/pcbg/ - PC Building General

RIP OP

Intel will rape your ass and Nvidia will fuck your mouth now for telling these 'lies'

man i dont even need a new computer but i feel an impulse to upgrade

After extensive testing, I have found that the 7700k blows the Ryzen out of the water

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>>60299559
Is that like a depth charge?

Stupid question, but will a MicroATX mobo not work in a Mini-Midtower, or will it just be very spacious?

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https://www.amazon.com/AOC-AG241QX-Gaming-Monitor-2560x1440/dp/B01NCTHS6E/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1491573677&sr=8-1&keywords=Agon+AG241QX&linkCode=sl1&tag=gpunerd-20&linkId=40f1a862326ac9e064e78063c242dcf7

Are there any other 1440p 24" monitors with freesync?

Honestly how useful is freesync, I hate tearing like a motherfucker but I'm not sure if it's worth all this trouble and cost shenanigans.

>>60299478
I see literally nothing wrong with the OP. Everything in the greentext is true.

The only thing that could get more emphasis that for a pureblood gaming build that does nothing else, the i7 7700K is still the undisputed king.

DO I GET A RYZEN SYSTEM OR JUST STICK WITH I5 3570K AND BUY A 1070 FOR GAYMEN

>>60299658
Is dealing with Intel's bullshit worth 10 FPS at over 100 FPS? I'm not sure I'd agree.

>>60299628
It will be very spacious. If a case is rated for something, then every smaller size will too.

>>60299691
I'm not here to discuss opinions about company ethics, I just look at proven facts about the hardware.

>>60299712
Thanks.

Lian Li PC-Q36 is the PERFECT case for my needs
>mini-itx, two tier design
>signature lian li brushed aluminum finish
>cpu coolers up to 170mm, gpu up to 300mm
and it's out of fucking production
did they have anything supercede it? are ther any other cases like it?
node 304 is literally the only other case that I know will work

Had the misfortune of posting right after the new OP

What's the best sound dampened case to get these days for an full sized ATX build? I've never done the whole quiet thing before, planning on using an NH-D15 to get away from noisy AIO units. It's been a bit since I've paid attention to cases though. Define R5 still the one to go for or are better options available?

>>60299808
Define R5, definitely. If you don't need a disk drive, you could consider the Define S, too.

my fans don't have a 3 pin fan connector (for speed control) can I buy a cheap fan controller? or should I just get new fans

>>60299559
>>60299680
Stock for stock 7700k well and truly outperforms a 1700 for single threaded applications. And the 7700k has far more overclocking headroom.

Either way, you can't say the 7700k trades blows with a 1700. They're not even close to even..

>>60299391
Best 1080 brand? Are the hybrid cards worth it?

>>60299854
Yeah you're right. 196 vs 145 in cinebench single core is a pretty big difference. Even OC'd, the 1700 will only get to around 162.

>>60299854

Well I was looking to upgrade to R5 1600, new mobo, 16gb ram, new graphics card (1070 or vega depending) and SSD.

But now I'm wondering if I can just run a 1070 with my i5 3570k and call it a day for a year or two.

>>60299873
My conclusion to that is that the 7700k is more utilized during gaming than the Ryzen cpus and that is why you see 7700k drawing more. Look for instance what happens when running Prime 95 in Techpowerups comparasion.

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>>60299559

>>60299907
The 4 core 7700k rules the 4 core CPU market / gaming market; and will continue to do so until AMD launches a much improved Ryzen 2. Even then to beat the 7700k, AMD will need a significant increase in IPC and a massive jump in clock speed.

But since that is not until late next year, Intel's 8th generation CPU's will be launching about the same time... well...

The 1600x is a great CPU, offering really great performance for the price, but the 7600k continues to beat it in gaming. The top spot in the $250 budget CPU market will remain a close tie for the next year or so. Then it it will be Cannonlake vs. Ryzen 2.

Everything else Intel owns the market as AMD does not have an offering.

The R7's don't really compete with outgoing Intel's HEDT CPU's; and the new X299 is dropping at the end of the month with Kaby/skylake-X. It is rumored that AMD is preparing a launch of it's own sp3 HEDT line up in a new socket and supporting up to 16 cores, but unless that platform has some smoking fast memory support to deal with the cross CCX latency issues, I don't think it will compete well, even with 16 cores.

So while I really would like to see this happening... we are just not there yet.

i don't really gayme anymore and bought a SSI-CEB/ATX case with good air cooling. i want to build a CPU centric build. what would be the best CPU mobo combo that wouldn't be retardedly expensive? i would ideal like to keep the cost of both under $600.

>>60299939
Intel's premium chips are fine. AMD's win here was on price, not in absolute performance. The 6900K still solidly beats the Ryzen 7 lineup (~15% ahead), and the 6-core 5820K/6800K/6850K are snapping uncomfortably close to its heels (~15% behind).

>>60299871

Here on /g/ you will only be recommended EVGA, XFX and Zotac

>>60299939

I hear you bro, but like I said I'm either going to get the 1600 system I mentioned above, or just get a 1070 and stick with i5 3570k for another two years or so

What you think desu?

You guys really do live in a bubble! ryzen barely made a dent in the cpu market,the only people who have them are small amount of enthusiast and people with fx CPUs who upgraded to ryzen who are not much to begin with,it's gonna be a while for ryzen to actually claw marketshare.

>>60299966
It seems Intel still is domination with a faster gpu like 1080ti or faster. I thought this issue should be resolved by now but 7700k and 7600k seems still to be on another level performance wise with a fast gpu at 1080p :https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/amd-ryzen-5-review-1600x/ Starting to think that Ryzen simply cant feed fast gpus like 1080ti and above at 1080p.

>>60299966
I'm more of a MSI and EVG guy... zotac and xfx always gave me the feeling of cut rate

>>60299966
A 3570K will be fine for a bit longer. Maybe overclock it a bit.

guys. i got a job with Intel and i can buy CPU's for half price. what do i get for gaymen?

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hey guys i plan on upgrading and pic related is what i've got so far.

I already have an xfx rx480 so i won't need to buy a gfx card.

what's your opinions?

>>60299966
What monitor? If you're still 1080, hold back on getting a 1070. Upgrade your monitor first, or grab a 580.

>>60300063
Do you need 8 cores?

>>60300071

Yeah still at 1080p but looking to play at 144mhz. Also I'd rather get a bigger card now and get the monitor later than have to buy two cards

>>60300086
not really but i don't plan on upgrading for a very long time after this purchase

>>60300086
Not him, but if ya can afford 8 grab it. Greater longevity.
>>60300063
Only consider six if you can sell it easily later to get Zen+. That's of course if you're somewhat cashed up.

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>>60299658
Pretty sure >>60299478 is talking about the image in the OP.

>>60299808
idk /g/ gives bad case advice.

>>60299854
depends on the instruction set used and how cache reliant it is.
The 1600X is better single core sometimes even at lower clocks.

>>60300014
Nvidia driver issues. Wait for Vega.

>>60300104
Three weeks till Vega comes onto the market. It should drop the 1070's price.
Consider waiting for a bit, to save a bit of cash from that for a later CPU and mobo buy.
But if you're happy with grabbing a 1070 now I see no problem. Other than price. Maybe even chance a secondhand one. Nvidia cucked down the overclocking of the 10XX cards heavily. So I doubt you'll see problems other than a noisy fan from secondhand. But you can buy after marker GPU cooling pretty cheep.

>>60300217

Yeah I'll wait for vega to come out, like you said even if vega doesn't turn out to be worth it I'll hopefully see a price drop on the 1070, then when things start getting bad I'll get the mobo/cpu upgrade.

Thanks for the advice bro

>>60300062
do i really have to post my offer letter to get a response out of you fags? is the 7700 the go to gaming chip on the Intel side of the house? i've been AMD all my life but now i can afford to go blue.

>>60299114
>Even an RX570 4GB would be overkill, though not that bad. RX460 or RX560 is the ideal pairing with a G4560.
AMD's GPU prices are in a strange place because of Ethereum. It's not really enticing for me to get an RX570 4GB for $175 when $200 can get an RX580 8GB instead.

I'm trying to buy at the point of diminishing returns, and it seems like that point is much lower for CPUS than it is for GPUs right now.

>You should also get a semi-modular power supply. Just wait for one to be on sale under $45 if one isn't at the moment.
But the nice people in the reviews section assured me that the Define Mini is such an elegant and perfectly designed case that it doesn't even need a modular PSU to have good cabling.

>>60300240
No worries. If you grab a 1070 you can bypass the voltage restrictions with liquid metal by coating a resistor to trick the sensor to thinking it's not drawing as much power as it is.
Cheep way to soft mod your card. Buildzoid just got a 1070 that he's going to mod the crap out of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm4aBe23kec
Should give you an idea of what to expect. I'll be doing similar to my 1060 once I've got a back up card.

Has anyone here gotten a working Windows 7 installation on a Ryzen build?

Does Windows Update actually get blocked on ryzen cpus, or did that just turn out to be empty fud?

I refuse to use W10, and if you still don't understand why then you need to lurk moar.

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>>60299939
>Significant jump in IPC and clock speed just to compete.

>(You)

>>60300365
I'm pretty sure you're just trolling at this point.
Or at least I hope so.
It doesn't look like you understand what a build path is.

If you ever want to upgrade the 845 machine, you will have to completely change platforms, wasting huge amounts of money. In the meantime you will have an inferior gaming experience. compared to what the 4560 offers.

Until R3 comes out, you would be unwise to reccomend any AMD based cpu for a budget build.

The guy who built an i3-6100 based system on an H110 mobo a year or two ago has much more cost effective performance upgrades available to him than anyone who built a new AM or FM socketed system at the same moment in time, and he has been enjoying a much better gaming experience in the meantime.

You may not want to hear this, given your choice of platform, but them's the facts dude. No way around it. You could tell me the sky is green, but that doesn't make it true

>>60300335
https://github.com/zeffy/kb4012218-19

>>60300391
>upgrading to the best possible on that H110 board is still a stuttering mess in many games while Ryzen is smooth
hmmm

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>these intel shills

>>60300391
You have to be a huge shill to say that overall average framerates are more important than the lowest points.

I understand, you're desperate and
>MUH GAYMING
is the last thing you have to cling to while Ryzen is CLEARLY better at everything else.
But the fact is that it's better at gaming most of the time as well as it's smoother and more consistent in the vast majority of games from the past 5 years. And the older ones it runs amazing, too.

>>60300391
No one is arguing that Intel is still good in the budget department, but other than that, Ryzen is a better choice in nearly every situation. Why do you think the budget recommendation in the OP is the G4560?

I was referring to your other remarks like "7600K is still a good choice" and R7 doesn't compete with Intel's HEDT offerings.

are there any xeon chips and dual cpu motherboard worth bothering with for PC usage?

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>>60299939
>The R7's don't really compete with outgoing Intel's HEDT CPU's
How many rupees are they giving for whoppers like this?

Amazon is selling the 1700X for $10 more than I can get the 1700

Is there any reason to still get the 1700 over the X?

>>60300513
Keep in mind I plan to buy a CPU cooler anyway so I don't care if it comes with a cooler or not

Do you guys think we will get new CPUs from Intel and/or AMD by the end of the year? When I say by the end of the year I mean around November/December. I'm asking because I'll buy a new computer for my sibling. For now I'll probably go for a R5 1600 but who knows what can happen until then.

>>60300523
Then get the 1700X, it overclocks better.

>>60300523
I'd get the 1700x if you are going to get an aftermarket cooler as youll be able to overclock more on the 1700x.

>>60300513
Not at that price. The XFR chips are better binned. Jump on it. Lower voltage for better clocks.

Is the 1800x worth it over 1700x if i want to keep it in my main, daily use desktop for at least 5 years?

Why does Ryzen suck at being a VD server?
Holy shit, I was expecting the 1600 to be good considering it did so well in the multithreaded VMWare benchmark, but it's so godawful when you over 20% CPU oversubscription (at stock 1600 speed).

I got meme'd hard. Not even my 6-year old Xeon E5-2687W was this bad, and I was running four more VDs on that than I did on the 1600.

>>60300584
Honestly, no. The 1800X is the best overclocker, but it doesn't matter much for how much more it costs.

>oy vey buy a 7700k so you can buy a new chipset in a year
great idea mr intel

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009910

This monitor any good?

Mostly for vidya and it's 199 on costco right now. Not really concerned with 1440p since I prefer high FPS smoothness.

Freesync goes from 48-144Hz too so if Vega turns out great I can grab one.

Gonna pair it with my 1600 OCed to 1600x levels and a 970 GTX until said Vega arrives then decide what to switch up to.

Which would be better, the ASUS 1080ti OC Strix or the EVGA 1080ti FTW3?

>>60300614
Why would they buy a new chipset in a year?

Whether you buy Intel or AMD right now you'll have to buy a new mobo and most likely a new CPU in 4-5 years anyway. Stop it with the AM4 argument, it's only valid for those who'll end up buying some low R5 or R3 and then would want to go R7, in other cases it literally doesn't fucking matter. Are you telling me you've bought a R5 and plan on buying Ryzen 2 chips next year or in 2 years? The irony.

>>60300698
The problem is intel's chipset is dead. DEAD.

Ryzen's chipset is supported for another 4-5 years. If someone down the line, say 4 years from now wants to upgrade their CPU, they don't have to buy another mobo for it.

It's better right now to buy an R5 + mobo and upgrade to Zen 2/3 down the line than to buy an i7 + mobo and then another i7 + mobo down the line.

>>60300698
>Why would they buy a new chipset in a year?
Why would they buy an old chipset when a new one is just around the fucking corner?
Especially since the new one won't be crippled by 4 cores?

You either go Ryzen or you wait a bit, if you're actually jumping on a 7700k, you're mentally damaged and even shitholes like /r/intel acknowledge this.

>>60299654
my home PC has a freesync monitor similar to that one and it's very nice
just make sure you have a compatible GPU

>>60300584
Why? Why don't you upgrade to the 3700X/3800X in 2 years? It'll probably be at least 20% better per core.

You aren't getting cucked with a socket change a year so I don't get why this would be a problem. You will get more from upgrading later than buying a 1800X now.

>>60300593
Virtual desktop? It's very good at it. You must have something configured wrong.

>>60300961
>It's very good at it
Don't bullshit me or anyone else here. Ryzen is abysmal for VDs, there is very little support from VMware, Oracle, or Citrix for the architecture.

>>60300951
MOAR CORZ

realistic CPU reviews with tiers when?
like a website that does
1) Low - Game + bare essentials only
2) Medium - Game + general usage, firefox/chrome with tags and youtube running in the background + voicechat client and whatnot
3) High - RENDERING/VMclient in the background while gayman
>>60301023
yeah let's all go back to Pentiums

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how does this look for a dedicated workstation and web browsing rig? It is overpowered or too much?

>>60301087

Need more fans.

>>60301087
You did good by buying an intel processor and not falling for the MOAR CORZ meme this place is spouting.

>>60301087
what do you mean by workstation exactly? what will you do, what programs specifically?

>>60301154
well everything school related so all Microsoft programs and i will be using photoshop for work and excel a lot also. i am trying to get a pc comparable to my macbook in terms of a speed and snappiness.

>>60301184
You will be doing great, enjoy your desktop macbook.

Hi /pcbg/, i built a computer with an i5 4670k a few years back and i was satisfied with 1080p60, but now i would like to move up to 1440p120 would my processor become a bottleneck if i were to pair it with a 1080ti?

>>60301205
i dont understand

can someone explain to me about vram and why i would want an x370 motherboard compared to the more cheaper B motherboards?

>>60301214
>1440p
Meme resolution, wait for 4k144.

And yes, it will bottleneck in heavily threaded games/applications.

what are some good air coolers for overclocking?
LGA 1150

>>60301238
Mugen Scythe

>>60301214
most likely yes, unless it's under heavy oc

>>60301184
You don't really need a $200 cpu for microsoft programs, excels & photoshop
Now if you want to get the speed of your macbook then sure it makes sense but it's still quite expensive

You should drop the CPU cooler, it's not needed.

WD black is not for you. Regular 1TB drives go for $50, WD black are more aimed at entreprises generally.
Those two fans are also not really needed either, nothing in your builds heats a lot if any

>>60301229
Thanks for the speedy reply anon, in your opinion would a 1600 be a good processor for 1440p120 or 4k144?

>>60301238
Whats your budget? If you don't mind dropping 90 USD go with an nh-15 or r1 ultimate

>>60299907
If you are gaming and not using productivity work, my opinion is keep the cpu and mobo buy a new gfx card if that is what you need then wait for something to bring a preety big improvement to the consumer market. Go for the gtx 1070 waiting is pretty much awaste of time since new hw are always gonna be released. For an example vega comes out and a few months later volta is been released. I wanted a ryzen 1600X but i got an i7 6700k for cheap cause r5 was gonna come out after a while. If you get a nice offer go for it without a second thought.

>>60301282
thank you for the input. ive never owned a pc and i dont want to build one then regret it because i dont want to drift back to my laptop

>>60301087
Don't get an i5
https://youtu.be/gUNAvkY6Ops
>>60301145
It's not a meme.. It's based on facts. Go back in the archives and look at the OP's. It's shifted over time based on tests.
But you're a shill, so fuck off either way.

4x4 vs 2x8 at the same frequency, is any one better than the other or is it insignificant?

>>60301087
Oh. Work station not games.
>>60301145
That makes you even moar retarded. Workstations love coarz.
>>60301087
Get the six core Ryzen. It'll last you around 4-5 years. The i5 will be obsolete soon.

is ambient as low as you should go for CPU cooling? would a wacky refrigerant based system even be worth it assuming i could mitigate condensation issues?

t. hvac dude.

>>60301310
>would a 1600 be a good processor for 1440p120 or 4k144?
Most likely it would be adequate at those resolutions in most games. The problem at those resolutions is almost certainly going to be GPU horsepower. The good thing about buying a nice AM4 motherboard now is that you can use it in a few years if you find that a 1600 isn't cutting it.

>>60301483
Possible? Yes. Worth it? Absolutely not.

>>60301512
>Worth it? Absolutely not.
why?

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Please help /g/

Currently rocking 520w Seasonic Bronze Certified PSU from a few years back

Can I stick a 1080 in this thing?

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>>60301544
CPUs operate above ambient temperature with zero problems whatsoever. I'm not sure why you would want to invest in some "wacky refrigerant based system" unless you were going for a world record overclocking.

>>60301556
Yeah you could but the PSU isn't the problem.

>>60299391
can someone who isn't handicapped explain to me what makes the msi carbon x370 more appealing than something like an asrock k4 x370 or the asus prime x370 pro?
What is it about that board that makes it the preferable budget x370? Aren't the vrm of lower quality than the asrock? or are they using a different config on the lower boards than the taichi?
really i just wanna know whats up with the hype behind this specific board, usually msi a shit

>>60301643
>I'm not sure why you would want to invest in some "wacky refrigerant based system"

i have a bunch of compressors, fittings, and other parts from work. figured it'd make a cool project (pun intended).

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>>60301680
I mean if you have all of the equipment and don't mind dicking around with it then go for it, but there really isn't going to be a tangible benefit. So worth it? People have been using LN2 for years to get overclocking records but I've only seen one permanently refrigerated consumer CPU. I guess if it's a fun project for you do it and post results.

Most CPUs are comfortable living for years of operation between 35-55C which is easily achievable with a basic bitch stock air cooler though, that's all I'm saying.

>>60301680
look into phase change or peltier plate cooling. you'll need a rad box and insulation. afaik something like a typical AC condesation unit could work, but it's far less efficient
>pros
bitchin' cooling, sick nast temps/oc potential
>cons
drinks power like a mother, literally makes more heat than it cools (like 400w to 100w iirc), need insulation, need rad box, need parts that wont suffer from cold bugs in extreme situations, far more places to fail
I say do it fuck these guys, it would be mad sick nasty brah
check out the cooling section on overclock.net, they actually know what they're talking about over there

>>60300242

My mom taught me that stupid people need to be exposed, so they don't infect their surroundings with more idiocy. I've been doing just that all over these forums since the game launched. Initially. I was giving people some slack. Okay, so the guy has a quad SLI computer, but doesn't know what an SLI profile is. Okay, maybe it's not common knowledge that DX 12 is a windows 10 exclusive feature. Okay, maybe people don't fully comprehend just how demanding the game is. Okay, maybe the guy really doesn't know that hardware has advanced since he bought his DDR2 rig with a GTX 280. Then I realized that the people who come here refuse to learn, don't actually want any help, and are all computer experts who have been gaming since the 1930s. Basically, tech supporting such elite gamers is a waste of everybody's time, and the fact that I've yet to see a single of my posts be deleted tells me that whoever's moderating this place finds it quite satisfying to read my gigantic educational rants about virtually everything including the actual deadliness and technique necessary to perform a chokehold.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06X3W9NGG/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=

The fuck? The 1700X just went down in price? That's a massive drop

>>60301724
well yeah, thats what i was wondering. if i went through the trouble was i going to be able to get an above average stable o.c. or am i just wasting my time to get results i could get with just a normal water/air cooled set up.

>>60300242
>what is go to gaming chip
>r7 and i7 trade blows, r7 only competes because of muh cores for price
>i7 for literally price of 1500x
>hurr durr i work for intel
I hope you clean the floors well, make sure you shine the shoes real well boy

How is the the logitech mk120 for a cheap keyboard + mouse combo?

>>60301783
Good to see some sellers dropping their prices. The 1700x, and the 1800x even moreso, are somewhat overpriced when the 1700 exists.

>>60301214
>>60301363
Yes, even overclocked to 5GHz that often won't be capable of 120fps smoothly in newer games.
You need at least a 4790k.

>>60301783
1700X and 1800X go on sale a lot. 1700 and 1600 are the big sellers.

>>60300961
>Why? Why don't you upgrade to the 3700X/3800X in 2 years?
Because my Q6600 has lasted me so far since 2007. I'm looking to replace it with something that will also remain capable for years to come.

>>60301917
>>60301903
Should I say fuck it and get the 1700X? That's a steal, and I was going to buy the R7 anyway.

>>60301992
for that price I would. no harm in paying another 14 bucks for a chip that should be binned at least a bit higher
are you really gonna be sweating that 14 bucks in a year?

>>60300666
Just pulled the trigger on this monitor, hopefully I didn't make a mistake.

Currently have an Asus 238VH.

>>60301992
wait until memorial day to see if there are any sales. it's less than 3 weeks away.

I'm considering a new GPU upgrade from a 970 to either a 1080ti or whatever AMDs Vega comes out with. I have an Acer Predator monitor 1440 with Gsync already.
Do I?

A. Wait for Vega and see what it offers in terms of performance, price and longevity?

B. Just get the 1080ti now

If it helps, I'm going to plumb the GPU into my custom loop.

>>60301992
Instead of the 1700? I would get the 1700x at that price if I were buying, yeah. Worth it IMO for the guaranteed stock speeds and lower power draw at desired clocks. Only potential bummer is I think you have to get an aftermarket cooler for the Ryzen SKUs like that 1700x that say WOF (without fan).

>>60299533
I feel the same, the only thing I feel I need to change is my 970 to at least a 980, I haven't even had the thing for two years yet

>>60302063
I'd say wait for Vega to see if it results in any price drops on the 1080ti. You fell for the Gsync meme so if that's important to you then you're obviously stuck with Nvidia.

>>60301992
Ya if you already planned on a dif cooler.

I got a 1600X instead of 1600 since it was on sale for $220 and I wanted a dif cooler.

AM4 will be around for a while. The cooler I got now I can use when I upgrade to the 3800X or 4800X or whatever I upgrade to.
Gotta think about it differently than intel has cuck-trained us.

So I got a new PSU, an EVGA 1000W G3, and some of the VGA cables have 2 8(6+2) power connectors on the same cable. Can I use one cable for a dual 8 pin GPU then? If not what are these cables used for?

>>60301544
>>60301483
You want to use a pelteir plate. Around 200-300w to get to -10 to +10c. You also need to strap a heat sink to the hot side of that. A lower wattage won't be responsive enough to keep temps low enough for an 'extreme' overclock to be stable.

>>60301643
>Yeah you could but the PSU isn't the problem.

I just want to make sure the PSU isnt an issue for now. Gonna upgrade later anyway.

>search newegg
>RX 560
>still no fucking results

Display not working, either through onboard or video card DVI. I just went back to my old card after new one not working, so the setup is fine, I just don't know if I fucked up reassembly somewhere.

>>60300531
I too am probably gonna build my first PC for Cybermonday to save some money.

I'm thinking about:
>GTX 1070 (or an AMD equivalent)
>i5 7600K
>12GB of RAM
>250GB SSD

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>>60302516
>i5 7600K

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>>60302516
>12GB of RAM

>>60302516
>cyber monday
>save money
honestly just pick parts up through flash sales, etc. you'll come out ahead on 9/10 components. I guarantee each of the components youll need will be on sale before then, ill bet money that not all of the ones you need will be on sale cyber monday/black friday
it's true anon
also
>7600k
>r5 exists
>12gb of ram
get your shit together man

>>60302435
I should mention that the screen lights up initially but then goes "DVI no signal".

Please help, the shit I'm reading online makes me think I shocked my mobo (even though I had a wristband on the whole time).

It's 32 GB of RAM a meme or I should go for it?

>>60302565
Fans spinning up? Diagnostic beeps?

>>60302532
What's wrong with an i5 7600K?

>>60302605
Shit in 2017.

>>60302597
All fans spinning. Makes the same startup noises it always does.

>>60302577
if you are making a new build i would start with 16gb and upgrade to 32gb if you really need it down the road. that's if you have four ram slots

>>60302615
Same motherboard? Did you just replace the GPU? Check PSU power connections, GPU power connections etc.

>>60302614
Let me guess... because it's not an i7.

>>60302605
too much for gaming

not enough for work

>>60302637
They would tell you the i7 is shit too because they're completely getting drunk drinking AMD sperm for a few months now.

With that said yeah the i5 wouldn't be really smart, go i7 or R5 1600.

>>60302605
meme version
>4 cores
>year of our lord two thousand and seventeen
realistic version
it is in a dead heat with the 1600 in terms of gaming, and with each update the small lead it may have grows smaller, and where it falls behind it falls further. You also get more than double the cache with an r5 as opposed to i5, as well as 50% more physical cores and a curb stomping 8 more threads, meaning its going to put the hurt on the i5 literally every where else
also, with the i5 you'll need a new mobo to upgrade to a cpu in a year, with the r5 you can upgrade cpu with the same mobo, cooler, and ram for the next 4 years at least
also, the 1600 comes with a cooler that you can get a modest OC out of, the i5 does not
beyond that, the r5 is more efficient, to my knowledge uses less power, and generates less heat, is also cheaper (at least compared to the 7600k, not to the 7600, but the r5 can overclock) and for maximum value you can easily get away with running a 6 core on a b350 board, a whopping 70-100 cheaper than most z270 boards, at least that you would be able to overclock on
in short, same gaming performance, annihilates it in everything else, better upgrade path, more efficient, less heat, cheaper, cheaper platform cost, comes with cooler you can put a small oc on
so yeah, i5 is pretty fucking stupid right now

>>60302637
No, it's shit because Ryzen 5 1600 exists at the same price point and has 200% more threads. If you want to be CPU bottlenecked by 4 cores and 4 threads being choked to death by modern workloads, then the i5 is for you. If you want a CPU with some room to breathe, then the 1600 should be what you buy.

>>60302686
>moar cores!

I almost exclusively use AMD cpus because of how jewy intel is, but come on, that's bullshit.

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>>60302674
I'm somewhat new to PC gaming.

Should I go with AMD for CPUs & GPUs?

>>60302733
depends on your budget for each, as well as intended gameplay, op lays it out pretty well
for cpus, its something like
>poverty - pentium
>poor - 1500x
>mid range - 1600
>high end, 4k - 1700
>high end, 144hz - 7700k
for gpu it gets more complicated, basically the most you'll ever need for 1080p144fps is something like a 1070, 1080 if you wanna be sure. 1080p60fps the 580 is the ticket, 1060 if for whatever reason it's much cheaper
really just depends on your use, budget, and sales/deals. neither is better overall, just better at different price points/use

>>60302622
Mobo and card are the same. Are there specific connections that deal with video output?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/TFfcr7

Trying to concoct the best 1440p productivity / non-gaming machine at the lowest price. Advice welcome.

Hey /g/

Decided to create my own graph with my 1800X. Basically its just some games that i have where i have benched them as low as possible till the highest i can go. Normally from 480p till 5k. My 1800x is overclocked modestly to about 3.9ghz. I've tried to tax the cpu as much as i can...

Ryzen is pretty 'Meh' about its usage in gaming, its mostly asleep 90% of the time. Obviously a lot of big names on the internet bench at low resolutions to get the cpu working as much as it possibly can, there are also some weird reactions to this as well. For me after the testing, it simply doesn't matter what resolution you run whilst gaming with a Ryzen chip.

It takes an enormous amount of time to test and put this together and this is only really interesting for people thinking of purchasing a Ryzen chip.

Here is the doc and numbers i have accumulated so far.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B345w9u1k74GeFdVNjQtQ3hVT3M

Hope potential buyers find it interesting and informative.

>>60302840
interesting data anon, actually pretty neat to see, kind of confirms my thoughts that ryzen a shit for 1080p, but hella competitive at 4k
>tfw an anonymous poster on an underground mongolian basket weaving enthusiast forum actually gleans better and more useful/interesting results than reviewers
thanks for running this, pretty interesting man

>>60302702
How is it bullshit? Look at any benchmark that shows the CPU workload during something like gaming. The 7600k is at its ceiling.

>>60302840
>>60302890
only beef would be the ram speed, would have liked that to be at 3200, or at least 2933, but you get what you get i guess. Would also be interesting to see the impact that ram scaling has in each of those situations, but thats beyond the scope of your study i suppose

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r8 me. getting close to buy time

>some gaymen, adobe suite, blender, zbrush
>not sure about ram but I want 32gb
>gonna stick with old video card until vega or volta

thoughts?

>>60303002
looks good, the corsair ssd and m.2 ssd combo is fucking retarded though, and you need a gpu

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>>60302664
lol no. 7600k sucks for lots of games from the past few years. Some it can barely maintain over 60fps. Stuttering mess.

At best you can get 100+fps in same newer games, but only by being at 100% on all 4 threads.
A 1500X or 7700k (4c/8t) is the minimum you should consider for gaming, but an overclocked 1600 is much better overall.

Even on an old ass game like Crysis 3, the 7700k dips to under 100fps in the benchmark while the 1600x stays over 120, even though the 7700k gets better averages

>>60302733
For 1080p monitor get a AMD RX580/480. 470/570 is fine for now, but wont have the longevity the 80's will.
For CPU. Nothing is worth it compared to AMD's current lineup. Try to get the six core rather than four if you can.
If you want more high end, in three weeks vega should be released. So prices of nVidia should come down. Or vega will be in your price range for better performance.
The six core will suit higher end cards.

>>60302892
How many people even need their CPU for other stuff while gaming? If you need to render a video in the background or something you probably already have an i7. You're trying to solve a problem that most people aren't dealing with.

>this MOAR COREZ samefag

>>60303065
>need their cpu for other stuff
>watching youtube on second screen
>listening to music
>talking on skype/teamspeak/discord
>torrenting
>web browser with 50 tabs open
>recording tv/movie
>running some kind of service in the background
>streaming
>recording gameplay
just off the top of my head

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what do yall think about this for solidworks
cant decide on ram.
$3kUSD budget
other smaller parts are already chosen.

>>60303065
>You're trying to solve a problem that most people aren't dealing with.
The point is that the i5 has zero breathing room even if we're just looking at games alone. The 4 cores of an i5 are already near 100% usage when paired with a competent GPU, forget about background tasks (even though we shouldn't forget about background tasks, because what the fuck).

It'd be one thing if there was no other option but an i7 that's $100 more, but that's not the case now with stuff like the r5 1600 existing.

>>60303086
Most of those have negligible impact on performance or are GPU-accelerated. Streaming is probably the only thing that would actually require you to buy a beefier CPU. Youtube? Who the hell watches youtube while gaming? You're literally making up scenarios to prove a point.

>>60303002
Change out the noctua for something cheaper. They shill to hard to give them any money.
I think you need to rethink your SSD's. Not sure of intent there.
The corsair seems expensive for the amount of storage.

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>>60303105
im sorry that was a shit picture

>>60303121
just post the link dumpass

>>60303110
holy shit really? I watch shit on youtube all the time while I game, for fucks sake. or watch some tv or a movie or something, really not out of the case. And skype can use a fuckton of cpu, dont underestimate microsofts ability to hire pajeets to fuck literally everything in the code up
firefox/chrome with plenty of extensions like a lot of people here run will eat up resources too. Recording can be gpu accelerated with shit like relive or shadowplay but the quality is fucking trash

>>60303119
Noctua is the only good CPU Cooler right now that works out of box with AM4. I don't want to wait for a bracket

>>60303121
You might want to try another thread. Like servers etc. Check the catalog regularly, they do pop up.
Xeons are a bit more complicated to recommend/take recommendations here.

>>60302618
What if I bought 1 DIMM of 16 GB and leave the other 3 slots free and eventually upgrade with another one of 16 GB, having enought room for eventually add 32 GB more...

>>60303106
>zero breathing room
At 720p low settings? Remember when Ryzen launched and AMDfags were whining that doing CPU benchmarks at 1080p weren't fair since if you bought an 1800X you would be gaming at 1440p or 2160p? Remember how Ryzen's weaker single-threaded performance didn't matter since games are all GPU-bottlenecked? It's hilarious that the same people who whined about unrealistic benchmarks are trying to do the same thing here. Yeah, I'm sure the dude running a 6600K at 720p/low will be very disappointed in his CPU's performance.

>>60303163
thermalright is shipping all of their coolers with am4 brackets now

>>60303140
tried to make list public on newegg, cant find it on public list though.

>>60303168
thank you, im just worried about the ram though, any thoughts?

>>60303110
At least two of the guys I game with have a Twitch stream open while they play games. Usually they bring up a stream of whatever game they're playing so they maybe can learn new stuff from the stream while they play. Other times it's because the game being played has a lot of downtime that they fill by watching the steam for a minute. So no, watching streaming video isn't a made up scenario. And I'm not even the anon you're responding to. Just because you don't do a thing doesn't mean nobody does and you should never consider that use case.

Not like it matters anyway, since we can already see current games pegging i5s at 100%. Gamers are already moving on to i7s because the writing is on the wall for i5s. Quadcores are deprecated for gaming and you'd be an idiot to buy one if you know about the R5 1600 and it's in your budget.

>>60303119
>>60303017
nvme drive is for productivity's sake, mainly premier and after effects. I also get to keep the os on it's own drive which is my preference. The ssd is for the steam library, smaller projects, ext. HDD is for archival.

>>60303175
Nah, you're just being a phaggot now.

Ryzen 7 is a different animal altogether and should be criticized vs. the 7700k as far as gayming is concerned, but Ryzen 5 competes directly with i5 in both price and performance and pretty much takes a cheeky shit on it and it's only going to get worse. Check some recent 1080p high/ultra benchmarks to see what I'm talking about. (You won't though.)

I own a 5820k in case you think I'm some kind of AMDfag. I'm just really sick of corelets fucking up these threads.

>>60303203
I'd go corsair. Both ram kits are specked the same, but one is vastly cheaper. Only thing that would raise concerns of is that they are using 'inferior' modules. But I'd suspect Kingston to be the band that would do such a thing.
Because you're high end I'll send you off to learn about who made what on each. You'll gain some useful knowledge for your job that you can impress people with.
I'd still go cheaper tho.

Is there a general consensus as to what's the best and most compatible mATX AM4 mobo? B350 preferably.

>>60303214
>Quadcores are deprecated for gaming
That's why the Pentium G4560 can run any game just fine as long as you pair it with a 1060 or lower right? Or how an i3 7350K can match i7 performance in games?
>Not like it matters anyway, since we can already see current games pegging i5s at 100%
Which ones? Rise of the Tomb Raider has a CPU-bottleneck in the Geothermal Valley but it rapes every CPU. So does Watch Dogs 2 with the Extra Details, but it's also meant to push your CPU to the limits. The vast majority of games aren't CPU-bottlenecked at all though. Deus Ex manking Divided is probably the most demanding game out right now and CPU usage only hits like 50%.

>>60303300
>useless deflections
How about for $200 you can be CPU bottlenecked sometimes or for $200 you can be CPU bottlenecked never? Which one would you choose?

>>60303065
>How many people even need their CPU for other stuff while gaming?
Almost everyone?...
Anyone with two monitors that wants to watch youtube or twitch or something on the other monitor
Anyone with discord and other messenging services.
Anyone that keeps their browser open while playing.

The people that turn on their computer, play a game, turn off their computer, who use their PC like a gaming console, are the exception and not the rule.
AND EVEN THEN the i5-7600k is pretty dogshit and a 1500X would be better for them.

The locked i7-7700 non-k is faster in gaming on average than a 5GHz overclocked 7600k, let alone a stock 7600k. And the 1500X at 4GHz is 90-105% the performance of the 7700.
The 7600k is okay on some games, but if you want something that's just okay at some games then you get the G4560.

>>60303105
You know a single 1800X would generally perform around the same as those two Xeons combined.
A GTX 970 is also perfectly adequate for Solidworks, in my experience, for much cheaper than the P4000.

>>60303260
Fair enough. Still that corsair SSD seems overpriced. I'm rocking RAID0 on el'cheapo Kingston SSD's. Still often first in game.
You can't make full use of the speed of RAID0 SSD's unless your data is totally uncompressed. But that takes up a hell of a lot of data.
Just food for thought.

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>>60303300
lol. Ryzen seemingly performing bad in Geothermal valley has NOTHING to do with how hard it is on CPUs.
It has to do with Nvidia's driver gimping it and 99% of """"professional tech analysts""" only testing on Nvidia GPUs.

>>60303346
>Nvidiatel denialists utterly btfo

>>60303346
>adoredTV

>>60303294
thank you,

these questions can go to anyone but thank y'all for replying.

should I be worried about non ecc ram with any server boards/CPU?

I'm not computing medical data or stupid complex sensitive models pretty much just designing car parts.

should I really be worried about the ECC error correction?

On my current non-Xeon SolidWorks rig I use gaming ram, its pretty much a gaming computer with a FirePro card.

>>60303324
this is for solidworks and mainly rendering of parts, I have not seen any data on the 1800x and SW but I will look in to it, thank you.

>>60303387
The was one of the Australian guys if I remember, not Adored. Hardware unboxed maybe? Not really known for being biased.

What do you guys think of the new RX GPU series?

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>>60303346
This happens in lots of games with an Nvidia GPU.
A single Ryzen core will only get to 80-83% utilization. AMD GPUs dont' have that problem.

When Ryzen 7 launched, we saw lots of benchmarks that not only saw it behind the 7700k on average (which was expected), but also well behind the 6900k, which didn't make sense since the 1800X is significantly faster than the stock 6900k. The reason was Nvidia's driver.
There's only a small handful of games that also perform worse than expected with an AMD GPU. One of those is Watch Dogs 2. Another was Ashes and Total Warhammer, which already got patched and perform well on it now.

A lot of shills are going to get BTFO when Vega arrives and there's no longer an excuse for those professional shills to only draw conclusions and recommendations based on pairing with a $700 Nvidia GPU.

>>60303408
>new
It's just rebadged 480/470. The 560 is a little more powerful than the 460 but that's not a big deal seeing as how under powered the 460 was for the price.

They're okay.

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>>60303408
RX500? They are good.

I'd just recommend an RX570 4GB for 1080p, though. The RX580 8GB is a good 1440p card. Just turn settings down to high/very-high in a few games to stay over 60.
The extra VRAM and CUs don't help much at 1080p.

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>>60303324
>AND EVEN THEN the i5-7600k is pretty dogshit
>The 7600k is okay on some games
I don't get why /g/ even bothers talking about vidya when it's just shilling, I get why you like AMD but you don't have to lie. A 6600 almost matches an i7 and AMD's 8 core, and it's an AMD sponsored game which is meant to show off Ryzen. If you had a 6600K/7700K and overclocked it you could easily hit stock 4C/8T performance.

Australia 1080p/60fps, considering increasing resolution/framerate after upgrading.

Currently running a 380 thinking of upgrading, the 380 is holding out fine for most things at 1080p/60fps but I want to get something nice now that I have a bunch of money stashed away. I was thinking of picking up a 1080 but I don't really follow the GPU market and I know Vega is around the corner. Should I be waiting? In the past new card releases haven't seemed to effect prices very quickly here in Aus so I don't know if I should bother waiting.

>>60303456
>everything i7 hitting an engine/GPU wall at 144
That's the only reason that the i5 looks close there. I don't speak mongoloid languages so I don't know what else that graph is trying to prove. Link some first world benchmarks and maybe we'll keep talking, corelet.

>>60303300
>1060 or lower
that's called moving the goalposts, guy. If I'm referencing i5s, you should know what market segment I'm talking about, and it isn't the budget segment. In fact, the context of this entire reply chain is in relation to a 7600k paired with a 1070. I have no idea what point you're trying to prove, but as far as I can tell, you're not doing a good job. As for the 7350k, every review I've seen agrees that it's completely underwhelming.

>Which ones?
>proceeds to answer his own question
In addition, Battlefield 1, Total War: Warhammer, and others. That's four games just there. I'm not going to bother looking for others, because it's pretty general knowledge that games are starting to utilize more threads. Multithreading is built into all the major development APIs now. I don't know what else I could do other than print out a sheaf of fact sheets for you, roll them up, then hit you over the head with them until these things reach you in some meaningful way.

>>60303456
>one game being fine means the 7600k doesn't suck dick on many others
I recommend poison.

So, I'm finally going to upgrade my PC from the Q6600 build I put together in 2008.

I have no idea what the fuck to look for when it comes to motherboards. Who are the reliable manufacturers? What chipsets should I be looking for? Why the fuck is every single motherboard I look full of these bullshit colorations and graphics instead of just being a motherboard?

I'm getting a 1600X, fyi.

>>60303497
>that's called moving the goalposts, guy.
You can't say quadcores are deprecated if dual cores with hyperthreading are still relevant and can even keep up with the big boys in most games.
>Battlefield 1
The 7600K gets the exact same framerate as the 6700K and like 1fps lower than the 7700K. Seriously, what is it with Ryzen proponents and lying? Seriously the AMD shilling is out of control on this board.

>>60303559
Asus, MSI and Gigabyte are reliable manufacturers for mobos

look at what CPU you want and it will tell you what hcipset it is, pair that up with a motherboard as that will tell you what chipsets it supports

>>60303456
>top two CPUs hitting a frame limit
>6600 not hitting the frame limit
>the 6600 "matches" those processors

That benchmark is useless for analyzing the performance of the 6700 or 1800X since we have no idea how many frames they can actually draw. Also, I know everyone thinks they're entitled to an opinion, but when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, you should spend your time asking more questions than giving opinions.

>>60303392
Grab EEC if it's not much more in cost. It should save you some time down the line. Given you'll be using most that RAM. If you're just going overkill on RAM it shouldn't matter too much. You might have a fuck up once a year.
EEC only really comes into play when you're crunching numbers flat out. There's a lot more software that's being run to correct soft errors.
Nature of the beast. If you knew how much your computer actually fucked up data you'd never step on a plane.
EEC came about with space flight because of radiation bombarding the chipsets causing a stupid amount of errors.

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>>60303607
The 7600k gets absolutely murdered in BF1 multiplayer (the reason you buy the game) like any other i5 would.

>You can't say quadcores are deprecated if dual cores with hyperthreading are still relevant
They are relevant for 60 fucking dollars you literal turd. It's expected that their performance isn't going to be without its drawbacks. How this relates to a $240 4c/4t chip being a good buy is absolutely beyond comprehension. You are the biggest asshole in /pcbg/ in ages.

I did it guys. I bought a 1700X for $330

I bet it's going to go on sale by memorial day even cheaper than that and I'm going to regret it

>>60303607
>still ignoring context
>what's are 0.1 and 1% lows?
Tell yourself whatever you want, but I don't think I'm shilling when I say that quadcores in general are deprecated. I know the 7700k is the best gaming CPU at the moment, and I know that something like the G4560 is great for budget. The issue you seem to be having is that you want the era of the 2500k to continue, but it's over.

>>60303609

How's ASUS on graphics cards?

Considering getting the 1080ti OC Strix.

>>60303655
>They are relevant for 60 fucking dollars you literal turd.
Getting the same framerates as an i5 and i7 in most games doesn't just make 4T relevant, but just shows how little CPU's matter for gaming in most cases. The MOAR COREZ era still isn't here despite what Ryzen shills keep saying.

can anyone point out to me why the msi x370 pro carbon is being touted as the go to board for valu for x370? what makes it better over like the asrock x370 killer? as far as I can tell the vrm is actually better on the asrock, as well as the fact that the board is cheaper and seems to offer the same/more features

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Are you fucking serious?

I7 4790k owner here, i see that in msi ab all my cores are at 80-90% usage in gaming.
How much of an upgrade will the i7 7770k be for me? Ofcourse it comes with a new mobo and good ddr4 sticks against my no name ddr3 ram.

>>60303726
>The MOAR COREZ era still isn't here despite what Ryzen shills keep saying.
How does that have anything to do with i5's being a good buy? You keep moving the goalposts now that the G4560 has been brought up. Nobody is disagreeing that 2c/4t Pentiums are an awesome deal for the price. $240 i5s are horseshit when the 6c/12t 1600 exists and performs the same or better in gaming.

>>60303639
gotcha, what you said is kind of along the lines of my thought process. I posted two pictures in the thread of my build cart, I fucked up on one image so look at the second.

the price difference is about $200USD

thank you

>>60303825
Not much, you will still have 80-90% usage in games. It's the limitation of 4 physical cores and games optimizing for higher cores today.

>>60303105
you can pick up two of the 2670s on ebay for 150 total
>>60303324
as i understand it quadros can provide a good amount of performance over a gtx card, see
www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Why-you-should-use-a-Quadro-video-card-in-Solidworks-2016-751/#Conclusion
also, a single 1800x will not perform around the same as those xeons, see
www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=1220&cmp[]=2966
it beats one xeon by roughly 25%, that changes when you throw the second one in. not to mention support for more ram, etc, as well as a lower cost of entry. you can get both the xeons, a mobo, and 32gb of ecc ram for the same price as an 1800x with a good x370 mobo
>>60303392
i wouldnt worry about ecc, although used server ram is cheap as hell on ebay
also see above for comparison of 1800x and 2670 (single cpu set up, just double it for dual)
also, if you have fire pro why not stick with that? quadros are fuckin expensive man

>>60303825
You might as well go ryzen if you need to get a new mobo. Shoot me an e-mail with your receipt and I'll give you a $20 mail in rebate

I'm going to buy a Ryzen / Vega build when it comes out.

>>60303906
what is this fresh false flag trip hell

>>60303825
you should take the advice here >>60303726 and upgrade to a G4560

>>60303906
Is this for real? I bought a Ryzen processor earlier today.

is the vive the vr headset?

>>60303901
I want new xeon processors, purchasing from newegg would imply new processor unless specifically stated REFURB, correct? buying them used isnt really needed for my budget.

I want those cuda cores for rendering time, quadro is more developed on the newer SW it seems, also trying to get 8gb vram.

yes this will for sure be dual cpu so Ill stay away from the 1800x then

thank you for the ram tip, that was my main concern.

>>60303933
It's the guy who kept saying

>moar corez

To everyone who recommended ryzen, Imagine being THIS fucking butthurt about fucking CPUs, fucking hell.

>>60303998
im fairly certain even the ones from newegg are refurbs, just a heads up. Might want to call and ask or dig around a bit. I figured cuda was the selling point, I really cant blame you there. No problem about the ram, it really is a great deal for now, and no need to worry about ecc either way for your work.

>>60303875
EEC can go fuck its self for that price. Still the same guy. Didn't notice one was EEC.
Save that $200 for the next build you may want in around a year and a half. Still ask around about Xeons, for that extra $200 I'd imagine you can get much better ones.
Assuming what you're doing will take use of them. Still take the time to learn what you can, it'll help you out in your career greatly.
It's a big part of the reason Aussies are still making shit for GM despite our wages being much higher.

>>60304021
wow
gotta justify spending mommy's money on a worse product somehow i guess

you don't see intel offering discounts on their processors on /g/. props to amd

>>60304079
thats kinda what I thought, from what I understand they're so cheap because the market is flooded with used chips from server farms upgrading their hardware and the newer versions are a bit more powerful and sip less power, but the price for the V3 or newer chips is crazy. (dont quote me on that)

>>60304082
okay thank you

I appreciate y'alls help, first time building a real workstation and not just a gaming setup with a "pro" card

>>60304126
lol and now the trip is off holy fuck

>>60304160
thats exactly why they're cheap. when the v2 launched it was like 1600 a piece
get while the gettin's good

>>60303755
1920x1200 is dead :(

>>60303825
>How much of an upgrade will the i7 7770k be for me
Less than 10%. The IPC increase is very low, and it just overclocks a bit higher (at stupid power usage).
Get a 1600X. In some cases it'll be slower, but generally much less worse dips and lots more CPU utilization left over.
You may want to just stick with your 4790k and wait for the 2600X or 3600X. That's a great CPU for its time and still remains good.

>>60304160
Ryzen CPUs do support ECC as long as the motherboard does.
You can actually find ECC for cheaper 'cause used server stuff is cheap.

>>60299962
The 6900k beats the 1800x? On what planet?

>>60304171
gotcha, newegg is offering a two or three year replacement warranty on them, even if theyre actually not brand new. So ill pick them up there more likely than ebay.

>>60304201
problem with amd is SW support, they sure do love intel/nvidia.
current workstation is a watercooled/oc 8350 with a firepro card, it gets the job done but id rather fuck the job to death and move on faster.

I appreciate all input though

>>60299391
PC is switching off mid game but runs fine other wise. CPU is never going above 52c and GPU never goes above 71c so it's not heat switching it off. It just turns off with half a beep. Any ideas?

>>60304252
Yeah I know softworks likes Nvidia GPUs, but are you sure about the CPU?
Can you show me the source? I have a client that uses SW so I'd be interested in seeing R7 performance on it.

>>60304317
What gpu and cpu and psu do you have?

So I have heard from these threads you want more out-take fans rather than intake or just more air moving out than in for negative pressure. But my friend is arguing that more in than out is better, is there any reason to do more in than out? Doesnt that fuck it a bit?

>>60304352
No, there is only so much air you can put into your computer before it becomes pressurized. Think of it like a water bottle. When you take a deep breath and blow into the water bottle eventually you can't add anymore air, right? That's how a computer works. The fan in the back will digest all the air out. It's fine.

>>60304317
If temps are fine, the problem is usually PSU.

>>60304352
Wait what, who says that? You want positive pressure, and intakes gives you better control of dust with dust filters. Outtake will go out anywhere and clogs those spots with dust.

I'm wanting to build a "best bang for your buck" PC for 1080p @ 60Hz within the next week or so. If I want to upgrade to whatever res @ 144Hz in maybe a year from now what parts should I spend the most money on right now?

>>60304323
im referring to solidworks 2017, im sorry I didnt mean to confuse it with SoftWorks?

imo for SW, it loves cores, so why not give it all I can?

only real info I can find on SolidWorks17 with Ryzen, from what ive read on the forums in the past minutes, I dont think ryzen is officially supported/recommended by SW
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/SOLIDWORKS-2017-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-908/

>>60304317
Could be that you have pockets of hot air in your case that build up and eventually cause the mobo to fail. I had that issue when i had two low-rpm fans at front and no exhaust, heat from graphics card would build up and cause the chipset to overheat.

>>60304430
CPU.

>>60304348
Ryzen 5 1600
radeon rx 580

Not sure on the power supply make. I took it out of my old machine to test if it was a power supply problem.

>>60304389
Same problem on 2 PSUs seems unlikely. I ever changed power cables in case

>>60304462
That would be extremely difficult considering I have the case open on both sides

Hi /pcbg/, building a gaymen PC for my little bro. 2500 USD budget and this is what I have so far.

Need help on the Mobo.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j8zdWX

>>60304443

to back up my more cores theory, only real benchmark relating to the processors im looking at directly, the first version E5-2670 is a "synthetic" benchmark that simulates a solidworks load

http://www.techspot.com/review/1155-affordable-dual-xeon-pc/page4.html

>>60304506
Why are you trying to get people to buy xeons instead of ryzen cpus.

>>60304533
Ive been asking for recommendations about my next workstation build, no one else here has mentioned specifically buying xeon over ryzen nor am I telling anyone to buy xeons other than myself...

>>60304481
I did try another graphics card and that would freeze for a moment every so often but didn't completely shut the machine down. Would this imply anything?

>>60304498
looks great. enjoy your ryzen

>>60304594
Thanks, but it's not mine.

And I really have no idea where to start on the mobo.

Which combo should I get?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3468060

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3468062

The first combo is $50 more, but is there much of a difference with the motherboards?

>>60304443
Oh no I meant Solidworks and just mistyped. Freudian slip from all this multitasking.

>>60304443
That result looks good.
Slower than the 6900k in some cases(file save, transforms), faster in others(rebuilds, simulations).
It seems to me like the dual Xeon system would be much worse.

>>60304498
Wait for Vega when you're going to spend that much.
And are those fans really that good and worth twice as much as Artic Silent fans? Has someone actually done a good comparison review?
And christ that case is huge. Ryzen doesn't need that much serious cooling and Vega won't either.

>>60304498
How important is a fully modular power supply? You could get a Seasonic PSU of the same spec for cheaper.
Also if you don't already have a monitor & headphone/speaker setup to match that grade of PC, spend less on fans and more on those. A/V is the best investment for gaming enjoyment.

>>60304627
my big deal is rendering/time, I dont notice/care for the (milli)seconds of difference between processors when opening a file/small tasks, I dont want to mix ryzen with the quadro card I have planned either.but I understand what youre saying.

this helps back up my multi cpu plan and shows efficiency of the dual compared to single for multiple tasks in solidworks 2016 specifically
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Solidworks-2016-Multi-Core-Performance-741/

also, the 6900k is like $900 alone(?), my budget is roughly $3kUSD for an entire rig, the dual e5-2670 are dirt cheap


I dont want to wait for vega on this build nor have something that isnt "supported/developed" by SW as a company, im not worried about that with intel chips and a quadro gpu

>>60304619
First one has more phases that should give a better overclock. If you're not going to overclock go cheaper. Not sure if it would also boost XFR tho. But it would be minimal at best.

the 1700X is only $10 more than the 1700

Which would be better if I'm going to overclock? People say you can't overclock the 1700X and because of that the 1700 is better and faster when you OC

>>60304835
First I'm hearing of that. X is better binned. I'd say they're shilling to lower AMDs sales. (yes that's how shilld work, playing both fields)

Ryzen 7 1700
93% reach 3.8GHz @ 1.376V
70% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.408V
20% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.440V

Ryzen 7 1700X
100% reach 3.8GHz @ 1.360V
77% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.392V
33% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.424V

Ryzen 7 1800X
100% reach 3.8GHz (assumed)
97% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.376V
67% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.408V
20% reach 4.1GHz @ 1.440V

>>60304735
I wasn't saying to wait for Vega. Nvidia is better for Solidworks afaik.
I was saying that I think a 1700X or 1800X would be better than the dual xenons. And cheaper.

>>60304835
1700X obviously. Better binned.

>>60304886
That's really good to hear. I read a few places where people were saying the X models don't overclock that well at all. Makes me feel glad I spent the extra 10 dollars.

>>60304890
gotcha, I understand, Ill check out if thats the way I want to head. thank you

>>60304886
I've always wondered, does voltage kill your CPU when you have adequate cooling?

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how good is the 2500k still?
my current system has one, never overclocked. plus 2x 7870ghz.
I was thinking of getting Vega when it comes out, but will the 2500k be gimping it? should I just go full Ryzen and re-do the entire build?

>>60304931
The voltage physically displaces the materials in the chip. Cooling slows down the decomposition. Hence why Ln2 can achieve some imprecise clocks at stupid volts, but not for long; see suicide runs.
Basically your CPU is slowly destroying its self. Adequate cooling preserves it. It's basically a question of physics than turning shit molten.

>>60304968
Depends on the resolution and which vega.
At 1080p a 2500K is just about fast enough to fully utilise a GTX 970 tier GPU but at 4K it should be fine up to 1080ti at max OC CPU+RAM.

>>60303475
Bump.

tldr should I wait for vega before buying a 1080?

>>60304993
Impressive*
With the voltage high you're slowing mixing up the shit embedded into the silicon. It'll move some metal over and bring glass back, weakening the effectiveness of the transistors ect.

>>60305004
I plan on staying at 1080p and going freesync. higher resolution doesn't interest me much, smoother/higher FPS gameplay does.

though I'm thinking now I might just shell out for the best value ryzen and the biggest vega. I want a build I can sit on for as long as I've sat on this one.

but hey maybe I'll get a lower-tier vega and keep with the WAIT(tm).

Let's say I have $100 wiggle room in my build. My price point overall is roughly $800. Ideally I'd like a processor in the $200 price range. Is there any universe where i5 7500 makes more sense than Ryzen. Better off with 1500x or 1600 as primarily a gamer?

>>60304968
Even at 4K, the 2500k very well may hold back Vega.

4c/4t can't hold a consistent 60fps+ in many newer games. Especially with anything running in the background.
Maybe you should use that money to just get an RX570 and 1600X instead if you can't afford Vega along with mainboard/CPU/RAM.

>>60305136
>Is there any universe where i5 7500 makes more sense than Ryzen
No, never, for nothing. Not even gaming.

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>>60304968
It's starting to depreciate. See pic.
It would be gimping it, but throwing a higher tier GPU will produce more frames on any CPU, than a lower tier GPU.
>>60305071
I recommend you go 1440 and a 1600X if you want the best from Vega. For 1080 it'll be over kill by a large margin.
But that depends on if you play competitive shooters or not. 1080 is fine for CD:GO. But if you play graphical pretty games you'd want to upgrade the entire rig.
If you only want 1080p Wait for Vega and pick up a 1070-80, as they should be heavily discounted if all goes well.
Not sure how a 5080 stacks up on what you're currently playing with those cards, but consider it for an inbetween upgrade.

Rx 560 when? Good alternative to the RX 560?

>>60305203
1050Ti if you can find one for around $100. It's not as fast, though, I don't imagine. But lower power usage, I'm sure.

RX460 used to be good when you could unlock the locked CUs and overclock it

>>60305198
RX580**
Fucking force of habit.

>>60305178
Typically speaking for a gamer would the 1600 or 1500x be the better buy if the $30ish dollars isn't an issue (however let's say the extra $40 on top of that for 1600x and an additional cooler might be too much)?

>>60305198
>>60305178
I feel like the biggest thing that bugs me in most games though is framerate inconsistency, stuttering, general lack of smoothness and low FPS looking bad and feeling slow. I think I would sacrifice color, overall settings, etc. for smoothness. the monitor I am using now is great for what it is, but it's still a relatively old 60hz 1080p monitor. I really want to try out freesync or g-sync. freesync just seems overall a better value. I could buy something like a 1070 and just stick with my current monitor for a while more, but I think I want to experience more of an upgrade if that makes sense. so I will probably go full ryzen + vega with say a 1440 freesync monitor.

but then I will feel bad for my poor 2500k having never been put to full use. but then I feel the same about my 455...
I guess I should just sell all my old gear instead of trying to finagle some use scenario out of it. I have a bunch of old cards too...

>>60305290
I should add cost isn't really an issue, I have money. but I want to hit the value sweet spot for "high end" gaming if that makes sense. spending a ton more for 10 more FPS is just a waste of money to me.

>>60305290
>>60305307
If ya know any young people that normally wouldn't have a PC let alone one that can game I think they'd appreciate it. Think you'd gain solace from that too.
1440 is the way to go. I'm on a 24" K242HL OC'd to 71Hz. 1080 at that size is absolute max. I do notice the difference even with an extra 11 frames. So you going to 100+ will be an eye opener, let alone the definition of 1440.
After 27" is where most people will start thinking about 4k. But frankly GPU tech is not there yet to pay it much mind.
Go to a store that has monitors to actually see for yourself what they're like. If you're lucky you may have a PC shop with a demo set up. Even if it's ment for a game, ask if they can throw on monitor X so you can see.

>>60305290
Well the thing is, you generally can't drop settings to increase CPU bottlenecked framerate. Those settings are predominantly all GPU-dependent.
I'm pretty sure your two 7870 were roughly bottlenecking it. My 2500k bottlenecked my 7970 in some newer games.

But what you say describes exactly why the 1600/1600X is so good. It doesn't stutter. It doesn't dip as hard.
I switched to a 1600X. I'm so happy now even with the same 7970. It was the 2500k and having a HDD instead of SSD holding it back.

I can't decide if I want to get this, or if I want to get something a bit cheaper. Do you guys think this is a good build?

>NZXT Phantom 630
>Aerocool 750w
>16GB kit (2x8) GeiL evo potenza
>i7 7700k
>msi Z270 SLI Plus mobo
>Intel SSD 540 240G 2.5in
>MSI GeForce GTX 1080

So, I'm building a dedicated capture machine, and I need a 1 slot low profile GPU.
It needs to actually be a 1 slot, I require the other slot for the capture card.
Is a GT 730 the best option?

>>60305476

It is a good build, depending on what you want to use it for. It seems like it would be used for 1440p gaming.

>>60305507
I'm not really sure on what monitor to get. I just looked at the monitor I was looking at and its only 144hz 1080p

>>60305553

If you want to stick with that monitor, you could save some money and move to a gtx1070. It would be able to provide plenty of FPS at 1080p.

>>60305476
>intel SSD
because two shitty intel components just isn't shitty enough?

>>60305495
There are single slot RX550 and 1050Ti.

>>60305566
Thanks mate you've given me a lot to think about

>>60305581
I just kinda rolled the dice for the SSD.

>>60305401
>>60305383
thanks for the input, I'm decided on getting a ryzen now. would the 7870s or my old 5870 or 460 be any use in an HTPC? like for running intensive options in madvr or mpv? the 2500k build will probably become the new HTPC.

I would say I could use the old GPUs for playing couch games on my HTPC, but I don't see how that would be any better than just streaming the games from my main over ethernet, which is already connected to my main for internet and file sharing purposes.

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2017 Q1 hdd failure rate

>>60305628
Those are too large and high heat for an HTPC imo. Ima just make a shrine for my favorite 7970 once Vega comes, cause I love that card.

An RX560 would be good. But I'd wait for Raven Ridge for HTPC.

>>60305672
Care to explain how to read that correctly?
Also post SSD's if ya got it.

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>>60305703
second column is specific HDD models
last column is failure rate of those
Don't buy an ST4000DX000, pic related

>>60305672
what's the space sweet spot these days? 4tb? 8? I need more drives for hoarding.

What's a good heatsink to use for a 1600x?

>>60305721
I meant more of an explanation of how those figures are attained. And agreed that seagate is shit.
My trouble in reading that is that the drive counts vary widely, giving a perspective bias feel.

Someone make new thread soon.

For gaming and running lightly threaded applications as fast as possible and never worrying about memory again. Yes I'm rich don't call me a troll. This is not a budget or value build. I have the 1080 GTX over the Ti because my previous build had it and it's good enough for now.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jfhh8K

>>60305771
>nearly $500 in RAM
>only DDR4-2400

Anybody run overclocked Celeron G3900? Seems like a fun thing to do.

>>60305771
lol.
I don't want to give advice. I just wanna' watch you waste money not knowing what you're doing.

>>60300063
Get the 1700 and a better mobo.

>>60305672
backblaze isn't really reliable although I do believe that seagate is bad and knew a lot of people who had their drives fail. Don't buy 2013-2015 seagate drives.

seagate drives include drives with ST prefix on their serial numbers like this pic >>60305721

avoid transcend and samsung even the ssds. both are seagate companies.

buy wd drives or better buy bitachi and toshiba and if available buy hgst or ibm drives.

>>60305383
>After 27" is where most people will start thinking about 4k.
If I never plan to go past the 24" point for monitors will I be fine sticking with 1080p for the forseeable future? Am I missing out greatly by not adopting 4k? I don't really keep up to speed with tech trends so I don't know if 4k is well on its way to becoming standard. I just can't see myself needing that much screen real estate for my personal computing and Dota 2. And for any video media I'd use my TV anyway.

>>60306113
>Am I missing out greatly by not adopting 4k?
no
1440p isn't even full standard yet, don't worry about 4k, it's a poor investment right now if you're not doing work that requires it

might be a retarded question but just to be sure

if you get a 1440p monitor and a 1080p monitor, both 24", and you set the 1440p's resolution to 1080p, will there be any visual difference between the 2 1080p?

>>60306152
A bit. Upscaling isn't get when it's not 50% or 100% higher.
1080p upscaled to 4k looks much better. But 1440p native looks better than 1080p upscaled.

so I did a build for giggles on pcpartpicker using a ryzen 1600 and an rx580 in place of vega. people tell me to finally move on prom 1080p, but it seems crazy to me the monitor costs like twice what the GPU or CPU do. and aren't there still games that I could not maintain 60 on at that resolution with an "AMD setup"? I know there are cheap 1440 monitors but I really want freesync precisely to deal with tearing and FPS drops.

>>60306202
I think you read that wrong. I meant to lower the 1440p monitor's resolution to 1080p. Will that get you the exact same experience as a 1080p monitor at 1080p?

>Start GPU stress test furmark
>10 minutes in the PC turns it's self off
>Repeat test
>Same thing

Does this confirm defective GPU or is there an alternative problem it could be? I recorded HWmonitor as I did the test and can check that video if it helps at all.

>>60299628
It depends on the mounting holes in the Mini-Midtower but the chances that a ATX case has mounting holes for both ATX and mATX is about 99.9%. I don't think I've ever seen any ATX case where you couldn't fit a mATX board.

>>60306267
No, you read my response wrong.

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>>60299654
I never actually had a "freesync" monitor but I also never had any problems with tearing so I can't say anything about that.

But what I can tell you is that you absolutely don't want to be paying $349.99 for a TN panel in 2017. Yes, I see it's got "Gaming" in the description and if you're one of those who think that means you should pay $200 more than it's worth for something then fine, go waste your money on that.

If you are going to do anything beyond playing video games on your computer ever then you should absolutely be buying a IPS or IPS-like panel like AHVA or AMVA. You can get something like the Lenovo L24q-10 which is 1440p and IPS for $260 (but it's just 60Hz, like most panels are).

If you're in doubt then just go to a store or something where you can see a IPS panel next to a TN panel and you'll quickly see that one will look good and one will have washed out colors and look like shit regardless of the word "gaming" being in their marketing propaganda.

>>60306267
no, because the monitor will have to scale up with 1080p image to fit on the greater pixels on the monitor. or you can play with black bars. I don't know what software you would use to do this but it should be possible to use higher-quality upscaling so the image doesn't look as bad, but you would take a performance hit and it might introduce lag, which would kind of defeat the purpose of playing at 1080p, unless you're playing an old game which has resolution limits.

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>>60306270
To me this really sounds like a PSU problem.

> use computer for years just fine
> build new computer
> re-purpose old computer to mining
> start GPU-miner and CPU-miner on old computer
> turns off after 5 minutes
> change to a PSU with a 150W higher rating
> just works

I doesn't have to be a PSU problem in your case but it probably is. And this could be the case even if it's rating appears to be high enough because it's also a question of heat. A (cheaper) PSU rated for say 500W could get so hot it just turns off after 5 minutes of a constant 400W load.

If this was my system then I would start by swapping the PSU to see if that's the cause and go from there.

>>60306407
Already did switch PSUs, same problem. I'm going to test a different graphics card after I'm done with a prime95 test on the CPU

>>60305817
Running ram outside of spec. Enjoy your instability for very little benefit.

>>60305964
On the contrary, I'm a professional builder. It is /g/ who values instability over reliability.

>>60306354
I mostly agree with this person.

Freesync is a nice extra when it hardly costs more. Like you can get a 75hz Freesync 1080p TN for $100-$120.
Paying $350 for a TN panel is retarded. Some GSync TN panels even cost $600.
$400-$550 for a Freesync 1440p 30-144hz IPS is okay-ish. It's a shame that 1440p didn't get more inventory to drive down prices, because 1080p is just garbage. TN is more garbage.

Will 1440p become the new standard or will it just jump straight to 4k do you think?

>>60300063
Just get a ryzen 1700 and spend a bit more on the board instead

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>>60299939

Want to make a plex media server and using it also for backup of photos

I was thinking about this:
CPU g4560
MOBO B250M bazooka
RAM 2x4GB ddr4 2400MHz
SSD 32GB (the cheaper one) only for the os
HDD 2TB for storing files
PSU 400-450W (don't know which one yet)

What do you think /g/?

>>60307388
get literally the cheapest mobo you can find that has a decent ethernet. Psu something gold rated might be worth if it's going to be running 24/7. Might also be worth getting a nice hdd like a wd black for reliability, stability.

I need a motherboard with a high as possible FSB bus speed. higher than 2400 MHz pls. Something that can utilize DDR4 Ram to the fullest or at least as close as possible.

>>60306990
>>60306095
what other motherboards did you have in mind?

I havent really seen anything better for mATX. i was looking at the msi b350 mortar but their bios interface is horrible

How do I know if a CPU will bottleneck a GPU or not?

>>60307931
GPU usage dropping

Does anyone think that 1440p will become more standard or will 4k just take straight over?

>>60308610
The price difference is a sure indicator. For monitors. TV's will be a slightly different issue. Coming down to power consumption.