/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

>>60245677
so did you get your laptop back?

>tfw no x270 with i7-7Y75 yet
will it ever be a thing ?
only shit I'd buy tight now and I need a new laptop

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>>60245690
Don't forget:

If you want to hardmod, X230/T430 is objectively better.

If you like the new style but want to keep the trackpad and can swap it out, T440p is objectively better, T440 is better for dual core.

X240 is kinda shit unless you really want more battery.

>>60245690
What's are the easiest and best versions to get of the T and X series that have full HD 1080?

Reposting

Getting real fucking tired of lugging around my T540p every day and want to get a 14 incher like the T470. Is now a good time to upgrade?

>>60245916
I dont know, what was that retro thinkpad they were going to release, is that a meme

>>60245935
Yeah, I'm kind of waiting on that, but I also have an overseas trip coming up and I'd really like to have a smaller laptop by then.

>>60245965
I've been lurking on reddit and some other forums and the general consensus is that it won't be announced (if it ever does) until the 25th anniversary which isn't until June or November

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Is this good?

>>60246075
that would be very good for a T61

but would be very bad for an X260

>>60245799
what hard mods for the x230 are you suggesting?

>>60246105
X230 has the keyboard and wlan flash mod (which also enables advanced bios settings), everything else is already superior.

>>60246096
I'm on an x230 with a 9 cell battery.

>>60246127
What is this wlan flash mod? Google has nothing.

>>60246185
The reason memers keep recommending the x220/t420 over the t430 is the keyboard and that you can install an ac network card with softmodding (no taking the laptop apart).

If you're not lazy / a moron, you can take the laptop apart and use hardware to achieve these things and end up with a better system.

I currently have a fully loaded T460P......Is the T470P worth the upgrade? Costs about the same as my 460 when I used the perks code.

Would I notice much improvement with the faster SSD in the 470?

>>60245799
Can I libreboot T440? Does it come with Intel Remote Management Engine?

>>60246225
What's an ac network card?

>>60246233
probably not

>>60246139
you should be able to get near 10 hours at idle

Why not use a different OP once in a while? It's fun.

>>60246264
No, but I think that's extreme cherry picking. How many people in this thread run libreboot for reasons other than to meme?

For libreboot, currently you can't use x220/t420 either. You're stuck with x200/t400.

>>60246319
Isn't it around 20 hours?

>>60246264
>>60246412
To add on, coreboot runs on x230 and t430s (not t430 oddly).

You can remove the same amount of Intel ME from either generation (disabled but manifest/sig still exists - ie non functional but "still there" if you're going to be autistic).

What's standard procedure when you see another thinkpad user in the wild?

>>60246468
touch dicks and kiss tenderly

>>60246282
a wifi card that has a higher speed
only useful if you do lots of file transfers on your internal network or have gigabit internet

>>60246468
massage their testes

>>60246439
that would be a bit generous for a 5 year old battery

>>60245690
what should I go for
>T520
>T530 with T520 keyboard

My X220 keyboard's lights aren't working (the power button, caps lock, mute etc) but can still be used, anyone know of this issue, it's driving me mad

Should I cop this x230?
http://m.bestbuy.ca/defaultpage.aspx?lang=en#/catalog/productdetails.aspx?ajax=true&lang=en-ca&pcname=&sku=10453840

Or t420?
http://m.bestbuy.ca/defaultpage.aspx?lang=en#/catalog/productdetails.aspx?ajax=true&lang=en-ca&pcname=&sku=10589429

It'll be my first ThinkPad and plan to install Linux on it

>>60246581
T530 with T520 keyboard

what's the best way to clean the trackpoint? i was thinking soap and water (after removing it, of course)

>>60246601
what OS?

>>60246613
neither for those prices

>>60246613
Cop

>>60246613
I mean it does come with one year warranty


Would I feel better buying one for cheap without some sort gurantee it won't shut the bed in a month

>>60246674
> Cop
Which one?

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>>60245690
I have new T420, I say new because it is mint condition.
CPU temperature is ~40C when coding, ~45 when on web and 50-55 when watching video.
Given that it is 32nm CPU(2520) is that good?

Post your tpfancontrol settings, my are

Level=40 1
Level=45 2
Level=51 4
Level=55 5
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Level=70 7
Level=80 64

>>60246613

>Those prices
god no.

Check the wiki. For an X220 you should only be paying up to $250 dollars for any model. I personally bought a low specc'd, but good condition thinkpad and I'm going to upgrade everything (Ram, hdd->ssd, monitor) when I get the money and time.

>>60246743
That's Canada prices. I paid 400 for my x230

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>>60246628

>>60246762
nice try faggot but that is X220

>>60246758

I paid better than that in Europe. Was it an auction or a buy now?

>>60246788
Just a local computer shop.

>>60246638
Ubuntu, and am running TLP

T530 or T430? 530 has an option for a 1080p screen that isn't complete ass but I never see it mentioned here. Are there compatibility issues?

1080p W520 is an option but its a gen behind and it weighs a ton. I can't afford a 1080p W530.

Are there any working TouchPad drivers for Windows 10? Both my T420 and W520 TouchPad needs to be rubbed aggressively after waking. It's almost as slow as a cold boot when resuming from sleep.

>>60246233
You're going to lose 30 to 60% of it's value if you sell the T460p for a 3 to 10% performance increase of a 'better' laptop.

Are you going to ask this question when the T480p comes out?

>>60247324
T430 w/ M14x display!

>>60247641
>T430 w/ M14x display
Is it hard to do, or is it just plug in? I don't want to end up with a broken machine from day 1 anon.

>>60247711
Easy.
You just need a 900p cable.

>>60247798
The method on the wiki for the X1C screen looks not easy so unless it's different for the M14x one I'm not sure I'm interested

>>60246720
That is the single most cringe worthy picture I've seen in years

>>60247837
m14x panel is drop-in. no x1c-style modding needed

>>60248044
Do I still have to buy another cable? It bothers me that I can't find a guide for this mod by searching, only peoples results.

Whats wrong with x240? Its not much more money than x230.

>>60248073
You need a T420/30 with a 900p display already installed
if its 720p, then you need the cable.

Nevermind just get the T530

>>60248125
Well assuming I get one with a 1600x900 display stock it's drop in then? there are plenty of those on ebay

>>60248181
It's a drop in.

The cable swap is very easy if you're just going from HD to HD+. It's only the X1C/FHD mod that's a pain in the ass.

>>60245238
>TO PROTECT YOU AND YOUR FELLOW PASSENGERS
>NECESSARY SECURITY PRECAUTION
>TSA IS NOT LIABLE FOR DAMAGE
>WE APPRECIATE YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND COOPERATION

>>60248308
Alright. I'll probably get a T430 then.

It's not that I'm obsessed with the thinkpad look or anything, but I looked into the HP Elitebooks and Dell Latitudes and see so many comments on poor build quality or things failing. The Dells look flatout walmart tier with the exception of the Precision line and I've been burned by one of their consumer grade laptops in the past.

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how does /tpg/ feel about the new X1C

>>60248542
same shit in same form.

>>60246233
perk codes? I have a p50 but was considering upgrading to the p51 since the gpu is a lot more powerful but don't feel like dropping so much money on another computer so soon. How much are you saving with these perk codes?

>>60248574
Still better than shittier shit in shittier form (which has been the norm for new chinkpads in the recent years).

My friend has an OEM 9 cell battery for his T60 but it's shot

How long should he keep it charging to kickstart it up again?

>>60248598
The GPU is not a lot more powerful, and unless you shit money or plan to sell your P50 to fund the new laptop this is a retard tier idea.

Fuck

It seems my x230 has a bad charging circuit or something because I can't charge my battery. I've tried with 2 different replacements and one I had to return because it came with no charge.

The second one did but it's not charging at all despite saying 'plugged in, charging'

Apparently this is a pretty common issue for this shitbucket

Would anybody be interested in a full modification guide with pictures for the T430 and T440p?

The wiki seems sparse on certain processes/information and a lot of the same questions get repeated here. I've taken apart enough to know the layout of the machines by memory. I'm basically a ThinkPad autist this point.

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>>60248912
>be american battery
>get shot

>>60248598
There's a 15% discount on thinkpads for the month of May with a perk code. I don't remember it off the top of my head.

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>>60249009

>>60246233
If youre gonna buy the 470p I could buy the 460p off of you

How much are you willing to sell for?

Does anyone have a backup of the T/W500 whitelisted BIOS? The links are dead and I wanna get AC wifi.

>>60248981
Yes

>>60248921
The P50's quadro gpu is pretty much a 1050 which is a big step up from the p50's m2000m quadro which was like a 960m.

>>60249414
assuming you meant the p51, you're sadly wrong. it's just a 965m vs a 960m. the difference is minimal and it still blows.

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>>60246468
Use the /tpg/ countersign. If you get an incorrect response, deadly force is authorized since they're a normie/redditor.

wich distro for my x61

I'm seriously wondering your opinions on x240, already made me ask twice.

>>60249941
get a X260

>>60249941
>worse CPU performance than X230
>worse iGPU performance than X230
>1080p on a 12" screen is fucking retarded and so is scaling
>unusable garbage non-physical clit buttons
>volume control buttons removed for no reason
>electrically incompatible with the X220 keyboard as a result, unlike X230
It's shit. Rock bottom among main series Thinkpads.

Why do you guys like the t420 and the x220 so much? What are their pros and cons compared to other models?

>>60250433
they're the best thinkpads with a good keyboard out of the box
the x230 and t430 are better, but you need to replace they keyboard with the older keyboard

>>60245690
What is a well priced laptop, with a good keyboard for coding? I currently have the x220.

>>60250475
an x220 :^)

>>60250475
P70

>>60250490
the battery life is shit. I get 3hrs on one charge, which is not enough for one day at work. I could bring the charger, but honestly, I just want a good, lightwight laptop, with good battery life, a good keyboard, and a good screen.

>>60250536
>expects me to lug around a fucking 17in laptop with a shitlet keyboard

>>60249844
either Lubuntu or Xubuntu.

>>60250475
You can find decent priced p50 laptops these days. The 4k display models are still expensive though.

>>60250781
I'm looking for a non shitlet keyboard, but this looks nice.

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>>60248981
Okay I'll start a writeup sometime later this week.

I'll add T420 and the X series later down the road once I get my hands on some.

Currently, these are the mods I have that I'll do write ups on. Am I missing anything?

T430/X230
- Classic Keyboard
- BIOS Flash
- CPU Upgrade (T only)
- Heatsink Upgrade (T only)
- Screen/Cable Swap

T440p/X240
- Good Trackpad
- BIOS Flash (not necessary for AC WLAN cards but for Advanced Menu/Overclocking)
- CPU Upgrade (T only)
- Heatsink Upgrade (T only)
- Screen/Cable Swap

Sadly it seems the T440p is the end of the road for CPU upgrades of any kind in ThinkPads. Everything after is BGA soldered...

I want to get a mid to high end linux laptop. I have T540p & W520 thinkpads and they are alright but I need something with better performance and an hdmi port that will work with projectors.

What's the best high-end laptop for running linux right now, anyone doing this who can give a recommendation?

>>60251181
The Galago Pro 13 by System 76

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>>60249941
>less CPU performance but better efficiency
>finally an IPS 1080p option on the X2xx series
>clickpad disliked, but can be replaced with a $30 touchpad and PH001 philips screwdriver
>volume control buttons removed because they are fucking retarded on a non-multimedia machine in 2017
>backlit keyboard and slightly smaller width on backspace and enter keys
>removed the tablet variant for the x-series
>single channel memory, one RAM soldiered on and 1 upgradable slot
>Thinner machine now regarded as an ultrabook and not an ultraportable

The X240 has probably less performance than an X230, but still it is limited with its heat sink design anyways, so a i7 X230 was nothing to brag about compared to a quadcore i7 T430

Ultimately, i would get an X250 if it was $80 more than a X240

>>60251153
>I ended up getting an Acer Predator because it doesn't have a shitlet keyboard

>>60251181
Just putting it out there, laptops with DP and MiniDP support sound and you can always get a nifty little HDMI adapters for them.

>>60251319
I'm not looking for something huge, just something I can toss into my bag and go.

>>60251219
>The Galago Pro 13
Yeah, I've been considering the system76 laptops but want to see if I can get something used cheaper and make upgrades or if one of the recent thinkpads was a good target for linux so I could try to get one one ebay or craigslist. System76 may be the way to go though. I would definately want a 15 or 17 inch one though, and portability isn't really a big concern for me.

> believe the classic thinkpad keyboard meme
> buy x220 instead of x230
> discover vulkan is not supported for sandy bridge
> totally fucked because I need to use vulkan
thank you /g/

>>60251472
>SPI Flash CoreBoot with SeaBIOS
>Upgrade to an Ivy Bridge
>????
>PROFIT!

>>60251448
You could go with an XPS 15?

>>60251472
>be retarded
>don't do the research needed before buying something
>whaaaaa, oh woe is meee

>>60251498
isn't that only for the t420?

>>60251472
the x230 has classic keyboard support too, you fucking retard.

>>60251582
Oh right you have a BGA chip, and would have to desolder and resolder the chip.

Get fucked kiddo.

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>>60251472
How is it /g/'s fault that you bought something without even considering the system requirements you needed?

Are u the kind of dude who trades in the family car for a sports car?

>>60251630
>>60251595
>>60251580
I bought my x220 before vulkan even existed, how would I even predict I would need to program with it?

>>60251661
How would we know either? Quit being a faggot.

Where can I get stickers for my ThinkPad, like the intel ones, energy star and linux distro ones? Need to replace my old ones

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So I just bought a referbished Thinkpad Yoga s1 for $330

1920x1080 ips

180 gb ssd

i5 4300u 1.9 ghz

8gb ram

Touch screen

Backlit keyboard

>Did I fuck up?

>>60251826
my point is that the x230 is superior to the x220 (even the keyboard is a nonissue as >>60251595 said) so why do we keep recommending the x220?

>>60245690
Anyone know what size laptop sleeve an X220 with 9 cell fits?

>>60251833
https://unixstickers.com

>>60251860
Because in case you haven't noticed, /tpg/ is full to the brim with pisspants that can't operate a screwdriver.

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>replace my T430 keyboard with a T420 keyboard
>works like a charm but the right mouse button on the keyboard is slightly raised
>tfw can't unsee it and now it's bothering me

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>>60251860
Who is we, just because it is said on the OP?

I recommend the X230 and a few others recommend it as well.
You're the fucking idiot who said 'I don't want USB 3.0, better CPU, GPU performance, I want a shitty 6 row keyboard instead'.

A few years back, price was a determining factor too.
Logically, people buy newer equipment so that software and hardware can be better supported too.

Again, you disregarded factors over 'hey this laptop is better because muh keyboard feel'.

>>60251838
good deal for $330. I had an original Yoga with i7 and 256gb SSD I got for $500 used from Jerome a few years ago, and it was a solid machine for me for three years.

>>60251838
Good deal but shitty computer.

>>60251965
>Who is we, just because it is said on the OP?
Yeah.

>A few years back, price was a determining factor too.
This was actually what me personally get the x220 (and local availability)

you speak true facts otherwise. Why does the OP recommend the x220 then?

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>>60252018
Because the fucking retards starting these are jealous and want to keep "le superior xx20" meme alive. No one is falling for it anymore. I started an OP recommending x230/t430 and the t440p for hardmodders/people who don't need the classic keyboard, and then next few OPs just went back to the same OP that just recommends the xx20.

>>60248981
Do it and put it on the wiki for future reference.

>>60252077
The majority of buyers (yes, even on /g/) don't even care about the classic keyboard, coreboot memes, or putting in a new WLAN card. They're just blindly taking the OP recommendations and fucking themselves over.

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>>60251156
Are you pic related?

Do an overclocking guide too

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>>60251963
You ran use the T430's trackpoint buttons onto the T420's.
>pic related
I had done this on a T520 and it worked, however I did needed to raise the buttons a bit so I applied a piece of paper between the key and contact. Not sure if you need to do that on your T430, hope it helps.

>>60251838
Very nice price for FHD.

>>60251993
Subjective

>>60252018
Well... not all of us have them.
I think X220 and T420 are recommended because they can use 3rd party batteries (despite most of /g/ saying they blow up, they fucking don't) and the older keyboard layout

It is literally a pissing contest here about the chicklet keyboard, it is fucking stupid, they are just echoing what Rossman says (who seems to only focus on fixing macbooks while talking how shitty they are).

I mean the IPS T60p was still recommended when the T430 came out.
Even then, people recommended putting a T61 mobo on that. AND they would say 'lol ur gpu is going to burn out' or "eww why did you get shitty intel graphics and not a dGPU built after 08/08?"

>>60252077
I figured it was just copy and pasted.
I think it took me 5 posts on /tpg/ on each new topic when I shilled my dankpads site.

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>>60252119
Yes I am. The BIOS mod unlocks TDP and some clocks options on the QM CPUs, and combined with ThrottleStop you can keep Turbo Boost on forever AND go from 3.8GHz to 4.2GHz.

With an XM CPU the BIOS flash lets you OC as high as 5GHz, but that's only doable on the W530 without cashing in your home insurance.

>>60251838
I really want a Yoga just for the FHD IPS+ slim thin design and tablet mode but I can't seem to find any decently priced. I expected them to be cheaper by now.

>>60252150
Do a guide of your mods and put it on thinkwiki or the installgentoo wiki (or both maybe) pls

>>60252148
>I think X220 and T420 are recommended because they can use 3rd party batteries

Two things:
1. You CAN use third party batteries. I've tested 6 different ones on a stock T430. They ALL worked with no error. Whatever DRM Lenovo had back when these first came out has been LONG broken.
2. Third party batteries suck utter horse shit and out of all the ones I tried, none had over 94Wh (9-cell)

>It is literally a pissing contest here about the chicklet keyboard, it is fucking stupid, they are just echoing what Rossman says
Rossman *LIKES* the chicklet keyboard. He hates the loss of the 7th button row, but he says he likes the new keyboard overall.

>>60252274
err, none had over 80Wh, with the Lenovo OEM ones being 94Wh**

>>60252274

It's just autism.

Honestly I hate the layout on the t430, I think it was perfect before. But about the feel is just pure autism, ALPS keyboards on the **20 were super crap.

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>>60252274
I know its anecdotal but I've personally had good results with third party
But some die sooner than expected, but realistically I saved $100 and they died after the 2 year warranty expired, oh well.

I think its good the third party factories found a way to break that EC lock.

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I feel like I just committed a robbery...

My next mod project was going to be a T440p with a 4910QM, but this was listed for $190 BIN... what a retard.

The T440p goes for ~$250 regularly, and the W540 which is IDENTICAL except for the GPU (which I don't need) goes for $400+.

So looks like I'm overclocking a 4940XM in this baby, swapping out the touchpad, and throwing in a 1TB SSD and 16GB of RAM.

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>>60253263
Oh yeah, and a fucking 3K IPS display!

>>60245690
My current desktop workstation died on me and I'm using T420 that I bought for fun for actual work with an old external monitor I found around my house.

I was planning to buy a docking station and use 2 x monitors with it.

My question is if it would kill the poor bastard if I would use this setup for a longer period?

Some info about the device:

System:    Host: T420 Kernel: 4.10.13-1-ARCH x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.9.5 Distro: Antergos Linux
Machine:   Device: laptop System: LENOVO product: 42363E1 v: ThinkPad T420
           Mobo: LENOVO model: 42363E1 UEFI [Legacy]: LENOVO v: 83ET79WW (1.49 ) date: 09/05/2016
Battery    BAT0: charge: 15.4 Wh 100.3% condition: 15.4/47.5 Wh (32%)
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5-2520M (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB 
           clock speeds: max: 3200 MHz 1: 799 MHz 2: 799 MHz 3: 807 MHz 4: 805 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.3 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: [email protected], [email protected]
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.0.5
Audio:     Card Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.10.13-1-ARCH
Network:   Card-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
           IF: enp0s25 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] driver: iwlwifi
           IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (23.0% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST9500423AS size: 500.1GB
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 45.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 3230
Info:      Processes: 188 Uptime: 5:10 Memory: 2767.9/7870.7MB Client: Shell (zsh) inxi: 2.3.8 

Is the X220 still a decent buy in 2017 if I want a daily driver that's reasonably portable with an acceptable battery life? I'm mainly going to be using it for web browsing and web dev. I've also considered the T420 but that might not be portable enough - still unsure, however. What do?

>>60253668
Why not x230 with keyboard mod?

>>60248542
soldered RAM fucking sucks
but i might be checking it out since everything else close to it sucks even more

>>60253302
>Some info about the device:
What program did output that info?

>>60253691
I'm also open to that. What's the advantage?

Are x201 considered doorstops these days?

>>60253746
Newer parts, obviously. Why wouldn't you want an x230? If you want the keyboard, just swap it in. Takes 10 minutes.

>>60253740
inxi

>>60253783
Nice. Thank you.

Just got an X1 Carbon as a work computer. Can someone explain why /g/ likes Thinkpads that much? One of the keys pops loose and I've only used the machine for about a week. Plus, I really dislike the touchpad, although to be fair I don't really like most laptop's touchpads. It certainly isn't the worst laptop I've ever used, but I'm not seeing the hype yet.

T420 user here. Currently using a 240GB SSD as the default drive. Can I put a msata drive as a secondary drive, like using a SD card?

>>60253263
>>60253274
wow fuck you

>>60253874
the x1 carbon is chinknovo trash

>>60253897
theres an msata port next to the ram

>>60253836
You're welcome.

>>60245740
fucking ridiculous

>>60245831
>X series that have full HD 1080
good luck

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Why are you morons buying anything except X62 or T70 at this point?

>>60254721
because it's all Gook trash at this point
Not buying a boards from some chink that throws them together and doesn't offer a proper western facing market

Did the T70 board even get finished?

>>60254721
>T50 is clearly a T43p
>T70 is clearly a T60
What are these chink mods

Are T500s any good?

>>60254766
The T50 was a T4x upgrade that updated it to a Nehalem i7. It was their first effort and wasn't particularly well-received. The X62 put Broadwell in an X61 body, complete with a 1400x1050 IPS screen modded in and the custom screen bezel you can see in the picture. From what I've heard, it's of much higher quality, although I don't know if you can get one anymore. The T70 is still in progress last I'd heard, and plans to put either Skylake or Kaby Lake in the 4:3 T6x models.

>>60254721
Man, I love my Thinkpad but their screens are utter shit.

What is a good price for a used x230 on good condition in USD??

>>60253836
>Nice. Thank you.
>>60253995
>wow fuck you

4chinz is like a box of chocolates, you never know what kind of reply you're gonna get.

How much could I sell a T520 with 8GB RAM and 1080p display (the wide gamut one) for?

>>60254874
I assume there's IME on board on all these?

>>60255097
200 bux? Dunno, just guessing.

Why does music sound noticeably worse out of my T420 than my Oneplus One (same earphones and audio files)? Do thinkpads have especially bad DACs/amps or something? I have no EQ applied to either device.

>>60255115
>>60255097
The last one sold for $200 exactly, good guess.

>>60255176
Really even with the 1080p display. That's pretty lousy, guess I'll just keep it then.

>>60255100
No idea. Probably?

>>60255200
Yeah I'd hang on to it. It surprised me too since 1080p T530 go for quite a bit more

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Any other Japan anons that have some tips for purchasing something like an x220 domestically ? Craigslist/yahoo auctions/rakuten are garbage and retail stores are far too expensive

I miss gumtree/ebay

>>60254756
Yeah, it's out now. They actually beat Lenovo on the Kaby Lake quad release.

If it's too challenging for you to buy something internationally, that sounds like a personal problem.

T430 seeking anon from earlier in the thread. Do I want one of these fuckers with the Nvidia graphics or is Intel fine? Going to be using linux 95% of the time if not 100%. I don't know how Nvidia drivers are in linux since I'm an AMD guy.

>>60255325
>that sounds like a personal problem
no, trusting some random gook with gook qc boards is not a personal problem, I assure you. I don't really buy garbage that doesn't attempt to have proper market channels to the largest western market in the world. I rather just throw my money down the shitter myself and save time dealing with random middlemen

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My T420 came in the mail a few days ago. Pic related is a screenshot for another imageboard a couple hours ago.

I paid $140 including shipping.

>>60255416
>whom@stdve
kek

Anon why are you reading nearly year old posts?

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>>60255435

I discovered Sushichan recently, and quite like it.

The only downside to it, like any other reasonably decent imageboard, is that it's incredibly slow.

>>60255174

I second this. I'm on a T420, except my phone does have an EQ. Regardless if the EQ on either device is on or not, or which audio file it is, the same headphones sound like fucking shit on my T420.

>>60255447
If you hate yourself there's always lainchan. Some of the special snowflake shitter mods ran away and made their own board.

Though I wouldn't blame you for not wanting to join a tech board that's most recent backup was 8 months old until a few weeks ago.

>>60255492

I only lurk Lainchan occasionally. I never post. I've known one of the mods there for a couple of years, he's a literal 14 year old kid.

Kalyx and Appleman are both fucking idiots.

>>60255531
Kalyx was responsible for deleting the entire site about a month ago during his autistic fit and that's when they all found out no one was actually making backups. I know a mod there too, he's 25 though. Junk and them are gone though, and made lainchan.jp. Not sure if that's even still up.

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>>60255553

Lainchan.jp is still up, and it's pretty decent. I prefer it over OG Lainchan.

It blows my mind that Appleman didn't think to make backups.

Wasn't the story that he was storing backups on the same drive that was wiped or something? IIRC it was a stupid mistake.

Appleman's idiocy and Kalyx' autism resulted in the perfect storm.

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Working on writing some of the T430 modding/overclocking guides.

Does anyone here have a QM/MQ chip (can be T420 or T440p as well)?

I need someone to test ThrottleStop and see what settings they have access to when they click "TRL" and "TPL" in the interface.

For machines with a locked MSR 0x194, register most options, including the multiplier, should be locked.

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>>60255586
> being a .jp shill

gtfo traitor.

kalyx lied to appleman about the backups. His big issue was trusting that fag and not verifying it himself.

.org is better though now that all the attention whores are gone ggwp

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>>60253274
Get the 3K cable and lid, the 3K display is a slightly different size than the HD and FHD models

>buy two new batteries from different vendors
>both listed as 5200mAh, 11.1v, 58Wh (58,000mWh)
>check them out today

Hardware monitor Battery
Voltage 0 11.98 Volts [0x2ECD] (Current Voltage)
Capacity 0 44000 mWh [0xABE0] (Designed Capacity)
Capacity 1 41120 mWh [0xA0A0] (Full Charge Capacity)
Capacity 2 28360 mWh [0x6EC8] (Current Capacity)
Level 0 7 pc [0x5D] (Wear Level)
Level 1 69 pc [0x44] (Charge Level)
MANUFACTURER JingYi


Hardware monitor Battery
Voltage 0 11.57 Volts [0x2D33] (Current Voltage)
Capacity 0 48840 mWh [0xBEC8] (Designed Capacity)
Capacity 1 48760 mWh [0xBE78] (Full Charge Capacity)
Capacity 2 25480 mWh [0x6388] (Current Capacity)
Level 0 1 pc [0x63] (Wear Level)
Level 1 52 pc [0x34] (Charge Level)
MANUFACTURER SANYO

Is this pure chinking or is this kind of variation between the sold design and actual design capacity normal. The thing that shits me is I paid slightly extra for 11.1v 5200mAh when I could have gotten 11.1v 4400mAh and that should have been 48Wh just like these are.

tl;dr Ordered batteries with 58Wh, got ones with 48Wh and 41Wh. How badly should I complain?

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>>60253874
Didn't have that problem on my computer!
You essentially got the macbook air when everyone else loves macbook pros.

>>60245831
>easiest
T450p
>best
T601p

>>60254966
Almost all these mods use the 4:3 FlexView AFFS screens. Definitely not shit.

>>60254756
there are chinks and then there are chinks. the chinamen at 51nb hate lenovo more than anyone here-- enough to diy their own motherboards to keep the original IBM designs going.

>>60255938
>You essentially got the macbook air when everyone else loves macbook pros.
What a strange analogy. For every one macbook pro I see on campus I see 10 macbook airs.

Is the mouseclit a meme? How do you guys use it? Seems more natural to scroll + tap on the touchpad.

>>60255992
Index on the clit, thumb on the buttons. Disable the touchpad for a week and you'll get it.

>>60255938
source on that trackpad sticker?

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>>60255992
Oh yeah, and pick up a variety pack of caps from ebay so you can try the different styles. Soft rim made me a believer, although I find the classic dome more fitting for my trackpad-free X201s.

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>>60254966
Stop getting bad panels, Anon.

>>60254721
The last toy is a 2012 Mac Pro.
I haven't bought it yet, but I might get it for free from my boss. <3

>>60255992
I'll use a mouse if I'm doing anything that doesn't need typing much.
otherwise trackpoint.

>>60256018
It is just vinyl wrap that was cut and then cut again after application.

>>60256074
>lenovo logo on the left
Nice buy anon, are you going to do the AFFS mod or keep it at that?

>>60256154
Nah, I'm sticking with the stock 1440x900 panel. If I could have both, I totally would, but I'm not going to drop to 1280x800. I've got a UXGA T601F and 1080p W520 for when I want good panels.

>>60256154
>It is just vinyl wrap that was cut and then cut again after application.
The trackpad is totally usable like this?

>>60255882
Yeah, I read about that already. I thought it was just the 768p lid that was different?

I knew about the cables.

>>60250538
get a new battery you double nigger

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>>60256230
Yes.
T420 has a trackpad sticker on it
It can be removed and it still works
I even had the vinyl on my W700ds and it still worked with the digitizer
>https://imgur.com/a/I4J8a

>>60256281
the 3K panel is 15.5" while the HD and FHD displays are 15.6"

>>60250538
Why can't you use AC at work?
Also you could always get a few batteries for a 'full day of work'

Does linux get better performance/battery life than windows on an x230?
I need MS office and onedrive for work, is there any way to get them going on linux or would I need to use windows?

What OS are the folk here using?

Should I spend the extra money for a T430 with Nvidia graphics or are the regular intel graphics fine?

Any differences between an M14x panel and a generic 1600x900 panel for a T430?

>>60245690
>Recommended models:
>T420 - 14", normal size
Can't find this tbH, only T470.

>>60257594
ebay

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>this trigger x220/x230 sissies
kek

>>60253874
/g/ hates the X1 Carbon
Try using a T420/T430 or a T60
Or maybe something from the X line

>>60257835
Which thinkpad?

>>60257956
>motherboard
>Hewlett-Packard
>which thinkpad
You don't have this reading thing down really well do you?

>>60258086
Which thinkpad uses an HP motherboard?

>>60258127
Anon... I

How difficult is it to swap out the screen for a 1080 one on a T420 for someone who is half retarded?

>>60256330
so you identify as male or female this year?

>>60258174
As hard as it is to source the parts. Pretty easy after that as long you have instructions

>>60258127
No thinkpad uses hp motherboards

>>60258219
>>60258144
Ah, so they modded it themselves then.

>>60258219
How come his has an HP motherboard?

>>60255886
So is this worth getting refunds for, /tpg/?

>>60258236
>>60258232
This is either very sad or some top notch bait
It's an elitebook. Probably a 2570p or something since he's saying x220/x230

>>60258236
>>60258232
Most laptops have self branded motherboards

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>>60257835
DELET!!!

>>60258260
I don't think so. This is a thinkpad thread. Why would you post an elitebook in here?

>>60258270
So he put an HP motherboard in his thinkpad himself?

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>>60258195
I'm obviously a male 95% of the time, for the 5% I crossdress, I am just a crossdresser.

Though if some miraculous reason, if I could be a trap, I would. But I'm not a force pronouns otherkin faggot.
>pic related, when I last looked good :(

>>60258127
Uhhhh

>>60258232
Wait. Are you serious?

>>60258251
It's worth having buyer's remorse.

Did you charge them correctly on the first use?

>>60257835
The 2570p I have came across runs pretty damn hot.
Although I like the build design and socketed GPU, an i7 for this machine is too much... would be much better with an 8770W.

>switched back to wangblows 7 on t420s
>battery life with lenovo battery management goes from an hour and a half to 5-6 hours

good battery management for linux when? And don't say TLP because even with a damn good config it doesn't do shit

>>60258303
To make this i7-3740qm work without throttling during full load I had to buy myself a copper 1mm thick plate and cut it to fit the heatsink.
Also had to mod the heatpipe a little bit. Now it handles this cpu just fine.

>>60258290
>I don't think so. This is a thinkpad thread. Why would you post an elitebook in here?

>Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).

>>60258303
>when I last looked good
I think you look much better in your newer videos. Being too skinny isn't healthy either.

>>60258303
Do you like dick?

>>60258303
Why are you doing this to yourself, James?
Please stop.

>>60258362
That line's ironic. Other business laptops aren't actually welcome here.

>>60258405
here is your (You), human trash.

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>>60258405
your mum was ironic when she conceived you lol

>>60258416
>>60258428
Sorry, but you can't keep posting here unless you have or want a thinkpad.

>>60258453
You're the last person in this universe who is going to tell us what we can post here.
Heh, also the last person who is being taken seriously on this site. Kill yourself, shitpai~

>>60258469
That's the last post you're making in this thread. Hope it was worth it. Bye bye now

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>>60258476
kek.

>>60258303
Tripfag pls go.

>>60258505
>Doesn't know about the original dankpad thinktrap
No fuck you, saucey can stay.

T420 stands for toke 420 (weed)

>>60258303
>Did you charge them correctly on the first use?
What is the correct way to charge them?

>>60256074
>201
Is the fingerprint reader considered a botnet device to be avoided?

OVENPAD Chronicles III
>On the Previous episode: After buying a x220 an cheching it, Paellanon finds out his Thinkpad is an oven. Asking on /tpg/ for advice, Paellanon was asked to change the thermal paste and clean the fan. B-b-but Paellanon never did than before, So he thought in taking the laptop to a repair service. /Tpg/ made fun of him.

Now. After 3 hours of patience, 2 different video tutorials (one of them in Nintendish) I did it. People, my thinkpad keeps and basic use about 75ºC (which is a really great improv since it was reaching 93º in idle).
Thanks /tpg/!
Next step: Linux Mint balls deep!

So I want to get a used t440 for university and I'm afraid it might be too loud for classes and/or the library.
Does anyone know how loud the fan/ the keyboard is?

>>60245690
On a Mini Dock Series 3 Type 4337 using T420 can I get a decent resolution on a VGA port? Forcing the mode with xrandr is not a problem as I did the same now without the dock to force the correct resolution and refresh rate on the external display connected directly to T420's VGA port.

Would appreciate a reply as I'm currently contacting multiple sellers within my city.

>>60259261
You have fan control and don't smash your keyboard.

Problem solved?

>>60259241
75°C is still pretty high if you ask me man. My x220 never goes over 60. Clean the fan too, and make sure nothing is blocking the exhaust.

>>60255886
I'd return them if I were you.
How much did you pay? And how many hours of battery life are you getting on what model?

>upgrade T430's CPU to an i7-3720QM
>idle temps are around 50-55°C
>with Nvidia card disabled, idle temperature is around 40-50°C
>under normal use, temps are 50-75°C (usually temps are a few degrees lower in Linux than in Windows)
>if playing a game, temps are 75-95°C, with a few spikes higher

Aside from gaming, how do these temps look? On my desktop, I'm used to normal use temps below 50°C and higher load temps of 60-70°C.

>>60259960
That's basically what you'd expect, you can disable turboboost if you want to play vidya, that'll keep max temp under 85 degrees.

>recommended models
>not T400
>not X200

>>60260127
>recommending cumstained shitpads
>ever
why.jpg

>>60260127
I dont like the t400 that much personally although its a really good machine
the x200 is just one of the greatest things ever

>>60260127
X201 > X200

>>60260236
Why would you pick a x201 over a x200?

Why is there so little about the X300?

>>60260276
Because it's basically the same thing except it's got a Core i CPU.

>>60260305
>basically the same
x201 isnt librebootable
x200 Is recommended because of how free you can make it

>>60260368
>free
oh that's what it's about. OK then let me put it this way:
it's basically the same thing but less autistic. grow up.

Between a X220, X230, T410, T420 and T420S, which is the better choice for a long lasting battery?

>>60260452
Nothing that has an S in the name. These only support small batteries. The other ones are more or less the same, depending on hardware specs.

>>60260452
x230 most likely.

>>60260427
leave my autism out of htis

>>60260468
>>60260477
how big of a difference are we talking in hours between slim versions and their regular version?

how much better is the x230 compared to a t420 or t420s?

>>60260549
The slim versions only get 3 cell batteries. These are good for a maximum of 3 hours if they're new. The other ones get up to 9 cells which make for up to 9 hours from my experience. The X series laptops also have an option for a slice battery that can be combined with the 9 cell. It makes the laptop considerably bulkier but with 9 cell plus slice 21 hours are possible.

>>60260427
>literally every thinkpad with an i-series CPU has a backdoor in it that is currently vulnerable to attacks with firmware patches not coming until June
>hurr freetard autism
consider suicide

>>60258303
>xsa
yo xsauc, do you have any pictures of your s70 next to a x5xx or t4xxs? I'm thinking of getting an x301 and I want to know whether to get that or a more capable but worse looking latitude e4300

Hello ! I'm new here. I got a new job and I'm moving soon, I was thinking about getting a new laptop.
Budget: 800 +- 200 €
Location: Currently : Europe, soon : Philippines
Size: I don't mind as long as it isn't fuckhuge.
Performance:
I will mainly do code (lots of compiling) , audio editing (I use reaper and FL studio) 3D modeling (blender) for my job.
I really don't play recent games; I would like to be able to run Dolphin and play oldish games like Dark Souls /Dragon's Dogma at max fps without it overheating.
Other requirements:
I'll use a mic and a MIDI keyboard with it and would like an ethernet port.

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>>60261311

>>60261311
This shit again.
>muh Core2
>muh insane temps
>muh prehistoric performance
>start menu takes 10 seconds to open
>"well it's what I go through to maintain my freedom"
>vape

>>60261388
>>60261451
You people are fucking retarded. Intel themselves put out a pdf for short-term solutions to the gaping fucking hole that's affecting every CPU with AMT from the past seven years. Why don't you use Windows XP with Internet Explorer 6 while you're at it, since you love security holes so much.

>>60260145
>not wanting free cum
fag

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>>60261311
>He's a freetard
>But he's too fucking stupid to do a 5 minute SPI flash and would rather use hardware that's 4 further generations behind

>>60261508
>>60261311
hardware vulnerability is a fucking meme. no one is EVER going to exploit anything but OS and software backdoors on private computers. actually, no one will ever exploit a private computer if the user is not a fucking retard. don't browse darknet CP sites you stupid nigger. that's all free software is good for anyways.

>>60261508
Fucking idiot. Use a script blocker and don't visit websites you don't trust. That's all it takes to stay malware and hacker free.

Is X250 good?

>>60262189
I like it a lot. As long as you stay away from 40 series you'll be fine. X260 is better though. Haven't had a chance to get my hands on an X270 but judging from the T470 it's probably pretty amazing. The 70 series is what ThinkPads should have been all for those years after Lenovo took over.

guys this is very serious and possibly unbelievable for some of you
I have been living without a computer at all since January
reason was mainly no money, like literally no money at all
but finally I'm able to afford something shitty and since I've been lurking this hell prior for nearly a decade now, I know about ThinkPads
so since my life is fucking insane, I want a quick answer and I just can't spnd days researching like I used to when I was bulding my first PC roughly 2 decades ago
are t420 an ok choice for now? how long are they going to last, lurking and streaming considered?
thank you

>>60262270
I didn't know there's a X260 and X270, thanks. Is the keyboard as bad as they say?

>>60262293
>I didn't know there's a X260 and X270
There's a new series every year and a half roughly.
>Is the keyboard as bad as they say?
The keyboard is great. Most of the criticism towards the new keyboard is about the layout which is, admittedly, not as good as on the old models. But aside from that it feels exactly the same as it did on the 20 series or before that.

>>60262332
>it feels the same

I have both keyboards side by side right now, and this is an outright lie.

what linux distro should I run on the t420?

>>60262356
Maybe you got a shit manufacturer on one of them. The whole construction is EXACTLY the same. There is literally no difference. I got a T400, an X220 an X230 and an X260 and they all feel the same.

>>60262276
a t420 will easily last a few more years, even more comfortably if it has an ssd

>>60262378
No they don't. I have multiple T430s and two with xx20 keyboards.

>>60262395
what leads you to believe this?

>>60262395
I've had at least one ThinkPad from every generation since T60 and I can assure you, you can tell different keyboard manufacturers apart, but not generations. The only things Lenovo changed with the new keyboard were the shape of the keycaps and the layout. The rubber dome and plastic parts underneath the keycap remained 100% unchanged.

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>>60262495
>the shapes changed
>they feel the same

>>60262515
The feel is about how it responds when you press the key down. Learn some basic stuff about keyboards. The tactile feedback.

>>60262549
No, that's actuation force and travel. "Feel" is not a technical term. Fuck off.

>>60262515
Dude, he didn't say the keelcaps feel the same. He said the action of the keyboard is the same. Which is true btw. Besides, the keycaps feel pretty much the same too. Still basic plastic. Shape doesn't really matter. You don't press down on the spaces in between the keys, do you?

>>60262567
Autismus maximus. We're not talking in technical terms here. Neither do journalists or anyone whose job it is to test and rate new laptops for the general populace. Besides, you're very well capable of "feeling" actuation force and travel. If you weren't they wouldn't make a difference.

>>60262636
>keelcaps
wtf did I do?

>>60262636
Now we're splitting hairs over what feels means. Sure, construction is the same. I like the layout and the physical top layer more than the new keyboards.

New Thread
>>60263037
migrate when ready

>>60245690

T400 or T410, what model is more A E S T H E T H I C?

>>60262373
Whichever one you want, they all work

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Been running this T520 since early 2012. It's had to have two hard drives replaced, a keyboard, and had RAM bumped up from 6 gb to 8 gb. I've rrad varying sources on what max RAM is, some saying 16 and others saying 8. It has the i7 2640m at 2.8 ghz, any advice on what max RAM is for the system and how to overclock the cpu?

>>60258361
Nice. Must of been fun.

>>60258374
Thanks anon <3

>>60258381
Only girl cock :0

>>60259022
usually a full charge, deplete, then full again. But some battery manuals say otherwise.

>>60260292
What do you want to know?
It is an successor to the ThinkPad Reserve Edition, which that was essentially a leather bound X61s

>>60260549
Ivy Bridge has better battery life and possibly better processing
HD4000 graphics is a significant upgrade to HD3000, so much so that some disregard nVidia 14" laptops.

>>60261353
Just get an E4310 :P

>>60263051
>goddamnit

is getting an X1 Carbon and Thunderbolt 3 enclosure a way to have a portable laptop that I can come home and Gayme on, or is there a more cost effective way?

>>60265787
The T470 is probably cheaper.
I get the sense that Thinkpads aren't as popular with eGPU gamers because they don't have a quad core model with TB3 that doesn't have workstation pricing.

>>60263587
its a workstation so 16gb at least