expensive Mobo and delid. Also 1800X was never the better one, 1700 was the value pick.

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>>60882842
>>only $50 more
Much more expensive motherboard and no, it's not "only $50 more" at all for the CPU. Not even remotely. The 1800x is $470

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>>60882434
use this instead

I have currently a i7 2600 build, will a R5 1600x be worth upgrading to? Pc mainly used for gaming and virtualization

Guys, I'm thinking of getting 2 Asus mx279h 27" for about 160 each, just checking if you guys know of a better alternative or better price before I leap on them.

>>60883175
Yes, absolutely. Considering your virtualization it might be more worth to get a 1700 as 1600x + cooler is very often within a few dollars of the eight cores R7 1700.

>>60883175
it might, but I dont think much
if I were you I would stick it out for another year
see the intels answer
let the mobos and ram stabilizie
let the quirks settle

btw, I am on ryzen 1700 and its amazing running virtualbox network with windows server and two clients and testing your stuff like that... all those threads... but I went from 4 threads to 16...

>>60883209
>>60883215
Thanks

Whats the best pc case I could get for 40-50$, excluding atx towers because I need semi-portability.

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>>60882434
>>60882665
>>60882737


Have to use some exclusive software for university written by our retarded IT pajeets which runs like shit on AMD old and new alike

>>60882950
is ASRock AB350m Pro4 preferable to the Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3 which i found mentioned multiple times?
In general, I also read some stories about issues with certain CPU coolers and AM4 boards in addition to the ram problems which had me leaning towards Intel

I have a 250gb boot SSD and a 1tb storage HDD(mostly photos and shit). Should I buy another 250/500gb SSD to put my games and certain programs on?

>>60883429
>ITX
silverstone sugo SG13

>mATX
Fractal Design Core 1000

>>60883836
if 250GB one is not enough
if you enjoy quickness of ssd
if you got the budget for it
yes

What's a good laptop if I have around £600 to spend, and I'll use it mainly for programming but maybe the occasional game of CS or Civ V?
I also want something that doesn't look bad and isn't one of those tablets that dock into a keyboard.

>>60884088
check thinkpad 13
or thinkpad E570/E470 (15"/14")
or thinkpad E575/E475 (15"/14" but with AMD)

good build quality, great IPS display if you make sure you are getting FHD version, best keyboard,...

Whats the best cheap b350 mobo for overclocking ryzen 5 1500x to 3.9 ghz?

>>60884159
its 4 core, so you are fine with any really, as power draw is not that huge
but at the moment I think this one from asus is very good pick
ASUS PRIME B350-PLUS

based on Buildzoid youtube overview of B350 mobos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrxhf_xZWI

>>60884155
For £100 more I can get this though:
http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/-nx.gd6ek.009/version.asp

>>60884245
read reviews yourself
you get better gpu but you dont really need it from your description
you get more ram, more storage, but those things can be upgraded on thinkpad over time.. ram/ssd/hdd

you get far worse display and general build quality, keyboard, and reputation

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-E570-Core-i5-GTX-950M-Notebook-Review.195890.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Aspire-F15-F5-573G-53V1-Notebook-Review.167946.0.html

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is there some updated table for ryzen?
with all the models available?

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My old HDD is slowly dying. There are more than 3 TB of files on there and I have to move them somewhere else.
Are external HDDs any good? Or do I wait for SSDs to become cheaper?

>>60884456
Just get an external HDD and get that shit off of the old hard drive.

>>60884456
>Are external HDDs any good
They are exactly the same as internal desktop drives, just in a plastic housing with a cheap DC adapter and a USB-to-SATA controller. You can always shuck the drives out of their casing and stick them into your case if you feel like it (it will void your warranty, though). They tend to be much cheaper than their internal drive counterparts because "reasons"

>>60884456
why not get new internal HDD?

>>60884483
>>60884491
external HDDs are usually shitty slow 2,5"
they are considered of low reliability, far behind internals

>>60884611
>why not get new internal HDD?
I'm not a fan of the noise.
>external HDDs are usually shitty slow 2,5"
That's what I was afraid of.

>>60884638
>I'm not a fan of the noise.
get WD reds, they are very quiet

>>60884611
>external HDDs are usually shitty slow 2,5"
No they are not. Buy a desktop external drive and it's a 3.5" that's 100% identical to their internal counterparts. Toshiba even includes 7200rpm drives in their Canvio models.
If anything, avoid the "portable" exterrnal drives, because WD and some other companies put proprietary connectors on their drives to prevent people from putting them into their laptops.

>they are considered of low reliability, far behind internals
You literally have 0 clue what you're talking about.

>>60884657
>>they are considered of low reliability, far behind internals
>You literally have 0 clue what you're talking about.

go to any sysadmin and ask him how he feels about backups on external drivers
plus when faggot in here asks about portable HDD you know he will be eyed the chepest wd elements or some bullshit that dies inexplicably in 2,5 years

>>60884701
I've been using external drives for years and have never had one fail that wasn't caused by me being a careless buffoon. The main cause of failure for external drive is either physical trauma (which is why my external drives are never leave my desk and why I secure all the USB+DC cables to the desk) or poor quality power adapters (find nonshit DC power bricks and you won't have this problem, or better yet, don't plug them into the fucking wall socket without a surge protector or UPS). Even if the SATA controller fails, I never had an issue popping them out of their case and mounting them on a different USB-to-SATA adapter, as long as your format them properly out of the box and run stress tests on them to weed out the defective drives before you store data on them.

If you're really that paranoid about heat death, then put a spare case fan on their vent, or use one of those laptop coolers to mount several external drives on top of the fans.

Again, you can always extract the drives from their case and controller after stressing them and reformatting them. Put them inside your PC, your NAS, or a better third-party external enclosure.

>>60884456
Buy a regular 3,5" desktop drive, and a separate enclosure. Sure, it'll be sightly more expensive, but not only you get to choose the drive, you can later put it back into your desktop without losing warranty.

I have a WD red in a small metal enclosure with it's own power supply, it's running cool and silent.

>>60884793
I was also thinking about doing this. What enclose are you using?

>>60883604
It just that in recent years I feel like Asrock has had a better reputation than Gigabyte and this particular one has good reviews. What software is it btw?

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When will the madness end? Not only i can buy radeon i can't even buy gtx all of them are out of stock or went up in price by 15-20%. This is pure madness.Right when i wanted to change gpu.

I'm building a 1080p midrange gaming pc with a ryzen 1500x which I would like to pair with a gtx 1060.

I had my eyes on Gigabyte's 6gb windforce OC version, however, it has a lot of availability issues in Belgium. Another version that is available however, is the ASUS TURBO-GTX1060-6G. Will I notice any differences between the two for my listed purpose?

>>60880484
You are heavily bottle necking that gpu

Samsung announced a freesync2 hdr10 quantum dot 1ms 1440p 27" monitor. For $600. Not bad. Similar price to current monitors but way better quality. Glad I WAITED.

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Would it be a good idea to get myself a 16GB kit of RAM if I constantly find myself running out with 8GB and digging into swap memory? I have an ITX board so I can't just add another 8GB kit.

>>60880505
>>60880726
sorry, i was aslpee. if youre still here let me know.

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is there anything i could do better for my gayming build? could you guys recommend me a better looking case?
>pic related
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L8tnBP

>>60885279
not getting a 4 core 4 threads CPU for starters

>>60885279
Nah, this is fine. You could maybe even save some money on the CPU, if you only play videogames.

>>60885319
>i5 is fine

>>60885331
An i5 7600k is more than fine.

>>60885350
With R5s out, the 7600k is a bad choice, plain and simple.

>>60885350
If you can't get an R5 1600 for some reason, but otherwise it's shit.

>>60885279
Get a Ryzen 1600, I'm assuming you'll OC considering your choice of mobo.

Go for 8gb of ram instead since it's way more than enough currently and the price of DDR4 memory is at an all time high.

>>60885359
>>60885374
Ah, you got me there. I somehow forgot about Ryzen even though I own the 1700.

>>60885389
baka

Is the GTX 1060 3GB a fucking joke?

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>>60885377
anon... i dont even know what overclock is... this is my first build
also my actual pc is 5 years old

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>>60885279
>could you guys recommend me a better looking case?

>>60885428
yes
no buy

>>60885453
So the 6gb has 10% more processing power and twice the ram for $40 more. This is a no brainier yeah?

>>60885377
>Go for 8gb of ram instead since it's way more
than enough
>she wouldnt notice more than x centimeters
that what you tell yourself before you go to sleep ramlet

16gb make a difference providing stutter free expirience

>>60885468
It's more that the 3GB version is particularly shit because of the 3GB (not enough for quite the bunch of games even though the card is technically powerful enough to handle those at max settings)
Otherwise yes, GTX 1060 6GB / RX 580 8GB are pretty good buys.

>>60885428
Yes. 3GB of VRAM just isn't enough for a card of 1060 potential.

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>>60885480
>GTX 1060 6GB / RX 580 8GB
if you fine them in stock

>>60885436
If you're not going to overclock you chose an unnecessary "premium" chipset. Unless you want the specific mobo for connections or something else I'd suggest downgrading to a cheaper chipset, that is if you're planning to never bother with overclocking during the lifespan of the mobo, keep in mind that overclocking is relatively simple (and fun, but don't tell /g/).

>>60885448
Bitfenix cases, I love their aesthetics

>>60885279

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=nxt+tower&ignorear=0&N=-1&isNodeId=1

>>60885448
Thats ugly as shit

>>60885476
For gaming it doesn't, currently.

You could make the future proofing argument but it is far more likely that once you'll need to upgrade to 16GB it will be far cheaper to buy 8gigs now and 8gigs then than buying 16gigs now, keep in mind DDR4 is way overprice at this point in time.

>>60880103
So, who buys these to give you actual cash profits? I don't imagine banks to accept btc in exchange for dollar bills.

>>60885552
no game use more than 8gb true
but thats not the point

you will genuinly feel the difference between 8 and 16. Less frame dips less stutters. And generally more fluid operation especially as your system gets junked.Even new xbox has 12gb of ram. And i doesnt have many ram problems pc do.

>>60878277
gt 1030 or rx 550 for my 4k60 htpc? gonna sell the rx470 thats currently in it.

>>60880799
>ram drops in price right?
Maybe wait until next year. Samsung and micron are playing nice with eachother to pricefix since you can't not have RAM in your build.

>>60885586
People who want to make or receive payments in a way that is difficult to track(illegal shit, mostly) and people who think their value will continue to go up, mostly.

wich one is more powerful for gayming
>gtx 1070 8gb
>gtx 1080 4gb

>>60885781
My uneducated guess is that the 8gb would be better for gaming.

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Is the EVGA 500W 80 plus any good for a budget build ?

>>60885781
The hell? They make 8GB 1080s? Why? Fucking Novideo

>>60885781
Pretty sure there's no such thing as 1080 4gb, mate.

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>>60884906 posting

I found another available gtx 1060. I'm probably overpaying but I got really tired of trying to get a 570/580, being too late, jumping to a RX480 but being late again and now these 1060's are starting to get sold out as well.

Will my PSU be sufficient? Does somebody have some better mobo recommendations (preferably cheaper) with the same chipset and form factor?

>>60885796
yes
Can also handle some decent overclocks

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First I had to wait a month until my AM4 upgrade kit for my cooler arrived. Now I probably have to wait a month until the graphics card I want is in stock again. Meanwhile my 1600X is losing value fast and I could have saved at least 50Euros if I didn't order it with my cooler and waited instead.

>>60878638
Could anyone give me an idea for a 3DS MAX/Vray render rig- what processor, board and graphic card would you use?

>>60878277
Any of you poorfags looking for a monitor. This is a pretty legit deal.

https://slickdeals.net/f/10246196-23-dell-s2316h-1920x1080-ips-led-monitor-55-after-75-slickdeals-rebate-free-s-h?src=catpagev2

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What if I ran some HDDs in this enclosure and used a SATA to USB 3.0 adapter to connect them to my PC?

How slow would this shit be?

>>60885924
USB 2.0 cable or port? You're gonna get like 50MB/s read write at best, probably even worse.
3.0 shouldn't bottleneck though.

>>60885924
It wouldn't work well because you need SATA power cables in addition to the USB adapter cables. You might as well put that inside your case to keep the cables safe from accidents.
Apart from losing 1Gbps in bandwidth, there is a ~10% bandwidth reduction due to USB-to-SATA overhead conversion, so a 190MB/s drive will peak out at around 160-170MB/s.

Also, some of the most common direct SATA-USB adapter cables require an additional SATA power connector or MOLEX just to power them, so there's little point in doing so.

>>60882842
>comparing 10 core with 8 core

Is this a shit time to buy a new system, monitor GPU and cpu-wise?

My board has all 4 pin connectors, is there any reason not to get all pwm fans?

>didn't listen waitfags
>bought 7600k in March
How can I ease the pain?

>>60886005
Very interesting, thank you. What's your opinion on USB 3.0 enclosures?

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>>60886040

Do your best to hit 5ghz. If it helps that increases your odds of not surviving the housefire. Failing all that pic related.

Building my first computer, budget af but anything is better than what i currently have, is there a way to bring this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dTzzwV
Down by 200$?

>>60886025
It's a good time to buy CPUs thanks to the price drop on Ryzen (due to flagging sales in the desktop market) and Intel's X99 system (ironically also due to flagging sales, but from Ryzen's launch), but it's not a good time to buy any other components.
>GPU
The only sane option under $300 is the GTX 1060 since the RX 580 and 570 are being horded by the cryptocurrency miners
>memory
Price gouging due to a lack of NAND chips from all memory producers
>SSDs
See above
>motherboard
AM4 boards are returning to a steady supply again, but they're still priced too high compared to launch. LGA1151 boards are going to become obsolete next year (to make way for the LGA1151v2 socket), but they're at least dropping in price. LGA2011v3 is on a firesale right now to clear inventory for the upcoming LGA2066 boards, but the CPUs still costs far more than what they're worth.
>>60886062
>What's your opinion on USB 3.0 enclosures?
Be prepared to spend money on them or regret it a year later. A cheap $40 enclosure might seem like a good deal right now, but you'll have to throw it out a year later since the PCB and power components are made out of cheap parts.
Looks for a multi-bay enclosure with a fan on it, they normally have beefier parts to account for the additional drives.

>>60885832
>I'm probably overpaying
Yes you are. There are cheaper 1060's that are just as good. Take a look at EVGA SC and Palit (Super) JetStream cards.
>Will my PSU be sufficient?
Yes but Corsair CX is generally shit.
>2400 RAM
You want faster RAM. Ryzen wants fast RAM, cheaping out on it is not a good idea. See if you can find Corsair LPX (3000 CL15) or G.Skill Ripjaws V (3200 CL16) or similar.
>BitFenix Nova
Absolutely shit case but if you don't mind it.. Do get at least one additional case fan, i think i only comes with one.
What i've learned is that buying a cheap case, even if on budget, will bite you in the ass at some point. If your budget allowd for it, spend like 40-50€ on something better.
>No SSD
If you don't already have one, you want one, don't ask, just buy.

Also, consider if you really want to go with the 1500X. The 1600 is only 20€ more and gives you two additional cores.
If you only play muh gaymes and don't want to OC the 1500X will probably be better, but other than that the 1600 is the way to go.

>>60886099
Get rid of the sound card you retard

>>60886128
Done, anything else i can replace or get rid of?

>>60886099
>is there a way to bring this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dTzzwV
>Down by 200$?
Easy. Don't be a top goy and get Ryzen instead of Jewtel Kelvin Lake.

>>60886121
Thanks for the help.

I believe my current mobo only supports 2133mhz memory anyway, so any mobo suggestions?

I'm considering the 1600 if I could cheap out elsewhere in the build, I'm already exceeding my 900euro budget by 50euros. (including an 150euro monitor)

As for 1060's, it's an availability issue, believe it or not but this is the cheapest 6GB non-single fan 1060 I could find.

As for the bitfenix, I really like the looks of it, care to elaborate what part about it will bite me in the ass?

>>60886112

Thanks, my 970 just died and due to the crypto shit all the Radeons are bought out here. Even a CPU upgrade is looking bonkers as the new ones don't seem to be that great over my 4670k @ 4.4ghz for gaming

>>60886164
I...dont understand what you mean

>>60886099
Specific usage? Resolution & framerate wanted? Which games?

>>60886207
Gaming mostly with random 3d moddling and other stuff every once in a while

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>>60886112
>Be prepared to spend money on them or regret it a year later
These ones hover around 100 bucks and they're made for 4 HDDs. Do you think they might be worth it?

>>60886199
Wait until August. I hear that China might be clamping down on alternative currencies by then, which would effectively torpedo the cryptocurrency market. Expect to see a lot of used, cheap 580s flooding the market at half the price by September.

>>60886201

It means get ryzen, get a cheaper motherboard, pirate windows and ditch the sound card. I'd still prefer fast ram.

>>60886207
Preferably id like to be able to run something like battlefield or rainbow6seige

>>60886236
Read the reviews on those. I'm fairly certain all of them are rebranded and sold by other brands like Vantec and Startech, so check their reviews as well.
However, if they're RAID enclosures, make sure there is a physical switch on them that can enable or disable RAID/JBOD, since hardware RAID reliability on external enclosures suck shit through a straw. One tiny error can cause the entire array to become unusable and unrecoverable. Stick with the ones that lets you use each individual drives.

>>60886247
Suggestions for motherboard?

>>60886237

Thanks, might do just that. On the plus side using onboard graphics has limited to games that I never had time for, currently going through Dragon Age Origins

still no decebt ryzen mitx
fuck you amd
fuck you

I'd like to build an overly simplistic PC.
All I'll have to power is one mainboard (CPU+RAM) and one SSD.
I am not really knowledgeable about power supplying. Do I have to use a standard PSU? What options do I have? Literally all I need is probably 150W and two cables.

>>60886247
Which ryzen, they seem to be more expensive for the same results

>>60886323
Celeron J3455 motherboard
8GB DDR3L RAM
60W PicoPSU

>>60886214
>>60886272
Ditch the intel and get an R5 1500x if gaming is the only cpu intensive thing you'll do. You can ditch the aftermarket cooler since ryzen's stock cooler is surprisingly good.

You don't need a Z270 motherboard if you're not planning on using multiple GPUs, which you aren't. Get a B350 mobo and a ryzen 1600 is you're planning on overclocking or a A320 mobo with a ryzen 1500x if you're not.

You really only need 8GB of RAM atm and since DDR4 memory is at a historically high price futureproofing makes no sense. Best case scenario go 8GB 3200mhz since ryzen really benefits from ram speed.

ffs why would you need a soundcard?

Pirate windows 10.

Do you really need an optical drive?

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>Need a new PC because my current one is utter trash
>Getting 300$ soon, perfect
>Start checking out new things, all of this shit is so terribly expensive to do anything reasonable
All I want is to like play the new shit like overwatch, pubg, and like everspace. Last time I bought a prebuilt and it has no PSU or GPU slots at all, and the CPU is a unique shape and can't be placed into normal boards. If I try to build one from scratch every parts shipping bumps the price up considerably than what you think it is. And prebuilts have that chance to be fucking terrible like the one I have now. I don't know what to do

>>60886344
I dont know, i just tried to find the best option for each catagory and have been taking stuff off as ive learned

>>60886371
Scrapyard wars.

>>60886371
Buy a prebuilt AMD system that has an A6-9500 or A8-9600. They have AM4 sockets, which you can swap out for a 65W TDP Ryzen CPU later on. Their iGPU can play Overwatch at 720p just fine, plus they have A320 or B350 chipsets in them.

>>60886371
Drop a speccy screenshot and we could try to give some advice on what to upgrade for 300$

>>60886406
I was already going to yell at you because of that, then I searched and it's true

what the fuck, why didn't this show up anywhere else before?

>>60886391
It looks rather interesting to say the least, perhaps I will look into this video in a moment
>>60886406
Do you have any idea of where to look for one? I've heard a lot of people praise newegg for cheap stuff, because if so I can head over there and start looking
>>60886429
GPU is intergraded and so is the psu, the CPU is not good and like I said, a weird shape. The only thing I could get out of upgrading would be the RAM. And that's really cheap. I feel like just starting from scratch would be better, but fucking shipping messes everything up. I guess I'm asking if it's REALLY worth it to build from nothing or to get an upgradable prebuilt and work from there

>>60886429
I have no experience with prebuilts but heard their viability differs from country to country, so if you could tell us where you're based we could help you further.

Starting from scratch for 300$ is a little farfetched. You could build something starter for around 500-600$ assuming your keeping your peripherals.

>>60886522
Oh, I am in the US, and sorry. I will be keeping my basic mouse, keyboard and monitor. I usually forget about those, sorry. So not quite from scratch per say, just building the TOWER from the beginning. I might be able to get like 300-350, but beyond that I'm not going to be getting any usable money any time soon

>>60886214
>3D modelling & Gaming
6 cores R5 1600 all the way, 3D modelling benefits from more cores and it's always nice to have more cores available to run other software while gaming
It doesn't require a cooler

>>60886547
I'm European based so I can't help you further with prebuilds.

I'm assuming you're not keeping your case as well.

For 350$ you could build a simple browsing/media pc but I'm fairly sceptical about building anything in Overwatch range for that money.

You could try searching some builds over Google and/or Youtube addressing your specific problem (Though note that a lot of content on tech is sponsored and doesn't provide you with accurate information, so crossreference different sources a lot)

>>60886173
>I believe my current mobo only supports 2133mhz memory anyway
All do. Those higher mem speeds are OC/XMP. You will have to config it in BIOS but it's worth it, especially since AGESA BIOS is already in beta and should soon be official.
>I'm considering the 1600 if I could cheap out elsewhere in the build, I'm already exceeding my 900euro budget by 50euros. (including an 150euro monitor)
Not really. You could go mATX which would save some a few bucks and get the cheapest non shit 1060 available, but other than that, there's not much room without compromising quality.
Imho buy a used monitor for 100 off of Ebay, Amazon Marketplace or Ebay Kleinanzeigen if you're from Germany.
>care to elaborate what part about it will bite me in the ass?
Build quality and materials are shit and cable management sucks ass. Friend of mine didn't listen and bought this exact case, he didn't enjoy building it.
If you're a first time builder you should get something better, otherwise you may find it a little irritating to build in.

This is a basic build you can use as starting template: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/YsK77h
The mobo is basic, that's the best way to describe it. The VRM is decent, ASRock uses the same on most budget boards. The RAM is slower, but still ok.
The EVGA 1060 SC offers excellent value. It's single fan but suprisingly good for what it is, actually it's better than many basic dual fan options.
With the CM N200 you get a great value case that suits the build, you can go cheaper but i don't recommend it.
The PSU is better than the Corsair CX, i don't recommend cheaping out on it. The monitor is good and i assume you can find it used for like 100€. Buying used monitors is zero risk, got my monitors used, too.
Change and upgrade it as you see fit, if you can buy a cheap used monitor and maybe a used similar GPU you should be able to stick a 120GB SSD for OS in there. Even if it exceeds your budget a little, SSDs for OS are worth it.

>>60886596
I have media and browsing down on this one, it's just games I want to be playing. I get unstable FPS in OW, and it's very hard for me to aim or play competitively. There's lots of games out there that I want to try and I don't mind playing on the absolute lowest settings. It's just the FPS that bothers me. Honestly something that could play overwatch at a solid 30 fps on the lowest settings would be totally fine with me.

>>60886344
Ryzen only benefits from high ram speed with a 1080 gtx / ti. Even witha 1070 you'll squeeze <5 frames out. With a ti its worth it.

>>60886314
17 june for asrock
half of july for Gigabyte and first B350

>>60886457
Buy an i5/i3 prebuilt machine on ebay for $80-$130. Make sure it's not a small form factor PC as low profile video cards tend to be a bit more expensive than their normal sized counterparts. But absolutely make sure that it has a standard ATX power supply so that it's upgradeable in the future.

Or if you want to go even cheaper, find a Core 2 Quad system for $30-$60. Again, tower and ATX PSU.

A few years ago it seems big businesses and government organizations ditched their desktops for laptops, and some dealers are reselling decommissioned PCs they bought at auctions. It's a pretty good time to get one. Do note that the PC you get might not have a hard drive.

Add a GTX 1050 Ti if you want new. Look around on ebay for older graphics cards if you're willing to buy used. Do note that you absolutely will need an upgraded power supply if you're going this route as older graphics cards that are still worth a fuck tend to be much more power hungry.

Especially look for GTX 750 Ti, GTX 660/Ti, and R9 270/x cards.

Get EVGA 430W PSU if you need one. Depending on how crappy the OEM power unit is it might not even be able to handle a 1050 Ti.

>CPU is a unique shape

You're not talking about the Slot 1/Slot A processors are you?

>>60886630

I hate to break it to you but 350$ just isn't going to get the job done. You might go ultra ultra budget and throw some old crap together to get low settings 30fps but it will only last for a year, then you're back to square one without any scavengable parts since you cheaped out.

I would highly recommend saving an extra 150$ (more is better) and start looking into an G4560 - GTX 1050 Ti setup.

>>60886734
One more thing, eBay shipping can cost up to $25, so take that into account. You may want to take a look at what your local thrift store is selling.

Just make sure you don't buy one that has jizz stains on it.

Build I had for gaming/editing
httpspartpicker.com/user/jeremyt6/saved/kJ6XsY
Gonna start from the ground up. Do I shop AMD this time or go i7 again

I'm too retarded to find recent posts about this, so I ask here:

Are the issues with the x370 boards fixed now? Can I run 3,2 ghz RAM on them now?

Also why does a 200 bucks board have such a retarded m.2 slot placement (I'm looking at you gigabyte)

Are there any drawbacks/concerns to "silent" cases besides higher cost? Like maybe worse airflow/heat dissipation, or anything else that would be good to know? No experience with them and I'm considering exploring one for next build, so any general tips/info/specific recommendations of cases would be cool.

>>60886624
I'm having terrible availability issues on graphics cards, the only "decent" available 1060 right now is the 3-fanned 300mm long ASUS GeForce GTX 1060 ROG Strix so going microATX just to save a few bucks isn't worth it to me since shipping time is a factor for me.

Ideally I would like a cheaper B350 ATX motherboard and go for a r5 1600, less ideally I could downgrade to a A320 ATX + r5 1500x.

>>60886840

Cases being silent or not is generally bullshit unless they have extensive sound dapeming (like the define R4 and R5 - not the glass versions obvciously). One thing that people often forget is that in this day of gpus that don't spin fans up at idle and very low TDP high performance cpus that can be run passively off large heatsinks one of the noisiest fans in your machine will be the one in your psu.

>>60886809
>https://pcpartpicker.com/user/jeremyt6/saved/kJ6XsY
Yeah, you got for an R5 1600 bare minimum and a 1700 if you're feeling to get more powerful hardware, as productivity / editing software always benefit nicely from more cores.
For GPU the 1080p choice is generally a GTX 1060 6GB / RX 580 8GB (no stock at the moment). You can drop down to a 570 4GB if you want (no stock atm too)
In case you were thinking of keeping the cooler: please don't

>PC came with 1 stick of 1333 mhz 4GB DDR3
>purchased additional 2 sticks of brand matching 1333 MHZ 4GB DDR3

Is there any harm to running three sticks, as opposed to just 2? I have room for 4 total, but I only have 3 sticks.

>>60886831
That's nothing specific to the x370 chipset
It's been fixed for most with those few days old bioses. Just check motherboard's pages to see if they have a few days old bios with agesa 1.0.0.6, the vast majority of motherboard do have that update and the rest will follow soon.

>>60885273
I'm here bby grill

>>60886903
I'm not going to say that it won't work, but there's probably going to be a few POST issues.

>>60886883
so you're saying "dont fall for the silent case meme"?

>>60886898
Yeah I'm not keeping that shit. In fact its half the reason I need to upgrade in the first place

>>60884939
What should I change the CPU to

>>60886925
so would I just be better off running my two new sticks and tossing the third?

>>60886831
Bought a x370 Gaming 5 last week along with a set of Gskill's Flare X. Had no problems running them on its rated 3200Mhz on 14C, even on the older bios. Enabled XMP and it just ran stable as a rock.

So just make sure you buy b-dies. The performance gain on faster ram (above 3200Mhz) seems really significant, and timings barely seem to affect it. So overclock that shit aiming towards 4000Mhz trading for sloppy timings.

Also the m.2 slot placement isn't 'that' bad. My placeholder GTX 660 barely runs any hotter than it did on a mobo without m.2.

Now does anyone know why the CPU temperature sensor on my motherboard seems to exactly measure 10 degrees celsius lower than the sensor in my R7 1700 (non-x)? I thought the 1700 non-x didn't got the temperature offset the X versions had. And even then, i thought they got rid of that a while ago.

>>60886924
email me at [email protected]

if you can spend more ill replace my g3258 with my 4670k.

>>60886859
Stay away from A320, you can't OC on it and it will have generally worse components. A320 is for OEM sellers. Don't think XFR isn't affected by shitty components, afterall it's still OC and that depends on the mobo quality like VRM quality.
mATX doesn't mean you can't use tripple fan GPUs, that depends entirely on your case, not your mobo. Many mATX cases support those large GPUs, i think the N200 does, too.

>>60886950
Well try it out first. If there's an issue go with two, if not keep using it.

>>60886972
Is that a real email address

>>60886993
of course.

>>60886973
Right, the GPU-mATX compatibility was stupid thinking on my part. I am however, a sucker for case looks and I really love the sleek white bitfenix has going on. Since the case will be standing on my desk the looks are a larger priority than build quality. I can manage cables fairly well and a single-time more unpleasant building experience is worth the lifetime better looks of the case imo.

>>60886903
It'll run, but unless your motherboard/cpu supports triple channel memory you're probably not going to see a significant speed increase. You'll just increase the amount of ram.

So if it only supports dual channel it might be worthwhile checking that out with just your two new sticks of ram.

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I've limited funds and want to upgrade my computer.

What 1 part should I replace for the most improvement?

>>60886898
Oh and thanks

>>60886931

What i'm saying is sound dampened or not there are many other factors into achieving a silent system and your case isn't the biggest factor towards that goal.

>>60887048
The OS, don't use windows.

>>60887048
Jesus Christ, get a new CPU.

>>60887048
How much money are we talking and what is the purpose of the machine?

>>60887048
CPU and motherboard

>>60887048
your best bet is the CPU but depending on how limited your budget is that might not be affordable since replacing the CPU = replacing mobo and RAM

>>60885586
Several exchanges deal with fiat transactions, like kraken, gemini, bitfinex, coinage, etc.

>>60887042
If you prioritize looks over functionality then go fo the Nova but add 1-2 120mm fans since the Nova only comes with one.

>>60887048
Anything that you wouldn't be able to transfer over to a new system would be a waste of money.

And i think any new videocard would be seriously bottlenecked by the cpu.

So i'd just pot up the money and start saving towards a larger upgrade. Consider that a R5 1600 with a B350 and 8 (or even 16) GB of DDR4 ram can be had for around 400/500 bucks. And would be a serious upgrade.

>>60887153
>>60887121
>>60887105
righto

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>>60887020
>>60887020

Anything I should change before I start to purchase this?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x8NzLD

>>60886152
Get rid of the blue fan.

You can get better RAM for the same price

You can get a cheaper version of Windows elsewhere. Even free

>>60887266
why dont you email me and find out :^)

>>60887277
That 570 is out of stock.

might be a stupid question, but current indications are the $600 skylake x meme will perform better than ryzen 1800x at $450, correct?

>>60887361
No idea. But getting the 1800x is a waste of money. Buy the 1700 and overclock it easily towards 1800x rivaling performance.

It's like Nvidia with the 8800GT all over again. A manufacturer making something that completely blows its own top of the line out of the water.

Purpose: Temporary PC for light gaming, browsing, viewing media.
Budget: ~160 Euro (~180 USD)
Country: Serbia (we poor, hardware expensive)

My PC:

CPU - Phenom II X2 555
GPU - Radeon HD 4770
MB - MSI 880GMS-E35
RAM - 2 x 2GB DDR3
HDD - 500GB
PSU - Chieftek 400W

It's old and I admit: Poorly kept.

I will buy a 800-900+ Euro PC in the future (12+ months from now).

But I can't stand using my current PC... Just want to browse and play light games on Medium without hiccups.

I did some research and found potential parts to upgrade:

CPU - Athlon II X4 640/Phenom II X4 955 (30e/38e)
GPU - GTX 560 Ti/Radeon HD 6950 (60e both)
MB - Would keep
RAM - 2 x Samsung 4GB DDR3 (40e)
HDD - Would keep
PSU - Thermaltake 600W (32e)

I searched for a CPU by using the website called cup-upgrade.com and inputing my MB. Those two are the best ones I found... Then I searched for cheap used GPUs and these are the two best ones as well.

Thoughts? Would this function (aka without compatibility issues) or are there things that would make it not work (sorry, I'm a noob)?

Any help appreciated!

>>60887361
Faster in single-threaded tasks, on par or maybe slightly faster in multithreaded.

>>60887361
Yes it should because of four memory channels & higher clocks, but you shouldn't really be getting the 1800x when the 1700 & 1700x exist and most importantly the Skylake-X motherboard will be priced very high.
Also, threadripper will obviously have a 10 cores in there to compete with it.

Is Mastergel Maker Nano a good thermal paste to use?

>>60887401
>>60887443
>>60887458

cool thanks for info.

i dont want to wait too long for threadripper since 10 core might not be until late 2017. i want to get a new build going in the next ~2 weeks or so and it's starting to look like the skylake 8c might be my best option, assuming i value the superior performance over a 1700x and can afford the price gap.

>>60887587
Apparently threadripper is supposed to be out late July, so only a little over a month now.

>>60887587
the price gap will be very big, b350 + 1700 + cooler is $470 at worst and you can OC to 3.8 / 3.9 GHz fairly easily. Unless you do make use of the extra memory channels, it's not worth.

>>60878277

Nice CS:GO setup, what fps are you getting?

>>60887649
a month is a long time anon D: but you and >>60887650 are starting to make me want to jus twait 6 - 8 weeks...

>>60887418
no, it's shit

>>60887418

I just upgraded from a X4 640 / HD6670 recently. I played cs go fine on medium, though I was at 720p. I'm reusing the system as a Plex server now, but it's really underpowered in terms of single core work.

Go for the Phenom II x4 955. I'd go for the HD6950 as well.

Best bang for your buck upgrade for browsability with be a SSD (if you don't have one already) and more RAM (8gb).

For gaming, upgrading the CPU and GPU should be priority, followed by the RAM if you have discord or something on in the background.

>compatibility issues
looks good to me

>>60887774
Well, if you're willing to pay 100+% more for a 20% performance increase at best then do go for it

Best way to watercool sapphire rx 480 nitro (8 GB model) and 1600X ?

>>60888078
I'd look at EKWB, they should have something for RX series.

I'm just here waiting for Ryzen 3.

I just need a vague release date. I've been waiting for so long.

Trying to find a new PSU for about 60€ for my R7 1700 + R9 280. Current one is an EVGA 500w and it's noisy as fuck as the fan is hitting something in there at times, and i'd like to be on the safer side regarding overclocking too.

I was looking at a corsair VS 550w for 50€, is there any better at this price range?

>>60888319
Yeah nah. The only worthy upgrade would be to a EVGA G2 or Seasonic G 550W. Corsair VS is dogshit and worse than the EVGA B 500.
Also no idea how much 1700 + R9 280 pulls, maybe consider 600-650W.

>>60888365
I've been running it at 3.7GHz +1050/1500mhz on the 500w fine so i'm fairly sure 550w should be fine

>>60887304
See now I already did on a throwaway account

>>60887995

First, thanks for the help, very much!

Second, you can see my current set-up... Not difficult to beat that!

>Go for the Phenom II x4 955

I wanted to go for the X4 640, cuz it was a bit cheaper and uses less power, but it just got sold!

So X4 955 seems like it.

>I'd go for the HD6950 as well.

I also want to go for the HD 6950 over the GTX 560 Ti, but I am a bit concerned - the seller of the 6950 is just some random dude, the seller for the 560 Ti is a verified re-seller of PC stuff...

>SSD

Yeah I was planning on getting a Samsung 850 Evo 205GB and then just later using it when I buy a modern PC.

>CPU/GPU priority

Tbh I think just the CPU will make a world of difference, but, definitely plan to upgrade all 3.

>looks good to me

Great!

One more thing: My current 400W PSU won't be enough for the new CPU+GPU combo, but do I need 600W or will 500W be enough?

Should I buy a cheap used PSU for this rig or just go ahead and buy a good new one (and like the SSD use it in my future PC down the line)?

Thanks for all of your help!

>>60888409
>1050
Lol that card runs off the PCIe power. Make sure to check power consumtion with a power calculator like from Be Quiet or Cooler Master.

>>60888521
i meant 1050 mhz / 1500mhz for the 280

What's a good 350 mobo to go with a 1600?
Is gigabyte still shit?
Is Msi any good?

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Finally got it working, thank you /pcbg/ (this Is an older speccy, posting updated one later)

What is the idea size for a 1080p, 60hz monitor? I have a 25in widescreen right now but I want to pair it with a non-widescreen so I can properly play gaymes.

I was thinking 27in?

>>60878277
what is a perfectly safe clock + voltage for a rx 580 8gb nitro+?

>>60888574
goto sleep netbreak

>>60888587
Around 21'' at most.

>>60888612
No you

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>>60888636
i'm telling vitagen on you

>>60878277
I'm looking to upgrade my gaming and general purpose PC.

Current spec is:
i7 920, ASUS P6T and R7 280 (7970).

What I would like is to get a system that supports GPU passthrough, so then I can install Linux as my host OS and play games through a virtual machine.

Preference would be for high core count, GPU onboard (simply thinking power saving, rather than having to have a second GPU), 16Gb RAM.

Anyone know much about these systems?

>>60888661
Piss off Bort

>>60888694
Why run Windows in a VM, why not dual boot?

If you don't want to partition your disk then just get two; one for each OS.

>>60888574
What ram kit are you using?

>>60888717
More seamless. I can have both running at the same time, switch between them instantly and not disturb my workflow on either.

Dual-boot I get one or the other. Plus there's always the awkward trying to share data between the two.

>>60888709
im not bort
i'm ixfap
now :gotosleep:

>>60888505
Wouldn't risk a used power supply desu senpai. Power supplies are relatively cheap anyway, 430w or 500w should be more than enough. I got a EVGA in my old x4 640 system, its 430watts.

>>60888549
Should be fun then, but i'd check regardless. If your PSU constantly runs at >90% under load it's not good. I'm kinda paranoid in that regard, but better safe than sorry because you know, don't skip on the PSU.
I got a G3 650W for my 1600 OC + RX470 which is overkill, but it's probably just right for Vega with enough headroom to stay efficient under load.

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Sold my R9 390 for $400. Go GTX 1070 or splurge for the GTX 1080 and sell the Destiny key?

Only running 1440p / 85 Hz right now though. Probably 12 months away from upgrading my monitor.

>>60888806
I'd say GTX 1080 because even for 1440p 85hz it's better to ensures that maxing settings doesn't make you drop below that even if you play some very very intensive game

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Been looking at pcpartpicker for a while, did I fuck this up anywhere?
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2yjGgL

>>60888806
Sell the key and get the 1080. Fucking miners started buying out all 1070 cards too so expect them to be sold out or overpriced.
FYI the cheapest good 1070 was 384€ like 4 days ago, now the same card which is already sold out at a few shops costs about 410-420€. I read the same shit happens in the US, too.

>>60888872
I like it desu

>>60888872
Mobo is shit, get the ASRock Pro4 mATX. Get faster RAM, Ryzen loves fast RAM and price difference is marginal considering the crazy RAM prices in 2017, if your budget allows it get the 240GB version of the SSD and your PSU is dogshit.
As for the PSU get an EVGA G2 or Seasonic G 550W, both are great with good value. The GPU is good but the cooler on it sucks ass and the card is most likely sold out anyways. Consider a 1060 6G if RX cards are sold out which is 99% certain.

>>60888889
>>60888958
Alright thanks guys, ill take another look before putting any money down

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1080p gaming build.

This is the final version I came up with but I'm anxious to pull the trigger. r8/h8

>>60888759

Understood, I'll probably just buy a decent new one.

Thanks very much for the help again!... desu senpai?

>>60889035
Mobo is overpriced for what it is. Get the ASRock Pro4 if you want best value otherwise get the Gigabyte Gaming 3 for ALC1220 audio. Imho the rest is not worthwhile unless on sale.
PSU, no idea. Check Jonnyguru on that one. If you can get a EVGA G2 or Seasonic G 550W, shouldn't be much more expensive but both are so much better for OC.
Rest looks good, maybe add 1-2 case fans, Be Quiet Pure wings 2 are good and a SSD if you don't have one.
>1060 6G
>303 yuroshekels
That's a ripoff, get a cheaper 1060. Even the standard white 1060 from Asus is fine, Buildzoid reviewed the PCB and it's suprisingly good for a basic version. Idk about temps and noise, but should be fine.

Yo, recently built a PC for the first time, and every few days it randomly reboots, found the following critical error in Event Viewer:

Event 41, Kernel-Power "The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly."

Also, the Bug Check Code is 0, I'm not overclocking anything (not even XMP is enabled right now), and it has happened at idle, not under stress. Any ideas what it could be?

Also here's my parts list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m9wjkT

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m9wjkT
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m9wjkT/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($327.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U12S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($57.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME Z270-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($149.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LED 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($132.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.44 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card ($422.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design - Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.89 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: Pioneer - BDR-209DBK Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($58.88 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill - RNX-AC1900PCE PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Fractal Design - GP14-WT 68.4 CFM 140mm Fan ($12.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Other: Ducky One TKL Blue LED Mechanical Keyboard (Brown Cherry MX) ($99.99)
Other: Syba 5.25" Drawer ($13.99)
Total: $1670.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-13 18:59 EDT-0400

>>60889335
Ah, also tried MemTest86+, got through 9 passes with 0 errors, and my temps seem to be fine (well, fine for a 7700k).

>>60889335
Have you tried unplugging it?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/rswosylus/saved/YxmvK8

How am I doing so far? I feel I may be close to "pulling the trigger" on my first PC. Been a console gamer all my life so I am really overwhelmed by all the options I have.

How does this look and what do I change? I want to play Souls series, TEs, Fallout, Terraria, Overwatch, new genres, New Monster Hunter, I just dont wanna be limited much... But also not spend a fortune. $1,500 is my limit.

>>60889379
Get Western Digital over Seagate, and not sure if you need RAM /that/ fast.

>>60889335
>every few days
It just wants a break.

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>>60888735
Mushking 2666Mhz Dual Channel

>>60889131
>>60889035
1060 6gb should be around $250 USD just fyi

just installed a ryzen 5 1600 into a msi b350 pc mate motherboard, and the gpu only works when plugged into the x4 pci-e slot, and the computer stays black screen with no bios when the gpu is plugged into the x16 slot, any ideas on what might be causing it?

>>60889430
Hmm, well, I don't shut it off every night but I do put it to sleep whenever I'm not using it.

>>60889487
I don't do a full shutdown every night I should say, I just put it to sleep.

>>60889335
List looks fine. Did you try to run minimal setup with only necessary components and reseating them? Might help. Also check if EVERYTHING is connected properly, every single connector. Audio, power, controll pins, everything.
> or lost power unexpectedly
Check the PSU: http://deron.meranda.us/create/case-modding/avocet/water-pump/atx-power-bypass.jpg see if such an adaptor for the 24pin is included, the G3 has one, G2 should, too.
If nothing helps, try reinstalling windows, maybe something's wrong there, wrong driver or simply wangblows at it's finest.
If that also doesn't help something could be damaged, check all pins on everything, this includes the CPU. It's unlikely but it could be a factor.
If it's completely random, even at idle and the usual steps don't help it's basically you searching the needle in the haystack, it's frustrating but be patient and double check everything.
FYI: i once had a similar problem only that the PC died during load, some plug/pin was slightly damaged, look out for stuff like that. In my case it was the audio connector, never expected that.

>>60889498
Thanks

>>60889498
also, you mean front panel audio?

I want a PC for gaming but I want it to be stupidly overpowered too.
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rHhjD8
This is what I have come up with.

>>60889548
save your fucking money anon

>>60889558
I can easily afford it.
I want a true blue autism machine.

>>60889534
Yes, the connector on the mobo was damaged, seemed like it was pushed in with too much force and damaged the PCB. Things so small are hard to find. Did you build the PC?
If so, did you notice some weird cracking noise, like wood or paper being torn appart? If so, that was the PCB. Some noise is normal since the mobo is not a stiff metal plate, obviously, but you should notice if it's too much.

>>60889576
Yeah, I built it, but didn't notice any cracking like that as far as I remember.