/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>60679265
>socket that big
>doesn't come near to 7700k performance
AMD does it again

>>60679265
Is It even possible to overclock m-atx motherboard?
No decent cooler seems to fit without punching ram and graphic. +matx cases do not support 160mm coolers in general so you gotta go with
h7 cryorig or similiar shit.

>>60679283
It's just a repurposed server socket, threadripper CPUs do not need as much pin but the regular AM4 1100~ pins aren't enough for it still

Also, even an R5 1600 is ahead of a 7700k in performance, unless you're talking gaming but Threadripper (nor R7) aren't made for gaming.
And Threadripper CPUs will most likely perform the same as a 1700 considering the rumored clocks

>>60679317
Maybe avec a cooler master h80i or similar AIOs, fairly sure they're not that big on the socket

>>60679319
keep living your sweet lie amdrone
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600/3647vs3919

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>>60679342
>cpu.userbenchmark.com
Nice synthethic benchmark you have there
here is real world performance

The 7820x is going to be the new king of both reasonable gaming and workstation use. Mark my words.

>>60679477
Meh, wait for Threadripper pricing before you say that
The 7700k heat problems on a HEDT CPU isn't going to be very good in my opinion, and hopefully AMD can price Threadripper very competitively.

>>60679477
It's only 10% faster than the 6900k and yet has less PCIe lanes. That's Intel's own words.
It's what you'd expect from Intel's 1% IPC increase and near 10% clock speed increases. You can overclock a 6900k to be the same.

I think it'll be decent. Not worth the money, but more worth it than the 6900k was at least.
It's what, $600 + $300 motherboard? For $900 you can make a complete 1700 system with a RX580 and overclock it to be roughly the same performance as the 7820x for just the cost of 2 system components.

>>60679342
I bet you also use GPUBoss for selecting graphics cards.

>>60679283
>>60679342
>>60679477
Fucking hell, thread instantly jew jizzed on. Intelshills are literal cancer.

>>60679576
>>60679658

It's basically two 7700k's in one, it'll smash games for many years to come, and workstation applications in the immediate future hands down.

PCIe lanes are a meme, SLI/CF is dead. "muh options" is just jerking off over one of the few numbers that AMD can tout over the competition.

Mobo prices haven't been confirmed but there will almost certainly be a $200 option, if not less, given the two lower tier "literally why" chips they're putting out.

>>60679702
Good luck hitting those Turboboost speeds for more than a few seconds without DELID and a custom loop.

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>>60679762
>i---it's not going to perform! 4.3ghz on all 8 cores with superior IPC doesn't matter anyways! t--toaster! house *sniff* fire!! PCIe lanes!!! ECC MEMORY!!!!!

as always, report and ignore shitposters

>>60679824
>4.3 GHz on all 8 cores
yeah, keep believing this

>>60679882
You do know what Turbo 2.0 is, right? It's every core.

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>>60679824
>4.3ghz on all 8 cores
That is not all-core turbo.
>with superior IPC
Oh yeah, 5% IPC, yay.
>PCIe lanes!!! ECC MEMORY!!!!!
You mean the reason people buy HEDT in the first place? Not "muh gaymes"? Nobody is buying HEDT for this clockspeed shit. Nobody really bought Intel's old HEDT platform, either. I'm willing to bet even at several hundred cheaper, they still won't. They'll stick to much cheaper quad cores if they want to game.

Is 8GB RAM enough for gaming?

Need to get a wifi adapter, any recommendations or things to avoid?

Are Gigabyte GPUs any good?

>>60679894
For some games it's tight. Get 12GB (8 + 4) if possible, or at least 1x 8GB stick at the time being and add another later

>>60679888
No, 4.5 is not all-core turbo, 4.3 IS. clearly you haven't even bothered to read about these new processors because the box doesn't have a red logo on it.

>>60679910
For AMD GPUs they are pretty decent, for Nvidia one they tend to heat quite a lot & aren't much recommended though they are fine. It's pretty sad because they were considered the best with the 9xx series as they could all overclock much higher at acceptable temperatures, but not so much anymore.

>>60679894
no. i had 8gb up until a week ago and i found it to be the cause of the stuttering in many of my games like gta 5 and hitman. after i upgraded to 16gb i get smooth performance now.

>>60679917
If anyone's being a fanboy in here it's clearly you, otherwise you wouldn't have >>60679824 this picture saved don't you agree?

Any word on fresh supplies of RX500 cards?

>>60679949
I actually just googled that because I wanted to try shitposting. "amd shill crying meme".

>>60679960
Then please stop, the quality of posts is important

>>60679929
>tfw you just bought a gigabyte 1050ti

oh oh

>>60680000
It'll still do perfectly fine, it's just that other brands are better.

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>>60679887
>>60679917
Don't pretend to know things when you are completely cluless.
4.3Ghz is two cores only.

Haven't been in the PC game for awhile, about to get a new monitor though.

Is VGA still the standard connection, or is it all HDMI now?

>>60680031
wtf, did intel get nervous about amd? lol.

i was going to get r5 1600 and MSi Mortar but suddenly feeling like r7 1700

do i need to beef up the motherboard too?

Would there be much of a difference between the Ryzen 1400 and 1500x when paired with an rx 570. Also any idea when the rx 570 is being released?

>>60680045
if you can get other than VGA then do so, because it has quite much lower bandwidth than HDMI, which itself has lower bandwidth than DVI, which itself has lower bandwidth than DisplayPort

Most people usually get DVI

>>60680045
VGA is archaic analog tech, though many monitors and onboard graphics might still support it, no video cards do anymore

HDMI is most common now, but HDMI, DVI-D and Displayport are all comparable unless you want big resolution and refresh rates. I prefer DVI-D simply because it connects more securely

>>60680072
>do i need to beef up the motherboard too?
Nope, no need to.

>>60680077
The RX 5xx series is already released, but the stock of RX 570 & 580s have completely disappeared because of recent bitcoin fuckery that make buyers jump over them pretty fast.
A 1500x would be ideal because the 1400 is noticeably weaker.

>>60680045
HDMI is for TVs. PC monitors are all Displayport today.

Is it possible to fuck up your on-board audio while building? I reassembled and cleaned my PC and now the audio doesn't work. Tried front and back ports, linux and windows, different bios versions, and verified the headphones work. Everything looks fine and as usual in the OS but there's no sound.

Planning to buy a GTX 1050Ti, which brand should i look for?

Trying to avoid mini versions for obvious reasons.

>>60680096
>no video cards do anymore
And that really sucks. I would love to play some Quake on a CRT.

>>60680045
DVI and Displayport is the standard for monitors now.
HDMI for TVs.
VGA exists for compatibility reasons.

>>60680138
You can get simple dongles to convert, Anon.

>>60680077
not with a 570, no. especially if you're on a tight budget. if you're spending the extra $25 on the 1500x you might as well spend another $25 to get the 1600.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u1hd_7nUaw

>>60680119
Yeah that's possible but pretty unlikely to happen. Is the onboard audio even detected?

>>60680016
I bought this one.

https://geizhals.de/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-oc-4g-gv-n105toc-4gd-a1526015.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

I'm honestly not very worried since I don't play demanding stuff. Maybe cuda will stress it a bit more but I'll see..

>>60680163
Those add extra lag though.

>>60680113
that's entirely wrong though

>>60680031
So in other words you'd have a quad core in there with two cores at 4.3 and two cores at 4.5, just barely under a 7700k, plus 4 more cores at 3.6.

>>60679358
I'm not sure you are conscious of what a proper benchmark is. That is not a "proper" way to show "real world performance".

Judging by that, the 1800X cpu is the best CPU in the whole wide world right now due to it's performance but it's shit unless you have high speed RAM, and in games it gets beaten by a 4670K, a quad core non threaded CPU.

Your benchmarks are no less, no more synthetic than the ones on that website you mentioned, retard.

>>60680172
I think so, if I plug in my headphones at the front Windows detects it and in the volume controls it appears as if sound is being output through the headphones. If I can't get it to work, would some cheap shit sound card do the job, or could the issue affect it as well?

>>60680231
that's not how it works, but keep trying.

>>60680242
>That is not a "proper" way to show "real world performance".
Alright sorry, didn't know synthethic > encoding benchmark

>Judging by that, the 1800X cpu is the best CPU in the whole wide world right now
Not my fault if you can't read simple graphs

>>60680119
did you install the audio chipset driver from the motherboard manufacturer's website?

>>60680077
1500x is a fair bit faster than the 1400. I genrrally wouldn't recommend the 1400.

Where the fuck do you find a decent RX580 for sale in America?

I read that the stock fans are really noisy so i wanted to replace them.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b36Q2R

Being used for gaming, that's it. No video editing, recording, or streaming.

Yay or nay?

Any good deals coming from computex? I need a new gpu and monitor

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>>60680178
I doubt a cooler like that would have any trouble with a 1050ti.
It's probably this cooler which they use on their low end 1060s. for a 75w card though it will more more than enough.

Do you guys know about GPU virtualization? Is it a thing already?

I'm planning to build a PC with virtualization capability, mainly for software development but also general purpose and some occasional gaming. I need to run Windows and Android guests on a Linux host and GPU availability to the guests would be extremely helpful for graphical programs and GPGPU.

I also need a completely dust-proof chassis. In my area it's a problem unfortunately. I need it to stay clean 100% of the time so I don't have to do periodic dust cleanup. Do you guys know a case that guarantees this?

Budget for the whole computer is $5000. I'm flexible.

>>60680369
Brick and mortar stores, also you can find them in the future

>>60680231
Turboboost 3.0 picks out the best cores to run single threaded tasks on. https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intel-Core-i7-6950X-10-core-Broadwell-E-Review/Intel-Turbo-Boost-Max-Technology-3

In any case, as was previously mentioned, you'll need to delid your shiny new $600 CPU and use a custom watercooling loop if you ever hope to keep those turbo speeds up for very long. It's called "Boost" for a reason. If it could run at those speeds consantly, it'd just be "Base".

When I push my power button nothing happens. I mean not even a twitch or flicker. Is motherboard broken? I'm sure I have eveything connected right. Will the pc power up if it's just the GPU or another part that's broken?

>>60680326
If the problem appears both in Windows & Linux then yeah a PCIe soundcard would most likely do the job, but i'm fairly sure cheap soundcards are very fucking shit.
There's no reason for it to affect a PCIe soundcard, unless your headphone is broken.

>in the volume controls it appears as if sound is being output through the headphones
Have you tried other headphones / speakers though? Or are you sure the headphone you use works fine? (try it on another device)

>>60680401
Try booting with only the mobo+psu with system speaker, see if you get any beeps. Also possible that the case / something is shorting the mobo.

>>60680401
Could be a number of things. try unplugging and replugging the 8pin and 24 pin power connectors in your motherboard a couple times first, then trun unplugging everything you can and replugging it, if that doesn't work your mobo or PSU is probably broken. you can test your PSU like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixcWCrYpw3Y but be careful

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>>60679265
The ram runs a thousand mhz higher than Ryzen's

>>60680401
Check polarity on power switch lead

Make sure you installed motherboard standoffs.

Make sure you connected both motherboard power leads correctly and fully

Make sure the power switch on the PSU is on
Make sure PSU is set to the right voltage

>>60680484
what motherboard/RAM combination?

>>60680333
>I like it better, I can encode shit faster
>Definitely faster in the vast majority of the apps
>My usability > your usability you dweeb
>I want daddy to choke me harder, I can't handle the pressure

Why don't you just put a bullet in your head if you think an x264 benchmark is the epitome of performance benchmarking while you're at it?

Hint: It's not.

Hint: It may be to you because your animu encoding team doesn't get enough money from hooking and you need to resort to crappy AMD hardware.

Hint: Sucking dick is not the only way of making money.

Hint: KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKill yourself and take AMD with you while you're at it you dumb bitch.

>>60680484
You shouldn't really go higher than 3200MHz on intel.
For gaming at least there's basically no benefit after that point, and the difference between 2400MHz and 3200MHz isn't too impressive either.

>>60680360
No, I've done lots of fresh installs before and hadn't any issues so I forgot. I'll try it out. They don't offer those for linux though, right? Though if I could get it working for either OS I'd be happy.

>>60680436
Yeah, I'm using the headphones on my laptop right now. What's the price range for a soundcard that isn't complete shit? If it's too much I might just wait and buy a new PC, the current one isn't that good and I've been meaning to either upgrade or build a new one in september or so.

>>60680375
>stock fans are really noisy so i wanted to replace them.
The 7700k doesn't come with a stock fan anyway
Watercooler also are noisy because of the pump, a high-end air cooler with very big fans strapped on it & a custom fan curve would be quieter
And the temperature difference is marginal
That's a pretty expensive SSD, $90 non-samsung SSDs perform very very closely to it.
Founders Edition cards are shit, they offer no advantage over aftermarket ones & have a blower style cooler which is very very noisy. They also are more expensive, so don't get a Founder Edition card. What do you need a 1080ti for though? A 1070 can handle 1080@144hz fine and a 1080 even better.
850w is way over what you're needing, 600 - 650w would be great as it has still a very big amount of room left. Unless you're getting 850w on purpose because you don't want the PSU fan to spin or better efficiency.
If you want quiet case fans the Pure Wings are bad choice as they aren't that quiet, get some Silent Wings instead because those are the silent ones.

>>60680536
For $40 ~ $50 you can get something pretty good like a Xonar DGX (though the audio through front panel is at a very low volume for some reason) which is what i'm using, but i'm not too knowledgeable about the others so you should create a thread on /g/ for that

>>60680551
i meant the fans that come with the water cooler, but i'll check out an air cooler if that's true.

I could downgrade to a 1080, but I want to be future proof honestly.

on the topic of power supply, I don't want the fan to spin & i plan to overclock.

I'll also replace the Pure Wings with Silent wings, thanks man!

>>60680605
>i plan to overclock.
Just so you know, even 500w has room for pretty decent overclocking as most components these day are fairly power efficient.

>>60680644
Those 1080tis are pretty hawaii tier in power draw, i'd be a little concerned with a 500w. Unreasonably, i'm aware though, total power draw would probably be in the low 400s i'm just saying i'd be a little worried being at 80% load in game.

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I have a gigabyte GTX 970 and my friend has an RX 580. We both OCed them to compare performance and the 970 easily stays above the 580 OC vs OC. At stock it's the other way around. Despite this, I have a freesync ultrawide monitor that does 75hz on freesync and only 60 hz on non-freesync gpus like my meme card. Is it worth it to buy a 580, which would be a sidegrade at best only to take advantage of these features?

The fury is out of the question because it's way more expensive than a 1070 here and vega, well, I'm not very confident in it, even less so due to how completely fucked up is the pricing of AMD stuff where I live.

Is freesync really that big of a deal or am I getting memed? Is the difference between 60 to 75 fps all that noticeable?

>>60680738
>Those 1080tis are pretty hawaii tier in power draw, i'd be a little concerned with a 500w.
iirc a 1080ti draws around 220w which is about the same as an RX 580, in comparison my R9 280 uses ~270w@full load and i'm running a 500w PSU
500w is tight but still pretty fine, though i wouldn't recommend it, but really you can run pretty much every current component on a 500w PSU without any problem

>>60680603
get the freedom drivers and change headphone impedance for the front panel preamp

>>60680745
>Is it worth it to buy a 580
Not at all

>Is freesync really that big of a deal or am I getting memed?
Freesync is good to ensures optimal smoothness at all time (because tearing really removes any sensation of smoothness) indeed

>Is the difference between 60 to 75 fps all that noticeable?
Slightly

But since you already have the monitor already, then it's definitely worth to get an AMD card in the future, as long as it's not a sidegrade.

>>60680804
I'm sorry to ask, but where do i get those exactly?

>>60680508
Image from computex

>>60680830
Different anon but what should I get instead of a 580

How soon after Computex can we expect benchmarks? How am I supposed to decide if I want a new component without benchmarks?!

>>60680872
What GPU do you have currently?

>>60680902
None at the moment, planning on building a PC but I'm trying to lower the costs.

>>60680885
What are you gonna buy that's being released at computex anyway? There's only high end stuff that's been talked about there so far
Regardless, i9 is being released in June along Vega & EPYC, and Threadripper should follow soon after that. You're gonna have to wait anyway.

>>60680942
And what's the usage of the PC exactly?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the 8 core threadripper perform better than a 8 core ryzen given that you won't have the latency between the ccx clusters given that threadripper is using the 8 core zeppelin clusters instead of 2 4 core clusters?
That combined with the incredible chipset and pcie lanes and that fuckin thiccc socket (more surface area to dissipate heat) as well as maybe revised voltage handling meaning maybe it gets past 4.1ghz could make it literally the cpu

>>60680964
It's June now. I'd want to consider the HEDT lineup from Intel.

>>60680985
Current gen games, possibly programming later.

>>60679265
>ayymd razer pooshitter
No thanks. Intel is known to produce much higher quality CPUs and the last thing I want to have in my desktop is overheatig, shit single core performing cpu.
Also I will never support pajeet technology with my money. AyyMD = pajeets.

>>60679576
>It's only 10% faster than the 6900k and yet has less PCIe lanes. That's Intel's own words.
Where did they say this?

>>60680986
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the 8 core threadripper perform better than a 8 core ryzen given that you won't have the latency between the ccx clusters given that threadripper is using the 8 core zeppelin clusters instead of 2 4 core clusters?
You're absolutely right, but i doubt they're gonna make a 8 core threadripper when it's most likely they'll put a 10 cores 20 threads around the price of the $600 8 cores 16 threads i9. You can get a 8 cores CPU for as low as $325, & the 1800x is currently at $480. They're gonna need to fill the blanks in there & the extra PCIe lanes / quad-channel of the 8 cores i9 do make it more appealing to some users than the R7 CPUs, but considering how low they can afford to price their 8 cores CPU i doubt they're gonna bother making yet another 8 cores when they could again go very aggressive and put a higher number of cores for the same price

>>60680487
>PSU set to the right voltage
What? I've never heard of this. Unless tou mean if I have enough power. I do.
>>60680438
Not a single thing lights up. Could a pc still turn on if the gpu or cpu are turned off? I feel like the mobo or PSU are broken. The backplate for cpu installion came off while i was installing the cpu and the mobo fell almost a ruler length onto it because I picked up by the cpu like youtube guides show. I think that's what might've ruined it. If I have too i'll return wverything and buy new parts.

>>60681010
No Vega then?

>>60679265
>RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA & drop settings for some games
>1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580 and GSync costs more; consider only if AMD is not an option (ie CUDA)

EL

OH

FUCKING

EL

>>60681001
Something like an RX 470/570 would do great and isn't that expensive. A 1050ti is pretty low end though somewhat acceptable but i really wouldn't recommend it at all unless on very tight budget. Don't go 1060 3GB unless you really have no choice because those 3GB clearly aren't enough for current and future games, & 1060 6GB is also a good alternative to a RX 580

>>60681051
I thought they had confirmed a 8 core threadripper, I'll look into that

>>60681116
No, they've confirmed "up to 16 cores / 32 threads", that's about it

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>>60681107
please stop shitposting

>>60681140
Yeah. Even the leaked listing only shows down to 10 cores. Even then though, I can't help but think that won't make more sense than a 1700, especially with the greater bandwidth from quad channel over dual fire the 2 zeppelin cores to communicate

>>60681151

An rx 580 is an overvolted and overclocked 480, which is why the card has FUCKALL OC headroom. Meanwhile, this little graph you're showing has a fucking reference 1060, with a huge OC headroom. And even at stock you only have it 2% behind, and that's not even counting the fact that you have shit like ashes of nobody or doom to heavily offset the balance towards amd. OC vs OC the 1060 destroys this shit and regardless of that, a 580 is NOT a fucking 1440p card. You have got to be the most braindead amd shill to pass that on without the slightest hint of irony.

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>>60681213
>this little graph you're showing has a fucking reference 1060
now you're just spouting bullshit
http://www.techspot.com/review/1393-radeon-rx-580-vs-geforce-gtx-1060/

>>60679265
quick
just got a ryzen 1700x

what ram do i get

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313841

vs

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232535

sites say Flare is best for ryzen, but night hawk has DDR4 3000 for the same price as the 2400 Flare. Is the better compatibility worth more than the higher speed?

>>60681275
Get the Gskill.

>>60681275
I'd say go for the Team T-Force because it's higher clocked and seeing people reach 2900MHz on it isn't that uncommon, whereas i doubt the GSkill is gonna clock much higher

>>60681263
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10540/the-geforce-gtx-1060-founders-edition-asus-strix-review/17

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/geforce-gtx-1060-review,29.html

Reaching 2050MHz core overclocked

That one is at 1569MHz while the 580 is a 480 at its very limits.

Eat shit.

>>60681314
Will you stop sperging out like a little kid?
You're not doing yourself any favor

>>60681275
get neither of those

Look up compatibility lists for your motherboard and choose 3200 from that list

>>60681314
>http://www.anandtech.com/show/10540/the-geforce-gtx-1060-founders-edition-asus-strix-review/17

Forgot to add: this one reachign 2100

And the fact still remains that a 580 is laughable as a recomendation for a fucking 1440p card.

>>60681329

Oh I'm sorry that you got your little piece of AMD shilling destroyed, pajeet. You can go fuck yourself for all anyone cares.

>>60681340
>Oh I'm sorry that you got your little piece of AMD shilling destroyed, pajeet. You can go fuck yourself for all anyone cares.
Really man, if you think anyone reading anything you write is taking you seriously, you're wrong
Sperg out, can't argue properly, lies and then shitpost about indian people, and you expect people to take your words seriously?

>>60681340
>it's better in some cases if you win the silicon lottery really hard

Yeah, this isn't an argument.

>>60681372

Getting desperate now eh, pajeet? What's the matter? Afraid people are gonna see that you're full of shit since the 1060 easily has TWENTY FIVE percent of its core clock potential unused at stock while the 580 is choking? You can argue against the articles if you're so buttblasted.

>>60681377

You'll be hard pressed to find any that doesn't easily OC to at least 2000 mhz. A few mhz more or less won't change jack fucking shit. Nice try tho.

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>>60681426
keep doing it, it's very entertaining!

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Did I do gud?

>>60681444
Yeah, that rocket league & $20 rebate make it very worth and it's a pretty great card all around

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>>60680791
Official TDP is 250w but at stock it goes a little higher
Aftermarket goes a lot higher too, but that's a founder's edition.

>>60680986
all the dies used are basically the same anon, threadripper is not using 2 8 core clusters, it's using 4 4 core clusters, 2 per die

an 8 core threadripper would run better, but for other reasons outside of that

>>60681682
>threadripper is not using 2 8 core clusters, it's using 4 4 core clusters, 2 per die
Fairly sure that's specific to EPYC

>>60681700
epyc has 4 dies, 8 core clusters
threadripper has 2 dies, 4 core clusters
ryzen has 1 die, 2 core clusters

each core cluster has 4 cores and 10MB of cache, 8 of which is L3

>>60681700
There are no 8 core clusters.
AMD produces 4 core 'complexes', which are then tied together via Infinity Fabric.
2 of these complexes make up the Zeppelin die, what we recognise as Ryzen.
Threadripper is "2 Zeppelin dies", which is probably where you got the idea that it was 2 x 8core, rather than 4x4 cores.

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>>60681444

I just got this last week when it was on sale for $209 after the rebate. I'm happy with it.

Is a gtx 1030 good for memecoin mining?

>>60681790
God that's ugly but $209 is a good price.

>>60681753
>>60681755
we are probably going to see 6 core CCX (clusters) on zen2, since there is a rumor of their high end server cpu "Rome" having 48 cores / 96 threads

this also probably means that we'll see 8 core CCX on zen3, allowing for 64 cores on a single cpu

>>60681815
>nVidia
>mining
You might aswell off yourself now.

>>60681815
Not even slightly.
You want perf/dollar which low end cards always suck at and you want AMD for maximum performance.

>>60681825
>>60681840
Thanks, I saw that the 560 was a better deal than a 550 so I might get that instead.

>>60681822
>this also probably means that we'll see 8 core CCX on zen3, allowing for 64 cores on a single cpu
Depends on how massive a chip they want.
Look at ThreadRipper, that's the same size as AMD's upcoming 32c/64t server CPUs, now double the size of that chip, and tell me that's reasonable.

>>60681870
zen2 will be 7nm
zen3 will be 7nm"+"

>>60681881
Doesn't necessarily mean the die size will shrink enough to make it viable.

>>60681911
what I really want to see is if they can make GPUs MCM'd, I'm already happy with core count and clocks for now (not that I can actually buy anything, but still)

>>60681911
I think they can at least increase CCX sizes by 1/2 on zen2, and then improve the architectures overall performance on zen3 (if they plan to follow their roadmap)

>>60681822
Just, consider, for a moment, the sanity of what you're asking.
You're asking for 64 cores, 128 threads, from a single socket.
That means, 128c/256t from a 2S server.
This is IBM levels of "Fuck it" right here, it won't happen, not with x86

This general seemed much nicer yesterday...

>>60681426
>You'll be hard pressed to find any that doesn't easily OC to at least 2000 mhz


The 1060 boosts to around ~1850 by default, you're not going to squeeze much more performance out of it than that. You honestly get more performance by overclocking the memory than you do by fucking with the core speed.

>>60679702
>>60679824
No it's not. It's 3.6GHz all core, not 4.2GHz. That's an almost 20% difference. It only hits that 4.3GHz on 2 cores which will rarely happen just like it's rare for the 1800X to hit 4.1GHz on 2 cores.
And it has that shit TIM. Even if you OC it's going to be twice as hot.
You need a 220W TDP cooler for 7700k. What do you think you'll need for double it? 440W TDP. Few such coolers even fucking exist.

It's hot garbage.

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>>60682182
well, I remember reading somewhere that we would see 48c/96t cpus for zen2, the rest is only my speculation tho

here's their server roadmap

>>60679265
I have a lame monitor 1360x768@60hz. Would a GTX 1050 absolutely slay everything at that resolution?

>>60682303
No, aim got a 1050ti instead. It won't slay anything either but should do good.
Lower end cards are very very weak.

>>60682303
accounting for really small cpu bottlenecks, yes, it's half the pixel count in relation with 1080p

>>60681213
>this little graph you're showing has a fucking reference 1060
lol no.
That graph of is of a low end RX580 model vs a high end 1060 model.

The RX580 gets even more of a performance increase from an OC than you can get out of that 1060. Not only because you can get a higher percentage of OC, but because it gets a bigger performance increase from OCing. You OC that 1060 10% and you get 4-5% more performance. You OC the RX580 10% and you get another 7-8%.

God I love when you retards BTFO yourselves in your ignorant sperging.

>>60682249
Starship is 48c/96t 7nm and is planned for q2 2018.
64c/128t per package is presumably coming in 2019 as well, though I don't think it's been announced.

>>60682303
Yeah. a 1050 is good for 768p. But depends on price.
I'd try for ~$70 for 1050, and ~$105 for 1050Ti. That's the price at which they are rather worth it.

>>60682346
I didn't see anyone else speculating about 64 cores/socket beyond myself tho, but yes, starship is being discussed/rumored at some few places

If i'm going to get a third party cooler anyway, should i just get a 1600X, or save some cash and just have a hunk of metal i never use.

>>60682400
only if you're planning to overclock

>>60682400
It's your call budget-wise. If you're going for a third party cooler anyway I'd go with the 1600X which has pretty sweet clocks.

is it safe to connect 6 pin pcie to 8 pin slot in gpu and leave 2 extra grounds empty?

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>>60682372
Sorry, it was a "leaked slide" and not official.
However what was confirmed is that AMD is on track to send their 7nm die out for taping at the end of this year. So Starship is well expected to arrive in 2018. Likely Q2, even.

I'm presuming that Starship will be on the same server socket. 4096 seems to be a lot more pins than needed. But 64 cores would need to be a new socket, which wouldn't be out of ordinary in the enterprise space after 2 years.

>>60682400
Yeah that's what I did.
I wanted a different cooler anyway and the 1600X was on sale for the MSRP of the 1600.
I got some pretty lucky silicon, too. 3.7GHz @ 1.1v while 1.25-1.3V seems average for 1600s there.
Cool as fuck. 30-38C from idle to average load. Stays under 50C even at 100% load on all 12 cores. I haven't tried seeing how high I can push it on 1.4V since that's just meaningless to me, but presumably pretty high.

>>60682522
I don't think so. Isn't the amperage difference?

>>60682400
You could just sell it on ebay or something.
It actually comes in its own separate box so it's super easy to ship.

>>60679762
You're just shit at the CPU lottery.
I have a 4790K and I have 60c during load at 4.5GHz.

>>60682535
I think they'll probably build starship and then just improve upon it, instead of making even more cores, it's not like they need any more if threadripper is already (supposedly) performing on level with intel's 24c/48t cpus

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What are your guys' thoughts on the HP Spectre x360? Would it be good for a starting out graphic designer looking to use it for all of the Adobe programs?

>>60682535
asking because I'm a fag and only have sleeved 6 and 8 pin but going for 2x8 gpu, and PSU (corsair RM750X) stock cables (6+2) look ugly

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What kind of a jackass asks this much for pic related?
Canuckistan dollars too, by the way (if you haven't already picked up on the fact that it's Kijiji).

>have a windows
>mobo bugs out, send it to reseller
>in the meantime used old parts with same hdd
>receive same mobo fixed
>windows spegs out and deactivate and tells me he doesn't recognize my mail address when I ask him to reactivate
I literally have a tab open with the key next to the message saying "hurr your address isn't valid so we can't help you".

>>60682629
>maximum power draw 219W
Man, fuck fermi.

>>60682615
Don't fall for the ultrabook meme. They might be light but lacking in performance.
Anyone who NEEDS laptop for productivity purposes should just get a laptop with a quad core, GTX 1050(ti) and IPS screen. You can find ones for 1000 bucks or less.

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will this run hearthstone and league of legends at medium settings/30fps?

>>60682725
Any recommendations?

>>60679265
This is primarily going to be a vidya build, and I wouldn't spend more than $2000. I know I'm ricing, but it's my first build and I feel like overdoing it. The case is just a placeholder, so if anyone has any recommendations that'd be great. Also, the card is just what I'll be using until Vega comes out, I know it's a bottleneck. So, aside from the rice, did I get anything wrong?

>>60682752
Yeah, you forgot your image/link

>>60682740
Inspiron 15 7000

>>60682772
shit

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wGgFhq

>>60682740
Dell 7567 (the version with IPS panel)

>>60682787
what resolution are you going to play? a 480 is kind of expensive for a placeholder

>>60682787
Get a 2x8GB ram set, ryzen can't do high frequency memory when all DIMM slots are populated, also that's way more expensive than it should be. Also get an 850 EVO SSD, it's almost the same as the pro but much cheaper

getting am4 and ryzen this weekend, i've always been first and foremost a gamer but i'm starting computer science studies in university this autumn, and heard you have lots of rendering to do when learning blender etc, and obviously programming

should i get r5 1600 or r7 1700? It's just a 100 dollarydoo difference and having all the coars and breads could be very useful in the future?

>>60682859
Source on that?

>>60682603
MOAR COARS
They could keep adding 16 every year.

The big question I'm wondering is if Starship is going to be 6 cores per CCX, 12 cores per die, and 4 dies, or if it'll be 6 8 core dies.

If they have 6core single CCX that means they might do 6cores with iGPU. That'd be so nice for Linux plus GPU passthrough.

>>60682629
Hoping someone confuses it for a 1050Ti maybe?

>>60682821
1080p 120fps. I would probably play at 60 fps until Vega comes out if it'd be much cheaper.

>>60682859
>Get a 2x8GB ram set, ryzen can't do high frequency memory when all DIMM slots are populated, also that's way more expensive than it should be.

Didn't know that, will do.

>Also get an 850 EVO SSD, it's almost the same as the pro but much cheaper

Didn't know that either. Also, will do.

>>60682906
probably 6 cores per ccx, I don't think it's wise to have more than 4 dies on the same package, even more if they want to keep the socket

>>60682899
I assume you mean the thing on 4 DIMMs so here https://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-memory-scaling-amd-am4-platform-best-memory-kit-amd-ryzen-cpus_192259/5

>>60682597
Sweetie, they're talking about Skymeme not Haslel

>>60682912
http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Pro-256GB-vs-Samsung-850-Evo-250GB/2385vs2977
Here's the comparison thing for the SSDs.
The 950pro is mostly only faster in write loads, which is useless for game loading since that's all read.

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>>60682912
>ryzen can't do high frequency memory when all DIMM slots are populated
says who

>>60683124
Yeah, don't feel like paying $78 for 3%. Thanks man.

>>60682947
Which means the 2700 might be 12 cores.
The 1800X has 40% of its pins not connected. It's completely feasible that they could put a 12 core on AM4.
Though it could also be that they're expecting worse yields, and the 1700 might be a 12 core with 4 cores disabled.

>>60683124
>userbenchmark
This site is a complete shill scam for CPUs, so why would it be accurate for SSDs? Even if it's mostly correct here, I think that's just a coincidence.

i just realized i have no (good) mice
any recommendations? preferably <$60

>>60683203
32GB btw

>>60683242
I was just looking for somehting that shows the data more conveniently than a bunch of graphs from anandtech. I'm not really familiar with the site, i just did a google of "850 EVO vs 850 PRO" and i did a quick look over the results and nothing seemed glaringly out of place.

>>60683242
I don't really know, if I were amd I would try to improve efficiency and overclockability before increasing core counts again, but if they can keep similar tdp and add those extra cores it would be really nice too

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Purpose: Workstation
Software: Adobe suite, Davinci Resolve (maybe), DAW

I've never built a pc and I fear that I'm spending too much? I will be using this to edit small films as a hobby, in no way professional and maybe some music production, will probably also use some CAD software. But again I'm no professional so I don't want to overkill. What y'all think?

>>60683288
i mean, most of the time the specs like r/w and iops match up really well with benchmarks. so why not just use the specs?

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>>60683347
Also have this build with different processer.

>>60683293
They are tremendously efficient and 7nm will be even more efficient.

But yes, it'd be nice if they could hit 4.5GHz at reasonable voltages.

>>60683347
A 1600X is cheaper and better. So yes, you are severely overspending. That CPU and motherboard both cost twice as much as equivalent AM4 and 1600X.
>>60683371 makes more sense at least. GL hitting the delid lottery.

>>60683347
>>60683371
are you that shitty troll that will refuse to use a superior and cheaper cpu just because of the brand?

>>60683203
>>60683267
Well that's news to me. Did they fix it with a bios update?
I did give it a look to see if it was fixed before saying it but it's super hard to find any information on this when people keep calling it "quad channel" and shit.
Still for 16GB, $200USD is too much

>>60683349
That would've required slightly more effort, that thing was literally the first result in google.

newfag here, getting first parts tomorrow.
Is there a recommended torrent to pull a windows 8 iso to upgrade to 10, as well as a proper way to do it? I pirated window 7 in the past but just want to be sure Im taking the right steps, dont want to screw myself over. Thanks in advance.

>>60683403
agesa 1.0.0.x that came out in may helped a lot, and the new one that came out just recently should help out even more. my kit is 3000mhz rated, and i got it running 2933 using the xmp profile out of the box. really depends on mobo i think.

i also got all 32gb for $210. dunno where youre finding 16 for that high.

>>60683393
If amd claims that they will release 7nm cpus next year, this means that they could easily wreck intel which is still fighting for shitty slow mobile 10nm

if amd can also increase ipc a little more and core count or clocks by then, they'll regain a lot of market share until intel actually designs a new arch

>>60683460
The guy had a 4x4GB ram set in his build and i recommended going to 2x8GB because it's cheaper and ryzen had performance issues with 4 DIMMs

>>60683393
>>60683398
Well like I said this is my first build ever and I don't really know what's what. I put these lists together December if I remember correctly. I just want a good pc that won't be slow when I'm doing these tasks

>>60683496
https://hothardware.com/news/amd-confirms-7nm-tape-out-2h-2017-navi-zen-2

>>60683507
AMD MC actually likes 4 SR sticks or 2 DR sticks more. The problem is that it won't run as fast. But at a given frequency, yeah. It's complicated. I would recommend going to 2x8GB route as well.

Anyone ever fitted a 212 EVO or NH-D14 into a Corsair Carbide 100r?

Stated clearance for CPU coolers is 150mm, but apparently people managed to stick something bigger into it.

>>60683530
one thing occurred to me, with the die shrink the CCX latency issue will be reduced too

damn, amd has basically everything they need to hand intel and nvidia (if mcm'd gpus) their collective asses in these next 3 years

>>60679265
Has the discrepancy between Ryzen and nVidia GTX been fixed yet? Or does the nVidia cards still run slower with AMD cpu's because of intercorprate rivalry?

I kinda want to get a x399 Threadripper with GTX-1080Ti combo as Vega is taking forever and all the cards will be in back order hell for a while once they are released.

>>60683587
It turns out the CCX latency thing was mostly a faulty test. It has a small effect of a few % in the worst case..
Most Ryzen performance issues in games were due to things like the programmer assuming that any "AuthenticAMD" CPU was bulldozer, for example. Just bad programming.
And most of the other issues were Nvidia's DX12 driver likely doing similar. Test on an RX580 at 720p and the 1800X beats the 6900k handedly on average in games.

>>60682597
>i7 4790k

got one off ebay for $280 to upgrade my i5 4690k but fuck was it a hassle. a week after I placed the order I had to nag the seller to ship it. the next day they said they sent it out, but the tracking info still hadn't updated. I bugged them again yesterday and they finally sent it out. ebay never fucking again. at least they have a money back guarantee. I thought I was out $280

>>60683633
That only ever happened in tomb raider and they patched it recently, though i haven't seen if the patch actually fixed it or not yet.
AMD shills won't report on it and nvidia shills probably haven't even heard of the problem let alone the patch so it might be some time.

>>60683447
actually, I found the old windows 7 file I used, is it still possible to upgrade to 10 from 7, even a pirated copy?

>>60683672
Nope it happens in most DX12, Vulkan, and Gameworks games.

Even after the Tomb Raider patch, the performance delta of the 6900k and 1800X is much larger with an Nvidia GPU than an AMD one that similarly has settings dropped to not bottleneck.
The issues are no longer quite as bad, but they exist.

>>60683633
>nvidia cards run slower on amp cpus

people actually believe this despite there not being any motive for nvidia to make this happen. nvidia doesn't make cpus

>>60683257
I'm personally going with the G502

>>60683710
Almost no one is saying it out of malice.
Nvidia drivers just suck now days.

>>60683633
vega and threadripper will be released not too far apart anon

>>60683636
that's nice to know, so it looks like that the stuff they can improve is IF bandwidth, thermal and electrical limits, and core count

it would be interesting to see the core count increase, so they could keep up ahead of intel with coffeelakes 6 cores mainstream cpu

Can someone recommend me the best possible board for my board + RAM for my build (using pre existing parts as shown in my link from an old sort of build that was upgraded bit by bit but I want to upgrade to Ryzen)

I'll be using it for some gaming and Video editing often when I come home from work

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/YjQy2R

What's the best price/performance ssd? Something around 240GB

My PSU and motherboard didn't come with screws.
I lost the ones I had for this old case.
The fuck do I do?

would it be better to buy 16gb of ddr3, rather than 16gb of ddr4 on a budget of $1,200? I'm researching, so I'm fairly new to this.

>>60683034
Not him but my Kabylake is also at 60c during load though.

Need to get a wifi adapter, any recommendations or things to avoid?

>>60683941
avoid wifi adapters

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4xK7JV

How would you /g/uys make this better, first time building, am I on the right tracks ? Use for school and work, plus gaming and maybe some AutoCAD , plz help

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>>60680242
>Judging by that, the 1800X cpu is the best CPU in the whole wide world right now
It is, problem intelcuck?

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New build with am4 and 1600x
For video editing, is this good? First time.

>>60684025
looks good

>>60683916
>60c during load though.
housefire

>>60683659
>got one off ebay for $280 to upgrade my i5 4690k

WOW are you a mongoloid

>>60683974
why?

>>60684032
yes

>>60684068
Better than the build with intel? Also is that gpu good enough for editing? I don't really game but might play overwatch.

>>60684032
I think that's a lot of money for a 1050Ti, and I think you'll have trouble storing a lot of videos with just 1.25TB, but it looks fine otherwise.

>>60684106
for overwatch it's a reasonable gpu, I'd get a rx 470 instead if I could afford

>>60684122
Well is there a particular gpu you recommend? I chose nvidia since Cuda is supposed to help out when editing/rendering. Will probably use external drives, If I end up doing a lot of video

>>60684052
>housefire
My god. By that logic all GPUs out there volcanoes then.

>>60684052
What am I missing, I don't know anything about computers, never bought one before , should I upgrade video card? What about fans, inb4 yes I'm just saying reaction key phrases I've seen along the thread

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hxMFnn

Gaming PC, minimal use for programming. It'll have to last me a good 4+ years is this decent?

>>60680396
It will run 2 cores at those clocks indefinitely on any sort of adequate cooling, you're insane if you believe otherwise. Bringing ALL cores up to 4.5GHz however is an entirely different ball game, that's where the ridiculous cooling requirements will start.

I want to play games at 1440p but don't want to pay an extra two hundred bucks on G-Sync, is RX580 good enough or should I just wait™ for Vega?

>>60684193
OpenCL is faster when supported.
1050Ti isn't bad. $135 is just a lot for one when a $170 RX570 is over 50% faster in gayming and even more so in OpenCL. 1050Ti is sometimes on sale for $105-$115.

>>60684276
wait for vega, it will perform a lot better than the 580

Any thoughts on this
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/pgMFnn

>>60684276
A high end RX580 model is good enough for 1440p. You'll have to drop settings to "high" in a few games, maybe medium on some settings in more poorly optimized ones.

These questions directly pertain to Dwarf Fortress which is an application made before multithreading was a thing.

I'm looking for a good CPU for Dwarf Fortress and I don't really have a preference between AMD and intel but I figure I might be able to save money maybe since I'm mainly looking for a CPU that has architecture for fast single core computing.

I'm not sure exactly how DF utilizes the cache or how to tell how much a processor is doing per call from the specs. The only thing I do know is that GHz is a meme that doesn't mean much considering different manufacturers and technologies achieve more per cycle depending on the CPU's architecture, multithreading, smartcache or whatever its called etc.

Please help me find a good CPU for dwarf fortress. Budget is $500 for the CPU. I'd like to go for maximum price/power efficiency though. I'd imagine $200 is around where it should be but if theirs some new single core processor technology in a $300+ processor that's awesome I'd be willing to shill out for it. I'm planning on a $250 graphics card, 8GB of fast ram, 120GB fast SSD, and a good motherboard that works well with the CPU in terms of distance between CPU/Memory and Bus speed. Dwarf fortress is a surprisingly intensive game to play because of its limitations and I'd like to min max so I can go on larger embarks with more dwarfs and bigger sieges.

>>60684052
>mongoloid

explain

got my 10 year old rig working again. bios battery was dead.

>>60684317
>https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/pgMFnn
looks good

>>60684333
you need extremely good single threaded performance for that, an overclocked 7700k or 7350k will do nicely. You'll also want really fast ram with the lowest Cas latency you can find

Of course you know that even these will be brought to their knees by DF, but it will take a lot more time and dwarves and animals

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>>60680333
>Delid this

>>60684353
you bought the same intel cpu twice you dont belong here go back to /v/ you retard nigger

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What do you think guys?

Already have a PSU. Upgrading from a 760 build

is the i5 7600k still a good cpu despite it needing ddr3 ram? I'm on a budget of $1,200, and since my intended build is dedicated to gaming, it would make sense to buy 16gb of ram right despite buying an older cpu model?

Is a no-name psu a tickting time bomb? Will it really grenade all my components if it fails?

If it hasn't failed for 5 years does that mean it won't fail and destroy my shit?

>>60684440
>1050ti
get a rx 570 instead

>>60684474
How big is the difference between 570 and 580?

Also do we know a price point for the Vega

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>>60684449
>despite it needing ddr3 ram?
The 7600k isn't old, it launched 6 - 5 months ago. Either you typo'd DDR4 or you're confusing it with the 6600k.
Regardless, any i5 is not recommended (especially the K versions) because of the R5 1500x & 1600(x) being generally quite better CPUs

>>60684493
>How big is the difference between 570 and 580?
Not that big, but the difference between a 1050ti and an RX 470/570 is massive.

1800X is not the best CPU. It is, however, considering the current time and price

>>60684333
An i3-7350k is your best bet. Its single core performance roughly matches the i7-7700k, just with half the cores.
You can just make a little HTPC box with it and use the iGPU.
Get a Z270 board and some fast RAM like 3200 MHz as well.

>>60684493
RX570 has some CUs disabled. CUs don't make much different at 1080p.

Vega is probably about $600 for the high end model.

>>60684435
4690k =/=4790k

are you retarded?

>>60684586
>recommending the i3-7350k
>ever
leave /pcbg/ and never return

>>60683775
What brand do you like the most?

>>60684228
Go to ebay/local catalogs for your monitor. That's seemingly overpriced for a 23" screen.
As for the rest
SSD possibly can be cheaper, Kingston UV400 are good come with a matted aluminum case. Avoid the cheap red and black plastic ones (by a different product code)
Everything else is seemingly fine.

>>60684586
>>60684526
Thanks, I'm going to buy a 570 now but I'm on the fence on whether I should get the MSI RX 570 ARMOR 4G OC or the MSI RX 570 GAMING X 4G. The 4G apparently is better for if you want to overclock but I dunno if I want to overclock yet. Is it better to spend the extra $10 just in case?

>>60684598
its the same cpu just the 4790 has hyperthreading, you are the retard

>>60684526
>The 7600k isn't old, it launched 6 - 5 months ago.

It is a rebrand of the 6600k which launched in 2015. The clocks are 100MHz higher, woo hoo.

>>60684228
If you are getting a 580 why not wait 2 more months for Vega to force a price drop?

>>60680242
i can say straight up that is wrong i upgraded from a 4770k to a 1700x and i have not played one game where i get lower fps with the 1700x

>>60684662
That's true, I suppose I could. Should I save this build or will everything be btfo in 2 months

>>60684678
Vega will BTFO out of the current 5xx series cards or AMD is truly finished. You can still get a 580 and it will be cheaper as well. Plus 580 are overpriced or out of stock currently due to jews.

>>60684649
>Is it better to spend the extra $10 just in case?
Not worth the very slight performance boost, no

>>60684650
>hyperthreading is the same as not hyperthreading

please continue

>>60684704
I mean the other parts that I have will they be btfo

Looking to overclock my 4690k, what coolers are recommended? Preferably not poo coloured like Noctuas. I'm in the UK.

Can I always switch out a gpu whenever? Or would I have to start from scratch?

>>60684735
Not even close since they are not near top of the line although you should get better keyboard, mouse and keyboard since peripherals always last longer than hardware if you take good care of them. Especially a monitor, no reason for getting a 1080@75hz monitor if you are getting a 580.

>>60684777
Yes. Often it's best to build a new PC but carry over the GPU for the last to wait for better GPU's/save up longer for a better one/seasonal sales.

>>60684777
you can always swap out a gpu whenever

its highly unlikely that the newer one you are/will be getting draws more power than the old one. exceeding the power that your psu supplies is the only unlikely hurdle that you would face. you will also be hardpressed to find a mobo without enough pcie lanes to support a gpu

>>60684777
No, you can sometimes switch out a GPU on thursdays. Other times you can switch it out on the winter solstice.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/oznerol10/saved/#view=tZXzyc
Whaddaya think?
>no im not switching to a 1600. Yes i know you can get similar price by overclocking, buy i want a better binned card

>>60684934
wow...

>>60684910
i think that looks good

>>60684629
>for someone that just wants to play dwarf fortress
Yes. Stfu.

>>60684649
Gaming X is worth it. Quieter and OCs higher once you get into that. Overclocking GPUs is super easy. Should get an extra ~7% or so performance from it with less noise.

>>60684910
>https://pcpartpicker.com/user/oznerol10/saved/#view=tZXzyc
I'd get a larger SSD and a monitor that's at least 75hz, but looks fine otherwise.

>>60684910
A 2TB hard drive is only $15-$20 more than that one and there's not really any reason to go with a sata speed M.2 SSD over a 2.5" unless your case is low on space.
With a 2.5" it can be retired into a console or a USB drive where as an M.2 can only be used in laptops or PCs.

>>60684910
M.2 and a sata SSD are basically the same thing. You won't see much gains from that.
You'd be better off aiming for a cheaper option with more storage. And leave m,2 for an NVMe card later.
That's a deal and a half on that screen if roobux
The rest is fine.

>>60680121
What are the obvious reasons?
I know close to nothing about gpus. Do they have a harder time dissipating heat?

>>60684399
>>60684972
>>60684629
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DvphNN

Did I fuck up or does this look fine? I'm willing to shell out 140 more of the i7.

Best cpu cooler?
Is watercooling a meme or there some good stuff?

>>60685072
Is this strictly a gaming PC?

I finally got my PC to turn on. All the fans are spinning, the lights are all on for my GPU. But my monitor says "No Signal" when I connect the hdmi cable to the gpu. It doesn't work when i take out the gpu and connect the hdmi to the motherboard. Please help.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HCLMQV

>>60685082
Corsair h100i GTX & nxzt kracken? Are the ones that do better than noctua. But cost $200+
The H100i V2 is almost the same price as the noctua, but a wee bit louder, and near the same cooling perf.

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Is anyone else getting a little tired of the "ultra minimalist" trend, where everything is sleek, has tempered glass, and perfect cable routing?

I'm thinking about just saying, fuck it, and getting a godamned HAF full tower, since I'll literally never have anything that won't fit in it.

Thoughts?

>>60685072
Why don't you just use the iGPU if you're just playing dwarf fortress?
And is that memory on the QVL? Most boards will have a hell of a lot of trouble trying to run more than 2 sticks at OC speeds.

If you're just playing DF and want the most single core perf possible, the 7700k is going to run hot as well. a 7350k will be cooler.

>>60685130
Buy a 900D or an Enthoo Primo

>>60685133
What is a nice, quiet, reliable 2-4TB HDD?

I have 3 HDDs that are loud as shit that I'd like to consolidate into one.

>>60685122
Are you sure you plugged the PCIe power to the GPU? Are you sure the cable is working? Have you tried another port on the card like dvi / vga or whatever you have?

>>60685130
sick drive bays blocking your intake faggot

>>60684302
I don't think that 570's are in stock anwhere, though.Not for $170, that's for sure.

2500k
HD3000 iGPU (Maybe RX480 when Vega comes out)
Z68 chipset
16GB 1600mhz
128GB Crucial M4 SSD, maybe a 500GB 7200rpm HDD also
Seasonic G 550W
120Mb/s down and 12Mb/s up fibre

It's just a bundle of spare parts I have with no firm idea of what to do with them.
I aready have an x99 system for gaymen, editing or anything else intensive and a kaby lake laptop for media and mobility.

So what could be the most fun thing to do with these parts and how would I go about it? Hackintosh, NAS/Plex media server, some kind of dedicated game server, encoding and streaming server?

How bad is 5 ms in terms of response time?
Will I really notice the difference?

>>60685130
Why go full tower? For more drives cages you'll never use? It's just dumb. You pay for that size and you never use it.
It's not an issue of future-proof: people need increasingly *less* space in their machines as chips achieve lower TDPs for the same performance, and storage increasingly moves to the cloud, drives keep getting bigger in GB, components keep getting smaller.

>>60685193
Install FreeBSD and run Snort v3.0 with all detection rules on

Windows 10 or 7? Heard about ltsb how can I get it?

>>60685197
>under a third of a typical game frame
no unless you stop to compare the subtleties

>>60685133
I'm worried about it running hot desu and I'd prefer reliability over maximum overclocking or anything like that but I just assumed overclocking was something not very hard that people stayed away from for no reason because they're too retarded to buy after market fans and extra case fans and stuff.

I play other stuff other than DF but I want my machine to be good at DF and I'm worried that newer processors might be far more optimized for modern applications and less proficient at running DF. However I do play newer games but I also am willing to tweak the games graphics settings in order to get good FPS with a budget card. I imagine modern video cards can destroy most modern games using 1080p textures. I'm currently using this http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gts-450

Modern games I want to play are literally listing it as the minimum spec for playing them. I can believe it since I generally turn down render distance, textures, shadows etc in order to get 30 FPS.

>>60685118
I do more than just play single player triple A games that get memed by most enthusiast PC gamers. My current PC gets bottlenecked quite a bit, mainly when Multiboxing accounts in EVE Online. I also can't record local recordings for Guilty Gear Xrd Revelator which is a fighting game, that I want to use to make Webm's. I run servers for minecraft and stuff when my friends want to play that. I'd like to host servers for file sharing anime directly to my friends/ media server stuff for my house. I do record videos and edit them and stuff but I don't do professional youtubing or streaming or anything.

I'd say in general I'd like my PC to be more powerful than it is right now at virtually everything it does because I can't do things that I'd want to do with it. I'd prefer (older processor, highly refined and budget revision 17) over (expensive and experimental processor with overclocking at GAYMER markup prices with flashy LED's revision 1)

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Any thoughts on what I can do to improve https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4xK7JV help first timer , will name computer after whoever helps and put sticker on it with name , thinking should I wait for Vega , should I go with a different video card, willing to spend more, using for school and work, sometimes AutoCAD and gayming
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>>60685358
>Define R5
Every fucking time.
Do people not step outside of the Fractal echo chamber? It's not a bad case but jesus.

>>60685358
Also, who actually needs an X370 when you can go B350? Pretty much nobody.
You aren't buying an aftermarket cooler, so just buy one of the cheaper B350s and don't worry about the VRM.

>>60679265
AM I REALLY THE ONLY PERSON TRIGGERED BY THOSE BENT PINS

>>60685338
I should also say that I'd take /g/'s advice over what I think I think I want if you guys really think I'm being retarded getting a 7700k. For example I read the headphone/mic stuff on the wiki and bought a microphone and rigged it to my headphones instead of buying a headset, and then I bought a desk mic for vocals later if I want better quality.

In regards to the case I'm still looking and I'd like something with more hard drive bays because I'm a massive whore when it comes to archiving data. My current hard drive is slow as shit and I'm forced to use an external harddrive and I only have USB 1.0 ports on my computer to attach it to and I have literally no extra PCI slots to make transfering shit faster. If I save money on the CPU I'll probably put it into a bigger/faster SSD, or maybe even a secondary SSD.

I guess I'll check the G chart for price efficient PC building again. I don't want to get an I3-7350k if its going to fuck me on everything else though. I'm not exactly sure how bad a duo-core is compared to a shitty quad core. My current Processor is a i5-2400.

>>60685338
I hate to say it (LIES!), but it sounds like you could use an AMD Ryzen 7 1700 over a 7700k. the video game performance is almost identical, but with its 8 cores and 16 threads, you can do a lot more with it.

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>>60685416
I got a noctis if that matters, but then I suppose its "red and black why." nothing wrong with getting something that works well

>select everything with belts

that's new

>>60685157
Haven't tried other ports. Buying a dvi now

>>60685522
I am so sick of red and black everything. But unless you're building a white PC or a black PC, or a black and red PC, it's really hard to color match anything.

>>60685454
Doesn't the ryzen 1700 come with a cooler ? And which would you recommend? Should I get an aftermarket cooler? I want it to last me awhile

>>60685625
The 1700 comes with the Wraith Spire RGB. If you're not planning on doing much overclocking you'll be just fine with the stock cooler.

>>60685416
I was going through threads but what case would be alright, I don't even know anything about that , is it a bad case? What would be better , completely new to this

>>60685642
Thanks I appreciate it, I don't think I'll do much overclocking to be honest since I don't know much about it, what do you think about the video card, what would you say would be better ,I don't want some ass piece of equipment for being retarded

>>60685338
>>60685516
He said he mostly plays dwarf fortress. That's one game where the best single core performance can really matter.
With a 4790k for example, 30fps is the best you'll do with a 10 year old fort with 200 dwarves.

I have no idea how DF runs on Ryzen. I haven't heard a comparison from anyone. I would assume a Ryzen CPU at 4GHz with decent fast RAM would slightly out do that 4790k example, but should be worse than the 7350K or 7700k unless cache really makes a big difference (which it might).

You could try the dwarf fortress subreddit or something. Maybe someone there has Ryzen. Ryzen does run a fuckload cooler.
And yeah I guess using a dGPU instead of the iGPU for better thermals might make sense. But $165 for a 1050Ti is retarded expensive for what you get. The RX570 is about 50% faster than it.

>>60685559
I unironically like red and black so it worked out for me

>>60685625
>Doesn't the ryzen 1700 come with a cooler ?
Yes, but you can't overclock with it very well.
Given the limited clocks, buying the heaviest VRM isn't going to be important. So you don't need "enthusiast" grade motherboards. You certainly don't need anything X370.

>>60685652
Similar cases to the R5 in terms of what they offer:
Corsair 400Q
Phanteks P400S
bequiet Purebase 600
Silverstone KL07
NZXT H440

That's off the top of my head. The Define R5 (and C, and S) isn't bad, but it's not a strictly better case than anything I mentioned. People keep recommending it like it's the only case out there, or has some magical feature that makes it best in class. It isn't, and it doesn't.

>>60685758
>recommending corsair cases

>>60685810
>Not recommending Corsair cases
That was easy.

>>60685810
>being against Corsair

>>60685819
>>60685823
The only good thing that Corsair makes still is their memory. Even then, G. Skill is a better company than them.

>>60685720
I agree with what the anon said earlier, get a B350 motherboard. You'll save a lot of money and you don't need the additional features offered by X370. Just make sure you get something with all the USB you need.

Do you already have the GPU? If you're buying a new GPU right now the 580 is an overclocked 480 at the same price. For 1080p gaming that should be more than enough, but if you're going 4k you'll want a 1080. Likewise for the CAD work the 1080 has much more compute power.

>>60685758
I will definitely look at the other cases for sure, but as for the motherboard I picked it cause it has WiFi as well, I don't really need that but which do you think would do me well, I don't think I'm near anything an enthusiast nor know what they consider to be one ,

>>60685516
>>60685730
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HWX2M8

Is this better? I like that its cheaper than the last build. I'd take a hit on DF CPU performance if that CPU is a ton better at multitasking. It looks like its on par with my current CPU in terms of single core performance at 3.1 Ghz (I assume its much faster though because of the l1 cache being so much better) but maybe I'm wrong. How do I know if a case has room for extra fans?

>>60685130
That actually looks more limited on GPU length than some microATX cases i've seen.

>>60685877
I don't have a gpu, I haven't had a computer in years, so should I look into the 580, I don't know how to overclock fo sure, will lean as I get more into computers , I really don't think I want 4k anything realistically I'm okay without it , so I should save with the mobo and get a 1080 instead or is Vega a thing I should wait for ?

>>60685926
>VGA card length: 342mm / 13.5 inch
Oh wow, it really is.

>>60685902
change the single stick of 16GB memory to 2 sticks of 8GB so you can use dual channel.

>>60685840
As someone who has owned a Corsair case in the past, and as someone who is currently running a main rig out of a Define R3, I respectfully disagree. If you can find reviews trashing the 400Q, I will happily retract my suggestion.

>>60685893
>which do you think would do me well
There are varying price points within B350, but honestly, if you don't intend to OC with any severity, running off the stock cooler, you can probably buy the cheapest one you can find, assuming it has all the slots you need or can reasonably fill. Maybe look out for VRM heatsinks but that's about it.
Sticking a wifi card into a 1x slot isn't a big deal. Fuck, you could probably get a USB dongle if you wanted.

>>60685979
You could wait for Vega but I wouldn't expect to see it on shelves before August and even that may be optimistic.

The 1080 will definitely boost compute performance over the RX 580 and it will be overkill for 1080p.

>>60685893
I should also note that if you aren't going to OC like crazy, have a single GPU, and are limiting the CPU to a 65W part, you can probably cut down on the PSU. It's a great model, but 650W is far overkill for your needs. I'd drop down to 550W and you'd still have headroom to spare.

Will GTX 1070 + R5 1600 and 16bg RAM combo pull 144hz at 1080p?

if my expected wattage is 354w how big is too big for a psu?

>>60686137
It won't run 144fps in AAA games, but it will be high enough to be worth it for a gsync monitor.
For a normal 144Hz monitor however, that's not happening.

>>60686055
But should I buy one just in case I get Into OC? Instead of just getting a new one, I want something that'll last me thru college , so I got some money to spare so I don't need the cheapest one, one that is worth it would be a great recommendation in my opinion

>>60686137
Depends on game.
An R5 1400 and RX550 will do 144fps in CSGO. So obviously a 1070 and 1600 will do more. But that's CSGO.

In games that a 7700k and 1080Ti won't hit 144fps, like Assassins Creed Syndicate, no the 1600 and 1070 won't either.

>>60686059
So 1080 it is, which would you say?

Have a question that I can't find the right words to google.

I plan to upgrade my 8320 into a R7 1700. Down the line a little, I plan on getting multiple GPUs and switching to Arch + Windows VM with dedicated GPU.
Can a B350 do this? I'm reading that the B350 doesn't have support for dual PCIe slots but also seeminly newer info that AMD actually did support it.

Honestly, I just need a mATX AM4 board. Seeing as how there's only Shitstar mATX X370s, I'll have to get a B350 anyways.

>>60686219
VEGA is overkill for 1080p, and so is the GTX 1080. Go for a 1070

>>60686219
EVGA ACX cooler is GOAT

How does my i5-6500 compare with that r5 1600 in the OP?

>>60686267
He's doing CAD work. $200 for 2/3 more FP32 isn't a bad deal.

>>60686219
Get the Fury X

>>60686188
10 times the expected idle wattage is "too much" since efficiency on power supplies gets real shit at under 10% load but other than that it depend son your plan for it.
If you want to use 2 GPUs in the future or just want an AMD GPU, go with a 650-750w. I kid but not really, the water coolers attached to stock Vega cards in the promotional images is concerning.
Otherwise 500-550, whatever's cheapest in the brand/model you like, should be fine if you plan to stay at the level of the components that pcpp is saying take that much, and should even be good for some CPU overclocking.

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>>60686283
You mean the GPU that is such a big housefire with a big TDP, AMD literally had to bundle a 300W power supply with it?

>>60686301
That's not a power supply

>MSI Radeon RX 580 ARMOR 8G OC 8GB
>shipping date unknown
FUUUUCK
What if I don't want 1060?

>>60686275
Very very close average FPS but lower minimum / more frequent FPS dips, much lower multithreaded performance & much more room to run multiple software at the same times
No, the upgrade isn't really worth it.

>>60686335
it was a joke...

>>60686340
Wait or contemplate suicide i guess.

>>60686351
7700k or bust?

>>60686203
If you want to buy into a better motherboard VRM for potential OC, that's understandable.
Just keep in mind that every feature you don't utilize is effectively money wasted. Not so pleasant to keep in mind when you stare at an ATX motherboard loaded with slots you never fill.

Here's a good example of what I think you'll realistically use at max.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813144048

You want to go full "what if"? ATX is a waste of money imo, but here's an example.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157761

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My GPU is getting hot compared to how it used to be, I think the thermal paste is dried out and not transfering the heat as good as it did when it was new. I think I should take off the heat sink and replace the past, how worried should I be about damaging the die? I never worked with bare dies before.